Boxing Books - What's the Best ?

[Da_Hurricane_Briggs]

I am looking at asking " Santa" for some boxing books for xmas , ive had a look and there are odd one's here and there , but was wondering if there was any particular ones ppl might reccomend.

ive got the following in my collection - autobiography;s on Briggs , Green , Hatton , Fenech , Tzsyu & Mundine .

Im interested in Calzaghe's autobiography but can only find it on ebay ..has anyone seen it in stores . Also im looking for a copy of The 16th Round by Ruben Carter ..no luck on amazon or ebay , any ideas.

I no Oscar has a new book , there is a holyfield one around also , anyone read these or ..anyone know of any others that may be worth getting ???

[Rise Above]

I have bought alot of good boxing books in the last year or so.

Four Kings by George Kimball is the story of Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran. It gives an overview of their careers and their famous fights against each other.

Fighters By Trade by Robert Drane is a collection of stories on Australian boxing history. It starts way back in the bareknuckle era and goes right through to todays fighters.

Ringside by Budd Schulberg is a collection of short stories of boxing reportage. It includes chapters on boxers such as Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Arturo Gatti, Muhammed Ali, Rocky Marcano, Mike Tyson, Felix Trinidad and quite a few more.

These are three of the better books I have read this year, well worth buying. :good

[Robot16]

I started the jesus chavez one.

Also there was one about outback tent boxing too in australia but i cant remember the title

[Rise Above]

I started the jesus chavez one.

Also there was one about outback tent boxing too in australia but i cant remember the title

I have been eyeing off that Jesus Chavez one in Borders. Any good so far Robot ?

[Robot16]

I have been eyeing off that Jesus Chavez one in Borders. Any good so far Robot ?

Yeah thats where i grabbed it from.
So far it is good.
Talks how his family went to america and he found the gym.

Stopped reading it before exams but need to start again

[Rise Above]

Pay day tomorrow, I think I might pick it up. Either that one or the Angelo Dundee one I've also been looking at.

Borders is great for buying books as they seem to have alot better range than most other places.

[Marcus]

I heard the current issue of International Kickboxer has me on the back, send me a copy and ill sign it for you.....$399.

[Robot16]

Pay day tomorrow, I think I might pick it up. Either that one or the Angelo Dundee one I've also been looking at.

Borders is great for buying books as they seem to have alot better range than most other places.

Yeah they have a good range there, i want the dundee one too, also the arthur mercante one and mickey ward one.

One i want to read though is the Roberto Duran one


I heard the current issue of International Kickboxer has me on the back, send me a copy and ill sign it for you.....$399.

Haha who's on the back?
I havnt bought it since ,y subscription ran out a few months ago

[Rise Above]

I heard the current issue of International Kickboxer has me on the back, send me a copy and ill sign it for you.....$399.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

I didnt know they advertised disabled kickboxing. :nut

[Rise Above]

One i want to read though is the Roberto Duran one



Hands Of Stone ?

[Robot16]

Hands Of Stone ?

Yeah that one, i need to open up an amazon account.

does anyone here get good books off ebay?

[Marcus]

Im on the back.....its a little ad,

shut up Guys Above

[Rise Above]

Im on the back.....its a little ad,

shut up Guys Above


:lol::lol:


How'd you end up getting on there ?

[Marcus]

its a ad for my muay trainers new gym, i was goin full time when the pic was taken, like 8 years ago.... i guess he doesnt take many picture.

[Robot16]

its a ad for my muay trainers new gym, i was goin full time when the pic was taken, like 8 years ago.... i guess he doesnt take many picture.

:lol:

Did you have any fights marcus?

[Marcus]

:lol:

Did you have any fights marcus?

no real muay thai fights, just a crappy freestyle stand up comp.

but im in training now, and id still like to test myself if my trainer got me a fight.

[Kegsy]

Teddy Atlas's book is classic & i really enjoyed it.
How much of it thats true tho, is up to an individuals opinion.

The part against the triads is particularly awesome reading.

[Robot16]

no real muay thai fights, just a crappy freestyle stand up comp.

but im in training now, and id still like to test myself if my trainer got me a fight.

Ok thats good mate.
Same i used to train only a couple of tiems a week when i was in high school, when we'd spar most of the time id "forget" my shin pads so we'd only box:D

Teddy Atlas's book is classic & i really enjoyed it.
How much of it thats true tho, is up to an individuals opinion.

The part against the triads is particularly awesome reading.

Yeah was gonna grab that but it was like $20-30 more than the briggs and chavez one, ill try to get it of amazon

[Marcus]

yeah i love a good shin clash. got some nice marks on mine atm.

[Robot16]

yeah i love a good shin clash. got some nice marks on mine atm.

Yeah.

Yeah man tonight on fox the evolution show is on , i cant remember what time, but i got the macfie-dzhabar fight spoiled and the jwp-sean wright fight, but it should be good still

anyways im off, gotta get up for work in 3 and 1/2 hours:dead

[Kegsy]

Yeah was gonna grab that but it was like $20-30 more than the briggs and chavez one, ill try to get it of amazon
I bought it off ebay.
Cheap as.:good

[Robot16]

I bought it off ebay.
Cheap as.:good

thats sweet

ill check it out next month

[LeonMcS]

I've got a couple by Thomas Hauser, anything by him I highly recommend.

He wrote the best biography on Ali, 'Muhammed Ali: His Life and Times'

But even better are the collections of his writing on boxing released every year.

I have two, 'I don't believe it but its true' has Don King on the cover.

'Chaos Corruption Courage and Glory' has B Hop on the cover. Both of these are great, heaps of articles looking back over the events, fights, fighters and behind the scenes happenings of the year. Others of his I'm after are 'A year at the fights', 'Brutal Artistry' and 'The View from Ringside'.

Hauser has won a Pulitzer prize for a non-boxing novel so you know hes a very good writer.

Also another intertwining sports and politics in the Apartheid era is 'Dancing Shoes is Dead' by Gavin Evans, The Fists UK correspondent. he writes about his time in South Africa during the apartheid regime and the trials & tribulations of life and boxing during this time. Great read.

I have quite a few more in my bookcase but the ones above are the standouts. Robert Dranes 'Fighters by Trade' was ok, good to pick up and read a chapter here and there.

[Kegsy]

I've got a couple by Thomas Hauser, anything by him I highly recommend.

He wrote the best biography on Ali, 'Muhammed Ali: His Life and Times'

But even better are the collections of his writing on boxing released every year.

I have two, 'I don't believe it but its true' has Don King on the cover.

'Chaos Corruption Courage and Glory' has B Hop on the cover. Both of these are great, heaps of articles looking back over the events, fights, fighters and behind the scenes happenings of the year. Others of his I'm after are 'A year at the fights', 'Brutal Artistry' and 'The View from Ringside'.

Hauser has won a Pulitzer prize for a non-boxing novel so you know hes a very good writer.

Also another intertwining sports and politics in the Apartheid era is 'Dancing Shoes is Dead' by Gavin Evans, The Fists UK correspondent. he writes about his time in South Africa during the apartheid regime and the trials & tribulations of life and boxing during this time. Great read.

I have quite a few more in my bookcase but the ones above are the standouts. Robert Dranes 'Fighters by Trade' was ok, good to pick up and read a chapter here and there.
Thomas Hauser is a brilliant writer yes & massively respected in the boxing industry.
Some of his articles u read from time to time are insane.:deal

[teke]

All autobiographies on boxers are awesome, doesnt matter who it is.

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by Teke
All autobiographies on boxers are awesome, doesnt matter who it is. They all have a story to tell. Oh and by the way I'm coming out of the closet and announcing I'm gay for Dan Carter.

Yeah, funny that...

[teke]

Yeah, funny that......

[teke]

Yeah, funny that...should have quoted me brother :yep

[LeonMcS]

Fixed.

[teke]

Fixed.Now im interested to know how you did that :huh

[riggers]

The Night Train is excellent, the story of Sonny Liston

The 16th Round, Hurricane Carters autobiography, the original one not the Hollywood spin off is outstanding too.

Rocky Marciano's autobiography is well written and interesting.

Ditto Larry Holmes.

Out of all of them i would say NIght Train is the best.

