View Full Version : Does anybody think Mundine might have a chance against Pavlik?
heidegger
12-20-2008, 03:14 AM
You can be condecending and post a ':patsch' if you like. I can see why you would.
When I imagine this fight I see it going either one of two ways:
First, Pavlik walks Mundine down, unaffected by his jab, and lays him out on the floor.
Another scenario is see is Pavlik struggling with Mundines speed, not being able to find him, and the fights going to the cards. Possibly with a Mundine victory.
You never know, this fight could come off if Mundine becomes Pavlik's mandaory and Pav is looking for an easy defense. This would of course be contingent on Mundine bing brave enough to fight him of course.
Thoughts?
ipswich express
12-20-2008, 03:16 AM
My thoughts are this is the 15th Mundine thread this week. Not bad for a guy who hasn't fought a serious opponent in years.
heidegger
12-20-2008, 03:26 AM
Sorry. I don't come in this forum that much.
ipswich express
12-20-2008, 03:31 AM
Watch his fight with Rashid Matumla 3 times and all is forgiven.
flamengo
12-20-2008, 04:24 AM
Id like to see this fight. Never been impressed by Pav.. and doubt he would catch Mundine. Id like to see Mundines management sent to Guantanamo bay. Id like to see a legitimate bunch of brains looking after the Man.
Mundine is simply a wind-up-toy for the wankers who control him.. Id like to see the Man let his fists do the talking, and shut his mouth.
ID LIKE TO SEE THIS ALL HAPPEN 5 YEARS AGO.
What a fkn waste. Regardless.... yep.. bring on Pav.
ozziebattler
12-20-2008, 04:49 AM
When is Pav and Mundine fighting???
Oh they aint...
I think it would be a good matchup. Ive said it time and time and time again that Paavlik is overrated. I said it before the BH match and say it again now. Choc vs Pv would be a good matchup as long as Choc doesnt get caught up in the hype and fight cautious and scared of Pav.
WhataRock
12-20-2008, 06:14 AM
There is no evidence that Choc could deal with Pav at middle because put quite simply..he is yet to fight there.
Best form at middle vs best form at supermiddle...very close fight...hard style for Pavlik but I also think the size and strength of Choc would be a determining factor, so drain him back down to middle and may not have those attributes...Kelly was very overrated before the Hops fight, I said that many times myself aswell hmmm..but we cant forget he is still an elite fighter with wins over elite fighters.
As it stands they reside in two different divisions...Pavlik has only one main rival to his crown as the best there...Choc would struggle to make the top 5 these days at 168.
At the end of the day...we will never see this fight.
Anenigma
12-20-2008, 06:19 AM
There is no evidence that Choc could deal with Pav at middle because put quite simply..he is yet to fight there.
Best form at middle vs best form at supermiddle...very close fight...hard style for Pavlik but I also think the size and strength of Choc would be a determining factor, so drain him back down to middle and may not have those attributes...Kelly was very overrated before the Hops fight, I said that many times myself aswell hmmm..but we cant forget he is still an elite fighter with wins over elite fighters.
As it stands they reside in two different divisions...Pavlik has only one main rival to his crown as the best there...Choc would struggle to make the top 5 these days at 168.
At the end of the day...we will never see this fight.
Spot on, good post:good
flamengo
12-20-2008, 07:37 AM
There is no evidence that Choc could deal with Pav at middle because put quite simply..he is yet to fight there.
Best form at middle vs best form at supermiddle...very close fight...hard style for Pavlik but I also think the size and strength of Choc would be a determining factor, so drain him back down to middle and may not have those attributes...Kelly was very overrated before the Hops fight, I said that many times myself aswell hmmm..but we cant forget he is still an elite fighter with wins over elite fighters.
As it stands they reside in two different divisions...Pavlik has only one main rival to his crown as the best there...Choc would struggle to make the top 5 these days at 168.
At the end of the day...we will never see this fight.
Post Sm/W fights, mundine gains little weight.. hence his strenght and endurance at Sm/W.... He wouldnt have to 'drain' to M/W...His age is the only genuine factor detrimental to a lasting M/W effort..
He might make some stupid decicions via the managers...... hopefully something good comes of it...
Hopefully the Managers get sacked..
