Amateur to pro.

[Mendoza]

How about a thread that announces which former top amateur has gone pro?

[Quick'N'Slick]

Amateur to pro is a hard thing to do. There are many Euros going pro over the past 15 years who were not allowed to do so in earlier days. You will find many of them will be busts in the pro ranks, after good amateur careers

[lefty]

Not enough talk about amateur boxing on esb, am i the only one who is a bigger fan of the ams than the pros? If anybody knows a good forum with discussion about am boxing please let me know.

[Kolya]

Not enough talk about amateur boxing on esb, am i the only one who is a bigger fan of the ams than the pros? If anybody knows a good forum with discussion about am boxing please let me know.


You're not, I am too.

[Mendoza]

I am disapointed that neither gold medal winner at super heavy or heavy has gone pro.

[Kolya]

I am disapointed that neither gold medal winner at super heavy or heavy has gone pro.


It's not surprising. Camarelle has no reason to, nor does Chakhiev either. Pro boxing isn't really the big be all and end all over there that it is for American boxers.

[Mendoza]

It's not surprising. Camarelle has no reason to, nor does Chakhiev either. Pro boxing isn't really the big be all and end all over there that it is for American boxers.


Well, I think Chagaev and Ibragimov made well over 2-3 million dollars as professionals to date. Povetkin will make at least that much as soon as he gets a title shot.

The money should be reason enough for Cammarelle, and Chakhiev to use their top end boxing skills in the professional ranks.

Boxing always needs top amateur talent to turn professional. If a top amateur wants has a great career outside of the ring, I can understand why they do not turn pro. In Cammarelle's case, he's a cop which might be even more dangerous than being a boxer.

Cammarelle to me has great natural talent. Maybe he perfers the easier matches of the amatuer ranks?

Chakhiev lacks Cammarelle's natural talent, but if you ask me he's a real fighter from within. He should go pro for sure.

[11player]

Well, I think Chagaev and Ibragimov made well over 2-3 million dollars as professionals to date. Povetkin will make at least that much as soon as he gets a title shot.

The money should be reason enough for Cammarelle, and Chakhiev to use their top end boxing skills in the professional ranks.

Boxing always needs top amateur talent to turn professional. If a top amateur wants has a great career outside of the ring, I can understand why they do not turn pro. In Cammarelle's case, he's a cop which might be even more dangerous than being a boxer.

Cammarelle to me has great natural talent. Maybe he perfers the easier matches of the amatuer ranks?

Chakhiev lacks Cammarelle's natural talent, but if you ask me he's a real fighter from within. He should go pro for sure.

Completelly agree.

Just to corroborate on the financial part, the news were that Ibragimov's side got US$ 5 mil. for the unification fight with Wlad alone.

I can't understand why someone would not have the ambition to be all that he can be at the sport/profession he chose and dedicated such amount of his life to, specially when you got the talent to achieve everything.

[Kolya]

Well, I think Chagaev and Ibragimov made well over 2-3 million dollars as professionals to date. Povetkin will make at least that much as soon as he gets a title shot.

The money should be reason enough for Cammarelle, and Chakhiev to use their top end boxing skills in the professional ranks.

Boxing always needs top amateur talent to turn professional. If a top amateur wants has a great career outside of the ring, I can understand why they do not turn pro. In Cammarelle's case, he's a cop which might be even more dangerous than being a boxer.

Cammarelle to me has great natural talent. Maybe he perfers the easier matches of the amatuer ranks?

Chakhiev lacks Cammarelle's natural talent, but if you ask me he's a real fighter from within. He should go pro for sure.


Or maybe Camarelle prefers his job as a police officer and the subsidy he gets from the Italian government. From what I understand he's very well known in Italy; if he's well known and famous and makes a lot of money and doesn't have to get his brains beat in doing it; why should he bother going pro? That's for people with no other options.

[Kolya]

Completelly agree.

Just to corroborate on the financial part, the news were that Ibragimov's side got US$ 5 mil. for the unification fight with Wlad alone.

I can't understand why someone would not have the ambition to be all that he can be at the sport/profession he chose and dedicated such amount of his life to, specially when you got the talent to achieve everything.


He's an Olympic Gold Medalist. He has achieved the highest award in the sport that he loves-amateur boxing.

[Mendoza]

He's an Olympic Gold Medalist. He has achieved the highest award in the sport that he loves-amateur boxing.

I think Cammarelle loves the limelight, but I get the hunch he doesn't like being a fighter which is why he prefers to be a big fish in a small pond.

A cop in Italy makes what, $40,000 Euro's at best. In 20 years time that's $800,000 Euros. If Cammarelle wanted to he could make at least 4x this amount in the pro ring in 4 years time.

