Bernard Dunne on Setanta

[rooq]

i'm glad setanta have picked up this fight - this will be my first chance to see dunne, and the undercard isn't bad either, with magee fighting oakey for the british lhw title, and andy lee and matthew macklin also fighting!

[BigEars]

i'm glad setanta have picked up this fight - this will be my first chance to see dunne, and the undercard isn't bad either, with magee fighting oakey for the british lhw title, and andy lee and matthew macklin also fighting!
Okay first of all I have to state I'm very disappointed in you .
I've been posting links to the streaming of Bernard Dunne fights since he fought Pickering and you still haven't seen him :-(

It's the best card we've had since boxing became big in Ireland again .

Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez-European Super Bantamweight title
Tony Oakey v Brian Magee-British Light-Heavyweight title
Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes
Paul McCloskey v Antonio Di Feto(lost a close decision for the Italian lww title in his last fight)
Andy Lee's homecoming against a yet to be named opponent .

Even the bout I'm least interested in(McCloskey's) has me excited as Paul is after stopping Ivan Bustos(22-11-3) in 4 rounds , which is the same amount of time it took Michaek Katsidis and it took Souleymane M'Baye 5 rounds(even if M'Baye has since looked very shit) . Di Feto lost a very close decision for the Italian title in his last fight so on a European scale this fight has some meaning and I'm starting to wonder if maybe Paul could do something at European level(which hopefully this fight will tell us) .

The Dunne fight itself will be a real treat for ya , great atmostphere and Dunne always puts on a show ,some of the Americans on the main forum were putting forward his last fight as a contender for fight of the year , which I thought was a bit much but the atmostphere really gets to you .

Here's Dunne's fight with Jailouev:[Only registered and activated users can see links]
I don't think RTE's video for the fight with Walstad is working and RTE changed their website after the Pickering fight and videos of Dunne's fight before that weren't kept so this is the only Dunne video I have for you at the moment .

Well and this poor quality video of his fight with Sean Hughes(Dunne has come on a lot since this)yFpB4tDmwEs

[achillesthegreat]

Shit, thats a card.

I have to hurry up and get my freeview box with a card.

Dunne, Macklin and Lee are three very watchable fighters.

[rooq]

Okay first of all I have to state I'm very disappointed in you .

I've been posting links to the streaming of Bernard Dunne fights since he fought Pickering and you still haven't seen him



sorry, i meant live on tv! i've seen clips of him before, but not that Sean Hughes fight. cracking combo to finish it!

i look forward to seeing more of him

[BigEars]

sorry, i meant live on tv! i've seen clips of him before, but not that Sean Hughes fight. cracking combo to finish it!

i look forward to seeing more of him

Ah thank god , I was worried my constant promotion of Dunne and his fights wasn't getting through to people :lol: .

[Shev]

Wasn't Duddy supposed to be fighting along with them?

[hitman_hatton1]

what's this guy he's fighting like then???

i don't rate dunne all that tbh.

his stamina is questionable and his punch has been found out as he's stepped up the levels.

[BigEars]

what's this guy he's fighting like then???

i don't rate dunne all that tbh.

his stamina is questionable and his punch has been found out as he's stepped up the levels.

Dunne's punch was found out back in America it was hardly 're-found' out back here . Your right though his stamina is questionable and it seems mainly to do with him being tight at the weight .

Martinez is pretty much an unknown(very few people , even round here have seen him) . But in his 4th fight he stopped Juan Garcia Martin , in Martin's fight before that he had fought Esham Pickering for the European title and went 8 .
He became only the 4th man to stop Frederic Bonifai and did it in 2 rounds(the quickest it had been done by anyone) , Michael Brodie had gone 5 rounds with Bonifai

He beat EU and French Super Bantamweight champion Salem Bouaita by a very wide decision . Bouaita has recent wins over Miguel Mallon(who Pickering defended against and stopped in 10) m and Tuncay Kaya(who Hunter had trouble defending against and stopped in 9 after a mistimed count) Bouaita's record doesn't look great , but he is 9-2 since he lost to future World champion Mahyar Monshipour 5 years ago(and the loss other than Martinez came at Featherweight) .

