why are people writing Hatton off against pacman?

[TIGEREDGE]

manny pac has not proved himself at lightweight let alone light welter. sure he beat a weight drained, inactive veteran in oscar de la hoya at welterweight. but come on, that was not odlh. it was a punch bag with a face and body like oscar

oscar had not fought at that weight for years

it was only 10 months ago we were questioning whther manny was the best at super feather. he was lucky to beat marquez

sure he looked great against diaz but he was not one of the elite at that weight. if he beat the other diaz, guzman or cambell so impressively, the odds on manny would be justified

[Boxing Fanatic]

The truth is, I don't think Hatton has a chance against Manny. Hatton's style works right into Manny's. A Guzman, or anybody else who can box, would give Manny problems.

[GazOC]

6 months ago people were saying that Pac-Hatton was a mismatch in Hattons favour, now because Pac has beaten the plodding Diaz at 135 and a far from prime (to put it politely) Oscar he's going to brutalize Hatton at 140?

Pac has virtually no form at 130+.

[9Ball]

Although Malignaggi put in a shocking performance against Hatton it showed that at 140lbs Ricky is extremely competetive. Remember almost everyone was saying that Malignaggi was going to box Ricky's head off...Hatton can be more elusive if he keeps improving under Mayweather, he will pressure (grab hit and hold) Pac and will have 100% more success than ODLH did. Will it be enough to wear down the Pacman?? I don't know...but I think it will be a great fight.
I would edge towards a late stoppage win for Pac.

[BIG WORM]

no1 has a clue how the fight will go..

i think it'll be pretty competitive, then hatton stops him later on around the 9-11 rounds

[john b]

6 months ago people were saying that Pac-Hatton was a mismatch in Hattons favour, now because Pac has beaten the plodding Diaz at 135 and a far from prime (to put it politely) Oscar he's going to brutalize Hatton at 140?

Pac has virtually no form at 130+.

Very true.:good

[maka]

just dont know with this one, manny's movement versus oscar was breathtaking at times, although there wasnt much to move from, but he did look lively, head and legs boppin back and forward.

but on the other hand, hatton wouldnt give him the time to move like that, we'll just have to see if the fight gets made, what with mayweather supposedly gatecrashing their talks.

[Watto]

This will be a craking fight,theres no way id write Hatton off,on the other hand theres no way id write pacman off either,you will get the critics saying that Hatton is done,for me i dont think so,this is one fight im looking forward to

[mattress]

Boxing fans are a fickle bunch.....usually with short memories too.

[kurt2006]

Hatton is being written off for the same reason people wrote off Bruno when he faced Tyson. The average Sun reader may think Hatton will beat Pacman but everyone who has a bit of nouse knows what will happen.

ODH was not weight drained, the scales were dodgy and understated his actual weight. Also Pacman just too good for him.

[Beeston Brawler]

They are putting far too much emphasis on the Diaz win for me.

If you ignore their records as fighters (Hatton and Diaz) and simply look at the 'Tale of The Tape' you will see that they are pretty much the same size and have similar reach. Their styles are essentially the same - pressure fighters.....

But.....

Hatton is faster
Hatton is a bigger puncher
Hatton has more variety to his punches, and possesses a better jab (WTF)
Hatton has better defence (again WTF)
Hatton has a better chin

Basically.....

Hatton is better in every department than Diaz, either P4P or H2H. Anyone who says that Diaz was anything other than a handpicked opponent for Pacquiao wants shooting.

[Killer Instinct]

nice post

[BIG WORM]

pacs overrated by the boxing fans, and hattons underrated

[PowerPuncher]

They are putting far too much emphasis on the Diaz win for me.

If you ignore their records as fighters (Hatton and Diaz) and simply look at the 'Tale of The Tape' you will see that they are pretty much the same size and have similar reach. Their styles are essentially the same - pressure fighters.....

But.....

Hatton is faster
Hatton is a bigger puncher
Hatton has more variety to his punches, and possesses a better jab (WTF)
Hatton has better defence (again WTF)
Hatton has a better chin

Basically.....

