A couple of whispers...

[ipswich express]

Apparently Dawson v Tarver II is being lined up for March 14th. I don't think it's really needed, but they're going to market it that Tarver is the rematch king. Also, Juan Diaz v Juan Manuel Marquez on Febuary 28, in Houston. Luevano-Juarez is on the undercard.

[Rise Above]

Not really interested in a Dawson Tarver rematch but will be keen to see JMM Diaz, especially with Luevano Juarez undercard.

[Marcus]

bout time Rocky got his hands on a title.

[Rise Above]

bout time Rocky got his hands on a title.

You think he can beat Luevano ? I think he has a good chance thats for sure.

[pecks]

Not really keen on Dawson/Tarver 2. If Dawson was ever going to lose against Tarver, it would have been in their first fight. The winning margin will be wider for Chad next time around if they go at it.

[Marcus]

You think he can beat Luevano ? I think he has a good chance thats for sure.

i think he will flog him, ill take 6 month avatar bets on this fight.

[Rise Above]

i think he will flog him, ill take 6 month avatar bets on this fight.

Thats confidence right there. :yep

[Bentchassis]

Dont want to see Tarver-Dawson again but I bet you I fucking pay for it anyway. Cant wait for Diaz/JMM two of my favourite fighters and I see this as extremely close match up.

[Marcus]

for sure rise above, i know its a while away, but im thinking of the odd already!!

[Kegsy]

I really believe Juan Manuel Marquez will beat Juan Diaz comfortably on points...but Luevano-Juarez should be very interesting.
Im thinkin Juarez just at this stage.

Not really interested in seeing Dawson hammer old man Tarver for the 2nd time.
If it rids us of Tarver for good then why not.

[Rise Above]

I really believe Juan Manuel Marquez will beat Juan Diaz comfortably on points.


I agree, I just think he will be to good for Diaz. I have a feeling he will avoid Diaz's flurries and counter him all night.

[perfect jet]

I agree, I just think he will be to good for Diaz. I have a feeling he will avoid Diaz's flurries and counter him all night.

At 35, and not a true lightweight, it will take a hell of a performance to do that.

[Bentchassis]

At 35, and not a true lightweight, it will take a hell of a performance to do that.
That's why this will be closer than people think. The contrast of styles doesnt necessarily work for JMM when up against the naturally bigger guy under so much pressure. Plus JMM's wars are probably slowly taking toll.

[Jambo]

At 35, and not a true lightweight, it will take a hell of a performance to do that.

Exactly. I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Juan Diaz. The guy is a big strong natural 135 pound guy. Totally different fight to taking on a past prime Casamayor.

I have Diaz as a clear favourite.

Marquez doesn't possess the movement to beat Diaz, and he won't have the stamina, size or strength to trade with him on the inside.

[Kegsy]

Exactly. I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Juan Diaz. The guy is a big strong natural 135 pound guy. Totally different fight to taking on a past prime Casamayor.

I have Diaz as a clear favourite.

Marquez doesn't possess the movement to beat Diaz, and he won't have the stamina, size or strength to trade with him on the inside.
Fair enough guys either way it should be a terrific matchup stylistically.

Im sticking to my guns & saying Marquez to pull away & win a comfortable decision in the end.

[Jambo]

Fair enough guys either way it should be a terrific matchup stylistically.

Im sticking to my guns & saying Marquez to pull away & win a comfortable decision in the end.

Avatar bet??? 2 weeks!!!

[Kegsy]

Avatar bet??? 2 weeks!!!
:hi::deal

[Anenigma]

Apparently Dawson v Tarver II is being lined up for March 14th. I don't think it's really needed, but they're going to market it that Tarver is the rematch king. Also, Juan Diaz v Juan Manuel Marquez on Febuary 28, in Houston. Luevano-Juarez is on the undercard.

Must have been a rematch clause, why would Dawson rematch Tarver? Nothing to gain.
Diaz vs JMM I think Diaz will shock a lot of people here too big too strong.
Rocky is only an opponent Luevano by UD.

[ipswich express]

Yeah there was a rematch clause apparently. Looks like HBO are signing Bad Chad up...

[Bentchassis]

Yeah there was a rematch clause apparently. Looks like HBO are signing Bad Chad up...
2 x fight deal...who's next?

[Anenigma]

Yeah there was a rematch clause apparently. Looks like HBO are signing Bad Chad up...

Awesome would love to see Dawson vs B-hop, Dawson probably to primed and doesn't generate enough $.

[ipswich express]

Dawson need to keep winning and keep building his profile.

