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Longhhorn71
12-22-2008, 04:37 PM
Does Cuevas hit hard enough to blast thru Floyd's defense?
Cuevas would go to the body and come back up to the head with his hooks.
GPater11093
12-22-2008, 04:49 PM
i think floyd would win this as cuevas wouldnt know how to deal with his defence and get picked off with counters in a wide but well fought UD
laxpdx
12-22-2008, 05:36 PM
I could see Mayweather winning by decision IF Pipino doesn't KO him in a most brutal manner first. Mayweather has good defensive skills, however if Jose catches him with few good whacks, he will be in trouble. Gotta give Cuevas the edge here. Floyd hasn't faced a puncher like him.
GPater11093
12-22-2008, 05:43 PM
i think your underrating PBF's chin i think cuevas has great power but mayweather only rarely gets hit so even if he did get hit with afew big shots he would shrug them off
la-califa
12-22-2008, 05:45 PM
Cuevas did very well against slick fighters, who didn't really pose a danger of hurting him. Angel Espada, Clyde Gray, Harold Weston Jr., Pete Ranzany. To be successful Mayweather would have to fight to a very strict gameplan. Like Andy "The Hawk" Price did to Cuevas early in his career.
Rebel-INS
12-22-2008, 06:13 PM
i think your underrating PBF's chin i think cuevas has great power but mayweather only rarely gets hit so even if he did get hit with afew big shots he would shrug them off
There is no way Floyd would shrug off a clean shot from Cuevas.
GPater11093
12-22-2008, 06:18 PM
when has floyd ever been hurt and really shown it
la-califa
12-22-2008, 06:24 PM
when has floyd ever been hurt and really shown it When did anyone ever shrug off a Cuevas left hook? While he was in his prime?
Rebel-INS
12-22-2008, 06:25 PM
when has floyd ever been hurt and really shown it
That's due to his defence, not his chin. If he got hit flush with a Cuevas hook he'd be on the floor for the count.
GPater11093
12-22-2008, 06:27 PM
i'm not saying he would stay on his feet but he wouldnt be KO'd or stopped and he would still win a competitive UD
PowerPuncher
12-22-2008, 06:35 PM
Mayweather would beat Cuevas to the punch get in and out, keeps moving, doesn't let Cuevas plant his feet and peppers a puzzled Mexican with shots from all angles. Similar to Duran-Cuevas but less aggressive, Pipino goes the 12 or is stopped late on accumulation
GPater11093
12-22-2008, 06:37 PM
maywetaher definitly wouldnt stop cuevas as he wouldnt be throwin hard shots
PowerPuncher
12-22-2008, 07:00 PM
maywetaher definitly wouldnt stop cuevas as he wouldnt be throwin hard shots
Mayweather's an underrated puncher, no one else did what he did to Corrales and Hatton. He'd have plenty of opportunities to tag Cuevas time after time after time
radianttwilight
12-22-2008, 07:30 PM
Corrales was a 130lber. Hatton was a 140lber.
Cuevas was a BIG, hard-punching 147lber.
Raging B(_)LL
12-22-2008, 07:30 PM
Mayweather's an underrated puncher, no one else did what he did to Corrales and Hatton. He'd have plenty of opportunities to tag Cuevas time after time after time
Your making it seem like Cuevas ain`t nothing but a welterweight version of Arturo Gatti, which he ain`t. Sure, Floyd will have plenty of countering opportunitys and all, but he ain`t going to capitalize on them without risking his own neck in the process as Cuevas won`t just be standing there idle. He`ll be firing right back and looking to land anything on Floyd as soon as he is in range so my guess is Floyd will be very selective with his offense and will only commit to throwing anything when he feels it is safe to do so.
And Mayweather ain`t no puncher at 147, the Hatton stoppage notwithstanding he hasn`t shown what can be considered a legitimate punch at the weight and certainly not anything to tame Cuevas with. My guess is that Floyd fights a strictly safety first type of fight and stinks out the joint en route to a close decision win or loss, depends on what the judges will favour, Floyd`s careful potshotting or Cuevas aggression.
And since Floyd`s chin has crept up in this disscussion, I`ll agree with those who say that he has demonstrated a good chin, but there is a world of difference between getting hit by JL Castillo/Ricky Hatton and Pipino Cuevas who had a nasty little habit of leaving his opposition in a heap of broken bones and eye sockets after he caved their faces and ribs in with his left hook.
And frankly Cuevas wasn`t some mindless, walk in a straight line drone, the man knew what he was doing in there and while he didn`t look pretty doing his thing I`ll be damned if he didn`t leave an impressive legacy behind considering his shortcomings. Floyd has a chance in this fight, but he`s a decided underdog in this one as far as I`m concerned, not the other way around and he has to fight a damn near perfect fight in order to get the win.
WhataRock
12-22-2008, 08:20 PM
I will say this... even though Floyd has proven to have a decent chin, there is absolutely no way he could "shrug" off shots from Cueves and still be standing or at least stick to a winning gameplan...and thats no knock on Floyd..there just isnt anyone that could.
I think over 12 Floyd would win a clear decision but he would have to work very hard for it and would probably want to leave the welter division as soon as he could...big difference from taking shots from average 140 pounders to taking them from the one of the biggest punchers to lace them up at 147.
Sweet Pea
12-22-2008, 08:20 PM
when has floyd ever been hurt and really shown itHe was hurt by Demarcus Corley at 140 for fuck's sake, and you're thinking he's shrugging off Cuevas's bombs at 147? This is why you have no credibility when it comes to Floyd.
sweet_scientist
12-22-2008, 08:21 PM
I can easily see this one turning into PBF-Castillo I. A fight I thought Castillo won by the way.
I may not give Margarito that much of a chance against Floyd, but I see things differently with Cuevas. A level up on Tony imo.
Robbi
12-22-2008, 10:14 PM
I don't see any concrete evidence to suggest that Cuevas would knock out Mayweather. Thats combining Mayweather's defense, his chin, and recovery powers when he needed them. Cuevas' power was rather lethal to say the least. But for the likelyness of the knockout happening, it would need to be a war with Mayweather taking punches round after round. Mayweather would need to be reckless to give Cuevas those opportunities.
Mayweather never fought a puncher as devastating as Cuevas. But that doesn't automatically mean he gets knocked out. Styles make fights. I think Hearns would be a more solid bet for scoring a KO. He's got the speed, height, reach, jab to control the fight, and everything needed to land punches regularly on Mayweather. Cuevas doesn't IMO.
Mayweather fought Castillo with one hand as he had a torn rotator cuff.
sweet_scientist
12-23-2008, 12:08 AM
Mayweather fought Castillo with one hand as he had a torn rotator cuff.
When he fought him in total health he still lost 4 to 5 rounds.
WhataRock
12-23-2008, 12:14 AM
When he fought him in total health he still lost 4 to 5 rounds.
Exactly the 2nd fight proved the first was no fluke.
GPater11093
12-23-2008, 06:33 AM
robbi he wasnt that hurt against corley and if i remember he kind of stumbled at the start of the round then at the end hurt corley
so proving his power of recoveries
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