Berry Butler Vs Haxhi Krasniqi

[albaneze]

What do you people think? Will Krasniqi win this match.

I know Butler is a more experienced fighter and lately has started to perform better, but i personally think that Haxhi has quite a big probability of Winning.

GO HAXHI......

[Odo]

What do you people think? Will Krasniqi win this match.

I know Butler is a more experienced fighter and lately has started to perform better, but i personally think that Haxhi has quite a big probability of Winning.

GO HAXHI......

I have never seen Hahxi inside a box ring neither live nor on tv.After having had a look at his fight record I cant really see him beat such a cagey,experienced,and hard-punching opponent like Butler.My guess is that Haxhi has too much on his plate with Butler.

[unitas]

depends on how much butler has left. but he sure can punch....so maybe we´ll find out how much haxhi can take.

but going over his record this is a tremendous step up in class.

[Odo]

depends on how much butler has left. but he sure can punch....so maybe we´ll find out how much haxhi can take.

but going over his record this is a tremendous step up in class.


Butler has already shared the ring with some very decent opponents whereas Haxhi's record is padded with countless no-hopers.
Butler went the distance with guys like Tarver,but was brutally knocked out by Denis Lebedev.I watched Butler vs Lebedev live,and I freely admit that the Butler 's ko was the most vicious and obnoxious one I have ever seen live in a box arena.Butler was lying on the ring like a slaughtered whale being unconsicious for serveral minutes.I for my part thought that Butler's career would be over and that he would quit boxing for good.Obviously I was wrong.Since that devastating ko loss to Lebedev Butler has won all his outings to a box ring-against decent opposition by the way(Sam Reese,and so on).Butler is a capable and tough journeyman whereas Haxhi is totally unknown with a pathetic fight record.Haxhi is the huge underdog against Butler IMO.

[boxexpert]

theres no way that krasniqi will win this fight,no chance

[albaneze]

Interesting.. But i am still convinced that Haxhi has quite a good potential.
I believe in him, he is young and he will prove himself he deserves to be there.

GO HAXHI.

[boxexpert]

well,nothing against that young guy. from a serious point of view, he will not win this fight unless they cheat on butler.

haxhi has no amateur-background at all and became pro with only 18,thats way too early. with 26-28 he will bwe burnt out completely like michel trabant...

but i still wish him best luck

[Odo]

What do you people think? Will Krasniqi win this match.

I know Butler is a more experienced fighter and lately has started to perform better, but i personally think that Haxhi has quite a big probability of Winning.

GO HAXHI......

Have you watched Haxhi vs Butler,albaneze?

I havent seen that fight.According to the news Haxhi vs Butler could have gone either way.The Albanian won a close point decision against that teak tough American vet.
Props to Haxhi!
He seems to be better than I thought before!

[Luigi1985]

Have you watched Haxhi vs Butler,albaneze?

I havent seen that fight.According to the news Haxhi vs Butler could have gone either way.The Albanian won a close point decision against that teak tough American vet.
Props to Haxhi!
He seems to be better than I thought before!



I think it was a bad robbery, otherwise albaneze would create one thread after the other and would say that Haxhi is a future HOF like he did it before the fight...

[unitas]

had the american not been penelized, it would have been a draw. so i guess its pretty safe to call it a robbery.

haxi krasniqui, from what i have seen, can box a little, but has zero power!!

i do not see enough talent in him to become more than a german international champ.

[Jens S]

I was in Köln Arena. Haxhi Krasniqi got a controversial win. We were two who had him losing by one point and one had it a draw. But the judges saw it 59-55, 59-56 and 57-56. Krasniqi had clearly gotten the scores and ran. Butler being a thinking man figured that out and started chasing Krasniqi and opened himself to counter and lost the round. Even if Butler had won the last round and scored a knockdown, he wouldn't have won. The two judges that only had Butler winning one round was a disgrace.

Jens

[Axe]

I was in Köln Arena. Haxhi Krasniqi got a controversial win. We were two who had him losing by one point and one had it a draw. But the judges saw it 59-55, 59-56 and 57-56. Krasniqi had clearly gotten the scores and ran. Butler being a thinking man figured that out and started chasing Krasniqi and opened himself to counter and lost the round. Even if Butler had won the last round and scored a knockdown, he wouldn't have won. The two judges that only had Butler winning one round was a disgrace.