[sallywinder]

no aussie boxing fan should be without HOME BEFORE DARK, the story of les darcy...[Only registered and activated users can see links]

its a book full of quotes and interviews by those that knew him. full of little known facts, like; fred fulton, recently voted in the top ten heavyweights never to get a title shot, at his peak, was ko'd in 2 in a spar with darcy......

les darcy, the greatest boxer weve ever produced.




.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

.....Four Kings by George Kimball is the story of Hearns, Hagler, Leonard and Duran. It gives an overview of their careers and their famous fights against each other.

Fighters By Trade by Robert Drane is a collection of stories on Australian boxing history. It starts way back in the bareknuckle era and goes right through to todays fighters.....

4 Kings is absolutely brilliant! Just finished it myself.

Fighters By Trade, I must get hold of and have a read - sounds interesting.

.....and peaking of Aussie books, there's an excellent book called Fighter Lady by Beverley Will that covers mostly the 70's & 80's of Aussie boxing. Bought it through her website at [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). You'll find the book available from other places pretty easily by searching the web.

Danny Green's book is a good read too.

[DaSweetScience]

If the bareknuckle days count The Black Ajax by George McDonald Fraser is a must have. It chronicles the original transatlantic showdown between British Tom Cribb and African American Tom Molyneux in the 1850's.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I've got a couple by Thomas Hauser, anything by him I highly recommend. He wrote the best biography on Ali, 'Muhammed Ali: His Life and Times'.....

Jose Torres' book on Ali, Sting Like a Bee, is also a ripper! Torres sparred, travelled with, and got very close to Ali - hence the excellent 1st hand accounts.

[Rise Above]

If the bareknuckle days count The Black Ajax by George McDonald Fraser is a must have. It chronicles the original transatlantic showdown between British Tom Cribb and African American Tom Molyneux in the 1850's.


There is a chapter about this fight in Budd Schulberg's Ringside.
Would love to read more about it, might have to see if I can find that book.

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by COULDHAVEBEEN
Jose Torres' book on Ali, Sting Like a Bee, is also a ripper! Torres sparred, travelled with, and got very close to Ali - hence the excellent 1st hand accounts.

His book on Tyson, 'Fire & Fear' should be retitled 'All of Mikes success is because of me and his failures came after I was booted out of his camp'.

This is the one where all the quotes regarding Tysons best punch was against Robin Givens. Tyson "Man, I'll never forget that punch...she flew backward, hitting every fucking wall in the apartment. That was the best punch I've ever thrown in my fucking life."

Heres Jose modestly telling about his own input into Tysons unification bout with Tony Tucker. "Just before the bell for round three sounded, Tyson stood up in his corner and looked straight at me. I was standing throwing jabs over the heads of the people in front of me, and he acknowledged by nodding his head. When the bell rang, he came out, his hands protecting his face, his elbows protecting his torso, his jab resembling an electric hammer. Everyone in his corner seemed to be breathing easier; so was Mike himself."

Of course theres the 602 references to when Jose won the Light Heavyweight Title, just in case you'd forgotten since the last paragraph.

Avoid like the plague.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

His book on Tyson, 'Fire & Fear'......of course there's the 602 references to when Jose won the Light Heavyweight Title, just in case you'd forgotten since the last paragraph......Avoid like the plague.

A pity that, because the Ali book is first rate reading, and Torres' selfindulgence is kept to a workable minimum.

Perhaps his approach to the Ali book was was more in reverance and respect. Whereas with Tyson.....

[Phil Austin]

Yeah fire and fear was a little off track occasionally! The Black Lights is a fantastic look into the industry and from the other side as well Mickey Vann's Give Me a Ring - still a little bemused that a ref wrote an autobiography but it does make good reading

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yeah fire and fear was a little off track occasionally! The Black Lights is a fantastic look into the industry....

The Black Lights (by Thomas Hauser) certainly opened my eyes when I read it! Felt so sorry for Costello at times.

(borrowed it from the library - best charge for a good book is always free).

[Phil Austin]

On Boxing - by Joyce Carol Oates: Facking brilliant

[one in a million]

no aussie boxing fan should be without HOME BEFORE DARK, the story of les darcy...[Only registered and activated users can see links]

its a book full of quotes and interviews by those that knew him. full of little known facts, like; fred fulton, recently voted in the top ten heavyweights never to get a title shot, at his peak, was ko'd in 2 in a spar with darcy......

les darcy, the greatest boxer weve ever produced.




.Just started reading this one and looks like I have a few more to read now.

[ipswich express]

Four Kings is sensational, as is Paul Briggs' auto.

[JOSEY WALES]

Fighting was my buisness , Jimmy Wilde

[LeonMcS]

'Kronky - My Part In His Downfall' by LeonMcS

Coming in 2009, sure to be an award winning classic.

[Phil Austin]

I will want an autographed copy mate. Will Kagsy get a mention in acknowledgements?

[LeonMcS]

He may, but since I'm writing it, it will mostly be about me. I may even include an excerot over the weekend.

[Phil Austin]

start by working harder on your facking spelling! It's excerpt! :p

[Robot16]

haha

[Rise Above]

'Kronky - My Part In His Downfall' by LeonMcS

Coming in 2009, sure to be an award winning classic.

:lol::lol:

[LeonMcS]

I meant exocet, I'll be firing a missile at your place this weekend Phil.

[Phil Austin]

I'd prefer you fired a scud at me - Iraq proved those cunts just don't work! :p

[Kegsy]

I will want an autographed copy mate. Will Kagsy get a mention in acknowledgements?:lol:
If Leon needs a consultant when writing this book...he is more than welcome to ask.:yep

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I meant exocet, I'll be firing a missile at your place this weekend Phil.

Boom! Boom!

[Barrera_fan]

2 books that haven't been mentioned on this thread that are worth a read are, Boxing's Hall of shame by Thomas Myler and Facing Tyson which is the author, whose name escapes me at the minute talking to a few of Tyson's opponents about their respective fights with Iron Mike.

Got a mate to get Calzaghe's book for me when he was in England recently and thought it was shit.

Ward's, Chavez's and Briggsy's books are good and i've also got that Bud Schulberg one too but haven't started it yet.

[KevinR]

I have managed to buy some great books off eBay this year.Only problem is postage rates from USA and UK are usually equal to or more expensive than the cost of the item.I would
recommend "Night Train" the Sonny Liston story and Robert Drane's book "Fighters by
Trade".Some old magazines sell cheaply also.ABC shops are also a good source.They
currently have the documentary "Lionel" in stock,a DVD which also features Lionel Rose fighting against Harada,Sakurai and Garcia.The Harada fight is featured in colour.Better print than one I purchased earlier which is B&W.Very good documentary though.

[Rise Above]

I picked up a Rocky Marciano biography today. I just started reading The Ballad of Les Darcy which I picked up a while back but never got around to reading, so far so good.

[LeonMcS]

Just finished 'Four Kings' by George Kimball, I'll join the chorus in recommending it.

Currently reading 'The Last Great Fight' by Joe Layden about Tyson-Douglas. Only 20 pages in so far but enjoying it.

Theres also one out about Hagler-Leonard whose name escapes me at the moment but sounds ok from the reviews I've read.

[ipswich express]

I'd have thought that the Bowe v Holyfield series and Holyfield v Tyson would be more recent "great fights". Interesting title.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

A Fighter’s Heart by Sam Sheridan is book with a difference that I'll just finishing off.

This is NOT purely a boxing book. But it's a very good read - particulary the early chapters.

Here's some snippets from an on-line review for anybody interested by Larry Smith:

Violence is the world’s oldest profession. And if our war-mongering culture is any indication, business is booming. The real question is why? Why do we fight? What drives men to become warriors?

Sam Sheridan, a former Merchant Marine and boxing enthusiast, decided he needed to satisfy a deep-seated adventure jones. In the summer of 1998, he started doing what any adrenaline-junkie might do: he crewed yachts from the Bahamas to Australia, worked in Antarctica, and fought fires in New Mexico.

He also traveled to Thailand, where he trained with Apidej Sit-Hirun (the “Muhammad Ali of Thai kickboxing”) at Bangkok’s legendary Fairtex gym. Within months he got his first Muay Thai fight—and won.