Martinez can definitely punch , he most have some boxing skills to have clearly outboxed Bouaita . He is only 5'5(and quite stocky) and his opposition hasn't been that great . He is in experienced with only 16 fights and is just 21 years old .

So that's most of what I can tell you on Kiko Martinez .

[hitman_hatton1]

sounds an interesting one for dunne.

i've got setanta so i'll deffo watch this one.

[rooq]

i didn't realise dunne was rated that highly on the world stage...top ten ranking in the 4 major organisations.

unfortunately, there are no easy routes to a super-bantamweight world title looking at the current champions...vazquez, molitor, ponce de leon and caballero. :think

[PrideOfWales]

It's a shame, I enjoyed BigEars' links through the RTE website.

[BigEars]

i didn't realise dunne was rated that highly on the world stage...top ten ranking in the 4 major organisations.

unfortunately, there are no easy routes to a super-bantamweight world title looking at the current champions...vazquez, molitor, ponce de leon and caballero. :think

Super Bantamweight is one of the strongest divisions at the moment and it will be tough for Dunne to win a World title here and Dunne's camp have had to settle for Molitor as the target even though he is the slickest boxer of the lot simply because he doesn't hit as hard as the others .

Super Bantamweight really does have some monster hitters , Vasquez , Marquez , Ponce De Leon , Sithchatchawal can all really bang and guys like Caballero(who at 5'11 would be difficult for anyone at the weight) , Cordoba , Bautista , Sergio Medina , Zarate , and most of the Thai contenders all hit quite hard .

[Smazz20]

Super Bantamweight is one of the strongest divisions at the moment and it will be tough for Dunne to win a World title here and Dunne's camp have had to settle for Molitor as the target even though he is the slickest boxer of the lot simply because he doesn't hit as hard as the others .

Super Bantamweight really does have some monster hitters , Vasquez , Marquez , Ponce De Leon , Sithchatchawal can all really bang and guys like Caballero(who at 5'11 would be difficult for anyone at the weight) , Cordoba , Bautista , Sergio Medina , Zarate , and most of the Thai contenders all hit quite hard .


I think I asked you this before, but what do you think are the chances of Dunne fighting McCullough? I don't really want to see WM continue fighting but he keeps saying he'll be back sometime soon and to me at least, it looks a very likely match up.

[BigEars]

I think I asked you this before, but what do you think are the chances of Dunne fighting McCullough? I don't really want to see WM continue fighting but he keeps saying he'll be back sometime soon and to me at least, it looks a very likely match up.

It looked certain when McCullough was meant to be on the last card , but I think McCullough may feel he was messed around a bit and may not want to deal with Brian Peters again . I think with McCullough's recent move into involvement with the UFC it may have ended his ideas of a comeback and I really don't think it will happen now .

I'm get the feeling we won't be seeing Wayen McCullough in a boxing ring again(except as a trainer/manager) which is a good thing .

[achillesthegreat]

Dunne has some QUALITY work. The way he incorporates his body attack into his arsenal is first class.

I fear for his lack of concentration. He drops those hands, he show boats and I just hope his mental lapses don't cost him. Some can get away with it though.

[BigEars]

Full card has been announced:
Dunne v Martinez-European Super-Bantamweight title
Oakey v Magee-British Light-Heavyweight title
Macklin v Darren Rhodes-8 rounds Middleweight
Andy Lee v Ciarán Healy-8 rounds Middleweight
Paul McCloskey v Alfredo Di Feto-8 rounds Light-Welterweight
Nicky Smedley v Darius Snarski-6 rounds Light-Welterweight
Willie Thompson v Athur Jashkul-4 rounds Welterweight

Certainly the best card we've had in Ireland for about 10 years , the first 5 bouts are all very interesting to me .

Coverage on RTE is from 21:30-01:00 , Setanta Sports 1 is from 21:30-0:30 . Setanta are also repeating the Morales v Diaz fight from 20:30 for the hour before coverage starts on the Dunne card .