Jens

I had it the same as you. Very controversial decision imo, though Haxhi is actually a decent fighter.

[Artani]

Haxhi Krasniqi is very promice fighter. I sent him one one soulution to not fight any more some experinced fighters like Buttler. He is young and dont need to hurry. He is future champion.

[albaneze]

Sorry for my absence over here. I watched the fight and i admit that it was quite close but the penalization that buttler got gave the match to MY HAXHI.
He is very Young just 19 years old. He has time and determination to improve a lot on his punching power, while his technique will become better and better.

I think that the match was not a robbery it was just stupid for Buttler to hit Haxhi under the belt, and hurt him. Point reduced there for Buttler and that what has turned the match totally against him.

Once you create that opinion to the judges that you are a dirty fighter than it can also effect the way they give the decisions on the shots you land.

Therefore My HAXHI has won and i am proud of him, and i really hope we will see him on the future boxing for big titles.

Thanks to everyone who wrote in this thread.

GO HAXHI....

[agusta]

No doubt it was a hometown dicision.

Butler landed a shot under the belt, and got a point deducted. It was okay. But do you think, the referee would have taken a point from Krasniqi, if he had done the same thing to Butler? My answer is no.

Krasniqi was very active, but he didn’t land anything at Butler, who was the clever fighter. Butler won round 1, 3, 4 and 5, while the final round was close. But okay, let’s give it to Krasniqi. It still ends up with a 57-56 dicision for Butler. But not in Germany…

It was disgusting to see Krasniqi in the last round. He knew he was ahead on the cards and therefore he just ran. But when the fight was close, why could he be so sure, that he was ahead on the cards? Someone must have told him the scores. That’s it.

But shouldn’t the supervisor keep the scorecards as a secret until the fight was over? Of course the ansvar is yes, but in Germany rules are not always rules. If they need to break a rule or two to get a win for the German fighter they’ll do it. It’s a fucked up country to fight as an “opponent”. Knock the German fighter out, and you might get a draw.

In the Krasniqi-Butler fight, we saw the referee help the German fighter – and Butler still won the fight. Just not in Germany… The two judges, who just gave one round to Butler, deserves an execution.

Haxhi Krasniqi is a non-skilled and non-talented fighter, who doesn’t deserve to fight as a pro. Since he turned pro, he has only fought bums. And two of the bums has beaten him! Forget everything about this boy. Everyone, who is at the European rankings will knock him out without problems.

[Artani]

No doubt it was a hometown dicision.

Butler landed a shot under the belt, and got a point deducted. It was okay. But do you think, the referee would have taken a point from Krasniqi, if he had done the same thing to Butler? My answer is no.

Krasniqi was very active, but he didn’t land anything at Butler, who was the clever fighter. Butler won round 1, 3, 4 and 5, while the final round was close. But okay, let’s give it to Krasniqi. It still ends up with a 57-56 dicision for Butler. But not in Germany…

It was disgusting to see Krasniqi in the last round. He knew he was ahead on the cards and therefore he just ran. But when the fight was close, why could he be so sure, that he was ahead on the cards? Someone must have told him the scores. That’s it.

But shouldn’t the supervisor keep the scorecards as a secret until the fight was over? Of course the ansvar is yes, but in Germany rules are not always rules. If they need to break a rule or two to get a win for the German fighter they’ll do it. It’s a fucked up country to fight as an “opponent”. Knock the German fighter out, and you might get a draw.

In the Krasniqi-Butler fight, we saw the referee help the German fighter – and Butler still won the fight. Just not in Germany… The two judges, who just gave one round to Butler, deserves an execution.

Haxhi Krasniqi is a non-skilled and non-talented fighter, who doesn’t deserve to fight as a pro. Since he turned pro, he has only fought bums. And two of the bums has beaten him! Forget everything about this boy. Everyone, who is at the European rankings will knock him out without problems.

Welcome in the ESB forum agusta .
The fight can be draw but Buttler hit Krasniqi one time under belt and that lowblow lost him fight. Any way young Krasniqi is very promised fighter and he is future.

He have offers from Saurland and Universum . I think he will choice Universum.

[Jens S]

Krasniqis technique is ridilous at this point. He couldn't even throw a straight right. If he really didn't have an amateur career it explains a lot. The win was a swindle because he was given the score and could box according to it.