Rise Above
12-20-2008, 09:21 AM
I think Mundine would have had a chance of beating him a few years ago but I'd have to say not likely now.
Pavlik is a beast at 160. Mundine looks weak and has yet to even fight at 160.
WhataRock
12-20-2008, 10:25 AM
Post Sm/W fights, mundine gains little weight.. hence his strenght and endurance at Sm/W.... He wouldnt have to 'drain' to M/W...His age is the only genuine factor detrimental to a lasting M/W effort..
He might make some stupid decicions via the managers...... hopefully something good comes of it...
Hopefully the Managers get sacked..
The way I see it is if he could make it he would have by now...he basically has taken a year to shave off a pound at a time getting down to the limit he has yet to make..I think its clear they arent to confidant of his strength down there.
If the WBA had a shread of integrity they would have never of ranked him there and he wouldnt be ranked no1 just because Khoder requested it...But they are the WBA and like all the orgs they are only interested in the $$$.
riggers
12-20-2008, 11:18 AM
Mundine would run and Pavlik would chase, if he catches him he knocks him out or beats him into his shell. If he does not catch him , its because Mundine runs well and he loses on points, the way these 2 fight i cannot see Mandy getting a decision. Still i think Pavlik does catch him and knocks him out.
Mundine at his best (Green and Soliman II bouts) would have a very good chance, but since he has faded a little, is trying to drop to 160, hasn't fought anybody with a pulse in the last two years and seems to have misplaced his testicles... no chance.
Mundine at his best (Green and Soliman II bouts) would have a very good chance, but since he has faded a little, is trying to drop to 160, hasn't fought anybody with a pulse in the last two years and seems to have misplaced his testicles... no chance.
Have u checked in Gav's throat??
Bentchassis
12-20-2008, 04:30 PM
If Mundine can make the weight with little side effects he still up against a massive middle who we know has the power to KO and take a punch from naturally bigger guys (Jermaine Taylor size wise being the Kessler of the middle weight division) Styles are one thing but most physical advantages in this fight go to Pav.
Whilst Pav was/is overated, he'd still clean up Mundine without too much problem as he's even more overated.
To the thread starter............ Yes, Mundine wld have a chance.
Melbourneborn
12-20-2008, 11:28 PM
I hate Mundine as much as the next bloke, but I can still look at him objectively as a fighter. If they fought right now.. methinks theirs a good chance Mundine gets stopped. His just not quiet as sharp as he was - his old for a fighter whos bread and butter is reflexes and genuine natural ability.
If it was the Mundine of 5 years ago.. I think it would go the same was as Kessler-Mundine. I reckon Mundine would keep pretty active, trying to keep away. He'd have his moments, but just not do enough to really be competitive.
pecks
12-21-2008, 12:03 AM
Mundine at his best (Green and Soliman II bouts) would have a very good chance, but since he has faded a little, is trying to drop to 160, hasn't fought anybody with a pulse in the last two years and seems to have misplaced his testicles... no chance.I agree.
Mundine would have had a great chance 2 years back.
It's funny though, many people are only going over the hypothetical match up now after Pavlik got schooled by Hopkins. I didn't rate Pavlik that much better off before his loss to Hopkins as I always maintained that he was a hype job waiting to get exposed.
The thing is that Mundine himself has declined and is less of a fighter than he was 2 years ago. So although some are only rating Mundine's chances now, I reckon he had a better shot 18 months back when there would have been much more reward on offer.
Marcus
12-21-2008, 01:06 AM
mundine is the one overated here..
pavlik is the true 160 champion, mundine is a joke. he cant even make the weight ffs.
Jambo
12-21-2008, 02:39 AM
Watch his fight with Rashid Matumla 3 times and all is forgiven.
:lol::lol::lol:
ajay11
12-29-2008, 02:53 PM
Pavlik is a beast at 160. Mundine looks weak and has yet to even fight at 160.
Must admit that while I believe Choc could win a decision I'm stunned how Pavlik has gone from the next great middlweight to an over-rated great white hope all because he got beaten by a legend at light heavy....
Pavlik is a beast at 160lbs and that's where he belongs.
ajay11
12-29-2008, 02:57 PM
I agree.
Mundine would have had a great chance 2 years back.
