Dana White on the Business of Boxing

[pit]

Here's a interview from Dana White , and his insight of the business ethics of boxing. Dana made some pretty interesting statement amid more at the promotors of the sport , let me know what you think.

UFC president Dana White has been a critic of the way boxing is run for a long time. Many boxing fan
agree with his comments on why the sport of boxing is troubled. White's recent comments took aim a
and his promotional company, Golden Boy Promotions. He went after the way De La Hoya does busin
undercards that accompany Oscar's pay-per-view appearances.
White has always said that he looked at the wrongs in boxing - to make sure that none of them would
He says De La Hoya's greed prevents him from stacking the undercards of his pay-per-views.
"I used (boxing) as the blueprint of what not to do. Boxing doesn't do what I would do if I was runnin
cards. When De La Hoya and Mayweather had their pay-per-view with over 1 million buys [actually 2.
have stacked that card with all the talent Golden Boy has. You know why he didn't? He didn't want to
White told the Long Beach Press Telegram.
White went a step further in his attack, stating that De La Hoya only cares about himself and is not th
who is willing to invest money in the future of the sport. He also says De La Hoya is not the only guilt
but White uses him to make a strong point about the very poor quality of fights on the undercards of
pay-per-view events.
"Nobody in boxing is willing to invest money back into boxing's future. We do in the UFC. The money
invest back into the business. We use it to help the grow the sport. Nobody in boxing is willing to do t
that, in my opinion, they have no reason to sit around and (cry) their sport is dying," White said.
"A lot of people love that De La Hoya is a fighter and the promoter but thing is, it leaves you short-sig
cares about himself. He knows he gets the pay-per-views when he fights but he doesn't stack the car
build future fights. You have to invest in a company and De La Hoya is not willing to do.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Did someone swipe an ax down the side of this article?

[PolishPummler]

That guy just cant get Boxing off of his mind.

[Rico Spadafora]

Someone needs to explain to Dana White that he has a Heavyweight Champion and an "Interim" Champion just like they do in Boxing. Did he forget this? But he is using Boxing as an example of what not to do? :huh Also, since he refuses to let his fighters fight other people we don't even know who the real Heavyweight Champion is.

The UFC and Affliction = the WBC and WBA etc.

Who is to say his champions are any better than anyone elses since they don't fight?

All of the MMA promotions are no different than the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO.

How do we know who the "real" champion is?

Dana White is a joke.

[marty]

That guy just cant get Boxing off of his mind.

Yip he is a real prick. We should maybe just ignore his ramblings, maybe then he will go away.:yep

[jexdd]

Here's where the math goes all wrong and Dana is a serious punk bitch

1. MMA / Boxing - Similar numbers on PPV and Gate
2. Boxing - ODL & PAC make $20 Million / $11 million respectively
3. MMA - Chuck Ice Man - makes a cool $750,000

[AbbasKhan6428]

dana has a point. dela hoya is a greedy mutha fucker

[BORI Q]

dana has a point. dela hoya is a greedy mutha fucker


Well he just got his ass kicked really badly in front of millions, god works in mesterios ways.

[Beenie]

Someone needs to explain to Dana White that he has a Heavyweight Champion and an "Interim" Champion just like they do in Boxing. Did he forget this? But he is using Boxing as an example of what not to do? :huh Also, since he refuses to let his fighters fight other people we don't even know who the real Heavyweight Champion is.

The UFC and Affliction = the WBC and WBA etc.

Who is to say his champions are any better than anyone elses since they don't fight?

All of the MMA promotions are no different than the WBC, WBA, IBF, and WBO.

How do we know who the "real" champion is?

Dana White is a joke.

It's common knowledge that the UFC has for the most part the best fighters in MMA. Although the organizations don't cross promote and there will always be questions about who the best is, it's still a more effective strategy than what boxing does. There are so many titles that the casual fan really has no comprehension on who the champion is. Every time I talk boxing with a casual fan who likes MMA more, they are quick to make this a point. They also point out how the boxing under cards are crap and unfortunately I can't rebuttal that. People may not like Dana but one can't dispute that he's running an effective political strategy that's winning over casual fight fans and consistently putting up big PPV numbers.

[FlatNose]

Not a surprise that a guy involved with an activity directly in competition with boxing would make such statements? MMA will NEVER have an event that would copare to some of the great events that boxing has produced. Ali-Frazier I, Duran-Leonard I, or scores of other fights throughout history. The Louis-Schmeling fights were microcosyms of the political state of the world. Jack Johnson against any of the white hopes of that era caused nationwide turmoil. When Barry Mcguigin fought ,the bitterly divided Irish Catholics and Protostents rooted for Barry in unison. MMA is a sideshow in comparison.

