Holyfield-Ibragimov: Who are you rooting for? [Archive]

thecount89

08-12-2007, 03:33 PM

It would be better for boxing if Holyfield won, but I'm afraid if he won, he could get seriously injured in the future by better boxers than Ibragimov. I believe he's just too old for it. But then again, that's what they said about Foreman. We'll just have to see.

I'm going to root for Ibragimov.

Asterion

08-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Holyfield.

Beating Ibragimov will be a great accomplishment at his age. I like to watch greatness.

brooklyn1550

08-12-2007, 03:34 PM

Evander Holyfield

Alo2006

08-12-2007, 03:36 PM

Even though he needs to retire, I got to go with one of my favorite HW's of all time.............Holyfield :bbb

HauntingTheHoly

08-12-2007, 03:38 PM

...but he beat up my man Tyson...

Did he fuck you 'till you loved him?

cpnasty

08-12-2007, 03:38 PM

The Real Deal

pryorgatti

08-12-2007, 03:39 PM

Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield

Nawfal

08-12-2007, 03:41 PM

im rooting for holyfield

Heavyrighthand

08-12-2007, 03:54 PM

Holy winning would be better, if the goal is eventual unification,.............. but Ibrag winning would probably make for more credible future unification fights, but with Ibrag winning, those unification fights are probably not as likely to happen. Whereas Holy will get it rolling, right away.

So, I don't know.

TBooze

08-12-2007, 04:06 PM

Boxing needs a Heavyweight to step up to mark and dominate the division for a 7+ year reign, beating anything that resembles a threat.

I do not think either man is capable of doing this, but Sultan has the greater chance.

Winning another piece of alphabet crap adds very little to Holyfield's legacy; and a defeat, even a crushing defeat, does little to his legacy either. Indeed people may overrate Holyfield because they feel sorry for him, if he were to lose badly.

Deslizer

08-12-2007, 04:13 PM

Ibragimov ... he's a nice guy.

Holyfield doesn't deserve a place at the Top15 of any sanctioning body atm...

TBooze

08-12-2007, 04:16 PM

How about they both die before the fight.....who cares about this nonsense?

And you people call yoruself boxing fans and you watch this garbage....fucking idiots.

The Heavyweights are very often what attracts mainstream sports fans, and although there are far better fighters at lower weights, the Heavies will always get more than their fair share of attention.

If you do not like it, then I suggest you do not add to the thread count, and do not comment.

Boxing has had far too many tragedies in its history without so called fans wishing such things.

Terrible Terry

08-12-2007, 04:25 PM

Holyfield baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bb251

08-12-2007, 05:14 PM

holy

Grabonator

08-12-2007, 05:14 PM

Of course im rooting for Holyfield cause hes a living legend and ATG. But i wish he beats Ibragimov and retires, i doubt he will beat the other champs too. I wish he retires with a win.

The Hitman

08-12-2007, 05:19 PM

Ibragimov is a mediocre fighter in a mediocre division, Holyfield is one of the all-time greats in two divisions. I hope Holyfield rips him a new one then retires with the belt :bbb He wants undisputed but as much of a Evander fan I am he loses to Klit, Chag and Peter. I feel he could beat Maskaev, but after Peter I doubt Oleg will have a belt.

TBooze

08-12-2007, 05:21 PM

Of course im rooting for Holyfield cause hes a living legend and ATG. But i wish he beats Ibragimov and retires, i doubt he will beat the other champs too. I wish he retires with a win.

The same drive that made Holyfield win against the odds, many a time in the 80s and 90s, now drives him in his futile attempts to be the best Heavyweight today.

I got a feeling like a Duran, everyone will just have to forget that the final decade of Holyfield's career happened, because I reckon he is not going to call it a day this side of his 50th...

IntentionalButt

08-12-2007, 05:21 PM

Evander has accomplished plenty, he doesn't need this. I'm pulling for the young dog to bag a high-profile trophy.

platnumpapi

08-12-2007, 05:32 PM

holy field of course, id like to see him win and retire.he can for get about that undisputed shit.just get a blet and be glad you did that.cause with the klit brothers and peter around, man he will get demolished or hurt bad.

if he does fight a klit brother or peter i hope they have steele in the ring as ref, he will stop in heart beat even if it looks like he is on queer st.holy might not like that but it will be his safe bet i think.