If you live outside Ireland and don't have RTE or Setanta you will still be able to watch the fight on a stream from [Only registered and activated users can see links] , the stream is normally good quality and as far as I'm aware you're still going to be able to watch this in the UK as RTE has the fight merely listed as World Wide , where as when Duddy last fought they said World Wide(except in North America) so they would have listed if the stream was unavailable to those in the UK .

[Hawks28]

Super Bantamweight is one of the strongest divisions at the moment and it will be tough for Dunne to win a World title here and Dunne's camp have had to settle for Molitor as the target even though he is the slickest boxer of the lot simply because he doesn't hit as hard as the others .

Super Bantamweight really does have some monster hitters , Vasquez , Marquez , Ponce De Leon , Sithchatchawal can all really bang and guys like Caballero(who at 5'11 would be difficult for anyone at the weight) , Cordoba , Bautista , Sergio Medina , Zarate , and most of the Thai contenders all hit quite hard .


I think Molitors power is very underrated right now. His power has improved a lot since he switched trainers, from Adrian Teodorescu to Chris Johnson. He has been sittin down on his punches a lot more in the last couple of years compared to his earlier fights. It has shown in his last 4 fights, where he has knocked out all 4 opponents. Going into his last 2 fights, everyone said that Hunter and Ndlovu would both have more power than him, and he knocked them both out. His new strength and conditioning trainer, who is renowned for his work with pro hockey players, has supposedly helped improve his power as well. He hits harder than he did a few years ago, thats for sure. With all that being said, you're right though, that he doesnt hit as hard as Ponce, RM, or Vazquez. I dont think guys like Bautista, Medina and Zarate hit much harder than Molitor, if any harder at all.

anyways, moving back to Dunne, I look forward to seeing this fight. I have actually been getting a free preview of Setanta since the 11th. Its Setanta International Sports Pak, so I dont know if they have the same programming schedule. I have a bad feeling Im gonna get a soccer game at that time instead of the fight card. Hopefully I will be able to get the RTE stream going if I have to. What time (locally) does the Tv broadcast begin, and what time will the main event start?

Finally, when you say Dunne is 'tight at the weight', do you mean he is having trouble making 122 and is draining himself to get to that weight, or did you mean something totally different?

[BigEars]

I think Molitors power is very underrated right now. His power has improved a lot since he switched trainers, from Adrian Teodorescu to Chris Johnson. He has been sittin down on his punches a lot more in the last couple of years compared to his earlier fights. It has shown in his last 4 fights, where he has knocked out all 4 opponents. Going into his last 2 fights, everyone said that Hunter and Ndlovu would both have more power than him, and he knocked them both out. His new strength and conditioning trainer, who is renowned for his work with pro hockey players, has supposedly helped improve his power as well. He hits harder than he did a few years ago, thats for sure. With all that being said, you're right though, that he doesnt hit as hard as Ponce, RM, or Vazquez. I dont think guys like Bautista, Medina and Zarate hit much harder than Molitor, if any harder at all.

anyways, moving back to Dunne, I look forward to seeing this fight. I have actually been getting a free preview of Setanta since the 11th. Its Setanta International Sports Pak, so I dont know if they have the same programming schedule. I have a bad feeling Im gonna get a soccer game at that time instead of the fight card. Hopefully I will be able to get the RTE stream going if I have to. What time (locally) does the Tv broadcast begin, and what time will the main event start?

Finally, when you say Dunne is 'tight at the weight', do you mean he is having trouble making 122 and is draining himself to get to that weight, or did you mean something totally different?

There is no doubt Molitor is starting to hit harder , the stoppage over NDlovu was the one that really impressed me as I don't have much fate in the other guys 3 chins . But at the same time he mightn't have stopped any of these guys a few years back .

I don't think you'll get it on your Setanta so you're best off just sticking to the stream . As far as I'm aware it's on Setanta Sports 1(UK) that have it .

Broadcast starts at 21:30 Irish time , I'd estimate Dunne will be on anytime between 10:45-11:30 but it's hard to tell with the broadcast lasting 3 1/2 hours now .