Hatton is better in every department than Diaz, either P4P or H2H. Anyone who says that Diaz was anything other than a handpicked opponent for Pacquiao wants shooting.

Now switch the comparison round and do it for Pacman-Hatton:

Pacman is faster
Pacman has a better defense
Pacman has better stamina
Pacman has superior technique
Pacman has a better jab and straight
Pacman has better movement/footwork

Not to mention the style really suits Pacman, his opponent is there to be hit and exchange, hes the better boxer. He won't have problems with movement/timing like Marquez provided. Hatton has problems with southpaws

The thing about the Delahoya fight that was most important was it proved Pacman could weigh in at 142 and fight at 149 keeping his same level of P4P performance.

[Cobbler]

ODH was not weight drained, the scales were dodgy and understated his actual weight. Also Pacman just too good for him.

You think that all the other fighters on the card went to the weigh-in 3lbs overweight and that DLH lost weight in reality between the weigh-in and fight time? :nut

[trotter]

Basically Hatton needs to make this trench warfare and hope he is the stronger guy. Which I think he is.

When Pacquiao moves in Hatton will be on his way in too. Hatton can get close at that point and stop Pacquaio getting out and starting again, wear him down.

Morales and Marquez have shown that thinking fighters can outsmart Pacquaio. Now he's moving up it's only a matter of time before someone outmuscles him IMO.

Great fighter but these weight jumps defy logic. But maybe my logic needs retuning. We'll see.

[trotter]

You think that all the other fighters on the card went to the weigh-in 3lbs overweight and that DLH lost weight in reality between the weigh-in and fight time? :nut

Different point - but he didn't put much on, did he?

He was deffo dead at the weight

I don't understand why Pacman put on 7lbs either, why cut to 142 in the first place?

[TFFP]

Because Pacquiao trains intensely so he will lose weight. He's always been one to rehydrate massively once he's been given a free reign to eat what he wants overnight. Even when he was at 130 he was rehydrating into the 140's. You can't just tell your body to stop losing weight if you do not fill out the weight naturally.

[PH|LLA]

alot of people are writing Pacquiao off against Hatton as well.


I think its gonna be a close one. The key being who can control where the fight is fought. Against the ropes or in the middle.

imo the size of the ring will be a huge factor

[HairyHighlander]

Manny's speed and workrate V Hatton's pressure and strength

As someone said when they are infighting and Manny comes out wont Hatton have to stay right on top of him like the Kosta fight ? Hatton's last fight at times, he seemed to be in two minds as in what to do. The way he had been fighting previous or back to the younger Hatton, on his toe's making angles.

His next fight will show more clearly if Mayweather has him back to boxing more but that will play right into Pac's hands will it not ?

[john b]

For hatton to win he needs to be all over him like a rash and I don't care how good manny his he'll have a hard time keeping hatton off him.

[trotter]

Manny's speed and workrate V Hatton's pressure and strength

As someone said when they are infighting and Manny comes out wont Hatton have to stay right on top of him like the Kosta fight ? Hatton's last fight at times, he seemed to be in two minds as in what to do. The way he had been fighting previous or back to the younger Hatton, on his toe's making angles.

His next fight will show more clearly if Mayweather has him back to boxing more but that will play right into Pac's hands will it not ?

Ironically as John said above, this is one fight that Hatton SHOULD try the steamroller tactics

Since Tszyu he's pretty much tried it every fight and looked relatively poor doing so

But this is one fight where he needs to do it, deny Manny the space to work

[TFFP]

At the same time I believe that is a very dangerous tactic against Pacquiao. He could find himself busted up quick if he goes completely back to his old charging in tactics. The handspeed and southpaw stance of Pacquiao will slice him up with combinations. He still has to do it in an educated manner in my opinion if he wants to stand a chance.

The top and bottom of it is he MUST get hold of Pacquiao for long enough to do any work. He could even be clever and wait for Pacquiao to come in and then be quick enough to tie him up - I doubt Pacquiao would expect that. Or he really has to meet Pacquiao head on behind a jab, and keep his damn hands high up and not just below his chin as he often does.