Maybe Damiani or Vidoz can talk some sense into him.

[Kolya]

I think Cammarelle loves the limelight, but I get the hunch he doesn't like being a fighter which is why he prefers to be a big fish in a small pond.

A cop in Italy makes what, $40,000 Euro's at best. In 20 years time that's $800,000 Euros. If Cammarelle wanted to he could make at least 4x this amount in the pro ring in 4 years time.

Maybe Damiani or Vidoz can talk some sense into him.

Ah, I can practically imagine that conversation.

"Roberto! I have a great idea! Give up your secure job and risk taking long term cognitive damage so you can be even RICHER and amuse people who you'll never meet! Doesn't that sound like a good idea? Uh....Roberto? You still there?"

[lefty]

Ah, I can practically imagine that conversation.

"Roberto! I have a great idea! Give up your secure job and risk taking long term cognitive damage so you can be even RICHER and amuse people who you'll never meet! Doesn't that sound like a good idea? Uh....Roberto? You still there?"

:lol:

[Mendoza]

Ah, I can practically imagine that conversation.

"Roberto! I have a great idea! Give up your secure job and risk taking long term cognitive damage so you can be even RICHER and amuse people who you'll never meet! Doesn't that sound like a good idea? Uh....Roberto? You still there?"

Well, he is boxing. Why not give that up all together? It is the safe way. Do you like that idea Kolya?

As for Roberto's job as a cop ( which is more dangerous than boxing ), he can always go back to it if boxing doesn't work out for him.

I support amateur boxing because I like the sport, but the way its judged, scored and officiated, its not easy to be a fan of amateur boxing. Pro boxing is soooo much better.

[NBT]

Maybe Damiani or Vidoz can talk some sense into him.
:lol: I don't think that looking at those guys professional careers will urge him to turn pro, I severely doubt both made much money in their career.

I like amateur boxing much more than pro boxing because I am a fan of the sport and pro boxing obviously lacks in that aspect. Ultimately it's a business, an entertainment business that in principle isn't that much different from what happenend 2000 years ago in the arenas of Rom. So it is a significant risk to turn pro if you are a successful amateur, you have a lot to lose but what you can gain is uncertain. Contrary to popular believe the transition from an amateur to an professianl boxer is certainly not a natural evolution, it is taking a totally different direction in your life. So you have to answer some questions, are you confident that your talent suits pro boxing, are you willing to take on a much more dangerous and unhealty profession, are you willing to put up with all the politcs involved? I totally respect it if someone chooses to stay away from pro boxing

[Kolya]

:lol: I don't think that looking at those guys professional careers will urge him to turn pro, I severely doubt both made much money in their career.

I like amateur boxing much more than pro boxing because I am a fan of the sport and pro boxing obviously lacks in that aspect. Ultimately it's a business, an entertainment business that in principle isn't that much different from what happenend 2000 years ago in the arenas of Rom. So it is a significant risk to turn pro if you are a successful amateur, you have a lot to lose but what you can gain is uncertain. Contrary to popular believe the transition from an amateur to an professianl boxer is certainly not a natural evolution, it is taking a totally different direction in your life. So you have to answer some questions, are you confident that your talent suits pro boxing, are you willing to take on a much more dangerous and unhealty profession, are you willing to put up with all the politcs involved? I totally respect it if someone chooses to stay away from pro boxing


I agree completely with all points you've made here.

[avk47]

Two points;

"Professional boxing is like slavery"- Felix Savon

Islam Timurziev is still a violent retard!!!

According to Lebziak he has retired and is looking to get into coaching.

[MrSmall]

You do realise that most Olympic medalists get huge sums from the government?

[NBT]

According to Lebziak he has retired and is looking to get into coaching.
Not happy to hear that. :-( He is still young enough, he could have easily stayed for another Olympic cycle. It's not like the competition, domestic and world wide, is any better than him.

[avk47]

Not happy to hear that. :-( He is still young enough, he could have easily stayed for another Olympic cycle. It's not like the competition, domestic and world wide, is any better than him.

On the other hand, he is very prone to injuries which means that he regularly falls short of his potential and is unstable. It is tough for a winner who is capable of the very top to regularly lose because his body can't take it and overall instability of performance.

[Artani]

Not happy to hear that. :-( He is still young enough, he could have easily stayed for another Olympic cycle. It's not like the competition, domestic and world wide, is any better than him.

I agree, he can do better in pro, why to not try ...

[Kolya]

I agree, he can do better in pro, why to not try ...



You would think being RSC'd by David Price wouldn't help your confidence.