I mean exactly what you think by tight at the weight , he drains himself to make it . He'll still be able to make the weight for a good while but it does have a negative impact on him(especially his stamina) .

[Smazz20]

Can't believe it. A couple of months back, I had a dream that Calzaghe got KO'ed fighting some Italian dude while Kessler was watching. Now last night, i'm after dreaming that Dunne got KO'ed in the 5th round while fighting some Mexican fella and Martinez was watching from ringside!!!

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come:yikes

[Hawks28]

There is no doubt Molitor is starting to hit harder , the stoppage over NDlovu was the one that really impressed me as I don't have much fate in the other guys 3 chins . But at the same time he mightn't have stopped any of these guys a few years back .

I don't think you'll get it on your Setanta so you're best off just sticking to the stream . As far as I'm aware it's on Setanta Sports 1(UK) that have it .

Broadcast starts at 21:30 Irish time , I'd estimate Dunne will be on anytime between 10:45-11:30 but it's hard to tell with the broadcast lasting 3 1/2 hours now .

I mean exactly what you think by tight at the weight , he drains himself to make it . He'll still be able to make the weight for a good while but it does have a negative impact on him(especially his stamina) .
Thanks for the info. It looks like they will have enough time to show 3 fights, Do you know if the Andy Lee fight will be televised?

[fightingirish]

:bbb Can't believe it. A couple of months back, I had a dream that Calzaghe got KO'ed fighting some Italian dude while Kessler was watching. Now last night, i'm after dreaming that Dunne got KO'ed in the 5th round while fighting some Mexican fella and Martinez was watching from ringside!!!

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come:yikes

Man u need to get a life if ur dreamin of boxing....i mean theres way more important things to dream about ffs

[BigEars]

Thanks for the info. It looks like they will have enough time to show 3 fights, Do you know if the Andy Lee fight will be televised?

I'd be fairly certain yes but I don't think it'll be live(although it might) .
What I reckon is they'll start with the Oakey v Magee fight and after that show Lee or Macklin's fight . Then unless there has been a very earl ko in one of the bouts(actually quite likely to happen) they'll show the other after Dunne's fight . If there is an early ko they'll possibly show them back to back and then Dunne's fight and finish with McCloskey against Di Feto(a reasonable amount of highlights) and finish with short highlights of the other two bouts .

There will be big build up to the Dunne fight and a good bit of analysis after it .

So that's how I see things planning out , but I can't guarantee anything .
If you can I'd watch the whole thing as all the televised bouts should be good .

[rooq]

There will be big build up to the Dunne fight and a good bit of analysis after it .

yeah....plenty of time for analysis.

i think i must have jinxed dunne.

strange, because when i saw the two fighters coming into the ring, i was thinking we might have another katsidis here...big punching undefeated guy who had never fought out of his home country coming to take on the home favourite. and there you go!

is it time to move up to featherweight for dunne?

as for magee - oakey, i completely disagreed with the commentators and the analysts and had magee winning 117-113. oakey may have been coming forward more, but i thought magee was a little more slick and clean with his combos.

[Amsterdam]

My friends, now that's what you call a china chin!:D

[GazOC]

What happened?

[Amsterdam]

What happened?

Martinez TKO 1 Dunne.

[GazOC]

Martinez TKO 1 Dunne.

oh, fuck!

[Hitman_Hatton]

Majority Draw Oakey keeps the title. Dunne got caught cold and Martinez did a world class job in finishing him. Those kind of losses can destroy fighters it must be absolutely devastating to lose in such a fashion.

[hitman_hatton1]

sounds an interesting one for dunne.

i've got setanta so i'll deffo watch this one.

told ya bigears. :yep

dunne has never impressed me.

that was just too easy. :oops:

[dwilson]

Dunne has some QUALITY work. The way he incorporates his body attack into his arsenal is first class.

I fear for his lack of concentration. He drops those hands, he show boats and I just hope his mental lapses don't cost him. Some can get away with it though.

Not Dunne.

Damm that was one way to lose.