It's funny though, many people are only going over the hypothetical match up now after Pavlik got schooled by Hopkins. I didn't rate Pavlik that much better off before his loss to Hopkins as I always maintained that he was a hype job waiting to get exposed.
The thing is that Mundine himself has declined and is less of a fighter than he was 2 years ago. So although some are only rating Mundine's chances now, I reckon he had a better shot 18 months back when there would have been much more reward on offer.
WTF ?
Mundine would join the Harre Christnas if it meant he could get a fight with Pavlik so stop the bullshit.
Must admit that while I believe Choc could win a decision I'm stunned how Pavlik has gone from the next great middlweight to an over-rated great white hope all because he got beaten by a legend at light heavy....
Pavlik is a beast at 160lbs and that's where he belongs.
The "next great middleweight" thing was a matter of opinion. I for one was not of that opinion. I thought he was overrated way before he ever thought of fighting hopkins and so was pretty much sure JC would flog him too, in fact I believe that JC would have embarrased him even more (a la Lacy where he would question his career).
stuistylee
12-29-2008, 11:32 PM
who cares ...wont happen...wheres those argie cab drivers...what a waste of talent...i hate 2 say it but he does have a bit...
WTF ?
Mundine would join the Harre Christnas if it meant he could get a fight with Pavlik so stop the bullshit.
Stop the bullshit??
What planet are you on? Mundine has no intention of fighting any live opponent.
JOSEY WALES
12-30-2008, 07:26 AM
WTF ?
Mundine would join the Harre Christnas if it meant he could get a fight with Pavlik so stop the bullshit.
WOULD HE FUCK :dealMandy's eye is shot and that why he has been fighting less than stella opponents for the last couple of years ,you being on of Australias premier losers on the turf will appreciate this saying ( Horses for courses ) he realises he had declined and so should cunts like you , Mandy RAN from Kessler and he would RUN from Pavlik . Mandy is just trying to get the weakest genuine world title holder in there so he can swan around Australia proclaiming to twats like you that he is a "Genuine " two weight champ , Geez Agay your a tool :nut but happy new year to you all the same :thumbsup
Have you people forgotten that he has fought Kessler, please tell me why he would be scared of big bad pav?
He has more than a chance of beating Pavlik...thats the truth :deal
JOSEY WALES
12-30-2008, 07:51 AM
Because his eye is fucked mate and he knows pavlik knows this and whats more important Pavlik ownes the skills to exploite this weakness , your boy is just going to fight cabbies and relive you of your hard earned night watchman money in PPV fees lol
Because his eye is fucked mate and he knows pavlik knows this and whats more important Pavlik ownes the skills to exploite this weakness , your boy is just going to fight cabbies and relive you of your hard earned night watchman money in PPV fees lolI have seen many video interviews where Mundine talks about his eye and states that it isnt the best but he has trained to overcome it. He says it doesnt hamper him and one has to believe what comes straight from the horses mouth.
IMO noway is he scared to fight Pavlik.
JOSEY WALES
12-30-2008, 08:03 AM
I have seen many video interviews where Mundine talks about his eye and states that it isnt the best but he has trained to overcome it. He says it doesnt hamper him and one has to believe what comes straight from the horses mouth.
IMO noway is he scared to fight Pavlik.
:patsch Teke , Would a currently active ( :lol: ) Pro boxer trying to milk the last dollar out of the fans who show him man love admit to having suffered a serious permenant disability to his eye whilst attempting to part them for said dollar's ? :nut
:patsch Teke , Would a currently active ( :lol: ) Pro boxer trying to milk the last dollar out of the fans who show him man love admit to having suffered a serious permenant disability to his eye whilst attempting to part them for said dollar's ? :nutWell i did say he said it is a slight problem but it doesnt really hamper him. He doesnt need to say a single word for people to tune in and/or discuss him. The interview was very candid and if you saw it you'd probably come to the same conclusion as i did. that is all :good
nomas
12-30-2008, 05:11 PM
The best is yet to come after watching choc spar the other day he would beat pavlik ,when his on his game he could beat anybody a big 2009 for the man...
The best is yet to come after watching choc spar the other day he would beat pavlik ,when his on his game he could beat anybody a big 2009 for the man...