That fight only fueled a bloodlust he’d been carrying around with him since childhood. So Sheridan travelled to Iowa, where a posse of UFC champions introduced him to “car-wreck-itis”; and Rio where he hit the mats with the jiu-jitsu masters of Brazilian Top Team; he even got in the ring with Olympic boxer Andre Ward at his Oakland gym.

The result is A Fighter’s Heart, Sheridan’s fast-paced, in-the-ring, scholar-turned-gladiator’s view of violence—from the streets of Tokyo to the film lots of Hollywood—and the men who are made (and broken) by pursuing it as a career.

[flamengo]

The Black Lights (by Thomas Hauser) certainly opened my eyes when I read it! Felt so sorry for Costello at times.

(borrowed it from the library - best charge for a good book is always free).


CHB... can you elaborate on a piece from the 'Black Lights' Costello biography??? About 15 years ago, a bloke told me of a confrontation between Costello and Don King.... in Kings office I believe. No doubt regarding money!!

I believe King respected Costello's relations with 'mob' figures, suggesting something like;
"I know you have the contacts, to have me killed within 24 hours.... but, I can have you killed before you reach the ground floor"

Does this ring true??????????????????

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

CHB... can you elaborate on a piece from the 'Black Lights' Costello biography??? About 15 years ago, a bloke told me of a confrontation between Costello and Don King.... in Kings office I believe. No doubt regarding money!!

I believe King respected Costello's relations with 'mob' figures, suggesting something like;
"I know you have the contacts, to have me killed within 24 hours.... but, I can have you killed before you reach the ground floor"

Does this ring true??????????????????

I read the book perhaps 6 to 12 months ago.

Can't remember it specifically, to be honest. But there was certainly some similarly shady goings on described in the book (from memory).

Will probably re-read it at some stage. But I'll need to go to the library before I can get my hands on it again.

[flamengo]

I read the book perhaps 6 to 12 months ago.

Can't remember it specifically, to be honest. But there was certainly some similarly shady goings on described in the book (from memory).

Will probably re-read it at some stage. But I'll need to go to the library before I can get my hands on it again.

No probs. Have you read "The fighting blacksmith", by Golbert Odd??? A great biography on the life of Fitzsimmons..

"In the Days of the Giants", by Bill Doherty.. former Oz H/W champ???

or "Captain of the Push".. another great book.... cant remember the author... a nice Griffo biography.. perhaps the 'younger' blokes on this forum should take a look... I'd happily loan them, if a guarantee was them being returned.

[LeonMcS]

Flamengo, I'd kill for a loan of the Young Griffo book, wasn't aware there were any about him. I'll treat it with kid gloves and send back comfy in bubble wrap & express post. Plus I'm a quick reader so the turnaround will be minimal. If thats ok I'll pm you with a mailing address as I'm only home every second week.

[flamengo]

Flamengo, I'd kill for a loan of the Young Griffo book, wasn't aware there were any about him. I'll treat it with kid gloves and send back comfy in bubble wrap & express post. Plus I'm a quick reader so the turnaround will be minimal. If thats ok I'll pm you with a mailing address as I'm only home every second week.


LeonMcs..... I have your postal address mate... and I still have to send some dvds to you also. Sorry for the delay.

[Robot16]

Flamengo, I'd kill for a loan of the Young Griffo book, wasn't aware there were any about him. I'll treat it with kid gloves and send back comfy in bubble wrap & express post. Plus I'm a quick reader so the turnaround will be minimal. If thats ok I'll pm you with a mailing address as I'm only home every second week.

Who is Young Griffo?

[flamengo]

Who is Young Griffo?

Serious question????

[Robot16]

Serious question????

Yeah, id be lying pretended if i pretended to know.

[flamengo]

Yeah, id be lying pretended if i pretended to know.

2665 posts on this forum.... and you claim to not know anything about Griffo???? Please tell me your joking???

[Robot16]

2665 posts on this forum.... and you claim to not know anything about Griffo???? Please tell me your joking???

I have heard of Griffo before, but ido not know anything about him.

[Super_Fly_Sam]

I am looking at asking " Santa" for some boxing books for xmas , ive had a look and there are odd one's here and there , but was wondering if there was any particular ones ppl might reccomend.

ive got the following in my collection - autobiography;s on Briggs , Green , Hatton , Fenech , Tzsyu & Mundine .

Im interested in Calzaghe's autobiography but can only find it on ebay ..has anyone seen it in stores . Also im looking for a copy of The 16th Round by Ruben Carter ..no luck on amazon or ebay , any ideas.

I no Oscar has a new book , there is a holyfield one around also , anyone read these or ..anyone know of any others that may be worth getting ???


Sorry mate mine is not for sale but i have The 16th Round by Rubin Carter

Great book, haven't read to many in my timne but its defiately the best i've read. IMO anytime spent trackin a copy down will be well worth it so dont give up lol

[flamengo]

Mate, Griffo was a freak.

At the time of Queensberry's introduction, Griffo was considered an incredible talent. Stories suggest he made many greats look foolish in their attempts to hit him. Moving his head and making his opponents miss by millimeters, he gained legendary status as the most scientific fighter of the time.

Home grown stories of the time suggest he would challenge guys at the pub to hit his face... Griffo would stand on a hanky, both feet firmly planted, and give anyone the chance to swing. Alegedly, he was never hit.??? Another tale is, he could catch a fly with his forefinger and thumb, release it, and catch it again...

He was a total piss pot... to say the least. Had the self control bordering on nothing when booze was involved. When due to fight, his manager often had to drag his arse out of the pub and get to the ring.... reportedly dipping his drunken melon in to a drum of water, in attempt to sober him up. Fighting whilst pissed was common for him, and the ability to do so was another reason for his legend. Jim Corbett called him the most brilliant fighter in history... and the dumbest.

When Billy Murphy took the F/W title from Ike Wier in 1890?, he sailed to Oz... thus being no longer recognised as Champ by the Ignorant yanks, due to leaving the USA. Regardless, Griffo faught Murphy in Sydney, beating him... and layed 'claim' to the title...

One pathetic thing that deserves constant attention to... The nature of that fact, and the disgrace of it. 'Griffo' was never recognised as a 'world champ' during his time. Even when he belted Murphy.

Griffo went to the States, and fought Ike Weir, putting the bloke to sleep in 3 rounds. Others he boxed were Jack McAuliffe, Joe Gans, Tommy Ryan and George Dixon... just to name a few of the greats on his record. Nat Fleischer eventually credited Griffo as a legitimate champion in the 50's..... half a century too late.

If there was a chance to keep Griffo sober, he would have been a fucking nightmare to any man. Literally impossible to hit when serious, and well advanced in the formalities of the ring craft. Unfortunately, the alcohol was his hardest opponent.... I doubt he battled with it... just soaked it up like kiss from Jennifer Hawkins...

There has been a film of Griff bboxing with another guy... the name escapes me... in N.Y, and apparently one of the earliest recording of a staged fight... 1893-'94??

Mate, there a squillion things to say about him... and the facts remain... he was a genius, a piss head, an Aussie who loved to brawl, the finest fighter of his day... the mental picture I conjure up, he must have been on par with Willie Pep.... and he is the most lame arsed SOB to combine booze with boxing.

Combine his love of fighting and booze with a frienship with John L., and its a recipe for disaster. Both me admired each other, and the grog, and spent a lot of time enjoying sessions in numerous saloons.

tex Rickard was one admirer of Griffo, and paid for his funeral.... apparently bankrupt at his death, a shoe box was said to be found under his bed in the squaller he lived in... containing a few thousand pounds.... Rickard was reimbusred the funeral fee and the land lord was paid back rent... or board he owed...

If your interested in the 'Little Drunk', then keep me posted. I have to sent a book to LeonMcs... he can forward it to you, or I can send it to you... Just be sure to retun it to me..

[Robot16]

Thanks for the write up mate, i never heard these before, as you were writing i was think of pep too.

Sounds like a character and a pretty good fighter too mate, thanks for the words.

At the moment i wont read the book mate, i might give it a month then see whpo has the book then as ill be done with summer school

[flamengo]

Thanks for the write up mate, i never heard these before, as you were writing i was think of pep too.

Sounds like a character and a pretty good fighter too mate, thanks for the words.

At the moment i wont read the book mate, i might give it a month then see whpo has the book then as ill be done with summer school

No worries. I'll keep ya posted. All the best with your studies also.