I never rated Dunne as being good enough for world level but I like the kid. Lets hope he comes back and maybe a little bit wiser.

Great card. Andy Lee looks class. Oakey deserved to keep his title.

[BigEars]

told ya bigears. :yep

dunne has never impressed me.

that was just too easy. :oops:

Ah it's cool man , you called it right and when you call things right you're allowed to do that .

I've explained my feelings in the main thread , but hey shit happens .

[achillesthegreat]

Ah it's cool man , you called it right and when you call things right you're allowed to do that .

I've explained my feelings in the main thread , but hey shit happens .
Explain to me how the 86 seconds went down???

[BigEars]

Explain to me how the 86 seconds went down???
146 actually , bell rings both fighters come forward(Dunne more eagerly than Martinez) Dunne lands a jab and then 2 rights , Martinez isn't fazed at all . Dunne moving a bit while landing a few glancing blows(nothing too clean) as Martinez comes forward throwing meaningfull hooks , catches Dunne with a right hook and then a left and down Dunne goes .

Dunne thought he had slipped(shows he was well and truly hurt because that was no slip) , Martinez comes in and Dunne meets him both winging shots away , Dunne lands a few but has no effect on Martinez and is then caught again(backing up with his hands down , the same way he was caught for the first knock down) and goes down .

Dunne gets up looking in disbelief again protesting a slip(no chance he just didn't know what was happening) , Martinez comes forward and backs Dunne to the ropes , both fighters wing hooks again . Dunne lands 2 good ones but to no effect again , Martinez lands 3 on Dunne and he goes down again and this time much more heavily than before(referee waves off without a count) . He probably would have gotten up but wouldn't have been okay to continue .

Dunne is brought back to his corner and sits on his stool , you can see the wtf look on his face .

Martinez is very alike a mini-Tyson in style , that crounching stance , nice and compact and likes to throw those vicious hooks . He was just all wrong for Dunne , the perfect fighter to beat him .

[Dunky McCafferty]

146 actually , bell rings both fighters come forward(Dunne more eagerly than Martinez) Dunne lands a jab and then 2 rights , Martinez isn't fazed at all . Dunne moving a bit while landing a few glancing blows(nothing too clean) as Martinez comes forward throwing meaningfull hooks , catches Dunne with a right hook and then a left and down Dunne goes .

Dunne thought he had slipped(shows he was well and truly hurt because that was no slip) , Martinez comes in and Dunne meets him both winging shots away , Dunne lands a few but has no effect on Martinez and is then caught again(backing up with his hands down , the same way he was caught for the first knock down) and goes down .

Dunne gets up looking in disbelief again protesting a slip(no chance he just didn't know what was happening) , Martinez comes forward and backs Dunne to the ropes , both fighters wing hooks again . Dunne lands 2 good ones but to no effect again , Martinez lands 3 on Dunne and he goes down again and this time much more heavily than before(referee waves off without a count) . He probably would have gotten up but wouldn't have been okay to continue .

Dunne is brought back to his corner and sits on his stool , you can see the wtf look on his face .

Martinez is very alike a mini-Tyson in style , that crounching stance , nice and compact and likes to throw those vicious hooks . He was just all wrong for Dunne , the perfect fighter to beat him .

Ach, I was taking a break from ESB to recharge the batteries as they say, but when I watched the Dunne defeat tonight first person I thought of was your good self Bigears(funny how the forums make you relate certain fighters to certain posters)

Your boy just got caught cold in the first round, it happens. I wouldnt read too much into the defeat to be honest, of course the doom mongers will forever bring this defeat up from now on, saying "Dunne will never be anything blah blah cos the Spaniard KOd him in a round" & all that bullshit. & thats what it is, bullshit.

If anything, this can be the making of Dunne as a fighter, much like Gomez made Arthur the fighter he is today. As pat Clinton said, Dunne left his gloves low, a bad habit that was asking for trouble, & trouble he found. The european scene is a minefield that I think most fighters from this region of the world should avoid, its a high risk minimum reward kind of title IMO, but thats for another argument.