Another one, dear o dear! :patsch
Mundine at his best (Green and Soliman II bouts) would have a very good chance, but since he has faded a little, is trying to drop to 160, hasn't fought anybody with a pulse in the last two years and seems to have misplaced his testicles... no chance.
Have u checked in Gav's throat??
I take that back. Check Nomas' throat...
Collateral
12-30-2008, 07:39 PM
Choc would be a good chance at an upset...Pavlik is very overrated.
But Choc is past his best now and doesnt want to fight anyone too dangerous so its a shame that it will never happen.
ashley
12-30-2008, 09:21 PM
The best is yet to come after watching choc spar the other day he would beat pavlik ,when his on his game he could beat anybody a big 2009 for the man...
Who was he in the ring against?
nomas
12-30-2008, 09:21 PM
i take that back. Check nomas' throat...
another world champion arm chair critic !!!
the beaver
12-30-2008, 09:27 PM
Who was he in the ring against?
Pee wee herman
boxon123
12-30-2008, 09:28 PM
Well i did say he said it is a slight problem but it doesnt really hamper him. He doesnt need to say a single word for people to tune in and/or discuss him. The interview was very candid and if you saw it you'd probably come to the same conclusion as i did. that is all :goodHOW IS HIS RECORD AGAINST GUYS TALLER THAN HIM? pavlik fights every minute of every round mundine doesn't. Mundine would be stopped inside of Six.Pavlik is a good fighter mundine isnt.Would mundine have a chance? maybe if you cut out the other guys heart first.
ashley
12-30-2008, 09:31 PM
another world champion arm chair critic !!!
Why am I a critic because I was asking about who he was in with? :huh
the beaver
12-30-2008, 09:37 PM
HOW IS HIS RECORD AGAINST GUYS TALLER THAN HIM? pavlik fights every minute of every round mundine doesn't. Mundine would be stopped inside of Six.Pavlik is a good fighter mundine isnt.Would mundine have a chance? maybe if you cut out the other guys heart first.
Well he almost decapatated (sic) Guy Waters who's about 6'4
boxon123
12-30-2008, 10:34 PM
Well he almost decapatated (sic) Guy Waters who's about 6'4 mundine fought waters 10 years after his prime .I am sure guy would be interested that he grew 2.5 inches after he retired.He has been beaten by every fighter taller (that had a pulse) than him easily.
Mundine makes him miss and miss and miss all night long.
I'd lick Oprahs asrsehole out if Pavlik KOs him
mundine fought waters 10 years after his prime .I am sure guy would be interested that he grew 2.5 inches after he retired.He has been beaten by every fighter taller (that had a pulse) than him easily.*cough* Danny Green *cough*
boxon123
12-30-2008, 10:39 PM
Why is it so hard to accept they are a different class of fighters.Mundine work rate sucks and pressure from a tall guy would destroy him. The guy got beat by Manny Siaca.
Why is it so hard to accept they are a differebt class of fighters.Mundine work rate sucks and pressure from a tall guy would destroy him. The guy got beat by Manny Siaca.See this is our difference. I dont actually rate PAvlik as highly as you do. You say Pavs workrate and height is a problem for Mundine I say Chocs movement and speed is a problem for Pavlik. Thats not too hard to understand is it.
Then the Manny Siaca angle, well tell me Mundine was anywhere near his best then
boxon123
12-30-2008, 10:50 PM
See this is our difference. I dont actually rate PAvlik as highly as you do. You say Pavs workrate and height is a problem for Mundine I say Chocs movement and speed is a problem for Pavlik. Thats not too hard to understand is it.
Then the Manny Siaca angle, well tell me Mundine was anywhere near his best thenTell me mundine is anywhere near his best now! The guys work rate is to low to win any big fight. Mundine cant box tall guys that are world class .You cannot bounce back in a straight line like he does without these guys being on top of you they just walk with you and use there reach to bomb you.
boxon123
12-30-2008, 10:57 PM
TRy this Pavlik out working a boxer his own size .He has 3inches in height on Mundine. [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Tell me mundine is anywhere near his best now! The guys work rate is to low to win any big fight. Mundine cant box tall guys that are world class .You cannot bounce back in a straight line like he does without these guys being on top of you they just wolk with you and use there reach to bomb you.Well I am one of these people who think Mundine is nowhere near declined.