[Robot16]

No worries. I'll keep ya posted. All the best with your studies also.


Thanks mate, i did not expect to read the story about him too, i thought he would not have been that good.
thanks for the luck too mate.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

No probs. Have you read "The fighting blacksmith", by Golbert Odd??? A great biography on the life of Fitzsimmons..

"In the Days of the Giants", by Bill Doherty.. former Oz H/W champ???

or "Captain of the Push".. another great book.... cant remember the author... a nice Griffo biography.. perhaps the 'younger' blokes on this forum should take a look... I'd happily loan them, if a guarantee was them being returned.

Can’t say I’ve read any of those.

Downloaded a quaint old book yesterday called The Art of Boxing and Manual of Training by Billy Edwards.

Edwards was English born and was the lightweight champion of America 1868 – 1872. I've only looked at portions of the book so far, but it really is a museum piece with its old ideas and practices.

The book is a free download in pdf format from [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). If you enter [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) you’ll arrive directly at the page for the download.

Don’t let the silly name lulu.com put you off – it’s a genuine site.

[one in a million]

Mate, Griffo was a freak.

At the time of Queensberry's introduction, Griffo was considered an incredible talent. Stories suggest he made many greats look foolish in their attempts to hit him. Moving his head and making his opponents miss by millimeters, he gained legendary status as the most scientific fighter of the time.

Home grown stories of the time suggest he would challenge guys at the pub to hit his face... Griffo would stand on a hanky, both feet firmly planted, and give anyone the chance to swing. Alegedly, he was never hit.??? Another tale is, he could catch a fly with his forefinger and thumb, release it, and catch it again...

He was a total piss pot... to say the least. Had the self control bordering on nothing when booze was involved. When due to fight, his manager often had to drag his arse out of the pub and get to the ring.... reportedly dipping his drunken melon in to a drum of water, in attempt to sober him up. Fighting whilst pissed was common for him, and the ability to do so was another reason for his legend. Jim Corbett called him the most brilliant fighter in history... and the dumbest.

When Billy Murphy took the F/W title from Ike Wier in 1890?, he sailed to Oz... thus being no longer recognised as Champ by the Ignorant yanks, due to leaving the USA. Regardless, Griffo faught Murphy in Sydney, beating him... and layed 'claim' to the title...

One pathetic thing that deserves constant attention to... The nature of that fact, and the disgrace of it. 'Griffo' was never recognised as a 'world champ' during his time. Even when he belted Murphy.

Griffo went to the States, and fought Ike Weir, putting the bloke to sleep in 3 rounds. Others he boxed were Jack McAuliffe, Joe Gans, Tommy Ryan and George Dixon... just to name a few of the greats on his record. Nat Fleischer eventually credited Griffo as a legitimate champion in the 50's..... half a century too late.

If there was a chance to keep Griffo sober, he would have been a fucking nightmare to any man. Literally impossible to hit when serious, and well advanced in the formalities of the ring craft. Unfortunately, the alcohol was his hardest opponent.... I doubt he battled with it... just soaked it up like kiss from Jennifer Hawkins...

There has been a film of Griff bboxing with another guy... the name escapes me... in N.Y, and apparently one of the earliest recording of a staged fight... 1893-'94??

Mate, there a squillion things to say about him... and the facts remain... he was a genius, a piss head, an Aussie who loved to brawl, the finest fighter of his day... the mental picture I conjure up, he must have been on par with Willie Pep.... and he is the most lame arsed SOB to combine booze with boxing.

Combine his love of fighting and booze with a frienship with John L., and its a recipe for disaster. Both me admired each other, and the grog, and spent a lot of time enjoying sessions in numerous saloons.

tex Rickard was one admirer of Griffo, and paid for his funeral.... apparently bankrupt at his death, a shoe box was said to be found under his bed in the squaller he lived in... containing a few thousand pounds.... Rickard was reimbusred the funeral fee and the land lord was paid back rent... or board he owed...

If your interested in the 'Little Drunk', then keep me posted. I have to sent a book to LeonMcs... he can forward it to you, or I can send it to you... Just be sure to retun it to me..

What a sad ending to a inspiring stroy...

I'm still in the throws of reading the Les Darcy book, awesome aussie boxing legend.

Do we have a successful boxer that still lives and healthy and wealthy life today?

[flamengo]

Depends on what you call successful??? If contenders are worthy of mention, we have countless. Paul Ferreri is a fine example.. Not sure of his personal wealth, but wealth can be messure by a good life. Ferreri is living well, and stilll trains kids.

Barry Michael lives a good life.

Charkey Ramon is reportedly a millionaire... through demolishion.

Vic Patrick was very wealthy... and his belt, being formerly that of Bob Fitzsimmons is literally priceless to the enthusiast.... sadly, old Vic has departed us.

Fenech and Tszyu are living on easy street.

Plenty others are living very well...

[Robot16]

just came across this
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paul briggs book its offered at only $3, if you dont have it try to get it cheap.
also is the dean waters book good?

[ipswich express]

Seriously, if you don't have it, do yourself a favour and get it, especially for $3!!!

[one in a million]

Thanks flamengo

I wouldn't mind reading the Dean Water book, I'll have to keep an eye out when shopping.

I brought the Cinderella Man from the op shop yesti for $3.

[one in a million]

Depends on what you call successful??? If contenders are worthy of mention, we have countless. Paul Ferreri is a fine example.. Not sure of his personal wealth, but wealth can be messure by a good life. Ferreri is living well, and stilll trains kids.

Barry Michael lives a good life.

Charkey Ramon is reportedly a millionaire... through demolishion.

Vic Patrick was very wealthy... and his belt, being formerly that of Bob Fitzsimmons is literally priceless to the enthusiast.... sadly, old Vic has departed us.

Fenech and Tszyu are living on easy street.

Plenty others are living very well...

Is Paul Ferreri a finacial adviser living in Melb?

[flamengo]

Is Paul Ferreri a finacial adviser living in Melb?

Mate, to be honest, Im not 100% sure what else he does, outside of personal training, and training young guys. I will be paying him a visit shortly, as he is only 20 mins from myself, just to 'chew the cudd'. He does live in Melbourne, yes...

Will get back to you.... Cheers.

[Texan Joe]

I really enjoyed Lester's book , cant beleive he fought Mandy after a six pack, I mean he didnt go real good, but still half pissed going in? I know it happens but wtf?

Loved how when he was first pro and he would win and everyone would want to celebrate and party "I dont want to celebrate, Im fit, Im ready, Im a fighter get me a fight." Sounded like an animal.

On a side note, after reading about Flamengo's Griffo tale, I had a mate who went and watched the Hatton Mallignaggi fight in Vegas, he reckons Hatton was out on the piss hard for a 3 day bender in the week leading up to fight. He apparently even hit someone and had a couple of scuffles.

My mate reckons Pac man knocks him out, but it got me thinking, I thought Hatton looked good last time out- Imagine if he was off the piss!

[T.C.W]

nigel benn was a good book

[flamengo]

I really enjoyed Lester's book , cant beleive he fought Mandy after a six pack, I mean he didnt go real good, but still half pissed going in? I know it happens but wtf?

Loved how when he was first pro and he would win and everyone would want to celebrate and party "I dont want to celebrate, Im fit, Im ready, Im a fighter get me a fight." Sounded like an animal.

On a side note, after reading about Flamengo's Griffo tale, I had a mate who went and watched the Hatton Mallignaggi fight in Vegas, he reckons Hatton was out on the piss hard for a 3 day bender in the week leading up to fight. He apparently even hit someone and had a couple of scuffles.

My mate reckons Pac man knocks him out, but it got me thinking, I thought Hatton looked good last time out- Imagine if he was off the piss!


Texan Joe.... Lester had a shocking battle with booze... and other things.

I was at the Fogas/Ellis fight..... and become shocked a week later when told he drank a dozen cans the night before..

He's a very nice bloke, with a sad story to take on board... Thank fuck!!!!!, he didn't manage to suicide... or harm himself more than he did.


Others might sniff at the mention of Lester... yet, the same people should view his bout with Dale Artango.. and consider the equiptment Lester had, even as a kid... The punishing Sequenan fight is another shocker to watch... The punishment dished out was incredible...

Lester deserves 'fairer' recognision... He was a tough bloke.

