Tommy Morrison aiming for Aust title in 2009??

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

In accepting his award as Australian Boxing Promoter of the Year, Peter Maniatis said he was looking at bringing former WBO Heavyweight champion Tommy ‘The Duke’ Morrison to Australia, and promote Morrison, aiming at the Australian heavy weight title.

Morrison 39, is 48-3-2 with 42 KO's.

[LeonMcS]

I seriously doubt that his status as HIV positive would see him allowed into the country, least of all to box.

[Bentchassis]

haha I know that's pretty sad but I would love top see that happen. Love The Duke though from all reports he's reduced to a shadow of his former self.

he could fight Forsyth, where's old kronky

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I seriously doubt that his status as HIV positive would see him allowed into the country, least of all to box.

Manny's a talker. But I doubt he be going out on a limb unless he thought the Aids barrier (assuming Morrison ever had it, still has it etc) couldn't be overcome....time will tell.

[WhataRock]

ozziebattler will cream his pants if this happens....Leon is on the money though.

[toppity]

This can't happen. Even our stupid officials are not that stupid. There is not enough insurance left in Australia to cover theat fight.

[bushboy]

Depending on which story you read, his status as beng HIV positive is very cloudy.
I read one in which a 'doctor' said although he had tested positive previously it seemed to have disappeared from his system.

I doubt anyone would fight him for the aussie title anyway, with what you would have to pay tommy morrison how much would be left in the purse for the poor guy who is going to get his lights punched out?

[the beaver]

Depending on which story you read, his status as beng HIV positive is very cloudy.
I read one in which a 'doctor' said although he had tested positive previously it seemed to have disappeared from his system.

I doubt anyone would fight him for the aussie title anyway, with what you would have to pay tommy morrison how much would be left in the purse for the poor guy who is going to get his lights punched out?

HIV doesn't just disappear :patsch

[WhataRock]

HIV doesn't just disappear :patsch


Maybe it was never there in the first place...I actually do remember reading the test result was like a false positive or a true negative or something like that...I have no idea what that means by the way.

[Marcus]

Maybe it was never there in the first place...I actually do remember reading the test result was like a false positive or a true negative or something like that...I have no idea what that means by the way.


Gonzo would know, isnt he a doctor with aids :huh

[the beaver]

Maybe it was never there in the first place...I actually do remember reading the test result was like a false positive or a true negative or something like that...I have no idea what that means by the way.

This is correct, meaning he was falsely diagnosed with it in the first instance.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

This is correct, meaning he was falsely diagnosed with it in the first instance.

Assuming he is clean and able to get in with Hoppa, Forsyth, Haumono, Briggs etc....what's the feeling as to how the 39 year old Duke, assumed by many to be washed-up, would fare??

[Marcus]

Assuming he is clean and able to get in with Hoppa, Forsyth, Haumono, Briggs etc....what's the feeling as to how the 39 year old Duke, assumed by many to be washed-up, would fare??


Shit, he is way past it and would get beaten by Hoppa.

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[Jambo]

Morrison even so far past prime and out of shape would probably massacare most of the current Aussie heavyweights.

Nasty Boy vs The Duke would be fun. Two chinny punchers.

[ipswich express]

I think the problem would be his criminal record more than anything. I agree with ya Jambo. I reckon Briggs v Seldon would be fun too.

[Willy Bonka]

I know I'm going to get SH!T for this one,
...but why not have a Boxing event in 2009 featuring some "old school" Heavies, that might actually bring in some $$$, and the title could be "42 KOs";

David "Tuaman" Tua( 49-3-1-42KO ) age: 36
vs
Shannon "The Cannon" Briggs( 48-5-1-42KO ) age: 37

Tommy "The Duke" Morrison( 48-3-1-42KO ) age: 39
vs
Riddick "Big Daddy" Bowe( 43-1 33KO ) age: ...almost 42

??? :deal

[JOSEY WALES]

I know I'm going to get SH!T for this one,
...but why not have a Boxing event in 2009 featuring some "old school" Heavies, that might actually bring in some $$$, and the title could be "42 KOs";

David "Tuaman" Tua( 49-3-1-42KO ) age: 36
vs
Shannon "The Cannon" Briggs( 48-5-1-42KO ) age: 37

Tommy "The Duke" Morrison( 48-3-1-42KO ) age: 39
vs
Riddick "Big Daddy" Bowe( 43-1 33KO ) age: ...almost 42

??? :deal
Would you fight Tommy ?

[flamengo]

I seriously doubt that his status as HIV positive would see him allowed into the country, least of all to box.

The fact he has HIV doesnt mean his visa will be revoked. The nature of the disease is not grounds for refual of entry. I say this with the knowledge that treatment is offered to foreigners, whilst in the country under a tourists visa, who suffer hiv.

His ability of gaining a visa, enableing him to pursue any financial interests via the sport will be interesting...

The ABF allowing him to fight will have to based on medical opinions, greed and finding a clown silly enough to fight him.

Who would be a serious threat??? Hoppa?? For a few rounds perhaps... but Morrison could absorb the best of Hoppa.
Meehan??? I wonder.
Sol?? No fkn way.
Dean Waters?? :rofl

[ipswich express]

Meehan would pound the absolute shit out of Tommy at this point. It's not 1993 anymore lads.

[LeonMcS]

True, its still 1985 here in WA.

[flamengo]

Meehan would pound the absolute shit out of Tommy at this point. It's not 1993 anymore lads.

hence "I wonder"

[maco_187]

True, its still 1985 here in WA.
still ahead of tasmania, they just discovered man walked on the moon, lol

[pecks]

The ABF allowing him to fight will have to based on medical opinions, greed and finding a clown silly enough to fight him.