Its not the defeat, but how Dunne comes back from it I will be looking out for. Trust me Bigears my good man, this defeat could be the making of Dunne if he learns from it. Theres not much wrong with Dunne as a fighter, hes got the tools & the fanbase to go a long way in the sport. If he can just iron out the low guard & the posing, he will do just fine. & I hope that fight will be the wake up call that he has to take every opponent seriously, cos I think the lad was caught up in his own hype, which can happen to any man, like a certain Alex Arthur for instance when he lost to Gomez.

Sorry to keep making the comparison, but I feel Dunne is very talented like Arthur, & if he reacts to a crushing defeat like Arthur did, hes still got a great career in front of him.

So keep the chin up Bigears, its a setback but not the end for Dunne.

[GazOC]

So are you back Dunky? Or what?

;O)

[BigEars]

Ach, I was taking a break from ESB to recharge the batteries as they say, but when I watched the Dunne defeat tonight first person I thought of was your good self Bigears(funny how the forums make you relate certain fighters to certain posters)

Your boy just got caught cold in the first round, it happens. I wouldnt read too much into the defeat to be honest, of course the doom mongers will forever bring this defeat up from now on, saying "Dunne will never be anything blah blah cos the Spaniard KOd him in a round" & all that bullshit. & thats what it is, bullshit.

If anything, this can be the making of Dunne as a fighter, much like Gomez made Arthur the fighter he is today. As pat Clinton said, Dunne left his gloves low, a bad habit that was asking for trouble, & trouble he found. The european scene is a minefield that I think most fighters from this region of the world should avoid, its a high risk minimum reward kind of title IMO, but thats for another argument.

Its not the defeat, but how Dunne comes back from it I will be looking out for. Trust me Bigears my good man, this defeat could be the making of Dunne if he learns from it. Theres not much wrong with Dunne as a fighter, hes got the tools & the fanbase to go a long way in the sport. If he can just iron out the low guard & the posing, he will do just fine. & I hope that fight will be the wake up call that he has to take every opponent seriously, cos I think the lad was caught up in his own hype, which can happen to any man, like a certain Alex Arthur for instance when he lost to Gomez.

Sorry to keep making the comparison, but I feel Dunne is very talented like Arthur, & if he reacts to a crushing defeat like Arthur did, hes still got a great career in front of him.

So keep the chin up Bigears, its a setback but not the end for Dunne.

Thanks for that Dunky , I'm not totally convinced Dunne will be able to comeback so strong(he doesn't have the chin or power of Arthur) but I will support him to the last .

The European route is the only route for Irish fighters that don't go to America , without it we've nothing . The Irish title isn't prestigious enough and we've no equivalent to the commonwealth title .
Irish fighters won't move up World rankings fighting for no title(in Ireland) , no matter who they are fighting .

[Dunky McCafferty]

So are you back Dunky? Or what?

;O)

You know me, a right moody bastard:lol: One day im all sugar, next im all shit;) Here today, gone tomorrow & all that nonsense. Your just asking anyway cos you want me here to take my medicine if Hatton beats mayweather, I know how you englanders roll;)

[GazOC]

You're a good bloke...You certainly know your boxing. This forum is better off with you in it.

Fancy a trip to Vegas....;O)

[Dunky McCafferty]

Thanks for that Dunky , I'm not totally convinced Dunne will be able to comeback so strong(he doesn't have the chin or power of Arthur) but I will support him to the last .

The European route is the only route for Irish fighters that don't go to America , without it we've nothing . The Irish title isn't prestigious enough and we've no equivalent to the commonwealth title .
Irish fighters won't move up World rankings fighting for no title(in Ireland) , no matter who they are fighting .

Bigears, dont thank me. I didnt make that post just to make you feel better cos I like you, Im not into all that biased stand up for the guys you like shit! Wether I like a poster or not, I will always be honest with my opinions on boxing. You know me:D

Its an honest opinion that I think your boy Bernard Dunne isnt finished yet. Put it this way, I have a friend who kicks ass boxing knowledge wise, he blows most people out of the water. & he rates Bernard Dunne. So trust me fella, dont give up on him yet.

