I take back everything that I ever said about Valuev and his chances at beating ATG'S

[mr. magoo]

Nikolay Valuev is living proof that boxing is a hell of a lot more than just being big. Truth is, he should have lost to a 45 year old man, who hadn't fought in 15 months, hasn't beaten a rated opponent in years, was nearly 1 foot shorter, god knows how many pounds lighter, and can't get a goddamn boxing license in certain areas. His fights with Donald, Ruiz and Chagaev speak similar tones.

Sorry folks, but Valuev is no champion, and frankly I would not favor him to beat Marciano, Frazier or Tyson, regardless of the fact that he is some 14 inches taller and 100+ Lbs heavier. Holyfield in his prime beats up this heavy bag, and so does Ali and Holmes. I understand now why we haven't seen a Klitschko-Valuev fight, and personally I don't think we're missing anything.

As an American, I'm glad this fight did not take place within my borders..

Have a nice evening........

[JohnThomas1]

In all honesty in the aftermath, would he even beat the mobile James Tillis? Jimmy Young would surely embarrass him would you say? Haven't seen the fight but i hear Valuev was like a big Mummy.

[Dempsey1238]

I shock>??? Not Marciano?? most people would have been betting big on Valuev to beat Marciano.

[mr. magoo]

In all honesty in the aftermath, would he even beat the mobile James Tillis? Jimmy Young would surely embarrass him would you say? Haven't seen the fight but i hear Valuev was like a big Mummy.


I saw it early this afternoon at a local bar that featured fight on satelite. It was much later in Switzerland of course. I sat down had a few beers, a little lunch and watched about 9 rounds out of 12. The fight was already in progress when I arrived. Glad I didn't pay to see it.

To answer your question John, I think there were a lot of guys who I'd pick to beat Valuev, and many of them do not necessarily fall into the realm of great either. Hell, the very version of Michael Dokes whom Holyfield slugged it out with in 1989 would certainly have my vote to beat Nikolay.

[JohnThomas1]

I'm going to do a thread tonight my time asking the hard questions that need be asked after this one. Be sure to tune in.

[mr. magoo]

I shock>??? Not Marciano?? most people would have been betting big on Valuev to beat Marciano.


Valuev's enormous size might save him from getting Ko'd, but at the horribly subpar workrate that he'd put forth, the Rock or any decent fighter would out gun him.

Size DOES matter, but you also have to have heart. This guy doesn't have a single beat.

[mr. magoo]

I'm going to do a thread tonight my time asking the hard questions that need be asked after this one. Be sure to tune in.


I'm probably going to bed soon JT. The fight has sedated me to the point where I'm drowsey, kind of like sitting in a 9 hour insurance seminar which is about equally as entertaining.

I'll catch it tommarrow if I'm not around tonight.

[Robbi]

It would have been the beginning of a fairytale closing chapter on Holyfield's career if he managed to pull it off. The 'general' forum has a lot of mixed opinions on the decision. One judge had the fight a draw. It seems that Holyfield's showing over the course of the fight was made to look better due to Valuez's poor performance. We all knew Valuez was a monster when it comes to height, reach, and weight. And those attributes would have seen him through rather than his skills. I'm not sure if Holyfield turned back the clock during stages of the fight as it's hard to make that case without having viewed the fight.

[Robbi]

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[mr. magoo]

It would have been the beginning of a fairytale closing chapter on Holyfield's career if he managed to pull it off. The 'general' forum has a lot of mixed opinions on the decision. One judge had the fight a draw. It seems that Holyfield's showing over the course of the fight was made to look better due to Valuez's poor performance. We all knew Valuez was a monster when it comes to height, reach, and weight. And those attributes would have seen him through rather than his skills. I'm not sure if Holyfield turned back the clock during stages of the fight as it's hard to make that case without having viewed the fight.


Despite his age and long range inactivity, I would seriously pick Vitali Klitschko to hurt Nikolay Valuev and badly. He would not enjoy such an enormous size advantage over either of the Klitschko's as he has against most of his other foes, and addiitonally, the Klits would have both the skills and physical tools to beat him with. In all fairness, Valuev is not the first protected heavyweight champ in the history of the sport, but a good case can be made that he is probably the most.

[janitor]

I think we can now safely say that the curent genaration of heavyweights would have been prety roughly handeled in Holyfields hayday.

[JohnThomas1]

I think we can now safely say that the curent genaration of heavyweights would have been prety roughly handeled in Holyfields hayday.

It was disappointing really wasn't it.

[ChrisPontius]

I think we can now safely say that the curent genaration of heavyweights would have been prety roughly handeled in Holyfields hayday.



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[janitor]

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I wonder if Igemer Johansen is thinking about a comeback after seing that fight.

[ChrisPontius]

I wonder if Igemer Johansen is thinking about a comeback after seing that fight.

From a man with your knowlegde, i would've expected a rational response instead of an emotionally reasoned one (talking about the former statement, not the Johanson one).

[janitor]

From a man with your knowlegde, i would've expected a rational response instead of an emotionally reasoned one (talking about the former statement, not the Johanson one).

Thats me told.

Incidentaly, dosnt this fight lead you to thin k that Valuev would have fared badly against the best fighters of the 90s such as Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis or even sombody like Golotta?

[ChrisPontius]

Thats me told.

Incidentaly, dosnt this fight lead you to thin k that Valuev would have fared badly against the best fighters of the 90s such as Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis or even sombody like Golotta?

Um, did ANYONE give him a chance against Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis, ever?

People are pretending asif Joe Louis has just fallen. Valuev is just a contender, no more no less.

[janitor]

[quote=ChrisPontius;3101474]Um, did ANYONE give him a chance against Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis, ever?


People have picked him over Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier, Sam Langford and others.