It's a lot harder to catch HIV than you think. The virus inside the blood needs a certain temperature in order to survive. The fight scene in Degrassi Jnr High between Joey and Dwayne carried all unwarranted panic. You'd be extremely unfortunate to catch HIV through a clash of cut heads, etc.
I mean, it's not uncommon for men to have unprotected sex with female carriers of the disease and not catch it.
Still, it's HIV, and I can understand why people would want nothing to do with a someone carrying it.

[WhataRock]

It's a lot harder to catch HIV than you think. The virus inside the blood needs a certain temperature in order to survive. The fight scene in Degrassi Jnr High between Joey and Dwayne carried all unwarranted panic. You'd be extremely unfortunate to catch HIV through a clash of cut heads, etc.
I mean, it's not uncommon for men to have unprotected sex with female carriers of the disease and not catch it.
Still, it's HIV, and I can understand why people would want nothing to do with a someone carrying it.


:lol:

Ol Degrassi...great stuff...remember when that ugly twin went to get an abortion?

[Marcus]

still ahead of tasmania, they just discovered man walked on the moon, lol


:-( :-( :-( :-(

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

:fire :fire :fire :fire

[ipswich express]

hence "I wonder"

Hence me stating my opinion and not ripping you to shreds...

[Anenigma]

In accepting his award as Australian Boxing Promoter of the Year, Peter Maniatis said he was looking at bringing former WBO Heavyweight champion Tommy ‘The Duke’ Morrison to Australia, and promote Morrison, aiming at the Australian heavy weight title.

Morrison 39, is 48-3-2 with 42 KO's.

Why would Tommy Morrison want to come to Australia?
He is not a big enough name here to generate half the money he would make on a B grade show in the states, add to that airfaires and expenses and it's just not viable.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Why would Tommy Morrison want to come to Australia? He is not a big enough name here to generate half the money he would make on a B grade show in the states, add to that airfaires and expenses and it's just not viable.

Maybe???

Though there's not huge boxing money available here, there may well be less over there for him. He gave MMA a go, so he's probably short of a quid.

Here, he'd be a novelty. We don't get many quality heavyweights visit, even ones at or past their useby date.

[ozziebattler]

In accepting his award as Australian Boxing Promoter of the Year, Peter Maniatis said he was looking at bringing former WBO Heavyweight champion Tommy ‘The Duke’ Morrison to Australia, and promote Morrison, aiming at the Australian heavy weight title.

Morrison 39, is 48-3-2 with 42 KO's.


My penis is out awaiting his arrival..lol...

Even with aids Tommy would only need a decent training camp to flatten any of our heavies..

I watched him in a cage fight on youtube from earlier this year..He can still move and his left hook definetly hasnt left him..Yes he was fighting a fat no hoper but the signs of his former boxing talent were there.

He is a little skinnier and a shitload older and uglier then his glory years but i would still pay serious cash to watch him vs Hoppa etc...

[ozziebattler]

ozziebattler will cream his pants if this happens....Leon is on the money though.


Spot on there...And you are allowed in the country if you carry and serious illnesses etc..You just have to let the authorities know before arrival..

I remember this African bloke from around my way had aids and the authorities knew though the bloke was banging heaps of whitechicks without a rubber and now they have aids or atleast Hiv positive..Ruined alot of lives.

You will be surprised by how many of these foriegners this country lets in have serious diseases...Pick your cunt wisely boys...

[Marcus]

Morrison headed to Australia!
By Ray Wheatley -- World of Boxing
Victorian Promoter Peter Maniatis informed Fightnews that he will be bringing former WBO Heavyweight champion Tommy “The Duke” Morrison to Australia for a Black Tie Dinner Night at the Powerhouse in Albert Park on Friday April 17. The Dinner will raise funds for the Tommy Morrison HIV-AIDS KO Drugs Foundation. Maniatis says Morrison and his partner Lisa Wood will arrive on April 1st and will attend the Bob Rose Cup on April 3 at the Malvern Town Hall.
Thursday, December 18 2008

[bushboy]

I believe people with Hiv/Aids Should be excluded from entry into australia on a permanent or holiday basis- This land we live in is lucky to have a low HIV positive rate however is on the rise every year.
When considering some areas of africa have a 1 in 3 rate of people with aids there needs to be heavy restrictions placed on these reigons

[WhataRock]

I believe people with Hiv/Aids Should be excluded from entry into australia on a permanent or holiday basis- This land we live in is lucky to have a low HIV positive rate however is on the rise every year.
When considering some areas of africa have a 1 in 3 rate of people with aids there needs to be heavy restrictions placed on these reigons

Sounds slack but I agree...but we should pump some more cash into finding a cure and better preventative measures for the poor bastards.

After watching Border Patrol you get a better appreciation for how important it is to keep stuff out of Oz.

Rabies has apparently hit Bali...Australia is one of the few countries in the world without it, it would be nice to keep it that way.

[ipswich express]

Talk about being discriminative... It'd never get off the ground anyway.

[TheDuke]

Damn

[bushboy]

Talk about being discriminative... It'd never get off the ground anyway.

Mate discrimination has nothing to do with it just as the virus does not discriminate.
I'm sure that there have been hundreds of cases of what Ozziebattler has stated happen in Australia and every victim of HIV is someones Daughter/Son/Brother/Mother.
Whatarock is right, more research should be done in order to prevent and cure this disease, However i fear that there is more money for the pharmacutical companies to produce drugs which keep HIV patients alive and relatively well rather then attempting to fix the problem.

Of course it will never get off the ground, this country is too politically correct.

[ipswich express]

You're aware of course that people who knowingly spread a disease are guilty of a serious crime? If Battler's story is spot on, which it well could be, the bloke would be behind bars. I'm not saying he's not already...