[NBT]

On the other hand, he is very prone to injuries which means that he regularly falls short of his potential and is unstable. It is tough for a winner who is capable of the very top to regularly lose because his body can't take it and overall instability of performance.
You do have a point here but I still think it's too early to hang them up. Maybe he should have taken a longer break from boxing. I mean look at Cammarelle, he was second league for years, when better guys were around, now he is World and Olympic champion. If healthy Timurziev can always beat him.
You would think being RSC'd by David Price wouldn't help your confidence.
Au contraire :nono Not Price but the referee RSC'd him and no one else, don't get the facts wrong. :(

[Kolya]

You do have a point here but I still think it's too early to hang them up. Maybe he should have taken a longer break from boxing. I mean look at Cammarelle, he was second league for years, when better guys were around, now he is World and Olympic champion. If healthy Timurziev can always beat him.

Au contraire :nono Not Price but the referee RSC'd him and no one else, don't get the facts wrong. :(


I don't exactly understand your love of Islam Timurziev. He's certainly no Povetkin.

[NBT]

Well, I don't understand the "love" for several other fighters who are getting a lot of hype here, that's just the way it is I guess. Timurziev is no Povetkin but I don't think that's a bad thing as I am in fact not a too big fan of Povetkin. I mean, I followed his career for a long time and I think i know _how_ good exactly he is so maybe that's the reason.

[avk47]

You do have a point here but I still think it's too early to hang them up. Maybe he should have taken a longer break from boxing. I mean look at Cammarelle, he was second league for years, when better guys were around, now he is World and Olympic champion. If healthy Timurziev can always beat him.

Au contraire :nono Not Price but the referee RSC'd him and no one else, don't get the facts wrong. :(

The difference is that Camarelle wasn't at the top because Povetkin was simply beter than him, as were Cubans such as Solis (when he went to superheavy), Pedro Carrion, and even a superheavy Roman Romanchuk. Timurziev, while he is no Povetkin for sure, on the other hand is a superior fighter to Zhang Zhilei, Price etc. but yet he loses to them because of various circumstances. Saying a healthy Timurziev can beat Camarelle is accurate, but how often is he healthy?

[11player]

Not questioning the pro vs amateur debate here, but I get the feeling that guys like Camarelle and Timurziev are not getting any good offers to turn pro.

Timurziev should take some time off to heal his body, but he is too talented to walk away from the ring yet.

It will be sad if both big hopes do not make the jump to the pros.

[Artani]

You would think being RSC'd by David Price wouldn't help your confidence.

Everybody this happens ... Bowe lost from Lewis in the olimpics and was better after in pro and wins world title, faster than Lewis. Same we can say for Tyson who lost from Biggs and aftter Tyson dominante in pro...
Why not Timurziev to not go in pro, he is good fighter. He just need one good trainer and one good manager, looked today who is keeping titles, Wlad, Vitali, Valuev. Im sure 100% that Timurziev are better prospect and better talent than Klitschko was youngs. Remember when Klitschkos debuts in pro, all world smiling with them, Valuev also, all people saying "Where you find this man" sent him in circus. Today this fighters keeping titles.

What is better style for example Dimitrenko, Kreyschman or any else than Timurziev ...

Boytsov is diferent story, he is born to be fighter, I`m waiting him to dominante in heavyweight division. He is promice and new Tyson.

Povetkin is also good fighter who can be world champion .

[NBT]

The difference is that Camarelle wasn't at the top because Povetkin was simply beter than him, as were Cubans such as Solis (when he went to superheavy), Pedro Carrion, and even a superheavy Roman Romanchuk.
Well, Cammarelle as the reigning World and Olympic Champion is now the top guy at SHW but this is not because he suddenly improved that much. Imo he didn't show much development in the last few years and the main reason for his success is that the quality isn't that great at the SHW right now. And he did and continues to lose to lesser fighters than Povetkin or Solis. Somewhat known guys that beat him also include Kretschmann, Aripgadjiyev, Ibragimov, Pulev, Saidov but he did also lose to a couple of complete no-names.

yet he loses to them because of various circumstances.
Well, he had a bit of bad luck in the last 2 years but probability says it won't always be this way. Many fighters lose fights they would win easily under "normal" circumstances, think of Wlad vs. Puritty/Brewster, that's life, no reason not to go on, if you can still do it.

[avk47]

Meanwhile Lebziak is no longer the head coach of the Russian national team. He has been voted off, and the leadership has been returned to Khromov, who was the coach for 1991-2005. There are rumors that Lebziak will get hired by Azerbaijan's team, and former junior amateur champion David Arshba may be representing Azerbaijan in the next world championships also.