[Jambo]

Dawson need to keep winning and keep building his profile.

Makes it hard when you have a loud mouth fagget like Tarver disgracing the sport, by enforcing a rematch where the result couldn't have been any clearer.

Honestly, this match is disgusting. Tarver should be ashamed of himself. Dawson has the opportunity here to get some massive wins esepcially against the likes of Calzaghe before he retires, and instead is forced to dish out another one sided beating.

I just hope Dawson doesn't lose focus in this one, in his preperation. IMagine how hard it would be to motivate yourself for a fight like this. The fight is a total joke... THe PPV will be worthwhile though for Diaz v JMM alone.

Great to see HBO signing Chad, the guy is immensly talented. Looking forward to seeing him up against Kessler.

[ipswich express]

I don't blame Tarver though. Put yourself in his position, it's another chance at a title and a big pay day. There's not much Chad can do either, because of the rematch clause. Dawson v Glen Johnson II is the return that they should be making.

[Jambo]

I don't blame Tarver though. Put yourself in his position, it's another chance at a title and a big pay day. There's not much Chad can do either, because of the rematch clause. Dawson v Glen Johnson II is the return that they should be making.

Yeah i understand from his perspective, still doesn't make it any less frustrating to wait another 6 months before we see Dawson in a meaningful fight.

[perfect jet]

Another one...

Looks like Hatton v Pac is just about done for May in Vegas.

[ipswich express]

Yep... the blame lays with HBO more than anyone probably.

[daz52]

I dont like all the people on the main forum and other websites bagging Bad Chad for this one. Its a freakin legal obligation, he has pretty much no say in the matter. Tarver enforces it he has to take it. From what i understand, it isnt an immediate rematch clause, meaning that he could take another fight or two before it, but maybe he just wants to get it out the way?

Id love to see a Calzaghe VS Dawson fight after it though. Hopefully he can KO Tarver to put a big exclamation point on it, force Calzaghes hand.

[perfect jet]

I dont like all the people on the main forum and other websites bagging Bad Chad for this one. Its a freakin legal obligation, he has pretty much no say in the matter. Tarver enforces it he has to take it. From what i understand, it isnt an immediate rematch clause, meaning that he could take another fight or two before it, but maybe he just wants to get it out the way?

Id love to see a Calzaghe VS Dawson fight after it though. Hopefully he can KO Tarver to put a big exclamation point on it, force Calzaghes hand.

Calzaghe turned down an 80/20 split. In Wales too. Bhops wasn't interested. Jermaine turned down a fight at catchweight.

I got that from a very good source. Chad is one bad ass. Calzaghe is a first ballot HOF'er but turning down 80/20 in your home town is weak. And he says boxing is dead and there aint no one to fight. lol.

[ipswich express]

An 80/20 split of what though? He'd make more fighting a rematch with Hopkins in Vegas.

[Robot16]

That's why this will be closer than people think. The contrast of styles doesnt necessarily work for JMM when up against the naturally bigger guy under so much pressure. Plus JMM's wars are probably slowly taking toll.

When i first thought of the match i felt Diaz would win too, but i am going for JMM

[perfect jet]

An 80/20 split of what though? He'd make more fighting a rematch with Hopkins in Vegas.

Joe said he doesn't want Bhop again as he said it's a boring fight for the fans.

80/20 of any fight in Wales is a shit load of money...especially considering boxing is up the shit now and their aint nothing left for Joe C.

[Bentchassis]

When i first thought of the match i felt Diaz would win too, but i am going for JMM
Im still unsure. Bit wary of JMM after some things in the Casa fight and I rate Diaz and feel he'll penetrate inside JMM with his size. I would love JMM to win but Im starting to really enjoy watching Diaz, this is definetely one where I hate to see a loser.

[Bentchassis]

Joe said he doesn't want Bhop again as he said it's a boring fight for the fans.

80/20 of any fight in Wales is a shit load of money...especially considering boxing is up the shit now and their aint nothing left for Joe C.
Joe didn't enjoy fighting BHop and I reckon he'd be worried about more than just his fans.

[Robot16]

Im still unsure. Bit wary of JMM after some things in the Casa fight and I rate Diaz and feel he'll penetrate inside JMM with his size. I would love JMM to win but Im starting to really enjoy watching Diaz, this is definetely one where I hate to see a loser.

Same i was very hard on diaz up until he took out Julio Diaz, and abit from the F?reitas fight, but he is a good fighter.

Same as well i never used to enjoy his fights up until those two.
Now im a fan, but i like JMM that much more.