Ok, what happens to the likes of Pecks who's rooting Japanese whores like they're going out of fashion (and good luck to him!). Does he come back in if he picks something up?

What about the thousands of people who have HIV but don't know it? How do you police it? If it's as simple as ticking a box at customs for those that knowingly have it, how many people who know there's a good chance of dying in a year or whatever, will admit to having it?

Unless of course we make them wear a blue and white uniform with a star of David on it :)

[leati]

Leapai vs Morrison + HIV = no thank you......hoppa can have him,hoppa can give him an aussie FINGERING welcome.

[ozziebattler]

My man Morrison would ass rape and fist fuck Leapai all within a few rounds..No Aussie heavyweight could handle his Lefthook..Plain and simple..

So Tommy Morrison aint going to visit sydney??I really wanted to take him out to some of our finer establishments...Penrith Panthers to start things off with a few loose moral local muffin. followed by Possibly Scruffy Muphys for a few foreign whores..

Both venues would also give Morrison the punching practice he would need..He could lefthook his way through the dancefloor.

[Texan Joe]

Leapai vs Morrison + HIV = no thank you......hoppa can have him,hoppa can give him an aussie FINGERING welcome.

John Stopafarty!:yep

[Bentchassis]

My man Morrison would ass rape and fist fuck Leapai all within a few rounds..No Aussie heavyweight could handle his Lefthook..Plain and simple..

So Tommy Morrison aint going to visit sydney??I really wanted to take him out to some of our finer establishments...Penrith Panthers to start things off with a few loose moral local muffin. followed by Possibly Scruffy Muphys for a few foreign whores..

Both venues would also give Morrison the punching practice he would need..He could lefthook his way through the dancefloor.

07E4ps4mkXw

There you go mate:good

[Rise Above]

I really wanted to take him out to some of our finer establishments...Penrith Panthers to start things off with a few loose moral local muffin. followed by Possibly Scruffy Muphys for a few foreign whores..


:lol::lol:

Penny Panthers the place to be.

[ozziebattler]

07E4ps4mkXw

There you go mate:good


Best left hook in the business..

I remember when he was getting beatdown by Lewis and the doctor wanted to stop it after the 5th Tommy said no doc i still got my lefthook.lol...

Wasted talent though..26 year old and still learning...But couldnt keep his tommy gun away from dirty girls...

[ozziebattler]

:lol::lol:

Penny Panthers the place to be.


Was there about month ago..Soon as i got there i remembered why i dont go there anymore.lol...

Not bad if you are looking for a biff or some loose muff...lol

[teke]

Tommy is only 39? Jesus i thought he would be older.

He was seen to have a shaky chin but boy didnt he get in some good scraps.

[Rise Above]

Was there about month ago..Soon as i got there i remembered why i dont go there anymore.lol...

Not bad if you are looking for a biff or some loose muff...lol


:lol:

Every time I go there I end up in a blue. Unfortunately the loose muff doesnt come my way. :verysad

[ozziebattler]

:lol:

Every time I go there I end up in a blue. Unfortunately the loose muff doesnt come my way. :verysad


Thats because though its there to be had the muff requires abit of effort where as the fights kind of find you at good ol panthers.lol...

Only in the mecca venue for western sydney fuckwits can this occur so frequently..lol..

Im probably off to Albion Hotel in parra 2moro night..Might hit up some nice arab bitches.lol...Or atleast try...

[leati]

John Stopafarty!:yep:lol:

[bushboy]

You're aware of course that people who knowingly spread a disease are guilty of a serious crime? If Battler's story is spot on, which it well could be, the bloke would be behind bars. I'm not saying he's not already...

Ok, what happens to the likes of Pecks who's rooting Japanese whores like they're going out of fashion (and good luck to him!). Does he come back in if he picks something up?

What about the thousands of people who have HIV but don't know it? How do you police it? If it's as simple as ticking a box at customs for those that knowingly have it, how many people who know there's a good chance of dying in a year or whatever, will admit to having it?

Unless of course we make them wear a blue and white uniform with a star of David on it :)

Yes, I am aware that it is a serious offence, however just as person will be locked up for 20 years for murder-The damage is already done, Also what is the good of putting another HIV infected person in our Jail system where the risks of catching an infectious disease are much greater? Prevention is the only answer when there is no cure ippy.
Also, I wasnt giving a 10 point detailed plan on how something like this would be implemented was I? I was simply putting forward the simplest solution to keeping something like this from increasing in Aus.

I think your inclusion of the 'Star of David' Comment is an attempt to over dramatise what i have said, Keeping infected people out of our lucky country or restricting the number allowed in is in no way on a par with genocide. Nice try though

[ipswich express]

My comment was basically an example of how it could never work...

[ozziebattler]

Hey hey boys lets not get sidetracked...please focus on discussing about Tommy Morrison..

I know its hard for us in the oz forum to stay on topic but this deserves 100% commitment..

[ipswich express]

Yeah you're right... another juiced up bitch bites the dust... :lol:

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[ipswich express]

But wait there's more...

nu9nzeTOA-M

[teke]

Another one will get dusted this weekend

[ipswich express]

Another one will get dusted this weekend

Keep grasping Teke....

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[ipswich express]

New York Times...

Holyfield, 46, Will Soon Fight for His Fifth Title

By MIKE TIERNEY
Published: December 16, 2008


Evander Holyfield: dedicated or delusional? Courageous or crazy? At 46, he does not care what boxing fans think. For those urging him to get a life or to find normalcy, whether out of care and concern for him or simply the desire to shove the doyen off boxing’s stage, he says: “I have respect for that. But that’s just your opinion. I have an opinion, too.”

His opinion holds that he has one good bout left, maybe more, in his still sculptured body. He will try to summon it Saturday in Zurich in a match with Nikolai Valuev, a 7-foot Russian.