[Beeston Brawler]

I really aren't sure what Pacquiao is going to bring.

IMO Roach respected Oscar's jab and left hook a lot (having worked with him) and therefore instructed his man to fight 'in and out' which he did perfectly. It was made to look even more effective by DLH barely throwing anything.

Against Diaz he was much more sustained in his attack, hardly surprising really. That said, he was pretty much handpicked.

Hatton isn't that big a puncher, despite his impressive KO ratio. Roach might want Pac to stand and trade to a degree - the southpaw stance tends to take out his left to the body a fair bit..... Ricky is himself vulnerable to the mid-section.....

I can't pick a winner to be honest, though I am edging towards Hatton. If Ricky gets sufficient chance to fire to the body I see Pac going over late.

[TFFP]

That's funny, I'm more unsure what to expect from Hatton than Pacquiao. Hatton's last fight hinted at a change in philosophy under Mayweather Sr. He noticeably tried to "box" more and set up his attacks in a more correct way. Will we see a continuation of that, or the crude Hatton we saw last time he fought the best fighter?

Pacquiao always fights the same. He's improved his boxing skills and developed his jab but its essentially the same style but he's improved his overall skillset.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah....

Essentially he is the same but tends to adapt certain things according to the opponent.

I wonder what he intends to do with Hatton.... plenty on the GF are suggesting he will see him as an orthodox version of Diaz.... limited, not much power, slow etc.

I could just see this being Pac vs Morales I - OK Hatton isn't as skilled, but a similar conclusion.

[girv]

Good thread.

When this fight was first discussed over a year ago, I thought that Hatton would basically overpower Pacquiao but I have been impressed with the way that Manny has managed to stay competative coming up in weight.

Its a 50/50 for me and the winner facing Floyd later in the year would help make 09 a damn decent year for boxing.

[Infern0]

Pac man is a world class fighter in his prime
Hatton is a step below world class and is not in his prime.

Hatton may win, but it would be a big upset imo

[Beeston Brawler]

Pac man is a world class fighter in his prime
Hatton is a step below world class and is not in his prime.

Hatton may win, but it would be a big upset imo

:patsch

[GazOC]

I see Pac is now the number 1 140lber in the world according to Boxrec!!! Jeez......

[TFFP]

I don't think it will be close whatever happens. If Hatton is somehow too strong and manages to keep Pacquiao in the clinches then he'll win easy.

If he doesn't Pacquiao wins easily. I don't see it as a styles mesh that will make for a close fight.

And it will be Pacquiao that wins easy.

[icemax]

I see Pac is now the number 1 140lber in the world according to Boxrec!!! Jeez......

Fucked up doesn't quite do it justice :-( Boxrec rankings are a complete joke.

My view is that Hatton proves to be way too strong for Pac, and wins with embarrassing ease....its not a view that is popular, but you can take it to the bank :good (I have my doubts as to whether this fight will actually take place)

[trotter]

I see Pac is now the number 1 140lber in the world according to Boxrec!!! Jeez......

I think it's hilarious, never even fought at the weight !!


I agree with TFFP too, to a point.

Either Pacquiao busts Hatton up - or Hatton overpowers him. I don't see this being a backwards and forwards affair. I think one guy will dominate, even though it will take until the later rounds for them to end it.

[PaddyD1983]

I'm with the consensus on being unable to pick a winner. But here I go;

Strengths:

Pacquiao;

Great performance against a shot De La Hoya. But his movement should be just as quick against Hatton. He showed great hand speed and even better footwork. This should be enough to dance around the jabbing Hatton that turned up against Malignaggi. The thing that impressed me most was Pacquiao's ability to throw combinations whilst moving. Hatton generally plants his feet but Pacquiao was in and out landing and moving all the time.

The Pacquiao against Diaz showed he could take his power up to 135lbs. He rarely looked in trouble. Different performance to the one against De La Hoya and more reminiscent of how Pacquiao generally fights. Quick combinations but never really taking a backward step.