[daz52]

An 80/20 split of what though? He'd make more fighting a rematch with Hopkins in Vegas.


I disagree. A Calzaghe fight in Wales draws a crowed of 50k and anyone who isnt there sitting there ass infront of a TV watching... 80% of that is big money any way you wanna look at it.

[ipswich express]

The fight wouldn't be a PPV, and that's the problem. The money is in PPV.

[perfect jet]

The fight wouldn't be a PPV, and that's the problem. The money is in PPV.

Calzaghe's ppv numbers are very ordinary in the US by all reports. His whole whine about the state of the game is because he doesn't have a ppv name to fight.


I think he wants to retire undefeated.

[ipswich express]

I don't doubt that for a second, but it's still the major source of revenue for him. I'm a big fan of Chad's, but the best fight out there for him right now is Glen Johnson again.

[ipswich express]

He might wanna retire undefeated or he may even be thinking he'll let Dawson build his resume and earn a punt load more in a bit over a year's time, when the public is calling for it, not just hardcore boxing fans.

[Rise Above]

I'm willing to take avatar bets on the JMM Diaz fight. JMM all the way.:yep

[perfect jet]

Pac v Hatton almost a done deal for May 2. Thomas and Mack Centre Vegas.

That's a hard fight to pick. Hatton I think.

[Texan Joe]

Pac v Hatton almost a done deal for May 2. Thomas and Mack Centre Vegas.

That's a hard fight to pick. Hatton I think.

Interesting battle, I was fans of both but after there last fights both there stocks have risen, I think Pac's left would eventually hurt Hitman quite badly, late KO to Manny

[Kegsy]

I'm willing to take avatar bets on the JMM Diaz fight. JMM all the way.:yep
Yep JMM all the way.:good

Jambo is going down.:deal

[Phil Austin]

How many they get in Wales for the fight would not equate into money made. The mail I have on Calzaghe's last 50k+ crowd is that most were give away tickets. Radio promos etc

[perfect jet]

How many they get in Wales for the fight would not equate into money made. The mail I have on Calzaghe's last 50k+ crowd is that most were give away tickets. Radio promos etc

Really? For the Kessler fight?

[Phil Austin]

Yep, absolutely is the mail I have and it is a pretty good souce in Old Blighty

[perfect jet]

Yep, absolutely is the mail I have and it is a pretty good souce in Old Blighty

Fancy whining over not getting a ppv date when you can't sell out your home town. And you have the country to yourself. lol

Just retire Joe. He might be the best fighter of my generation that I never really cared about.

[teke]

Fancy whining over not getting a ppv date when you can't sell out your home town. And you have the country to yourself. lol

Just retire Joe. He might be the best fighter of my generation that I never really cared about.:lol: Me too

[ipswich express]

Here's another couple of whispers for you...

Nipples Arreola v Sam Peter is being discussed for May 2009, in LA...

And a well known Qld promoter rang just about everyone trying to get a local fight for Ranee Ganoy. The only person interested was Onikeke but he can't make 61kgs. Might have to wait awhile to see Zapp v Ranee boys...

[Anenigma]

Here's another couple of whispers for you...

Nipples Arreola v Sam Peter is being discussed for May 2009, in LA...

And a well known Qld promoter rang just about everyone trying to get a local fight for Ranee Ganoy. The only person interested was Onikeke but he can't make 61kgs. Might have to wait awhile to see Zapp v Ranee boys...

I think Arreola is overated, looked shocking in his last fight.
He has said he never checked his weight in camp because it didn't matter, his diet must have consisted of soda and twinkies, has a lot to learn if he wants to be considered world class, like how to be a profesional athlete.

You gotta feel for Ranee was hung out to dry in SA, and will have nightmares trying to get a fight here, why would a prospect risk it.

[perfect jet]

I think Arreola is overated, looked shocking in his last fight.
He has said he never checked his weight in camp because it didn't matter, his diet must have consisted of soda and twinkies, has a lot to learn if he wants to be considered world class, like how to be a profesional athlete.

You gotta feel for Ranee was hung out to dry in SA, and will have nightmares trying to get a fight here, why would a prospect risk it.

Not really. He had signed with the promoter and had ALL the favours. Besides his opponent not making weight, Ranee had a great chance to win.

He lost his head in the fight and paid for it. No one can be blamed for it.

[Rise Above]

I think Arreola is overated, looked shocking in his last fight.
He has said he never checked his weight in camp because it didn't matter, his diet must have consisted of soda and twinkies, has a lot to learn if he wants to be considered world class, like how to be a profesional athlete.