At stake is the World Boxing Association heavyweight belt. Holyfield would buckle it around a waist that has barely expanded since he won his first professional title, in 1990. This would be Holyfield’s fifth heavyweight title, extending his record and distinguishing him as the eldest to reclaim a championship. He would surpass George Foreman, who did it against Michael Moorer at age 45 in 1994.

Holyfield insists such a distinction is not driving him to squeeze the last sweat drops out of his vocation. Nor is it money, even though he is sitting on an incredibly shrinking nest egg. Nor is it about pride or re-establishing his name, no small feat for someone so far removed from fame, other than for his “Dancing With the Stars” gig, that Google Earth would be hard-pressed to find him.

This fight, he attests, is about imparting a continuous lesson in perseverance to his 11 children, particularly the eldest.

Evander Jr. was 8 in 1992 when his father pondered retirement, after he lost a unanimous decision to Riddick Bowe for the undisputed heavyweight title. “My son couldn’t stop crying about it,” said Holyfield, who decided to soldier on because bowing out would have sent the wrong parental signal. “Scared the daylights out of me.”

Seven years later, Holyfield, battling illness as well as Lennox Lewis, considered leaving the ring in the middle of a bout until he spotted Junior in the arena and changed his mind, he said, cringing at the notion of the namesake someday hearing, “You’re going to be just like your daddy and quit under pressure.”

Two daughters recently beseeched him to abandon the sport. He listened, then told them: “I control my life. I make my decisions. I wouldn’t be wasting my time doing something I don’t think I can do.”

Holyfield has parried hooks and thrown uppercuts since he was 8, when a coach at an Alabama boys’ club implanted the dream that he could someday rule the heavyweight division. A career beset by physical hardships and pockmarked by bizarre incidents has left him unfazed. His longevity is a product of rolling with the punches, not only the sort delivered by a gloved fist.

One bout was interrupted when Mike Tyson’s teeth removed a chunk of his ear. Another was halted when a paraglider dropped into the ring. He had fights put off when an opponent had hepatitis and another was imprisoned for rape.

His physician informed him he had a hole in his heart in 1994, prompting the faith healer Benny Hinn to lay hands on him at a revival. (Mayo Clinic doctors later concluded the defect never existed.) The New York State Athletic Commission suspended his license after a loss stemming from a shoulder ailment. Foreshadowing the challenges and oddities was his disqualification for a supposed late punch in the 1984 Olympics, which cost him a shot at a gold medal.

Holyfield, whose ability to be calm in the swirl of chaos may be his greatest strength, has never lost his mojo.

There was the time Lewis accused him of hypocrisy for pledging to Christianity while fathering several children out of wedlock. How did he vent? By predicting a third-round knockout of Lewis (the bout ended in a draw). Holyfield said that the uncharacteristic boasting was uncalled for.

Retirement has not tugged hard on Holyfield, the rare fighter who relishes training. Inspirational gospel music blares through the gym, Holyfield singing along as he endures the mind- and body-numbing ritual of prepping for his fights.

At his camp in Houston, he skips rope and attacks the punching bag to the beat of his favorite tunes collected over two decades, each song remindful of a milestone bout.

He admits to the aches and pains inescapable with creeping age, and he may cancel a session or cut one short.

“I’m not doing what I used to do, trying to burn it every day,” he said. “My body don’t recover as fast.”

In his glory days Holyfield said that he sought divine help only on the day of a bout. Now, he summons his Lord to deliver him through training sessions. “I’m paying a superprice,” he said, “because I want it at this age.”

Besides, motivation “is hard when the money hasn’t been big for quite a while,” said Tim Hallmark, his fitness adviser and nutritionist for all but one fight in the past 23 years.

Holyfield will collect $600,000 to $750,000 against Valuev, spare change for someone with career earnings of more than $200 million, including $35 million for one memorable night with Tyson. The payday for Saturday, though modest by boxing standards, calls into question whether money needs have trapped Holyfield inside the ropes.

Two months ago he faced possible jail time when support payments lagged for his 11-year-old son. Holyfield, now remarried, reached an agreement amid estimates that he spends $500,000 a year in child support.

Last summer foreclosure papers were drawn up and an auction scheduled for his mansion, with its 17 bathrooms and 3 kitchens, on 235 acres of rolling hills south of Atlanta. Ken Sanders, serving as Holyfield’s financial adviser, acknowledged that Holyfield nearly lost his home and toyed with the idea of filing for personal bankruptcy.

“It’s a little tough for him right now,” said Sanders, who served as Holyfield’s first fight manager and is filling the role again. “He’s got some situations we’re trying to straighten out. It’s going to take a little time.”

Sanders declined to offer details, citing possible litigation. Holyfield blamed former associates, whom he accused of gaining power of attorney and borrowing against the value of the property. “It set me back,” Holyfield said, “but everything is good now.”

He added: “If I had a hundred million dollars, two hundred million, I would still fight because I have a goal.”

His goal, to retrieve all three recognized heavyweight crowns by the close of 2009, seems as pie in the sky as a peach praline in heaven.

Since 2001, Holyfield (42-9-2, 27 knockouts) is 6-4-1, mostly against little-known fighters. In his last bout, last year, he was hammered by Sultan Ibragimov. Many who embrace the sport fear Holyfield is not just tarnishing his legacy but stripping off every last bit of paint.

“People say: ‘You ain’t thinking. It’s your ego,’ ” Holyfield said.

Holyfield, who is vastly more popular in China and other countries than he is here, took a jab at the United States: “It’s a sin to get old. People stop respecting you. I know how it’s supposed to end for me as a boxer. And that’s to be on top.”

Hallmark, the fitness trainer, says he is confident Holyfield’s career will not end in an ambulance.