[LeonMcS]

I was at Fogas/Ellis too Flamengo, great memories of my time in Melbourne.

[Rise Above]

No probs. Have you read "The fighting blacksmith", by Golbert Odd??? A great biography on the life of Fitzsimmons..

"In the Days of the Giants", by Bill Doherty.. former Oz H/W champ???

or "Captain of the Push".. another great book.... cant remember the author... a nice Griffo biography.. perhaps the 'younger' blokes on this forum should take a look... I'd happily loan them, if a guarantee was them being returned.

Any ideas where I could buy these books, by the sounds of things they are rare as hens teeth.

[flamengo]

I was at Fogas/Ellis too Flamengo, great memories of my time in Melbourne.

It was an interesting night mate.. several heklers in the crowd continued to call Ellis a 'scab'... due to him crossing Union lines when strikes were abundant in Melboure...

From memory, Cliff Samardin made his pro. debut that night?? with Danny Daniels... might have been Rohan Tonkins???

Kenny Carter recieved similar abuse, for no particular reason and let people know his feelings.
Funny guy Kenny, and a top guy. I was fortunate to be with him when he belted the shit out of Liegh Thomas (Scott Brouwers trainer).. at the Croydon Hotel....

Also the last time I saw Reg Undy at a fight promotion.

[LeonMcS]

It wasn't Samardins debut, his 6th pro fight, also significant because I know footage of it exists as it was later screened on Nines 'Wide World of Sport'. From memory was the second live card I ever attended, the first being Scotty Brouwer v Tom Hanks.

[Robot16]

Yeah do you guys use the normal amazon site or the uk one, i was gonna join the normal one, i thought it would have larger selection

[flamengo]

It wasn't Samardins debut, his 6th pro fight, also significant because I know footage of it exists as it was later screened on Nines 'Wide World of Sport'. From memory was the second live card I ever attended, the first being Scotty Brouwer v Tom Hanks.

Im suprised it was Cliffs 6th pro fight... was the first time I'd seen him live.... Cheers mate.

[old man]

This story by Jack London was voted the best boxing story ever written.
Only about half a dozen pages long but never the less pure boxing essence.
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[Rise Above]

This story by Jack London was voted the best boxing story ever written.
Only about half a dozen pages long but never the less pure boxing essence.
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Cheers mate, will give it a read.

[smellmyfinger]

I reckon the Anthony Mundine book when he retires will be a *******......thats if he opens up and gives an insight into his insecurities, rather than create a book of brovado.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

....From memory, Cliff Samardin made his pro. debut that night?? with Danny Daniels... might have been Rohan Tonkins???

Kenny Carter recieved similar abuse, for no particular reason and let people know his feelings.....

Went to a few of Lester's fights. Wasn't at that one though.

Miller beat Carter for Vic title that night. Rohan Tomkins had his only pro fight (used to work with his brother Doug many years ago - was a very impressive amateur).

[LeonMcS]

Finished 'The Last Great Fight' by Joe Layden about Tyson-Douglas last night, and definitely recommend it. Incredibly well researched, it explores both fighters pre and post fight with interviews with just about everyone involved, even Tyson.

Also, like Robot16 asked, which version of Amazon do people here use, the UK or US one?

[ipswich express]

Leon, I've used both. Never had a problem with either.

[Rise Above]

Finished 'The Last Great Fight' by Joe Layden about Tyson-Douglas last night, and definitely recommend it. Incredibly well researched, it explores both fighters pre and post fight with interviews with just about everyone involved, even Tyson.

Also, like Robot16 asked, which version of Amazon do people here use, the UK or US one?

I seen that book in the shop the other day, might have to go back and buy it.

[flamengo]

Went to a few of Lester's fights. Wasn't at that one though.

Miller beat Carter for Vic title that night. Rohan Tomkins had his only pro fight (used to work with his brother Doug many years ago - was a very impressive amateur).

CHB... Darren Miller was a bloke who deserve a little more credit also. I dont remeber him performing badly... ever.

After the Tony Miller/ Darren Miller contest, 'Keefy', in his remarkable use of the English language, mixed with his direct intention said "Darren Miller has more balls than a bean bag..". Only Keith Ellis could come up with the appropriate words.

[FIGHTJUNKIE]

No worries. I'll keep ya posted. All the best with your studies also.

Hey, I've lways been fascinated by Griffo, who is the author?... I would be made up to borrow it from you, which is a very generous and trusting offer, but otherwise I could maybe buy it from amazon. Have you read the Battling siki and Mike mctigue books that came out recently?... what did you make of them if so?. I'm currently reading 'Son of philadelphia' the biog of Gypsy Joe Harris... which is a great read...:bbb:bbb:bbb:hat:deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

CHB... Darren Miller was a bloke who deserve a little more credit also. I dont remeber him performing badly... ever.

After the Tony Miller/ Darren Miller contest, 'Keefy', in his remarkable use of the English language, mixed with his direct intention said "Darren Miller has more balls than a bean bag..". Only Keith Ellis could come up with the appropriate words.

Can remember Darren Miller only vaguely, and by name only.

Tony Miller also qualified in the balls category.

There's about 7 billion people in the world and you won't find another one the same as Keith Ellis amongst 'em!

[flamengo]

Can remember Darren Miller only vaguely, and by name only.

Tony Miller also qualified in the balls category.

There's about 7 billion people in the world and you won't find another one the same as Keith Ellis amongst 'em!

Correct... the mould was thrown away when 'Keefy' was made.... it was cracked anyway..... hehehehehehehe..

A good bloke.

[Rise Above]

Reading Tunney, the Gene Tunney biography at the moment. Pretty good so far.

[Robot16]

Leon, I've used both. Never had a problem with either.

Ok thanks mate, yeah do you have to sign up for both sites then?

[Rise Above]

I think I'll be hitting up Amazon soon myself. I think I've bought just about every boxing book Borders has.

[Kegsy]

Rise Above really like your old skool Ring Magazine avatars.

Have u bought any of the Ring Magazine shirts.
I have went & got some including Sugar Ray Robinson, Oscar De La Hoya & Ike Williams.
They are awesome mate.

[Rise Above]

I will be getting some when I have the dollars, they arent cheap but I definitely want a few of them.

Did they take long to be posted ?

[Kegsy]

I will be getting some when I have the dollars, they arent cheap but I definitely want a few of them.

Did they take long to be posted ?
Nahh they dont take that long at all.
Made by Affliction clothing, so they are rather cool.
Wore the retro De La Hoya shirt out to a latino hip hop club tonight.
All the latino's loved it including some women.:lol:

[ipswich express]

Did any of the chicks think you were a track star Kegs? :) Geez you must be flush with some dollars mate. Expensive t shirts!

[Rise Above]

I'm waiting for the exchange rate to improve before I look at buying anything from the U.S. I could be waiting a while too unfortunately.

[Kegsy]

Did any of the chicks think you were a track star Kegs? :) Geez you must be flush with some dollars mate. Expensive t shirts!
:lol:
Well there will be a photo of me up here soon out in the club wearing the de la hoya shirt just for u guys.:hi:

[old man]

Hope the picture is over 7 years old Kegsy.:oops:
Everyone wears black at funerals.:good
DLH = RIP

[Robot16]

I just bought this book off ebay for $7
A Savage Business: The Comeback and Comedown of Mike Tyson
but looked on amazon and it said it can sell for 1cent, so i think i got jipped

Also for you amazon users how much is postage from the us?

[markedwardscott]

My book on Joe Gans has gotten some good reviews.

[Phil Austin]

Robot depends on size and weight of book - it should tell you when you place your order

[one in a million]

I'm not to sure if this one has been mentioned " I AM KING " by David King....'I'm gonna float like a butterfly and sting like a bee, his hands can't hit what his hands can't see'.

Awesome pictures and words throughout the 1975 Muhammad Ali Bio book.

[gloveup]

Read "My Bleeding Business" Terry Downes along time a ago and I thought that was a good book. 16th Rounds and Sands are also stand outs.
Dino Billinghurst

[apollack]

Have any of you read my book?

In the Ring With Bob Fitzsimmons

464 pages.

[flamengo]

Have any of you read my book?

In the Ring With Bob Fitzsimmons

464 pages.

Best you send me a copy..... just to review... :yep

'The Fighting Blacksmith' by Gilbert Odd is the only Fitz book in my hands... love a second read.... especially a welll studied account..