SevenSamurai

08-12-2007, 05:33 PM

Neither fighter are good enough to hold a title, and neither fighter will hold one for very long...However, I would prefer Sultan to win because he is the younger fighter and Holyfield needs to retire with his health in tact.

RDJ

08-12-2007, 05:43 PM

Iggy should win despite my irrational hatred for southpaws.

Jens S

08-12-2007, 05:46 PM

I can't root for anyone trained by Panama Lewis. I'll root for Holyfield.

Jens

emanuel_augustus

08-12-2007, 05:47 PM

I'm a fan of Ibragimov. When he's aggressive, he's fun to watch and has a unique set of skills for a heavyweight, i.e., great speed, southpawn awkwardness, high workrate.

Holyfield, on the other hand, gave us many great moments, but should have retired sometime around 1997 and certainly doesn't desever a title shot.

Therefore, I refuse to bow to nostalgic drivel, and I'll root for Ibragimov to win, which he will.

I can't root for anyone trained by Panama Lewis. I'll root for Holyfield.

Jens

Ok, how about Jeff Mayweather then?

IntentionalButt

08-12-2007, 05:49 PM

Iggy should win despite my irrational hatred for southpaws.

:? Care to rationalize that?

mykolakozak

08-12-2007, 05:49 PM

Ibragimov will win this fight

Jens S

08-12-2007, 05:50 PM

Are you denying, that Ibragimov has had Panama Lewis as his trainer? I don't care who he has now.

Jens

IntentionalButt

08-12-2007, 05:51 PM

Are you denying, that Ibragimov has had Panama Lewis as his trainer? I don't care who he has now.

Jens

That's almost as irrational as a categorical hatred of southpaws.

Jens S

08-12-2007, 05:53 PM

Why? Panama Lewis is banned from boxing in the US for life. That is for a reason.

Jens

RDJ

08-12-2007, 05:54 PM

:? Care to rationalize that?

I don't like southpaws. Dunno why really. Perhaps it's because I think they get away with being less skilled because of their awkwardness.

BobDigi5060

08-12-2007, 05:56 PM

Holyfield of course.

IntentionalButt

08-12-2007, 05:57 PM

I don't like southpaws. Dunno why really. Perhaps it's because I think they get away with being less skilled because of their awkwardness.

You mean just at heavy?

Unchained

08-12-2007, 06:18 PM

[quote=thecount89]It would be better for boxing if Holyfield won, but I'm afraid if he won, he could get seriously injured in the future by better boxers than Ibragimov. I believe he's just too old for it. But then again, that's what they said about Foreman. We'll just have to see.

quote]

Everything you say is true, but I can just not cheer against Holyfield. The guy is a childhood hero of mine, and probably the most hardest ass dude ever. Seriously this guy would'nt back down in the jungle from a lion

ripcity

08-12-2007, 06:37 PM

Other than the curiosity factor to see if holyfield can win. This fight dose not realy excite me.

emanuel_augustus

08-12-2007, 06:38 PM

Why? Panama Lewis is banned from boxing in the US for life. That is for a reason.

Jens
And he's not his trainer anymore.

The thread has turned odd.

I don't like southpaws. Dunno why really. Perhaps it's because I think they get away with being less skilled because of their awkwardness

Ha! They're also more open for the right hand. Southpaw ain't all roses.

Everything you say is true, but I can just not cheer against Holyfield. The guy is a childhood hero of mine, and probably the most hardest ass dude ever. Seriously this guy would'nt back down in the jungle from a lion

Ozzie Smith is my favorite all-time ballplayer, but I sure as hell wouldn't want him lacing up the cleats in 2007.

RDJ

08-12-2007, 06:47 PM

You mean just at heavy?

No not just at heavy, although ofcourse the heavyweights are loaded with unskilled fatso's.

Jens S

08-12-2007, 06:59 PM

So what? He used Panama Lewis despite knowing who he is. That shows a moral that is so low, that I can't root for him. Now he is at a level, where US TV will notice him and then he dumps Lewis. It doesn't change his moral.