“If I felt Evander wasn’t physically capable of fighting, I would be the first to say that,” Hallmark said. “I haven’t seen anything that concerns me.”

Hallmark tailors Holyfield’s regimen with his client’s advancing age and his opponent in mind. For Valuev (49-1, 34 knockouts), who presents unique obstacles with his height, Holyfield’s strength training has been subjugated by conditioning. Avoiding injury is the top priority. “We have to be wise working him,” Hallmark said.

Hallmark has reeled in Holyfield’s wayward dietary habits, weaning his pupil off bean, milk and corn products, in deference to his Type A blood.

The specter of steroid use hangs over any athlete in Holyfield’s demographic, more so because his name appeared on a customer list of a company that was investigated for the illegal sale of performance-boosting drugs. Holyfield was quoted last year saying that he consumed a drug in 2004 to address “my hormonal problem,” but that neither it nor any other substance he has ingested is banned by boxing.

Hallmark recalled Holyfield’s disclosure that he had rebuffed encouragement from “people” to sample steroids. A few years ago Hallmark arranged for what he described as thorough blood tests, paid for by the fighter, that he said confirmed his long-held belief that Holyfield is clean.

“From what I’ve seen, Evander has never taken anything illegally to enhance his performance,” he said, adding: “I worked with one steroid user, a football player. The day I found out, I threw him out of the gym” and severed relationships.

“He just don’t age,” Sanders said of Holyfield. “He amazes me.”

Home briefly for the Thanksgiving holiday, Holyfield leapt from a chair and demonstrated how he would attack his imposing foe: moving, jabbing, working inside to negate Valuev’s long reach.

“I know people look at this as a freak show,” he said: the old man and the sea monster.

To those critics, he spouts personalized maxims about swimming against the tide of public opinion and likens himself to President-elect Barack Obama and the Wright brothers.

“This country is built on proving you can do it,” he said. To heck with prevailing sentiment: “I came up on the wrong side of the tracks, so nobody ever believed in me anyway.”

Asked if he could retire, forever, after one more night in the ring, Holyfield sat in unusual silence, kicked the question around, and said maybe. “Losing is quitting,” he said.

He won’t go away. Not without a fight, or three.

[teke]

Keep grasping Teke....

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[ozziebattler]

Yeah you're right... another juiced up bitch bites the dust... :lol:

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Being ko'd by Mercer aint anything to be ashamed of..Mercer at the time was a former olympic gold and one of the best around..Was robbed against Lewis in my opinion..

Tommy the idiot was all over Mercer like a rash but bang one punch and then the next 3000 and goodnight Tommy..Mercer had a granite chin at the time.Took some mass shots from the duke..

[teke]

New York Times...

Holyfield, 46, Will Soon Fight for His Fifth Title

By MIKE TIERNEY
Published: December 16, 2008


Evander Holyfield: dedicated or delusional? Courageous or crazy? At 46, he does not care what boxing fans think. For those urging him to get a life or to find normalcy, whether out of care and concern for him or simply the desire to shove the doyen off boxing’s stage, he says: “I have respect for that. But that’s just your opinion. I have an opinion, too.”

His opinion holds that he has one good bout left, maybe more, in his still sculptured body. He will try to summon it Saturday in Zurich in a match with Nikolai Valuev, a 7-foot Russian.

At stake is the World Boxing Association heavyweight belt. Holyfield would buckle it around a waist that has barely expanded since he won his first professional title, in 1990. This would be Holyfield’s fifth heavyweight title, extending his record and distinguishing him as the eldest to reclaim a championship. He would surpass George Foreman, who did it against Michael Moorer at age 45 in 1994.

Holyfield insists such a distinction is not driving him to squeeze the last sweat drops out of his vocation. Nor is it money, even though he is sitting on an incredibly shrinking nest egg. Nor is it about pride or re-establishing his name, no small feat for someone so far removed from fame, other than for his “Dancing With the Stars” gig, that Google Earth would be hard-pressed to find him.

This fight, he attests, is about imparting a continuous lesson in perseverance to his 11 children, particularly the eldest.

Evander Jr. was 8 in 1992 when his father pondered retirement, after he lost a unanimous decision to Riddick Bowe for the undisputed heavyweight title. “My son couldn’t stop crying about it,” said Holyfield, who decided to soldier on because bowing out would have sent the wrong parental signal. “Scared the daylights out of me.”

Seven years later, Holyfield, battling illness as well as Lennox Lewis, considered leaving the ring in the middle of a bout until he spotted Junior in the arena and changed his mind, he said, cringing at the notion of the namesake someday hearing, “You’re going to be just like your daddy and quit under pressure.”

Two daughters recently beseeched him to abandon the sport. He listened, then told them: “I control my life. I make my decisions. I wouldn’t be wasting my time doing something I don’t think I can do.”

Holyfield has parried hooks and thrown uppercuts since he was 8, when a coach at an Alabama boys’ club implanted the dream that he could someday rule the heavyweight division. A career beset by physical hardships and pockmarked by bizarre incidents has left him unfazed. His longevity is a product of rolling with the punches, not only the sort delivered by a gloved fist.

One bout was interrupted when Mike Tyson’s teeth removed a chunk of his ear. Another was halted when a paraglider dropped into the ring. He had fights put off when an opponent had hepatitis and another was imprisoned for rape.

His physician informed him he had a hole in his heart in 1994, prompting the faith healer Benny Hinn to lay hands on him at a revival. (Mayo Clinic doctors later concluded the defect never existed.) The New York State Athletic Commission suspended his license after a loss stemming from a shoulder ailment. Foreshadowing the challenges and oddities was his disqualification for a supposed late punch in the 1984 Olympics, which cost him a shot at a gold medal.