[BigEars]

Bigears, dont thank me. I didnt make that post just to make you feel better cos I like you, Im not into all that biased stand up for the guys you like shit! Wether I like a poster or not, I will always be honest with my opinions on boxing. You know me:D

Its an honest opinion that I think your boy Bernard Dunne isnt finished yet. Put it this way, I have a friend who kicks ass boxing knowledge wise, he blows most people out of the water. & he rates Bernard Dunne. So trust me fella, dont give up on him yet.

I didn't say you were Dunky , I'm just saying thank you because you're post happened to cheer me up a bit(and it did so because I know you would only do so being honest)............I wouldn't expect you to stand up for a fighter of mine for no reason .

[Dunky McCafferty]

You're a good bloke...You certainly know your boxing. This forum is better off with you in it.

Fancy a trip to Vegas....;O)

:lol:

Aye, me & a planeful of Hatton nuthuggers on a flight to Vegas, I think I would need to bring my parachute with me when you fuckers toss me out of the plane at 30,000 feet:D

& as for me knowing my boxing? I have to just to stay afloat with you lot! Thats what keeps me coming back to brit ESB, cos talking to everyone here is as much a learning experience as it is an enjoyable one, & I aint kidding.

[Max Molyneux]

Thought Dunne keeping his hands low would cost him. His guard Is wide open too as he moves around on his feet.

[Smazz20]

Damn that was embarrassing for Dunne. I'm still in shock at how badly he was beaten. It was probably Martinez's easiest fight to date.

Madly enough though, with the way boxing is, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dunne get a shot at one of the titles soon enough. The martinez kid did look sensational though.

[brown bomber]

Dunne didn't have a bead of sweat on his body as he came out for round one.... He got caught cold and it was his own fault. He was clearly over confident and you could see in the opening ten seconds as he jigged around with his chin up in the air he wasn't correctly warmed up. A classic case of been caught cold just like Eamonn Loughran against Jose Luis Lopez a few years ago.

[bumdujour]

i dont think he got caught cold. hey, he was faced with a young puncher who had taken down alot of people early!!
if that proposition doesnt "warm him up", then nothing will.

personally, i think he was ready, knowing fully well what martinez was gonna bring (as if there could be any surprises...). but in the end in a boxing ring you are gonna get hit. you cant avoid all punches.

and if you have an iffy chin, your gonna get found out sooner or later.

in dunnes case, now we know.

[selhurst]

This was the first time I've seen Bernard Dunne fight so I can't really make a comment on the 90 seconds or so he was in the ring. His opponent Martinez reminded me of Levi Kirakosyan and showed how dangerous European level fighters can be. It was clear that Dunne didn't know what to do when he was hurt and should have been hanging on instead of backpeddling with his hands down.

Loved the fact Martinez's entourage had a £10,000 bet on him to win in the 1st round at 66-1!!:D

[FrankinDallas]

the fight is on youtube. Dunne did not know what hit him. It was like Marciano-Walcott II. Martinez is rock hard and looks very strong; obviously hits hard.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Dunne is not done.

He will be back better than ever. I truly believe that. I know a lot of people are saying hes chinny after being KO'd in such dramatic fashion but Im still not convinced. He was in against a heavy puncher & was caught cold, similar to Ray Bautista a few weeks back, & Matthew Hall, a few weeks before that. 3 young unbeaten prospects with bright futures, all beaten in the 1st round.

The 3 of these guys may be in fact chinny, but all Im saying is its difficult to tell when they are hurt in the first few minutes of a fight.
For intance, look at Juan Manuel Marquez. In the first round of his fight with big punching Pacquiao. Now we all know Marquez has a solid chin, but against Pac he was caught cold in the 1st round, was decked heavily THREE times & came within a bawhair(ball hair to non scots readers;) ) of being stopped. Then in the second round JMM gets his shit together, & gave Pac a boxing lesson & took all Pacs powershots no problem, & in many peoples opinion won the fight!