Jens

AJAX

08-12-2007, 07:02 PM

Ibragimov, a Holyfield win would just prove how pathetic the current crop of heavyweights are.

exactly, if he won that would be embarassing he was old yrs ago when he lost a bunch of fights in a row, now comes back at 44 and wins a title,.That would be awefull, he's had his glory and now it's time to ride off in the sunset......go Sultan!:bbb

psychopath

08-12-2007, 07:03 PM

Im rooting for Holy . . . winning a title again at this point would be something for the books. :D

:good

Thread Stealer

08-13-2007, 12:57 PM

Ibragimov.

People already call Holyfield a "4 time heavyweight champion", when the 4th title was a total paper one (at least Tyson in 1996 was much more highly thought of than Ruiz in 2000, despite neither being linear). I don't want to hear Holyfield being called a 5-time HW champ by beating Ibragimov for the WBO belt.

lion

08-13-2007, 01:05 PM

Holyfield.

Beating Ibragimov will be a great accomplishment at his age. I like to watch greatness. agree he's already great, but i wonder how much greater does he become after this possible win?

buddynabuick

08-13-2007, 01:07 PM

I have to say Holyfield.

I like sultan over anyone ............... except Holy. Go Evander!!!!

TBooze

08-13-2007, 01:12 PM

agree he's already great, but i wonder how much greater does he become after this possible win?

I would say Holyfield falls slightly short of great. He was a great icon of the era, but was not a great fighter, merely superb.

I do not see a victory or defeat over an unproven Ibragimov doing anything for his legacy. Unless Holyfield wins the Heavyweight Championship for a third time he will fall slightly short of great IMO.

Shotgun

08-13-2007, 01:26 PM

Ibragimov, because Holyfield winning would be embarassing for boxing and secondly it might cause it would open a dangerous can of worms, like the possibility of Holyfield fighting someone like Wlad, although I think Wlad has too much respect for Holyfield to step in and destroy him at this stage of his career

But I think Ibragimov is going to pummel Evander. He might not be great but Sultan is much better than anyone Holyfield has fought since he got outclassed by Donald

MrSmall

08-13-2007, 01:27 PM

Holyfield Holyfield!

RUSKULL

08-13-2007, 01:29 PM

Ibragimov, a Holyfield win would just prove how pathetic the current crop of heavyweights are.

That's kinda the way I see it too.

Lacyace

08-13-2007, 01:31 PM

Holyfield for two reasons.

One, Holyfield is one of my favorite fighters.

Two, Ibragimov is overrated as all hell. I hope he gets exposed.

Spitfire7

08-13-2007, 01:32 PM

The Old Holy Warrior will do it! Hate to say it but Ibragimov is just an overachieving bum.

papaspank

08-13-2007, 01:42 PM

Evander "Real Deal" Holyfield

Been a fan from the start.

DamonD

08-13-2007, 02:08 PM

Ach...

I have much more respect for Holyfield, it's not even in the same league.

On the other hand, a win for Sultan would be better for the division's credibility and would halt Holyfield's inevitable date with the fists of a serious and uncompromising heavy hitter on his Quixotic quest for unification.

If I thought Holyfield would retire if he won the belt, it'd be simple...but I know he'll not only continue, he'll see this act as justification to carry on even if he gets knocked out twice in a row afterwards.

...I really can't pick. Fence-sitting I know, but I see the good and bad in both outcomes.

achillesthegreat

08-13-2007, 02:33 PM

Alot of people say its better for Sultan to win.

IS IT?

Ultimately what credibility will he bring to the division? Dominance? Will he beat Wlad or Vitali or Peter?

In Holy you have history, a name and maybe this is what will finally rid boxing of Holy. He can win the title, get destroyed by Wlad and then say he was five time champ.

Shotgun

08-13-2007, 03:06 PM

Alot of people say its better for Sultan to win.

IS IT?

Ultimately what credibility will he bring to the division? Dominance? Will he beat Wlad or Vitali or Peter?

A win for Sultan will bring a shred of credibility. If this version of Holyfield, 44 years old, having lost badly to the last 3 decent opponents he fought, having no wins over a rated opponent since 2002, wins, it's an embarassment that he was able to capture even a fraction of the heavyweight title.