Holyfield, whose ability to be calm in the swirl of chaos may be his greatest strength, has never lost his mojo.

There was the time Lewis accused him of hypocrisy for pledging to Christianity while fathering several children out of wedlock. How did he vent? By predicting a third-round knockout of Lewis (the bout ended in a draw). Holyfield said that the uncharacteristic boasting was uncalled for.

Retirement has not tugged hard on Holyfield, the rare fighter who relishes training. Inspirational gospel music blares through the gym, Holyfield singing along as he endures the mind- and body-numbing ritual of prepping for his fights.

At his camp in Houston, he skips rope and attacks the punching bag to the beat of his favorite tunes collected over two decades, each song remindful of a milestone bout.

He admits to the aches and pains inescapable with creeping age, and he may cancel a session or cut one short.

“I’m not doing what I used to do, trying to burn it every day,” he said. “My body don’t recover as fast.”

In his glory days Holyfield said that he sought divine help only on the day of a bout. Now, he summons his Lord to deliver him through training sessions. “I’m paying a superprice,” he said, “because I want it at this age.”

Besides, motivation “is hard when the money hasn’t been big for quite a while,” said Tim Hallmark, his fitness adviser and nutritionist for all but one fight in the past 23 years.

Holyfield will collect $600,000 to $750,000 against Valuev, spare change for someone with career earnings of more than $200 million, including $35 million for one memorable night with Tyson. The payday for Saturday, though modest by boxing standards, calls into question whether money needs have trapped Holyfield inside the ropes.

Two months ago he faced possible jail time when support payments lagged for his 11-year-old son. Holyfield, now remarried, reached an agreement amid estimates that he spends $500,000 a year in child support.

Last summer foreclosure papers were drawn up and an auction scheduled for his mansion, with its 17 bathrooms and 3 kitchens, on 235 acres of rolling hills south of Atlanta. Ken Sanders, serving as Holyfield’s financial adviser, acknowledged that Holyfield nearly lost his home and toyed with the idea of filing for personal bankruptcy.

“It’s a little tough for him right now,” said Sanders, who served as Holyfield’s first fight manager and is filling the role again. “He’s got some situations we’re trying to straighten out. It’s going to take a little time.”

Sanders declined to offer details, citing possible litigation. Holyfield blamed former associates, whom he accused of gaining power of attorney and borrowing against the value of the property. “It set me back,” Holyfield said, “but everything is good now.”

He added: “If I had a hundred million dollars, two hundred million, I would still fight because I have a goal.”

His goal, to retrieve all three recognized heavyweight crowns by the close of 2009, seems as pie in the sky as a peach praline in heaven.

Since 2001, Holyfield (42-9-2, 27 knockouts) is 6-4-1, mostly against little-known fighters. In his last bout, last year, he was hammered by Sultan Ibragimov. Many who embrace the sport fear Holyfield is not just tarnishing his legacy but stripping off every last bit of paint.

“People say: ‘You ain’t thinking. It’s your ego,’ ” Holyfield said.

Holyfield, who is vastly more popular in China and other countries than he is here, took a jab at the United States: “It’s a sin to get old. People stop respecting you. I know how it’s supposed to end for me as a boxer. And that’s to be on top.”

Hallmark, the fitness trainer, says he is confident Holyfield’s career will not end in an ambulance.

“If I felt Evander wasn’t physically capable of fighting, I would be the first to say that,” Hallmark said. “I haven’t seen anything that concerns me.”

Hallmark tailors Holyfield’s regimen with his client’s advancing age and his opponent in mind. For Valuev (49-1, 34 knockouts), who presents unique obstacles with his height, Holyfield’s strength training has been subjugated by conditioning. Avoiding injury is the top priority. “We have to be wise working him,” Hallmark said.

Hallmark has reeled in Holyfield’s wayward dietary habits, weaning his pupil off bean, milk and corn products, in deference to his Type A blood.

The specter of steroid use hangs over any athlete in Holyfield’s demographic, more so because his name appeared on a customer list of a company that was investigated for the illegal sale of performance-boosting drugs. Holyfield was quoted last year saying that he consumed a drug in 2004 to address “my hormonal problem,” but that neither it nor any other substance he has ingested is banned by boxing.

Hallmark recalled Holyfield’s disclosure that he had rebuffed encouragement from “people” to sample steroids. A few years ago Hallmark arranged for what he described as thorough blood tests, paid for by the fighter, that he said confirmed his long-held belief that Holyfield is clean.

“From what I’ve seen, Evander has never taken anything illegally to enhance his performance,” he said, adding: “I worked with one steroid user, a football player. The day I found out, I threw him out of the gym” and severed relationships.

“He just don’t age,” Sanders said of Holyfield. “He amazes me.”

Home briefly for the Thanksgiving holiday, Holyfield leapt from a chair and demonstrated how he would attack his imposing foe: moving, jabbing, working inside to negate Valuev’s long reach.

“I know people look at this as a freak show,” he said: the old man and the sea monster.

To those critics, he spouts personalized maxims about swimming against the tide of public opinion and likens himself to President-elect Barack Obama and the Wright brothers.

“This country is built on proving you can do it,” he said. To heck with prevailing sentiment: “I came up on the wrong side of the tracks, so nobody ever believed in me anyway.”

Asked if he could retire, forever, after one more night in the ring, Holyfield sat in unusual silence, kicked the question around, and said maybe. “Losing is quitting,” he said.

He won’t go away. Not without a fight, or three.there you have it. Proof he wasnt a user :lol:

[ozziebattler]

I cant believe Holyfield pays up to half a mill in child support.Fuck me i hope he has invested well...

Whats the go with boxers struggling to tarp up..