[one in a million]

I picked up Doing The Business for $2 a few weeks back and just started reading it.

The first chapter Fighting For Success is all about Charlie Kray boxing in the UK and his sons following him into the ring...so far so good.

[markedwardscott]

Please check out the book I co-wrote about Joe Gans.


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[ipswich express]

Yeah mate, you mentioned it about 5 posts ago...

[old man]

Hey Fellas do me a favour and read this story.
All you ever want to know or ever will know about boxing is encaptulated in it.
Set in Sydney just after the turn of the century when Sydney was the hub of boxing.
If you love boxing and don,t love this story my advice is take up knitting.
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[flamengo]

Hey Fellas do me a favour and read this story.
All you ever want to know or ever will know about boxing is encaptulated in it.
Set in Sydney just after the turn of the century when Sydney was the hub of boxing.
If you love boxing and don,t love this story my advice is take up knitting.
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Mate, you told me to read this story a fortnight ago.... I've knitted 10 cardigans in the interim... Should have read it when suggested..

Excellent stuff.. and tells the story of the game to a tee.

[Rodin]

One Saturday many years ago, I'd had a bet but missed the race & I asked my ex hoop/trainer dad what won it.
"George Moore" he said.
"Yeah, but what was he riding" I pressed
"Dunno, but he lifted that horse over the line. No George, No win" Was all he said.

That's what Jack London could do with a story
That skill he had in making the opposite out of the obvious I can't ever recall being done so well as in "A piece of Steak".

Great read OM.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Apparently there's a book being written (or about to be released) about Leo Berry, 80 year old (plus) doyen of Victorian boxing trainers.

For those not versed with Leo, he had 50 odd fights and has been a trainer since he hung 'em up.

It's been a gold coin entry to his old Richmond gym for years, and it has served all types including delinquents, the infamous (inc some Underbelly types) and some very capable boxers.

Many times Leo's gym has almost been closed down for one reason or other. But he's obviously a determined bugger 'cause it continues to survive.

[ipswich express]

Just finished reading "The Last Great Fight" on Douglas v Tyson. Highly recommend it. Very good read.

[LeonMcS]

Yeah, that Holyfield-Tyson is a good read.

I just picked up one called 'The Heavyweights - The Definitive history of the Heavyweight Fighters' by Bob Mee, an A-Z of the big boys throughout history, looks good but havn't started it yet.

[flamengo]

Apparently there's a book being written (or about to be released) about Leo Berry, 80 year old (plus) doyen of Victorian boxing trainers.

For those not versed with Leo, he had 50 odd fights and has been a trainer since he hung 'em up.

It's been a gold coin entry to his old Richmond gym for years, and it has served all types including delinquents, the infamous (inc some Underbelly types) and some very capable boxers.

Many times Leo's gym has almost been closed down for one reason or other. But he's obviously a determined bugger 'cause it continues to survive.


There must be an incredible amount of worthwhile stories that Leo would be able to tell. Most of which he'd take to his grave with him. Just to scratch the surface would cover half a dozen books.

First time I went inside his gym, there was a odd looking guy, super fit with a fucked up hair style, doing some acrobatics on the gym floor... mostly on his head. It was Kostya training for his Pro debut. Looked like a monk straight from a monestary to me.

[one in a million]

I picked up Doing The Business for $2 a few weeks back and just started reading it.

The first chapter Fighting For Success is all about Charlie Kray boxing in the UK and his sons following him into the ring...so far so good.

Ended up being about bonds, fraud, FBI and mafia stuff.

Just finished reading Sam Cutler "you can't always get what you want" and waiting for The Boxing Scene to arrive at the bookshop.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

For those that like a bit of boxing history and an irresistible price tag here's a site's worth visiting:

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There you'll find lots of freebie complete book downloads - old boxing books etc. Amongst them there's a book called 'Life & Battles of Jack Johnson' (that I've already downloaded free) and it's well worth a read.

[DaSweetScience]

Has anybody read The Black Ajax by George McDonald Fraser about Cribb v Molynieux. Its unbelievable stuff.

[one in a million]

For those that like a bit of boxing history and an irresistible price tag here's a site's worth visiting:

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

There you'll find lots of freebie complete book downloads - old boxing books etc. Amongst them there's a book called 'Life & Battles of Jack Johnson' (that I've already downloaded free) and it's well worth a read.

Jack Johnson is he the boxer Fortune went 10 rounds with in 91?

[flamengo]

Jack Johnson is he the boxer Fortune went 10 rounds with in 91?

There was a 'Jack Johnson' floating around the Oz boxing scene in the early 1990's.

I saw him box Dave Russell at the Hungarian Community Centre in Vic.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Jack Johnson is he the boxer Fortune went 10 rounds with in 91?

No, this is the Jack Johnson best known for defeating Tommy Burns in Sydney in 1908 for the world heavyweight title.

[flamengo]

Just got my hands on a sensational book, covering the early days of Australian Champions and charactors. The names are numerous covering 30+ years of the era.

A definate recommendation for anyone with genuine interest in the Oz History.
The photographs inside are second to none.... most of which have NEVER been printed.

"Heroes of the Fancy", by Arnold Thomas.. Costs $50 plus postage no doubt.

Seriously worth every cent.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Just got my hands on a sensational book, covering the early days of Australian Champions and charactors. The names are numerous covering 30+ years of the era.

A definate recommendation for anyone with genuine interest in the Oz History.
The photographs inside are second to none.... most of which have NEVER been printed.

"Heroes of the Fancy", by Arnold Thomas.. Costs $50 plus postage no doubt.

Seriously worth every cent.

Sounds like a must have - where can I get a copy??

[Robot16]

Johnny Tapia's "Mi Vida Loca" is a very good read

[ipswich express]

Johnny Tapia's "Mi Vida Loca" is a very good read

Apparently it's littered with typos and grammatical errors. Is that right?

[flamengo]

Sounds like a must have - where can I get a copy??


Just PM to me, and I'll get you in contact with the auther.

[Robot16]

Apparently it's littered with typos and grammatical errors. Is that right?

Yeah there are a fair few mistakes in there.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Just a fresh plug for the Lester Ellis book 'Fighting the Demons'.

It was pretty much played out in the interview with Lester & Keiffy on DSS' radio show last night. A great read!

[flamengo]

Just a fresh plug for the Lester Ellis book 'Fighting the Demons'.

It was pretty much played out in the interview with Lester & Keiffy on DSS' radio show last night. A great read!

CHB... been looking or it at local bookshops. Will checkout Melb. Sports Book tomorrow.

Picked up GLOVES, GLORY and GOD.. Henry Armstrong, today. Cost a whopping $10 from a second hand store. Good pick up for the 1957 copy.

If anyone has any old boxing books that seem meaningless... then PM me, I'll happily trade or buy.

[ashley]

CHB... been looking or it at local bookshops. Will checkout Melb. Sports Book tomorrow.

Picked up GLOVES, GLORY and GOD.. Henry Armstrong, today. Cost a whopping $10 from a second hand store. Good pick up for the 1957 copy.

If anyone has any old boxing books that seem meaningless... then PM me, I'll happily trade or buy.

I will just wait for your book to come out mate........should be a good read :good...........now did you say it will be ready in 30 mins........30 days......or 30 years :huh

[flamengo]

I will just wait for your book to come out mate........should be a good read :good...........now did you say it will be ready in 30 mins........30 days......or 30 years :huh

Will have to wait atleast 20 years mate.

[DaSweetScience]

Has anyone read the Black Ajax by George Mcdonald Fraser RIP.

Its about the bareknuckle scrap between Tom Cribb and James Molynieux in the 1840's under the old London Prize ring rules.

An unbelievable piece of writing with comedy laced through it.

[flamengo]

Has anyone read the Black Ajax by George Mcdonald Fraser RIP.

Its about the bareknuckle scrap between Tom Cribb and James Molynieux in the 1840's under the old London Prize ring rules.

An unbelievable piece of writing with comedy laced through it.

Will have to find a copy of that also. Good to see some humour thrown into a book like this... instead of the over romanced details.

[robert ungurean]

Can anybody tell me the title of Danny Greens book.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Can anybody tell me the title of Danny Greens book.