Hatton;

Much improved against Malignaggi. Head movement and leading from the jab. Not alot of work inside but rarely had to get on the inside anyway. The Lazcano win was laboured but given it was on the back of a defeat it was job done.

Typical Hatton should be able to overpower Pacquiao on the inside, provided the Hitman can keep Manny there long enough. Has enough KO power to put Manny on the floor if he catches him.

Weaknesses:]

Pacquiao;

No one has mentioned this from what I've seen so far, but Manny has been KO'd twice (I know one was questionable - rumours of match fixing in the Philipenes). I know he went down against Barrera too, but not sure if he's been down since? Also, remember the state of Manny's face after the second Marquez fight? Hatton hits harder than JMM so cuts could be an issue.

At 140lbs Pacquiao will be above his comfortable weight and fighting against the best LWW in the business. While strength is not necessarily a weakness of Pac's, against Hatton it will be.

Hatton;

Cuts is the obvious flaw. A busy Pacquiao could open up Hatton's face quite badly. Hatton is quick and has good footwork, but as per Pacquiao's strength compared to Hatton, Hatton will be the slower boxer when the two meet. If Pacquiao can beat him to the punch then this could be a problem for Hatton.

Secondly, against Mayweather and Lazcano, Hatton took alot of punches in an attempt to get on the inside. Taking these against Pacquiao could cost him a decision, as Pac wont be taking as many in return.

Stlyes:

This is where it gets hazy for me. Hatton's only defeat has come to a counter puncher of immense quality. Pacquiao's closest fight of recent years has come against a counter puncher of immense quality. Neither Hatton, or Pacquiao are counter punchers. This will be a war where neither boxer takes a step back. I fully expect a lot of close rounds and both boxers taking the hardest digs their opponent can throw.

Result:

My prediction prior to Pac v ODLH was that De La Hoya would be too big for Pacquiao. While I was forced to eat humble pie on that one, I'm saying the same for this. Hatton will be too strong for Pacquiao. Pac will be facing a world class operator who is near to his peak. Hatton's punches will do more damage than Marquez, Barrera or Diaz could do to Pac. Pac will not punch as hard as Mayweather, Tszyu or Collazo. Hatton will be caught, but he will manage to slow Pacquiao down and do some damage on the inside.

Hatton win on points

[stittyb]

I'm with the consensus on being unable to pick a winner. But here I go;

Strengths:

Pacquiao;

Great performance against a shot De La Hoya. But his movement should be just as quick against Hatton. He showed great hand speed and even better footwork. This should be enough to dance around the jabbing Hatton that turned up against Malignaggi. The thing that impressed me most was Pacquiao's ability to throw combinations whilst moving. Hatton generally plants his feet but Pacquiao was in and out landing and moving all the time.

The Pacquiao against Diaz showed he could take his power up to 135lbs. He rarely looked in trouble. Different performance to the one against De La Hoya and more reminiscent of how Pacquiao generally fights. Quick combinations but never really taking a backward step.

Hatton;

Much improved against Malignaggi. Head movement and leading from the jab. Not alot of work inside but rarely had to get on the inside anyway. The Lazcano win was laboured but given it was on the back of a defeat it was job done.

Typical Hatton should be able to overpower Pacquiao on the inside, provided the Hitman can keep Manny there long enough. Has enough KO power to put Manny on the floor if he catches him.

Weaknesses:]

Pacquiao;

No one has mentioned this from what I've seen so far, but Manny has been KO'd twice (I know one was questionable - rumours of match fixing in the Philipenes). I know he went down against Barrera too, but not sure if he's been down since? Also, remember the state of Manny's face after the second Marquez fight? Hatton hits harder than JMM so cuts could be an issue.

At 140lbs Pacquiao will be above his comfortable weight and fighting against the best LWW in the business. While strength is not necessarily a weakness of Pac's, against Hatton it will be.

Hatton;

Cuts is the obvious flaw. A busy Pacquiao could open up Hatton's face quite badly. Hatton is quick and has good footwork, but as per Pacquiao's strength compared to Hatton, Hatton will be the slower boxer when the two meet. If Pacquiao can beat him to the punch then this could be a problem for Hatton.