[ipswich express]

there you have it. Proof he wasnt a user :lol:

Until you can come up with anything more concrete, I'll run with that thanks.


Admit it, you're just gutted you had to take down your Shane Mosley pictures down from behind the toilet door...

Then Roid Jones cops a pasting and Anthony has spent the past couple of years apparently trying to help the economy of South America... it must be frustrating...

[ipswich express]

Being ko'd by Mercer aint anything to be ashamed of..Mercer at the time was a former olympic gold and one of the best around..Was robbed against Lewis in my opinion..

Tommy the idiot was all over Mercer like a rash but bang one punch and then the next 3000 and goodnight Tommy..Mercer had a granite chin at the time.Took some mass shots from the duke..

I'm only having a dig. He was limited but fun to watch. If he had of kept his head on straight he could've been a whole lot better than he was. The Razor Ruddock fight was fun.

[teke]

Until you can come up with anything more concrete, I'll run with that thanks.


Admit it, you're just gutted you had to take down your Shane Mosley pictures down from behind the toilet door...

Then Roid Jones cops a pasting and Anthony has spent the past couple of years apparently trying to help the economy of South America... it must be frustrating...Bringing up Mosley, Roy and Mundine is just proof i touched a nerve with you :deal

[ipswich express]

I'm merely alluding to the fact that the best you can do is have a dig at a warrior with no basis for your allegations purely as a result of your heroes having a bad trot. As per the first line in my previous post directed to you...

[ozziebattler]

I'm only having a dig. He was limited but fun to watch. If he had of kept his head on straight he could've been a whole lot better than he was. The Razor Ruddock fight was fun.

If he could of slowed down his partying and banging broads he would of been retired say 4years ago with alot of cash,a few more brutal ko wins and losses..But with a better legacy i feel..

If the likes of Rahman ,Maskaev and bloody Ruiz could win world titles in the 2000's surely Morrison would of got a few more titles to add to the WBO..

Always loved his right uppercut follwed by lefthook combo..Use it myself.lol

[ipswich express]

I agree 100%. The 1990s is arguably the best decade for the Heavyweight division ever. Personally, I'd lean to the 1970s, but your assessment is correct.

I think Tommy would've been the victim of more highlight reel KO's and certainly would've delivered more himself. Sadly he couldn't keep himself out of trouble, and losing to Bentt is the worst pay day blowing fight I can remember.

[teke]

I'm merely alluding to the fact that the best you can do is have a dig at a warrior with no basis for your allegations purely as a result of your heroes having a bad trot. As per the first line in my previous post directed to you...i know

[ipswich express]

Thank you linesmen, thank you ball boys... :)

[teke]

haha no basis.

From day dot Holyfield has been suspected of using steriods. Light Heavyweight to Heavy champ of the world without missing a beat (:lol:)

No basis...
REPORT: HOLYFIELD USED ALIAS TO BUY STEROIDS

By BRIAN COSTELLO


March 2, 2007
No new names surfaced in the latest steroids investigation to make headlines, but former heavyweight champion Evander Holyfield was implicated further.
Sports Illustrated's Web site reported a patient of a Mobile, Ala., lab by the name of "Evan Fields" raised some suspicion among investigators. The so-called "Fields" shares the same birth date as Holyfield, has a similar address, and when reporters called the phone number associated with those prescriptions, Holyfield answered.
Holyfield on Wednesday vehemently denied ever using steroids.
Authorities are investigating a large Internet steroid production and distribution ring. The probe is being led by the Albany County (N.Y.) district attorney's office and is expected to produce up to two dozen arrests. Law enforcement officials raided Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday. Signature sold more than $10 million worth of illegal drugs in New York alone, according to investigators.
Holyfield has not been tied to Signature but to Applied Pharmacy in Alabama, which also is part of the investigation. According to SI.com, the 44-year-old former champion is believed to be "Evan Fields" by investigators. He allegedly picked up drugs from a private Georgia urologist, whose offices also were raided. Authorities traced the drugs to Applied in Mobile, Ala., which was raided last fall.
The Web site reports that in June 2004, an individual believed by investigators to be Holyfield picked up three vials of testosterone, two vials of the drug Glukor, and injection supplies. Then, less than a week later, he received five vials of human growth hormone (HGH) and related supplies.
Asked about his alleged involvement, Holyfield issued a statement through his promoter that said: "I do not use steroids. I have never used steroids."
Dr. Margaret Goodman, the chairman of the Nevada Athletic Commission's medical advisory board, said Holyfield never has failed a steroid test. She did say Holyfield was questioned about possible HGH use in 1994 when he suffered a heart condition. She said whenever a boxer has a heart problem, they are asked about steroid or HGH use. No accepted test exists to detect use of HGH.
"There was no test and he flat out denied it," Goodman said.
Major League Baseball plans on investigating the allegations that Angels outfielder Gary Matthews Jr. received performance-enhancing drugs from the Alabama lab.
"We're looking into it," baseball spokesman Rich Levin said. "I know our people are going to contact the Albany district attorney."
In Florida, the four defendants in the Signature case (Robert Loomis, Naomi Loomis, Kenneth Loomis and Kirk Calvert) were indicted on multiple counts of enterprise corruption, criminal sale of a controlled substance, criminal diversion of prescription medications, and insurance fraud.
Yesterday, all four waived extradition to New York, but asked a judge to let them post bail and be fitted with tracking devices so they could turn themselves in. Judge Mike Murphy denied the request, but said he would reconsider if New York authorities did not retrieve them by March 8.

[ipswich express]

As per the article I posted, he said he used a drug for hormonal problems, maybe he got it from there. Interesting that nothing more has come of this since 2007. Surely you'd be able to see yourself that the article is pretty open to conjecture.