[scurlaruntings]

It's common knowledge that the UFC has for the most part the best fighters in MMA. Although the organizations don't cross promote and there will always be questions about who the best is, it's still a more effective strategy than what boxing does. There are so many titles that the casual fan really has no comprehension on who the champion is. Every time I talk boxing with a casual fan who likes MMA more, they are quick to make this a point. They also point out how the boxing under cards are crap and unfortunately I can't rebuttal that. People may not like Dana but one can't dispute that he's running an effective political strategy that's winning over casual fight fans and consistently putting up big PPV numbers.No the UFC DOESNT do cross promotions hence why Couture Fedor never happened when it was supposed to because Dana wanted options on Fedor and he told him fuck you eloquently. Dana is a failed boxing promoter who caught life with an oragnization that was banned and itself was failing until it was bought by Zuffa. Up until PRIDE got sold they didnt even have the best fighters in the world. The only reason why there still the king dick is because there economic model works for Dana and the UFC. BUT it fucks the fighters who get paid a pittance in return.

[Kush]

Oscars the biggest jew to come out of East LA

[Rico Spadafora]

It's common knowledge that the UFC has for the most part the best fighters in MMA. Although the organizations don't cross promote and there will always be questions about who the best is, it's still a more effective strategy than what boxing does. There are so many titles that the casual fan really has no comprehension on who the champion is. Every time I talk boxing with a casual fan who likes MMA more, they are quick to make this a point. They also point out how the boxing under cards are crap and unfortunately I can't rebuttal that. People may not like Dana but one can't dispute that he's running an effective political strategy that's winning over casual fight fans and consistently putting up big PPV numbers.


Again, how do we know that Lesnar or Mir would beat Fedor? All of these different MMA Organizations that are out there are the eqivilent of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO etc.

And the UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke they have a former WWF wrestler as their champion for christ sakes. Affliction has a much better Heavyweight stable of fighters including a few former UFC Heavyweight Champions. The UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke.

[sdsfinest22]

How come there fighters aren't making as much as boxers than?

[Rico Spadafora]

How come there fighters aren't making as much as boxers than?

because greedy Dana White is the one making all the money. A Huge pay day in MMA is 500k. That is a farce.

There were top level boxers making that in 1980 for christ sakes!

[catasyou]

I piss on Dana White,he is no better than de la Hoya.

[pit]

Here's where the math goes all wrong and Dana is a serious punk bitch

1. MMA / Boxing - Similar numbers on PPV and Gate
2. Boxing - ODL & PAC make $20 Million / $11 million respectively
3. MMA - Chuck Ice Man - makes a cool $750,000

True but he stacks the cards with good headliners also, imagine what the reviews would have been if Oscar had more headliner on his PPV card or if Cotto and Margarito were on the same card against quality opponents.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

because greedy Dana White is the one making all the money. A Huge pay day in MMA is 500k. That is a farce.

There were top level boxers making that in 1980 for christ sakes!
A few things.

1. How long had boxing been an established sport since 1980? How long has MMA been established?

2. If you notice, the UFC is thriving... yet every other company that starts up and starts paying out those huge paydays crashes down within months.

3. The UFC helps the fighters get huge paydays from advertisements as well. The top fighters are WELL taken care of. 99% of boxers don't make anything close to what the top MMA guys make.

[Rico Spadafora]

A few things.

1. How long had boxing been an established sport since 1980? How long has MMA been established?

2. If you notice, the UFC is thriving... yet every other company that starts up and starts paying out those huge paydays crashes down within months.

3. The UFC helps the fighters get huge paydays from advertisements as well. The top fighters are WELL taken care of. 99% of boxers don't make anything close to what the top MMA guys make.

yes the top 3 or 4 guys are making money. You don't even have to be a decent boxer to make 1 mil anymore. Hell Rahman just made a million going over to Germany to get KOed.

The percentage of Boxers making at least 1 million a fight is much higher than the 3 or 4 MMA guys that make that much money. White is just as greedy if not greedier than your boy Oscar.

[The Mighty One]

White is right.
Many boxing fans who post on ESB are afraid of the truth. There HAS to be changes in boxing. Just like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, General Motors the "way its always been" is defective.
Stacking cards has to happen if PPV is to survive. Without PPV boxing is dead in the U.S. because there are NO sponsors willing to pay a dime to support the sport.
Get your heads out of the sand!!

[ripcity]

I stoped caring about what Dana White has to say about boxing, even when and if he is correct. It is just his way of promoting his bussnesss. In this case MMA and his compony The UFC. For the record while I am not a"fan" of MMA I have nothing against it.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

yes the top 3 or 4 guys are making money. You don't even have to be a decent boxer to make 1 mil anymore. Hell Rahman just made a million going over to Germany to get KOed.