Secondly, against Mayweather and Lazcano, Hatton took alot of punches in an attempt to get on the inside. Taking these against Pacquiao could cost him a decision, as Pac wont be taking as many in return.

Stlyes:

This is where it gets hazy for me. Hatton's only defeat has come to a counter puncher of immense quality. Pacquiao's closest fight of recent years has come against a counter puncher of immense quality. Neither Hatton, or Pacquiao are counter punchers. This will be a war where neither boxer takes a step back. I fully expect a lot of close rounds and both boxers taking the hardest digs their opponent can throw.

Result:

My prediction prior to Pac v ODLH was that De La Hoya would be too big for Pacquiao. While I was forced to eat humble pie on that one, I'm saying the same for this. Hatton will be too strong for Pacquiao. Pac will be facing a world class operator who is near to his peak. Hatton's punches will do more damage than Marquez, Barrera or Diaz could do to Pac. Pac will not punch as hard as Mayweather, Tszyu or Collazo. Hatton will be caught, but he will manage to slow Pacquiao down and do some damage on the inside.

Hatton win on points

Good Analysis. A good big 'un beats a good little 'un usually. My moneys on Hatton for this one.

[icemax]

Paddy

Excellent analysis, thanks :good

[crippet]

I'm with the consensus on being unable to pick a winner. But here I go;

Strengths:

Pacquiao;

Great performance against a shot De La Hoya. But his movement should be just as quick against Hatton. He showed great hand speed and even better footwork. This should be enough to dance around the jabbing Hatton that turned up against Malignaggi. The thing that impressed me most was Pacquiao's ability to throw combinations whilst moving. Hatton generally plants his feet but Pacquiao was in and out landing and moving all the time.

The Pacquiao against Diaz showed he could take his power up to 135lbs. He rarely looked in trouble. Different performance to the one against De La Hoya and more reminiscent of how Pacquiao generally fights. Quick combinations but never really taking a backward step.

Hatton;

Much improved against Malignaggi. Head movement and leading from the jab. Not alot of work inside but rarely had to get on the inside anyway. The Lazcano win was laboured but given it was on the back of a defeat it was job done.

Typical Hatton should be able to overpower Pacquiao on the inside, provided the Hitman can keep Manny there long enough. Has enough KO power to put Manny on the floor if he catches him.

Weaknesses:]

Pacquiao;

No one has mentioned this from what I've seen so far, but Manny has been KO'd twice (I know one was questionable - rumours of match fixing in the Philipenes). I know he went down against Barrera too, but not sure if he's been down since? Also, remember the state of Manny's face after the second Marquez fight? Hatton hits harder than JMM so cuts could be an issue.

At 140lbs Pacquiao will be above his comfortable weight and fighting against the best LWW in the business. While strength is not necessarily a weakness of Pac's, against Hatton it will be.

Hatton;

Cuts is the obvious flaw. A busy Pacquiao could open up Hatton's face quite badly. Hatton is quick and has good footwork, but as per Pacquiao's strength compared to Hatton, Hatton will be the slower boxer when the two meet. If Pacquiao can beat him to the punch then this could be a problem for Hatton.

Secondly, against Mayweather and Lazcano, Hatton took alot of punches in an attempt to get on the inside. Taking these against Pacquiao could cost him a decision, as Pac wont be taking as many in return.

Stlyes:

This is where it gets hazy for me. Hatton's only defeat has come to a counter puncher of immense quality. Pacquiao's closest fight of recent years has come against a counter puncher of immense quality. Neither Hatton, or Pacquiao are counter punchers. This will be a war where neither boxer takes a step back. I fully expect a lot of close rounds and both boxers taking the hardest digs their opponent can throw.

Result:

My prediction prior to Pac v ODLH was that De La Hoya would be too big for Pacquiao. While I was forced to eat humble pie on that one, I'm saying the same for this. Hatton will be too strong for Pacquiao. Pac will be facing a world class operator who is near to his peak. Hatton's punches will do more damage than Marquez, Barrera or Diaz could do to Pac. Pac will not punch as hard as Mayweather, Tszyu or Collazo. Hatton will be caught, but he will manage to slow Pacquiao down and do some damage on the inside.