People are pretending asif Joe Louis has just fallen. Valuev is just a contender, no more no less.


He is curently ranked No4 by Ring Magazine and that ranking is probably corect.

[The Kurgan]

In all honesty in the aftermath, would he even beat the mobile James Tillis? Jimmy Young would surely embarrass him would you say? Haven't seen the fight but i hear Valuev was like a big Mummy.

Jimmy Young would win 12 rounds with just a jab to the stomach, which would be the only scoring punch... And lose the decision.

[JohnThomas1]

Jimmy Young would win 12 rounds with just a jab to the stomach, which would be the only scoring punch... And lose the decision.

:rofl

[Unforgiven]

I take back everything that I ever said about Valuev and his chances at beating ATG'S


No worries, Magoo, I always assumed you must have been joking anyway !

[Doppleganger]

Despite his age and long range inactivity, I would seriously pick Vitali Klitschko to hurt Nikolay Valuev and badly. He would not enjoy such an enormous size advantage over either of the Klitschko's as he has against most of his other foes, and addiitonally, the Klits would have both the skills and physical tools to beat him with. In all fairness, Valuev is not the first protected heavyweight champ in the history of the sport, but a good case can be made that he is probably the most.
Vitali would stop Valuev on the basis of last night's performance. It's the first time I've seen the guy fight and other than his size there was nothing world class about him at all. I've a feeling that it's gonna take a helluva deal to get Valuev's handlers to accept a fight from either Klitshcko.

[mr. magoo]

Vitali would stop Valuev on the basis of last night's performance. It's the first time I've seen the guy fight and other than his size there was nothing world class about him at all. I've a feeling that it's gonna take a helluva deal to get Valuev's handlers to accept a fight from either Klitshcko.

It might not take as much persuasion as you may think, given that after last night's performance, it may be the only decent paying opportunity he'll ever get again ( assuming he gets an offer ). I can't see why anyone would ever want to pay good money to see him fight again, and what's worse, the general forum is already screaming for a Holyfield rematch.....Yuck......

[Mendoza]

Nikolay Valuev is living proof that boxing is a hell of a lot more than just being big. Truth is, he should have lost to a 45 year old man, who hadn't fought in 15 months, hasn't beaten a rated opponent in years, was nearly 1 foot shorter, god knows how many pounds lighter, and can't get a goddamn boxing license in certain areas. His fights with Donald, Ruiz and Chagaev speak similar tones.

Sorry folks, but Valuev is no champion, and frankly I would not favor him to beat Marciano, Frazier or Tyson, regardless of the fact that he is some 14 inches taller and 100+ Lbs heavier. Holyfield in his prime beats up this heavy bag, and so does Ali and Holmes. I understand now why we haven't seen a Klitschko-Valuev fight, and personally I don't think we're missing anything.

As an American, I'm glad this fight did not take place within my borders..

Have a nice evening........


Valuev is at best 5th best of the new Eastern Euro heavies. Wlad, Vitlai, Chagaev, and Ibragimov are better, and if you ask me so is Dimitrenko.

Valuev remains super durable, huge, mildly skilled, and boring.

I would not fancy valuev over many X ring magazine champs. In fact, Valuev isn't very good by alphabet champion status either.

[Muchmoore]

In all honesty in the aftermath, would he even beat the mobile James Tillis? Jimmy Young would surely embarrass him would you say? Haven't seen the fight but i hear Valuev was like a big Mummy.

Quick Tillis at his best would box circles around Valuev. Valuev has a jab and that's it.

[JohnThomas1]

Quick Tillis at his best would box circles around Valuev. Valuev has a jab and that's it.

Exactly my point. Agreed.

[Mendoza]

Quick Tillis at his best would box circles around Valuev. Valuev has a jab and that's it.

Maybe so, but would it be enough to win a decision in Valuev's backyard?

[mr. magoo]

I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that Valuev would lose to James " Quick " Tillis, but the notion certainly isn't impossible. I definately think that many of the alpha champions of the 1980's such as Witherspoon, Tubbs, Thomas, Dokes and a few others would have won comfortable decisions over the Russian Giant. Holmes would have beaten the living piss out of him, but that's stating the obvious.

[Muchmoore]

Maybe so, but would it be enough to win a decision in Valuev's backyard?

Probably not :-(:lol:

[mr. magoo]

Probably not :-(:lol:

I don't know if Jesus Christ Almighty could win a decision in Valuev's backyard. They'd have to fight in heaven for the son of God to have a chance.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Nikolay Valuev is living proof that boxing is a hell of a lot more than just being big. Truth is, he should have lost to a 45 year old man, who hadn't fought in 15 months, hasn't beaten a rated opponent in years, was nearly 1 foot shorter, god knows how many pounds lighter, and can't get a goddamn boxing license in certain areas. His fights with Donald, Ruiz and Chagaev speak similar tones.

Sorry folks, but Valuev is no champion, and frankly I would not favor him to beat Marciano, Frazier or Tyson, regardless of the fact that he is some 14 inches taller and 100+ Lbs heavier. Holyfield in his prime beats up this heavy bag, and so does Ali and Holmes. I understand now why we haven't seen a Klitschko-Valuev fight, and personally I don't think we're missing anything.........

Spot on!

[fists of fury]

Valuev's a shitbag, and not worth talking about. And here I was worrying about Evander's well-being. :patsch

[jc]

I think it would be easier for a non-heavyweight to beat Valuev to be honest...:think

[DamonD]

Valuev's a shitbag, and not worth talking about. And here I was worrying about Evander's well-being. :patsch
I never feared for Evander's health in this bout, any more than usual for a boxer in a fight anyway. Valuev is not a big puncher, especially considering his size, and I felt Holyfield would be savvy enough to avoid or clinch from the big swings.

I fear for the mental health of that Italian judge though.