Danny's book's called: 'CLOSED FISTS‚ OPEN HEART'

Read it the first time in 3 or 4 days, and it's excellent. Just picked it up at the weekend for a second reading.

[LeonMcS]

That ones gathering dust on my bookshelf, had planned to read it but ever since I saw that Fox documentary about him its dropped down on my 'to do' list.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

That ones gathering dust on my bookshelf, had planned to read it but ever since I saw that Fox documentary about him its dropped down on my 'to do' list.

Partially in agreement. Saw the doco first too, but still a good read.

[one in a million]

I picked up a Rocky Marciano biography today. I just started reading The Ballad of Les Darcy which I picked up a while back but never got around to reading, so far so good.

The Ballard of Les Darcy was it a good read?

Picked it up yesterday at a local secondhand bookshop.

[flamengo]

The Ballard of Les Darcy was it a good read?

Picked it up yesterday at a local secondhand bookshop.

Read it Mel.. nothing new in regards to 'indepth' details.

Well worth a read none the less. There's a couple on par with it and a few that create a better understanding of his life by further study.

[one in a million]

Further study gee i can't wait!

[LeonMcS]

Was that the one by Peter Fitzsimons?

I've had a few on Darcy over the years but seemd to have lost them somewhere.

[flamengo]

Further study gee i can't wait!

Stop pretending you give a shit...

You doing an article about Darcy for the Bikies??? LMAO

[flamengo]

Was that the one by Peter Fitzsimons?

I've had a few on Darcy over the years but seemd to have lost them somewhere.

Thats the one by Fitzsimmons. Said I'd send a copy of the 'Home before Dark' to ya. Will send a copy of 'Ballad...' also.

[LeonMcS]

Nah I've got ballad, don't bother, that was book of the month or something awhile ago so picked up a new one for $5.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Here's one to keep an eye out for later in the year:

BARRY MICHAEL is apparently planning a book which might be on the shelf by the end of the year.

Eddie McGuire who currently does boxing sessions with Michael, might have something to do the book idea. There’s also a whisper about a movie, or similar.

Michael’s long and successful career, spanning the early 70’s to the late 80’s, certainly includes some potentially juicy material. His version of what happened at the nightclub years ago with Alphonse Gangitano would make for good reading. The Lester Ellis world title fight, it’s lead-up and aftermath, could also fill a chapter.

Then there’s some of his epic wars with the likes of Frankie Ropis, ‘Earthquake’ Carter etc.

Before anybody starts with the Barry’s-a-biased-commentator stuff, the book would surely focus on Michael-the-Aussie-and-World Champ, not the Michael who in retirement seems a bit too close to the Mundine camp.

One to watch out for IMO.

[flamengo]

That leaves us with three books to look forward too over the next 12 months.

Leo Berry
Barry Michael
Dave Russell

Definately must-haves for Aussie fans.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

That leaves us with three books to look forward too over the next 12 months.

Leo Berry
Barry Michael
Dave Russell

Definately must-haves for Aussie fans.

Dave Russell as well!

Perhaps the title of Dave's book ought to be 'Whatever happened to Dave Russell' cause I certainly couldn't tell you. But geez, we used to love watching him slug it out.

[old man]

Just finished reading a great book on Tent Boxing by Wayne McLennan.
Couldn,t put it down till I finished it.
Anybody else read it?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Just finished reading a great book on Tent Boxing by Wayne McLennan.
Couldn,t put it down till I finished it.
Anybody else read it?

Yeah mate, and a good read it is. I actually picked it up a 2nd time a few months later.

You've fought in the tent yourself OM. What was it like just jumping in there knowing nothing about your opponent etc.

[flamengo]

Dave Russell as well!

Perhaps the title of Dave's book ought to be 'Whatever happened to Dave Russell' cause I certainly couldn't tell you. But geez, we used to love watching him slug it out.


The 'chosen' title is very appropriate to Dave fighting nature. The author is still trying to contact Kenny Carter, Paul Gatti (from S.A) and Jeff Fenech for interviews and memories from these guys.

Old Man, perhaps your mate 'Foxy', in S.A, could help trace Paul Gatti?? Gatti sparred Dave Russell prior to the Johnny Nelson bout.

Your help would be great.

[old man]

Give me a ring Flamengo and I will pass Foxys number on to you.
Couldhavebeen... It,s like pulling a Bon Bon ...
You don,t know what you are going to get...:p

[one in a million]

Just started reading The Boxing Scene, good read so far.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Just started reading The Boxing Scene, good read so far.

The same author, Thomas Hauser, wrote the brilliant book called 'The Black Lights'. If you haven't read or heard about it, it follows the story of former WBC light welter champ Billy Costello, and branches into many other spin-off stories. Not pretty, but a great read!

[one in a million]

The same author, Thomas Hauser, wrote the brilliant book called 'The Black Lights'. If you haven't read or heard about it, it follows the story of former WBC light welter champ Billy Costello, and branches into many other spin-off stories. Not pretty, but a great read!

Ok will check it out :good

[flamengo]

If anyone has a degree in reading, I recommend 'Gentleman Bruiser' by Bob Peterson. The book is an incredible peice of informative literature on the life of Peter Jackson. Its just impossible to read!!

[one in a million]

Hurricane - The Miraculous Journey Of Rubin Carter.

[Contendo]

"Irish Thinder" - The story of Micky Ward.

Plays the movie off a break (and the movie's good!)

[Bobby Sinn]

"Irish Thinder" - The story of Micky Ward.

Plays the movie off a break (and the movie's good!)

Cool, you can send me your copy.. just don't develop any photo's on it first. :good

[Contendo]

Cool, you can send me your copy.. just don't develop any photo's on it first. :good

Have you got an Amazon 'Kindle'? I can send it to you if so?

[one in a million]

So much to read, watch and learn.

I picked up my first copy of Boxing News a couple of days ago, the Heavyweight greats has a good spread :hey

[Bobby Sinn]

Have you got an Amazon 'Kindle'? I can send it to you if so?

Mate.. anything that I have, which is potentially Amazing, you will Kindley not touch... :D

[Bobby Sinn]

So much to read, watch and learn.

I picked up my first copy of Boxing News a couple of days ago, the Heavyweight greats has a good spread :hey

I picked up January PLAYBOY.. 'Miss JANUARY' has a nasty spread..

[Contendo]

Mate.. anything that I have, which is potentially Amazing, you will Kindley not touch... :D

:lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, have you seen these new electronic book readers. My missus got one for Christmas, amazing.

Electronic books, downloaded for $6-$10 max.

Check out Amazon.

[Bobby Sinn]

:lol::lol::lol:

Seriously, have you seen these new electronic book readers. My missus got one for Christmas, amazing.

Electronic books, downloaded for $6-$10 max.

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Fuck mate!!! What can I not say.. lmao.. Ya missus got an electronic 'book reader'?? Since when did they not use batteries?? :rofl:rofl

Ok... seriously... Thanks for the laugh. I'm still laughing!!

Right!! Be mature Tony!! Contendo, I don't have the 'amazon' thingy..

[Contendo]

Fuck mate!!! What can I not say.. lmao.. Ya missus got an electronic 'book reader'?? Since when did they not use batteries?? :rofl:rofl

Ok... seriously... Thanks for the laugh. I'm still laughing!!

Right!! Be mature Tony!! Contendo, I don't have the 'amazon' thingy..

:lol::lol::lol: I've only just got it as I read it back to myself!

You know I meant you cunt!!! :lol::lol::lol:

[Contendo]

I'm out of here boys. Unfortunately got to work tomorrow!

Cheers.

[Bobby Sinn]

:lol::lol::lol: I've only just got it as I read it back to myself!

You know I meant you cunt!!! :lol::lol::lol:

You're a cunt of a reader!!! Phe[Only registered and activated users can see links]!!!!!!!!!!:dead

C.. I'll keep an eye out for the book mate. :good

[one in a million]

Hurricane - The Miraculous Journey Of Rubin Carter.


It's a good read so far and has some really good pics inside, pge 173 pic is awesome.

[Bobby Sinn]

It's a good read so far and has some really good pics inside, pge 173 pic is awesome.

Is the centerspread on page 173 named 'Hurricane Katrina'???

[one in a million]

No but kinda close...


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[Bobby Sinn]

Wow.. looks like Bob Dylan and Jack Johnson..