Hatton win on points


Good call:patsch

[Betty Swollocks]

:lol::lol::lol:
some funny posts in this thread.

'Pac won't be able to hurt Hatton', 'Ricky will be too strong', 'Hatton will be all over him like a rash', etc etc cliche etc cliche etc.

[Arka]

C'mon.Most of us thought that Hatton would have least been able to take Manny into the later rounds. :D

[FLINT ISLAND]

I'm with the consensus on being unable to pick a winner. But here I go;

Strengths:

Pacquiao;

Great performance against a shot De La Hoya. But his movement should be just as quick against Hatton. He showed great hand speed and even better footwork. This should be enough to dance around the jabbing Hatton that turned up against Malignaggi. The thing that impressed me most was Pacquiao's ability to throw combinations whilst moving. Hatton generally plants his feet but Pacquiao was in and out landing and moving all the time.

The Pacquiao against Diaz showed he could take his power up to 135lbs. He rarely looked in trouble. Different performance to the one against De La Hoya and more reminiscent of how Pacquiao generally fights. Quick combinations but never really taking a backward step.

Hatton;

Much improved against Malignaggi. Head movement and leading from the jab. Not alot of work inside but rarely had to get on the inside anyway. The Lazcano win was laboured but given it was on the back of a defeat it was job done.

Typical Hatton should be able to overpower Pacquiao on the inside, provided the Hitman can keep Manny there long enough. Has enough KO power to put Manny on the floor if he catches him.

Weaknesses:]

Pacquiao;

No one has mentioned this from what I've seen so far, but Manny has been KO'd twice (I know one was questionable - rumours of match fixing in the Philipenes). I know he went down against Barrera too, but not sure if he's been down since? Also, remember the state of Manny's face after the second Marquez fight? Hatton hits harder than JMM so cuts could be an issue.

At 140lbs Pacquiao will be above his comfortable weight and fighting against the best LWW in the business. While strength is not necessarily a weakness of Pac's, against Hatton it will be.

Hatton;

Cuts is the obvious flaw. A busy Pacquiao could open up Hatton's face quite badly. Hatton is quick and has good footwork, but as per Pacquiao's strength compared to Hatton, Hatton will be the slower boxer when the two meet. If Pacquiao can beat him to the punch then this could be a problem for Hatton.

Secondly, against Mayweather and Lazcano, Hatton took alot of punches in an attempt to get on the inside. Taking these against Pacquiao could cost him a decision, as Pac wont be taking as many in return.

Stlyes:

This is where it gets hazy for me. Hatton's only defeat has come to a counter puncher of immense quality. Pacquiao's closest fight of recent years has come against a counter puncher of immense quality. Neither Hatton, or Pacquiao are counter punchers. This will be a war where neither boxer takes a step back. I fully expect a lot of close rounds and both boxers taking the hardest digs their opponent can throw.

Result:

My prediction prior to Pac v ODLH was that De La Hoya would be too big for Pacquiao. While I was forced to eat humble pie on that one, I'm saying the same for this. Hatton will be too strong for Pacquiao. Pac will be facing a world class operator who is near to his peak. Hatton's punches will do more damage than Marquez, Barrera or Diaz could do to Pac. Pac will not punch as hard as Mayweather, Tszyu or Collazo. Hatton will be caught, but he will manage to slow Pacquiao down and do some damage on the inside.

Hatton win on points

:lol::lol::lol::nut:nut:nut:rofl:rofl:rofl

Egg on face or what

I always knew Paddy was a bit retarded

[TIGEREDGE]

i was not sure who would win but i still think it was 50-50 going in

[brown bomber]

i was not sure who would win but i still think it was 50-50 going inI thought Arsenal would win the league this year, doesn't mean I know shit about football. :lol:

[icemax]

:lol::lol::lol:
some funny posts in this thread.



There is a mathematical rule that says that every now and again even a complete boring retard, obsessed cunt is proven partially correct...this is that time