The title of the piece is pretty loud. Then it goes on to say Fields has the same birthday as Evander and a similar address... wow. When they called the number Evander answered... how do they know that?

Margaret Goodman's statement is the only piece of concrete evidence in the whole thing.

[teke]

As per the article I posted, he said he used a drug for hormonal problems, maybe he got it from there. Interesting that nothing more has come of this since 2007. Surely you'd be able to see yourself that the article is pretty open to conjecture.

The title of the piece is pretty loud. Then it goes on to say Fields has the same birthday as Evander and a similar address... wow. When they called the number Evander answered... how do they know that?

Margaret Goodman's statement is the only piece of concrete evidence in the whole thing.:lol::lol:

[ipswich express]

Cop out


:)

[pecks]

Ok, what happens to the likes of Pecks who's rooting Japanese whores like they're going out of fashion (and good luck to him!). Does he come back in if he picks something up?

Hopefully I'll be picking up tonight. Though I dont really have a place to bring her to, nor the money to pay for a love hotel.
However, I have faith in my ability to flip the situation and get them to finance it if they're not gunna bring me back to their place.

Regarding the issue, I also think it's wrong to deny people entry to this country solely because they're HIV positive.
If this is the stance we need to take, then where does the line get drawn? Do we round up all HIV infected people and send them to their own little island (Tasmania perhaps, hi Marcus) where they can't infect people who arent carrying the disease?
I think theres a novel/movie about this. Can't remember the title of it though. But the whole idea of taking this kind of action sounds more like something out of China than Australia.

[ipswich express]

Spot on...good luck tonight! ha ha.

[pecks]

followed by Possibly Scruffy Muphys for a few foreign whores..
Muff at the scruff. :blurp

It's a dirty old joint there, but is one of the only decent places to go on a weeknight.
You're always bound to pick up something there if you stay till it closes, but usually a wank and a kebab is a better option than the birds that are available at 5am, etc.

3 Wise Monkeys is a better option for me. More cleaner, more foreign birds, and the band is better too.

[pecks]

Spot on...good luck tonight! ha ha.Cheers man. It's very easy to get attention when you go out, but many of the girls in Kobe find sex on the first night too big a step.

Last Sunday all I wanted to do was watch Adelaide V Gamba on tv, and I couldn't even do that without 2 girls asking approaching me and asking where I'm from, etc.
They love being seen and being friends with foreigners, but they dont seem that willing to take the next step with them (or with the locals for that matter).
Sex seems like a bigger deal over here, even for people who are single.

I'll still give it a go though.

[wvucheerjr]

I cant remember if it was before the Ray Mercer fight or right after it, but Tommy shattered his jaw in a fight against Joe Hipp, still knocking Hipp out with a broken left hand. It was after that that Tommy went on his "glass jaw" run. Before that Tommy wasn't known for having a weak chin. Quite possibly the biggest one punch boxer ive ever seen. The left hook against Ruddick could be the greatest one punch thrown in boxing history, or at least the biggest/most powerful.

Tommy's HIV story is this. And you have to forgive me because 1). I know little about HIV and testing and 2). I'm going from memory from a Morrison interview.

In 1995 Tommy did test positive for HIV, and subsequently afterwards tested positive in the follow up test. Morrison claims that back then HIV testing was limited to showing what types of "proteins" were in your system, and that if certain proteins were found you were reasonably assumed to be HIV positive. Tommy claims that the mixture of steroids (he admitted it multiple times in the interviews) he was taking at the time put those same proteins in his system. And that once he "educated himself" and stopped taking steroids he started texting negative.

There was also a report a few years back of Tommy dropping in weight and looking sickly. Morrison answers this by saying it was before he went to prison for 14 months (for drug possession) that he was on cocaine and other hard drugs that caused his weight loss.

There were two uncomfortable moments in the interview. When asked if he had to be blood tested to be licensed to fight in West Virginia (this was his 2007 fight) Morrison said no, but they asked to see his paperwork anyways and they showed the West Virginia State Athletic Commission the results. When the interviewer asked Tommy who administered the test his agent or attorney who was off camera immediately told Morrison not to answer that question that it was private. The second came towards the end. The interviewer asked Tommy if he would be wiling to get a commission sanctioned blood test to be licensed for upcoming fights in other states Tommy replied with "absolutely, i'd do it today, if you pay for it we can go right now". It had a whole laughable feel to it (Tommy and the interviewer were laughing) and the interviewer asked Tommy how much the blood test would cost, Tommy laughably said he didnt know because he'd never paid for any of his tests personally and once again the attorney stepped in and sombered the moment. For anyone who has doubts in Tommy's story those moments definitely were erie to say the least.

Also there's the story of that doctor who in June 2007 claimed Morrison had recently tested positive. In an interview Morrisons fiance did not deny the claims and his fight in Houston was cancelled. There are also some conflicting reports on if the story that the public was given (the story out of the Morrison camp was a doctor was "late in filing paperwork) was true, some conspiracy theories say it was because of the alleged June 2007 positive test.

Tommy's latest fight was in Mexico in January 2008. Never heard any word on the testing if any etc.. for that licensing.

The sad part is if it is true (Tommy's claim) its now too late for him in the sport. He just turned 40 a couple of days ago. Its sad to think what could have been. No, Tommy never would have been undisputed heavyweight champion, but I would be willing to bet he would have won a couple of more titles, knocked out a couple of more great fighters, and been knocked out a couple of more times in spectacular fashion himself. I think he would have beaten Mike Tyson at that point of Tyson's career. The first good puncher that Tyson faced after that TKOd him. Now of course that was an 11th round TKO and Tommy Morrison was no Evander Holyfield but I truly think if Tommy made it through the first 3 rounds he would have won the fight. And the 38 million dollar payday if he had been mature would have set him up for a good while.