The percentage of Boxers making at least 1 million a fight is much higher than the 3 or 4 MMA guys that make that much money. White is just as greedy if not greedier than your boy Oscar.
I wouldn't call a former undisputed heavyweight champion "not a decent boxer". Also, it isn't common that a boxer not at the top of his division makes 1 million either. It may seem that way... because we judge them off of fights in which they are televised on HBO against World Champion who are a big draw.

Dana White only owns 10% of the UFC, I don't know why people act like he is keeping all of the money. In reality, they can show a loss every year because they put so much money back into the Organization. Of course they are making money, and they should. Should they pay outrageous purses and collapse like the other orgs? How happy do you think that the fighters would be then? They would either have to get a job, or fight in minor events for a couple hundred dollars. I know plenty of MMA fighters and all of them would cut off their nuts to fight in the UFC for those paydays.

I especially like how he gives bonuses for winning, knockout of the night, submission of the night, fight of the night, ect... As it clearly leads to fighters fighting harder and giving the fans better fights. Not only that, but they let you watch so many fights on the card, that are usually always competitive.

[Rico Spadafora]

[quote=WiDDoW_MaKeR;3149002]I wouldn't call a former undisputed heavyweight champion "not a decent boxer". Also, it isn't common that a boxer not at the top of his division makes 1 million either. It may seem that way... because we judge them off of fights in which they are televised on HBO against World Champion who are a big draw.

We can't even really use 1 mil as a standard for MMA because there are only 2 guys who are actually making that. We should use 500k or lower because that is at the 98 percentile of pay for a main eventer in UFC. So in reality compare the number of Boxers that make 500k a fight and the number of UFC guys that do. It is not even close.


Dana White only owns 10% of the UFC, I don't know why people act like he is keeping all of the money. In reality, they can show a loss every year because they put so much money back into the Organization. Of course they are making money, and they should. Should they pay outrageous purses and collapse like the other orgs? How happy do you think that the fighters would be then? They would either have to get a job, or fight in minor events for a couple hundred dollars. I know plenty of MMA fighters and all of them would cut off their nuts to fight in the UFC for those paydays.



Affliction is paying their guys and they are still around and their Heavyweight Division blows away the UFC.



I especially like how he gives bonuses for winning, knockout of the night, submission of the night, fight of the night, ect... As it clearly leads to fighters fighting harder and giving the fans better fights. Not only that, but they let you watch so many fights on the card, that are usually always competitive



Yes the bonuses are a good thing but it comes across as some type of gimmick. I don't care about undercard fights in Boxing anyway. The guys in UFC fighting on the undercards and not co-main event status are making between 4k on the low end and 16k on the high end. That is a joke.

[mking]

dana is a fag

[scurlaruntings]

Again, how do we know that Lesnar or Mir would beat Fedor? All of these different MMA Organizations that are out there are the eqivilent of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO etc.

And the UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke they have a former WWF wrestler as their champion for christ sakes. Affliction has a much better Heavyweight stable of fighters including a few former UFC Heavyweight Champions. The UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke.This is what i was saying looong before Brock won the title. It hardly adds any legitmacy when they have a former WWE wrestler as the best heavy on the planet. Outside of the UFC there has always been more depth at heavy. The old PRIDE heavy ranks were ridiculously deep.

[Rico Spadafora]

This is what i was saying looong before Brock won the title. It hardly adds any legitmacy when they have a former WWE wrestler as the best heavy on the planet. Outside of the UFC there has always been more depth at heavy. The old PRIDE heavy ranks were ridiculously deep.


well that and White said he is using Boxing as an example of what NOT to do in the UFC yet the clown has an "interim" champion for christ sakes. He loses all credibility right there.

I do not hate MMA I bought the first Affliction PPV and might buy the one later next month. I also like watching K-1 and some of the other organizations I just don't care for White or the UFC.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

[quote]

We can't even really use 1 mil as a standard for MMA because there are only 2 guys who are actually making that. We should use 500k or lower because that is at the 98 percentile of pay for a main eventer in UFC. So in reality compare the number of Boxers that make 500k a fight and the number of UFC guys that do. It is not even close.



Affliction is paying their guys and they are still around and their Heavyweight Division blows away the UFC.





Yes the bonuses are a good thing but it comes across as some type of gimmick. I don't care about undercard fights in Boxing anyway. The guys in UFC fighting on the undercards and not co-main event status are making between 4k on the low end and 16k on the high end. That is a joke.
Affliction has only put on one show, have already canceled one show, and have been rumored to be in serious trouble. Not only that, but their best fighter Fedor only made $300,000 for his fight in Affliction vs Sylvia. Tim actually made more than him, and the UFC were willing to pay Fedor MUCH more than that, and Fedor declined. You really aren't going to get too far using Affliction as your example. Although, I loved the last show, and I am really looking forward to Fedor vs Arlovski as well.