Now if the ref had stopped that fight in the first round, everyone would have been screaming that Marquez was chinny. You catch my drift?

[China_hand_Joe]

Good to see you are still alive Dunky,

[Dunky McCafferty]

Good to see you are still alive Dunky,

thanks Rupert, its nice to know guys like your good self think I may be dead when Im not hanging around this joint!

[China_hand_Joe]

Who do you want to see win big brother this year, if you had to pick one of those English?

[Dunky McCafferty]

Who do you want to see win big brother this year, if you had to pick one of those English?

:lol:

Thats why I like you, cos you are mental(in a good way)

Anyway, you asked the question, so I am honour bound to answer. To be honest, I would like to see Jonty win. I know hes a gimp, but I fuckin hate the way the group of those godawful twins, Ziggy, Liam & Brian clubbed together to evict all late entrants, including the scotsman. Sly fuckers, the lot of 'em. & I think BB have been rigging the votes to suit their own agenda.

Man, this is a subject I could post about for ages, so I have to try & cut it short, as this aint the thread for a good BB discussion...

Im sick of starting BB threads on the lounge anyway, cos no-one else will as they think it will affect their ESB 'street cred' so if someone has the balls to do one for once, I will get stuck right in on every BB subject from Caroles moaning to Ziggys weird mouth, but i wont hold my big scottish breath...:D(btw, that wasnt a hint for you to start one CHJ incase thats what you were thinking;) )

[China_hand_Joe]

I can't back the underdog Jonty, although I have nothing against him personally he is an underdog. Liam though, the perfect game player, although he won't win, he played the game as well as he could have.

It is interesting the twins were favorite to win this week, BB may be something worth betting on, if you could suss it all out.

I am a proud viewer of Big Brother. Proud. I fail to see the problem people have with observing animal group dynamics.

[achillesthegreat]

I've seen it now. Dunne was caught cold by a puncher who could finish. Dunne not got a china chin, it took numerous shots and kds to finish him.

He has to come out with a much better sweat than that. Plus he has to tighten up his defence. I mean literally keep his arms tighter.

Dunne can easily come back from this. His opponent may go on to be the next Katsidis, you just don't know yet. Still an unknown quantity. This is why fighting guys with padded records doesn't always work out well.

[Max Molyneux]

Dunne is not done.

He will be back better than ever. I truly believe that. I know a lot of people are saying hes chinny after being KO'd in such dramatic fashion but Im still not convinced. He was in against a heavy puncher & was caught cold, similar to Ray Bautista a few weeks back, & Matthew Hall, a few weeks before that. 3 young unbeaten prospects with bright futures, all beaten in the 1st round.

The 3 of these guys may be in fact chinny, but all Im saying is its difficult to tell when they are hurt in the first few minutes of a fight.
For intance, look at Juan Manuel Marquez. In the first round of his fight with big punching Pacquiao. Now we all know Marquez has a solid chin, but against Pac he was caught cold in the 1st round, was decked heavily THREE times & came within a bawhair(ball hair to non scots readers;) ) of being stopped. Then in the second round JMM gets his shit together, & gave Pac a boxing lesson & took all Pacs powershots no problem, & in many peoples opinion won the fight!

Now if the ref had stopped that fight in the first round, everyone would have been screaming that Marquez was chinny. You catch my drift?

Marquez was pimping Pac after the knockdowns though anyway.

[doggyland]

Gutted for Dunne.

There are still avenues for him :thumbsup

[Dunky McCafferty]

Marquez was pimping Pac after the knockdowns though anyway.

Exactly what I am getting at Max. The 1st round of a fight? Its not what people should judge a fighter on. & thats whats happening with Dunne, many have judged him as a chinless bum cos he lost a fight in the first round.

Defeats happen. shocks happen, especially in the 1st round when a fighter gets caught cold. Its boxing. Too many young punters obsessed with the 0 nowadays.

[Shev]

Overconfidence cost Dunne that fight because he's so hype in the south, I don't believe Dunne can compete beyond european level.

[GazOC]

The fights repeated 11pm tonight on Setanta.