I give his boxing ability the benefit of the doubt when watching him fight these lesser likes. He can get away with alot like moving straight back, I feel he is a smarter fighter than we give him credit for. He has the skills and all he would need is a good game plan and i would give him better than a decent chance to beat Pav.
TRy this Pavlik out working a boxer his own size .He has 3inches in height on Mundine. [Only registered and activated users can see links] out working lazy man Taylor, this is a first.
If we are going to discuss purely workrate and nothing else then i have nothing
the beaver
12-30-2008, 11:09 PM
mundine fought waters 10 years after his prime .I am sure guy would be interested that he grew 2.5 inches after he retired.He has been beaten by every fighter taller (that had a pulse) than him easily.
What part of "about 6'4" don't u understand
Actually if you look at the 1st rd of that fight i had Guy Waters all over Mundine.
Bentchassis
12-31-2008, 12:36 AM
Mundine makes him miss and miss and miss all night long.
I'd lick Oprahs asrsehole out if Pavlik KOs him
:lol:
Well i'd munch her and Casey Donovan out if Mundine went the distance.
:lol:
Well i'd munch her and Casey Donovan out if Mundine went the distance.I'll equal Casey Donovan and raise you a kerry ann kennelly
ashley
12-31-2008, 01:01 AM
I dont think the fight will ever be made anyway.....how can it?
Mundine wil need to beat the WBA holder at MW before he gets on PAVS $ radar.....Mundine VS Sturm....just dont think this will be on....can mundine even make weight?
boxon123
12-31-2008, 01:07 AM
What part of "about 6'4" don't u understand
Actually if you look at the 1st rd of that fight i had Guy Waters all over Mundine. The part of 6ft 4" I don,t understand is that guy waters is 6ft 1" and a half and ten years past his best .A very nice guy, he was a reluctant warrior even at his best.
LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 01:13 AM
You sick bastards, I'm working my way through a 10 pack of Slade extra strength bourbon and the last thing I need is a mental image of eating Casey Donavon out.
LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 01:14 AM
Although by can#10 I'd probably be declaring my undying love for her.
Bentchassis
12-31-2008, 01:18 AM
I'll equal Casey Donovan and raise you a kerry ann kennelly
:lol: bugger it i'll do this ripe bitch then
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Bentchassis
12-31-2008, 01:29 AM
Although by can#10 I'd probably be declaring my undying love for her.
Give me 10 and kerri anne better run for cover:deal
ashley
12-31-2008, 01:46 AM
I have just downed my 10th as well....lucky it XXXX Gold or I would be :dead
:lol: bugger it i'll do this ripe bitch then
[Only registered and activated users can see links] it, I'll lick the blemishes straight off this girls tits[Only registered and activated users can see links]
You sick bastards, I'm working my way through a 10 pack of Slade extra strength bourbon and the last thing I need is a mental image of eating Casey Donavon out.Ok Ok I will start drinking aswell :deal
Fuck it, I'll lick the blemishes straight off this girls tits[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Please stop it :yikes
LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 01:57 AM
I hate to say but I've seen that pic before...thankfully not underneaath or over me.
Bentchassis
12-31-2008, 01:58 AM
hahaha .. sick puppy
Trust me the ESB lounge had a thread a lil while of a woman twice as ugly as all these put together. The Gigantuan was a thing from OUR worst nightmares :-(
LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 02:02 AM
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Ride 'em cowboy.
She literally is "as big as a fridge"
Not the girl i was thinking about but dam :admin:admin :lol::lol:
Francis75
12-31-2008, 02:14 AM
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Ride 'em cowboy.
Valuev's sister ???? :D
ashley
12-31-2008, 02:35 AM
Thats one big chick...or the others are tiny
pecks
12-31-2008, 02:37 AM
Trust me the ESB lounge had a thread a lil while of a woman twice as ugly as all these put together. The Gigantuan was a thing from OUR worst nightmares :-(
This one?...
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Yep pecks this is the girl.
Pass me another drinky poo Leon :oops:
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LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 03:08 AM
Fuck me, I'd be volunteering for Iraq after that.
Fuck me, I'd be volunteering for Iraq after that.:lol::lol::lol:
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