You gotta feel for Ranee was hung out to dry in SA, and will have nightmares trying to get a fight here, why would a prospect risk it.

Even though Arreola looked pretty ordinary in his last fight I'd still love to see him fight Peter. Would be an entertaining fight thats for sure.

[Anenigma]

[QUOTE=perfect jet;3094966]Not really. He had signed with the promoter and had ALL the favours. Besides his opponent not making weight, Ranee had a great chance to win.
He lost his head in the fight and paid for it. No one can be blamed for it.[/QUOTE)

He was still in Brisbane 4 weeks before the fight and was only running, before going south to get ready, the people handling him have no idea and rip him blind:good

[perfect jet]

[quote=perfect jet;3094966]Not really. He had signed with the promoter and had ALL the favours. Besides his opponent not making weight, Ranee had a great chance to win.
He lost his head in the fight and paid for it. No one can be blamed for it.[/QUOTE)

He was still in Brisbane 4 weeks before the fight and was only running, before going south to get ready, the people handling him have no idea and rip him blind:good

No he wasn't. I'l tell you exactly what happened...

He went to Brisbane when the Diaz fight fell through. That was after a full camp preparing for Diaz. And he returned to Sydney about six 5-6 weeks before the fight. He was in Sth Africa 9 days before the fight. His sparring included Zap, Tommy Browne, Ryan Waters and IBO champ Hlatswaayo in Sth Africa.

Angulo had about 3 weeks to prepare and was still in Venezuela 3 days before the fight. Was 4.5kg overweight the day before. Had two attempts to make weight but couldn't and said he couldn't lose no more. Both fighters were 65.5kg at the second day weigh in, the morning of the fight.

Ranee was the promoters boy and Angulo was getting screwed. I could tell you more but I'l leave it at that.

Ranee blew it and he knows it. Deflecting blame to his team in this case is flat out wrong.

[Anenigma]

[quote=Anenigma;3095006]

No he wasn't. I'l tell you exactly what happened...

He went to Brisbane when the Diaz fight fell through. That was after a full camp preparing for Diaz. And he returned to Sydney about six 5-6 weeks before the fight. He was in Sth Africa 9 days before the fight. His sparring included Zap, Tommy Browne, Ryan Waters and IBO champ Hlatswaayo in Sth Africa.

Angulo had about 3 weeks to prepare and was still in Venezuela 3 days before the fight. Was 4.5kg overweight the day before. Had two attempts to make weight but couldn't and said he couldn't lose no more. Both fighters were 65.5kg at the second day weigh in, the morning of the fight.

Ranee was the promoters boy and Angulo was getting screwed. I could tell you
more but I'l leave it at that.

Thanks for the insight, it's just such a shame to see such a talent blow his opportunity because I don't think he will get another one and no one will want to touch him in Oz.

Ranee blew it and he knows it. Deflecting blame to his team in this case is flat out wrong.

[perfect jet]

[quote=Anenigma;3095124]

Do I need to see what I typed? :)

[Anenigma]

[quote=Anenigma;3095124]

Do I need to see what I typed? :)

Thanks for the insight, It is just such a shame to see such a talent blow his opportunity because I don't think he will get another one and no one will want to go near him in Oz.
Using a handheld my bad

[Anenigma]

Even though Arreola looked pretty ordinary in his last fight I'd still love to see him fight Peter. Would be an entertaining fight thats for sure.

Would be a good slugfest, but has a long way to go before getting in the ring with Wlad, which looks like it might happen next year.

[Rise Above]

Would be a good slugfest, but has a long way to go before getting in the ring with Wlad, which looks like it might happen next year.


Agreed, he is along way off fighting either Klitschko.

[JOSEY WALES]

The fight wouldn't be a PPV, and that's the problem. The money is in PPV.

True if he fought Hopins @ the Millenium stadium he would have to pay the WRU a hefty chunk of the gate money , he was waiting until world boxing screamed loud enough before he fought Pavlik on PPV in the states until Hopkins beat Kelly and fakkkked that plan up :deal Joe will announce his retirement in Febuary but i have a feeling he will be back when Dawson has gained sufficient interest in his caeer in the States and becomes main stream HBO PPV fare , Then he could be possibly be tempted out of retirement providing its within a twelve month time frame , aything after that will be a non starter , Joe despite what many think is a shrewd bloke and knows he will have gone passed the point where a return would be possible if any later than late 09 imo ..