Jens

[albaneze]

Krasniqis technique is ridilous at this point. He couldn't even throw a straight right. If he really didn't have an amateur career it explains a lot. The win was a swindle because he was given the score and could box according to it.

Jens
Its amaizing how do you people know that somebody has given him the score. Are you out of your minds, the scores are secret there are microphones all over the place if such think happens everything woud be recorded and it will become a big issue.
Its very depressive reading the posts you bums make about the judges being bias and all this fantasy crap.

HAXHI deserved the win and will work on improving himself, and i assure you that one day we will see him fighting big time, his idol is Muhammad Ali and his style is quite simmilar, he is trying to follow Alis steps and i really hope one day ha manages get closed to ALI the greatest of ALL TIMES...

GO HAXHI..

[agusta]

Albaneze, try to open your eyes!

In the final round, Krasniqi just ran away. How could he be so sure that he was ahead on the cards?

When Sven Ottke runs in the final round, and a few minutes later gets a split dicision, you don’t think he knows anything about the scorecards? Come on!

Don’t try to write Haxhi Krasniqi to a great prospect just because he is your friend. That you know him doesn’t make him better, and Haxhi Krasniqi is not a great talent.

[albaneze]

Augusta, try to think a little more.

Concluding the match with PTS for HAXHI 19 yrs old was a success. Everyone was sceptical before the match Buttler is too much for the young Haxhi etc etc, he will be KO-ed or KD bla bla. haxhi was sure for one thing he did land clear and point winning punches thought he needs to work a bit more on the power of those punches ok. But his shots were way clearer than Buttlers one.

It was a challenge for Haxhi to go until the last round, thats why Haxhi wasnt running he was dancing, dont mistake the athletic movement of a boxer in the ring with the turning you back and running from the opponent.

Anyways time will tell and prove that Haxhi is good and will become better.

[agusta]

Krasniqi changed his style 100% in the final round. And he did run away! Of course he knew the cards.

Krasniqi landed clear?? No fucking way! A lot of times, Butler easily danced away when Krasniqi tried to land hard punches.

But let me see your scorecard. How did you score the rounds?

[albaneze]

I had it close to a draw on overall taking in consideration the point reduction for buttler for me Haxhi won it, thats it.

[limi_7]

Agusta, I know you feel this decision was bias, but before this fight took place, there was sure talk about a KO decision by butler. Krasniqi proved to be a tougher foe so we had to go for a decision. I mean common man, a fighter knows when he is winning rounds thats not hard to say. It wasn't krasniqi's fault that buttler low blowed him! Those are the rules similiar to every sport in this world. Sure it was a close call, but a mistake from butler caused him a loss.

[KillerInstinct]

Was Butler warned at all for low blows before getting a pont deducted? If it happens that Butler was deducted a point for his first low blow, then I do think something fishy would be going on.

[agusta]

Agusta, I know you feel this decision was bias, but before this fight took place, there was sure talk about a KO decision by butler. Krasniqi proved to be a tougher foe so we had to go for a decision. I mean common man, a fighter knows when he is winning rounds thats not hard to say. It wasn't krasniqi's fault that buttler low blowed him! Those are the rules similiar to every sport in this world. Sure it was a close call, but a mistake from butler caused him a loss.

"but before this fight took place, there was sure talk about a KO decision by butler."

And so what? I don't care about what people said before the fight. Do you give extra points to Krasniqi because some people predicted a knockout victory for Butler?

"a fighter knows when he is winning rounds thats not hard to say"
Bullshit! The Krasniqi/Butler-fight was quite close. When Krasniqi decided to run away in the final round, he must be 100% sure, that he was ahead with at least two points on at least two cards. Could anyone be sure about that in this fight? No way!

When Sven Ottke runs away in the final round, and minutes later gets a majority dicision, you just think, it's because he scored top notes in Math at school? How could he be so sure, that the judges scored the first eleven rounds 7-4 or 6-4-1 and not 6-5?

1) Someone has told him the scorecards?
2) He knows, that even if the foreign fighters wins with 2-4 points, the German will get the dicision in Germany?

[Jens S]

I know a person sitting in the Sauerland entourage for an Ottke-fight. The scores were told to people at ringside. It also happens in Denmark. At the Bredahl-Moya-fight I was sitting first row. Between round I stood up and leaned forward and looked the supervisor over the shoulder and saw the score. That is how easy it was for a WBA-title fight in Denmark. But it doesn't happen i Germany? Wake up.

Jens