But, again, I think people are seriously underestimating Ibragimov if they actually think he's going to lose to Holyfield. Sultan may not be great but he's easily the best opponent Holyfield has fought since he lost to Donald

And if Holyfield fought Wlad or Vitali or Peter and was beaten up and badly injured it would just give boxing's critics that much more ammo

LeedsLad

08-13-2007, 03:10 PM

Im rooting for Holyfield, but i have my doubts as to whether he will win

MacManJr.

08-13-2007, 03:11 PM

I couldnt possibly care any less!

youthmann

08-13-2007, 03:17 PM

Grand pap wins - go holy.

achillesthegreat

08-13-2007, 03:34 PM

A win for Sultan will bring a shred of credibility. If this version of Holyfield, 44 years old, having lost badly to the last 3 decent opponents he fought, having no wins over a rated opponent since 2002, wins, it's an embarassment that he was able to capture even a fraction of the heavyweight title.

But, again, I think people are seriously underestimating Ibragimov if they actually think he's going to lose to Holyfield. Sultan may not be great but he's easily the best opponent Holyfield has fought since he lost to Donald

And if Holyfield fought Wlad or Vitali or Peter and was beaten up and badly injured it would just give boxing's critics that much more ammo
Is this true?

Foreman and Holmes had a bunch of average wins, a loss or two and maybe one good win.

Holyfield has a bunch of average wins, a loss or two and did beat Oquendo who should be ranked fairly well. Holy comp is less than Holmes and Foremans but Ibrag is less than Mercer and Moorer.

I agree Ibrag has the youth and tools to beat Holy at this age but I am hoping he hasn't got any size and thus Holy is in it. Late in the fight, while behind, Holy musters it ALL up in one LEFT HOOK!

I'm going for the underdog but its a great story and I'm a sucker for hype.

Shotgun

08-13-2007, 03:46 PM

Is this true?

Foreman and Holmes had a bunch of average wins, a loss or two and maybe one good win.

Foreman and Holmes during their comeback runs never got dominated in near-shutout fashion by a aging former contender like Donald, and neither were dominated and stopped by a former middleweight

For one, Holmes never regained a portion of the title, he lost to Holyfield and McCall in his two title shots in his comeback attempt.

Second, Foreman prior to beating Moorer on his comeback journey had only lost to Holyfield, the champ, and Morrison, a respected and talented contender in his prime

achillesthegreat

08-13-2007, 03:57 PM

Foreman and Holmes during their comeback runs never got dominated in near-shutout fashion by a aging former contender like Donald, and neither were dominated and stopped by a former middleweight

For one, Holmes never regained a portion of the title, he lost to Holyfield and McCall in his two title shots in his comeback attempt.

Second, Foreman prior to beating Moorer on his comeback journey had only lost to Holyfield, the champ, and Morrison, a respected and talented contender in his prime
Both arguably got beat by fighters who aren't supposedly legendary.

Holy never pitted a comeback so didn't go through trash. When he did, and started picking his fights he has pulled off a good streak.

Holmes beat Mercer who was the WBO champ. Mercer never lost that belt in the ring.

Holmes and Foreman both looked past it but still had 'something'. If Holy has that 'something' then he deserves the W and is a real reflection of the trash that is todays division.

Sonny's jab

08-13-2007, 05:17 PM

Jinx

08-13-2007, 05:25 PM

of course i want Holy to go out with a bang! but win or lose i hope he hangs them up before he becomes Meldrick Taylor...

Butch Coolidge

08-13-2007, 09:54 PM

I like Ibragimov. Holyfield has Jesus on his side and Jesus tells him when he will KO his opponents and so forth. After the fight, Holy goes on and on about Jesus. I haven't heard Ibragimov go on and on about Mohammed, Allah, Jesus, Buhda, Mazda Ahura or Borat. I prefer fighters who keep their religion away from the sport.

getup

08-13-2007, 10:06 PM

Who The Fuck Ya Thimk!!!!!!!!

Rollo

08-13-2007, 10:18 PM

Ibragimov, a Holyfield win would just prove how pathetic the current crop of heavyweights are.

Exately!:good

emanuel_augustus

08-13-2007, 10:25 PM

Hate to say it but Ibragimov is just an overachieving bum.

Bullshit. Too many people on this board toss that word out like it's nothing. Ibragimov is a skilled guy who has shown nothing but heart and determination during his pro career. To call him a bum is pathetic.