Was Dylan in jail?? :)

[one in a million]

Dunno DH but it's a pretty good photo I reckon.

Anyway bigshot what book are you reading right now...the fist maybe.

[ipswich express]

That photograph is actually "staged". Rubin isn't behind bars there, but they wanted to photograph Bob with him in that kind of situation.

[ipswich express]

I just finished reading this... An absolutely brilliant read. Would recommend it, especially to those who love their old school boxers. The recounting of his wars with Greb and Dempsey are fantastic.

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[one in a million]

That photograph is actually "staged". Rubin isn't behind bars there, but they wanted to photograph Bob with him in that kind of situation.


It say's that in the book, I like the photo.

I knew the song but not all the story in detail, now that I have some time to myself i'm enjoying the read.

[Bobby Sinn]

Dunno DH but it's a pretty good photo I reckon.

Anyway bigshot what book are you reading right now...the fist maybe.

DH??

I've just finished reading a current best seller....

"Fisting Encounters- A One in a Million Experience"

[teke]

DH??

I've just finished reading a current best seller....

"Fisting Encounters- A One in a Million Experience"Im guessing DH = dickhead

You 2 need to get a room

[20a87]

Obviously the best is "the man" by daniel lane and mundine. Four kings was decent, muhammed ali in my own words was great, sugar ray robinson's made himself sound bad and was fairly uninteresting.

Paul briggs' book was ok up until he goes all soft at the end and finds god and pies off boxing although I would love a sequel on his hard fought war with danny green.

No ordinary joe is ok too.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Recently finished 'Axis of Greatness' by Mike Winters.

Mainly focusses on Angelo Dundee, and particularly his association with Ali & SRL.

Very good read - particularly as it came out of the $10 bin.

[Contendo]

I'm currently reading Angelo Dundee's biography - 'My view from the Corner' with Bert Sugar.

Not a bad read. :good

[Rise Above]

I just finished reading this... An absolutely brilliant read. Would recommend it, especially to those who love their old school boxers. The recounting of his wars with Greb and Dempsey are fantastic.

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I've read this one before and its one of the best books I've read.

[TCboxa]

The best book i read in 2010 was Johnny Lewis: The Biography by Paul Kent and Johnny Lewis

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[TCboxa]

Danny's book's called: 'CLOSED FISTS‚ OPEN HEART'

Read it the first time in 3 or 4 days, and it's excellent. Just picked it up at the weekend for a second reading.

If you want to have a good laugh then buy this book, it is full of hypocrisy and at times makes you just shake your head in dissbelief. He comes across as a nice bloke, very diplomatic and few bad words to say about anyone, an honest hard working man that will not shy away from ANY challange and will give it his all every time he steps into the ring. It sounds really great but its the complete opposite to what Danny Green is doing today.

Paul Briggs book was a tone better than Dannys dribble, Paul didnt hold back and gave some very grim storys, Dannys book was a fairytale that he is still living in today, Wake the fck up Danny! fight a real crusierweight you fake champion of Perth IBO :lol:

CHB wouldnt know his arse from his elbow so its not a suprize he enjoyed Dannys dribble and made no comparision of what Danny said back then and what he is doing today. Wonders if he actually read the book or just jacked off over the pics of Danny lol :hey

[SexualPanda]

Just purchased Pacquiao's biography simply titled "Pacman". Haven't finished it yet but so far it's a really good read. A bit difficult to find but I managed to it at a specialist sports book store.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

If you want to have a good laugh then buy this book, it is full of hypocrisy and at times makes you just shake your head in dissbelief. He comes across as a nice bloke, very diplomatic and few bad words to say about anyone, an honest hard working man that will not shy away from ANY challange and will give it his all every time he steps into the ring. It sounds really great but its the complete opposite to what Danny Green is doing today.

Paul Briggs book was a tone better than Dannys dribble, Paul didnt hold back and gave some very grim storys, Dannys book was a fairytale that he is still living in today, Wake the fck up Danny! fight a real crusierweight you fake champion of Perth IBO :lol:

CHB wouldnt know his arse from his elbow so its not a suprize he enjoyed Dannys dribble and made no comparision of what Danny said back then and what he is doing today. Wonders if he actually read the book or just jacked off over the pics of Danny lol :hey


There certainly never been any doubt you're an absolute tosser Ty.

Danny Green would be absolutely delighted to know you took the time out to read his book too m8 - or did your mum have to read it to you?

[20a87]

If you want to have a good laugh then buy this book, it is full of hypocrisy and at times makes you just shake your head in dissbelief. He comes across as a nice bloke, very diplomatic and few bad words to say about anyone, an honest hard working man that will not shy away from ANY challange and will give it his all every time he steps into the ring. It sounds really great but its the complete opposite to what Danny Green is doing today.

Paul Briggs book was a tone better than Dannys dribble, Paul didnt hold back and gave some very grim storys, Dannys book was a fairytale that he is still living in today, Wake the fck up Danny! fight a real crusierweight you fake champion of Perth IBO :lol:

CHB wouldnt know his arse from his elbow so its not a suprize he enjoyed Dannys dribble and made no comparision of what Danny said back then and what he is doing today. Wonders if he actually read the book or just jacked off over the pics of Danny lol :hey

:lol::lol::lol:

Did you not find briggs became weak in his story at the time when he needed to be a destroyer?

Did green's book go into the mundine loss and if so what did he say?

[TCboxa]

Im still reading Greens book m8. And i think Briggs fizzled out a bit as thats his story, i enjoyed reading about his past and the fact he was so upfront and honest with telling his story. Greens book on the other hand is full of lies and backslapping. I will have another look today and check out what he says about mundine.

[vinscay]

Try the Wally Carr book, a great insiteful read. a view from my corner by Angelo Dundee, beyond Glory, about the Louis v Max Schmelling.

[one in a million]

Tunney I will have a look next visit to the bookshop.

Who was the boxer that use to ride underneath trains and chew on bark to strengthen his jaw?

Fighters By Trade was a good book, can't remember who recommended it tho.

Off topic a tad...

Mafia Enforcer by Cecil Kirby & Thomas Renner was a great read along with A Wayward Angel a good insight into the Hells Angels distructive lifestyle.

[Bobby Sinn]

Jack Dempsey...

[one in a million]

Ahh yes page 114...

Dempsey had always loved to fight. "At the age of eleven." he later recalled, "I was preparing to be a prizefighter". From that time on, he'd bathed his face and hands in beef brine to toughen them up and chewed resin from pine trees in the belief that it would strengthen his jaw.

Tunney will be my next read.

[Bobby Sinn]

You're welcome.....

[TCboxa]

thank you

[one in a million]

You're welcome.....

thank you Sin Bin at least now you're being sensible.

[Bobby Sinn]

thank you Sin Bin at least now you're being sensible.

You're welcome horse head.


































































































































































































































I'm joking. You're welcome.

[LeonMcS]

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[one in a million]

Ahh yes page 114...

Dempsey had always loved to fight. "At the age of eleven." he later recalled, "I was preparing to be a prizefighter". From that time on, he'd bathed his face and hands in beef brine to toughen them up and chewed resin from pine trees in the belief that it would strengthen his jaw.

Tunney will be my next read.

Tunney will have to wait, I've just started reading The Lester Ellis story Fighting the Demons...love the bits on Keiths pranks, cheeky bugger...

[woftam1]

Tunney will have to wait, I've just started reading The Lester Ellis story Fighting the Demons...love the bits on Keiths pranks, cheeky bugger...


Is that written by Robert Drane

[Super_Fly_Sam]

Can't rememeber if i already said this in this thread or not but..

My Longest Round, Life Story Of Wally Carr... top read. written in a easy to read way. just as if someone was spinning a yarn and telling the story to you instead of u reading it.

[one in a million]

Is that written by Robert Drane


Yes.

[NickHow1982]

I'm currently reading - Iron Mike: A Mike Tyson Reader.

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A book made up of a collections of articles, but put in chronological order. Halfway through, and very good so far.

Also just re-read Nigel Benn's autobiography, great read, hugely honest and at times very sad.
Anyone read either?

[one in a million]

Mike has moved on to pigeons, Lester is closer to home.

[jase29]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but the best book on boxing I have ever read was "The Sweet Science" by AJ Liebling.
Old book but great read.