[perfect jet]

[quote=perfect jet;3095128]

Thanks for the insight, It is just such a shame to see such a talent blow his opportunity because I don't think he will get another one and no one will want to go near him in Oz.
Using a handheld my bad

That's the problem he has now. One positive is that I think he keeps his top 15 rating because the other guy was overweight. So he is still eligible to contest an eliminator/title if that is the case.

Nothing confirmed but I think you will find he will be changing camps. Fenech and Grange have been mentioned. He needs a big push if he is to make another run.

Like you said, his opportunities locally are next to none and overseas promoters wont like the look of 11 losses and a last fight ko loss. He was so hard to match in the US because of his record.

He had to take the Sth Africa fight no matter what the situation, because who knows when his next fight would be? He waited that long...

Money is no object to Grange Boxing. They spent massively to get Hlatswaayo here twice for Medley. Ridiculous money actually. But they were willing to back Medley and get him a title shot. They may be able to salvage something for Ranee. Again, nothing confirmed but I can see the upside if he goes to them.

We'l see...

[Anenigma]

[QUOTE=perfect jet;3095256][quote=Anenigma;3095139]

That's the problem he has now. One positive is that I think he keeps his top 15 rating because the other guy was overweight. So he is still eligible to contest an eliminator/title if that is the case.

Nothing confirmed but I think you will find he will be changing camps. Fenech and Grange have been mentioned. He needs a big push if he is to make another run.

Like you said, his opportunities locally are next to none and overseas promoters wont like the look of 11 losses and a last fight ko loss. He was so hard to match in the US because of his record.

He had to take the Sth Africa fight no matter what the situation, because who knows when his next fight would be? He waited that long...

Money is no object to Grange Boxing. They spent massively to get Hlatswaayo here twice for Medley. Ridiculous money actually. But they were willing to back Medley and get him a title shot. They may be able to salvage something for Ranee. Again, nothing confirmed but I can see the upside to them taking him on.

We'l see...[/QUOTE

Great move if it happens, he needs some money behind him because even though he brings nothing to the promoter (ticket sales) he is very exciting to watch and wouldn't take long to build a following.

[markedwardscott]

Sounds like some good fights.

[JOSEY WALES]

How many they get in Wales for the fight would not equate into money made. The mail I have on Calzaghe's last 50k+ crowd is that most were give away tickets. Radio promos etc

You think two of the worlds biggest money grabbing promoters gave away MOST of the tickets to the biggest 168lbs fight in recent history ? me thinks your "Mail" might be winding you up Phil :good

[ipswich express]

A couple more whispers...

Boxing to return to free to air tele in the 2nd half of the year.

Froch v Taylor and Allan Green v Andre Ward on Showtime. Double header.

[Kegsy]

A couple more whispers...

Boxing to return to free to air tele in the 2nd half of the year.

Froch v Taylor and Allan Green v Andre Ward on Showtime. Double header.
That would be 1 nice card to watch should that happen.:deal

[ipswich express]

I agree, here's hoping it does.

[Francis75]

A couple more whispers...

Boxing to return to free to air tele in the 2nd half of the year.

Froch v Taylor and Allan Green v Andre Ward on Showtime. Double header.

I would love this to be true, but the bottom line is that not even your average sports fan in Australia knows who these 4 men are. No one other than the 20 or so blokes who post on these forums would watch it. They would be better off showing a Katsidis fight against a credible opponent. At least that way they may get viewers to watch an Aussie fight. I hope i'm wrong though as i would love to see the doubleheader you mention.

[ipswich express]

Sorry mate, you've caught this the wrong way. Two different whispers.

[Francis75]

Sorry mate, you've caught this the wrong way. Two different whispers.

Silly me. :patsch

[Phil Austin]

You think two of the worlds biggest money grabbing promoters gave away MOST of the tickets to the biggest 168lbs fight in recent history ? me thinks your "Mail" might be winding you up Phil :good

No mate, this stuff is pretty spot on, and was inside the industry stuff when I was in Manchester. Beauty of being involved in the sport is you always see behind the hype! ;)

[JOSEY WALES]

No mate, this stuff is pretty spot on, and was inside the industry stuff when I was in Manchester. Beauty of being involved in the sport is you always see behind the hype! ;)

What ? ****** & Palle shelled out £ 10,000,000 in purses to Calzaghe & Kessler out of their own pockets just to hype both up ? . Calzaghe v Manferdo sold 35,000 tickets to morons paying up to 250 quid a throw , do you seriously belive ****** & Palle " Gave away most of the tickets to Calzaghe v Kessler to radio comp winners " come on Phi your an international judge surley you don't belive that bollocks ?