People who consider it some sort of gimmick obviously are people who can't be pleased. I bet you wouldn't find one single active fighter in the world, boxing, MMA, whatever, who would think that getting a bonus for winning ect.. is a bad idea.

Once again, talking about what a handful of established boxers, who have been probably boxing themselves longer than the UFC has been established as a productive company isn't a good meter to base your thoughts on. Boxing itself has a rich history and today's boxers are reaping rewards of being in a sport that is pretty much born into the blood of Americans. MMA in general is like a newborn baby in comparison, and is not only doing quite well, but I can assure you that the top MMA fighters in the world are thanking their lucky stars that they have a platform in order to make the kind of money that they are making. A hell of a lot better than doing roofs. Hell, as a wrestler myself it always sucked thinking about no matter how far you went, there really wasn't any money in real wrestling. MMA came along and changed all of that.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

This is what i was saying looong before Brock won the title. It hardly adds any legitmacy when they have a former WWE wrestler as the best heavy on the planet. Outside of the UFC there has always been more depth at heavy. The old PRIDE heavy ranks were ridiculously deep.
People keep talking about how great and deep Pride was at heavyweight... yet all of the greats, outside of Fedor, came over the UFC and got their dicks knocked in the dirt. Other greats from Pride like Barnett were even knocked out in the UFC before they went over to pride. You couldn't find a list that didn't have NOG and Cro Cop in the top 3 of the heavyweight division when they came over to the UFC. Nog gets owned by Mir, and Cro Cop gets owned by Gonzaga and Kongo. It's a little bit of smoke in mirrors in pride... along with the fact that fighters have already came out and admitted about that rabid drug use over in Pride. I personally know a fighter who fought in Pride, and he told me that they actually handed you a paper letting you know every drug that would NOT be tested for. Do you know what happens at that point? Fighters over there were hoped up on everything. You almost had to be, because if you weren't... the guy that you were fighting was. Why do you think that so many pride fighters came into the UFC and "didn't look the same"?

Also, people who label Brock by his WWE days clearly aren't knowledgable for many reasons. I will name 2.

1. What does it matter that he was in the WWE, when we all know that he was such a successful NCAA Champion wrestler?

2. Did you happen to notice how many Pride fighters participated in Japan's Pro wrestling circuit?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I have to go Coach my little guy's youth wrestling practice... I will be back later to chat with you guys.

[El Puma]

[quote=Rico Spadafora;3149085]
Affliction has only put on one show, have already canceled one show, and have been rumored to be in serious trouble. Not only that, but their best fighter Fedor only made $300,000 for his fight in Affliction vs Sylvia. Tim actually made more than him, and the UFC were willing to pay Fedor MUCH more than that, and Fedor declined. You really aren't going to get too far using Affliction as your example. Although, I loved the last show, and I am really looking forward to Fedor vs Arlovski as well.

People who consider it some sort of gimmick obviously are people who can't be pleased. I bet you wouldn't find one single active fighter in the world, boxing, MMA, whatever, who would think that getting a bonus for winning ect.. is a bad idea.

Once again, talking about what a handful of established boxers, who have been probably boxing themselves longer than the UFC has been established as a productive company isn't a good meter to base your thoughts on. Boxing itself has a rich history and today's boxers are reaping rewards of being in a sport that is pretty much born into the blood of Americans. MMA in general is like a newborn baby in comparison, and is not only doing quite well, but I can assure you that the top MMA fighters in the world are thanking their lucky stars that they have a platform in order to make the kind of money that they are making. A hell of a lot better than doing roofs. Hell, as a wrestler myself it always sucked thinking about no matter how far you went, there really wasn't any money in real wrestling. MMA came along and changed all of that.:clap:

[scurlaruntings]

People keep talking about how great and deep Pride was at heavyweight... yet all of the greats, outside of Fedor, came over the UFC and got their dicks knocked in the dirt. Other greats from Pride like Barnett were even knocked out in the UFC before they went over to pride. You couldn't find a list that didn't have NOG and Cro Cop in the top 3 of the heavyweight division when they came over to the UFC. Nog gets owned by Mir, and Cro Cop gets owned by Gonzaga and Kongo. It's a little bit of smoke in mirrors in pride... along with the fact that fighters have already came out and admitted about that rabid drug use over in Pride. I personally know a fighter who fought in Pride, and he told me that they actually handed you a paper letting you know every drug that would NOT be tested for. Do you know what happens at that point? Fighters over there were hoped up on everything. You almost had to be, because if you weren't... the guy that you were fighting was. Why do you think that so many pride fighters came into the UFC and "didn't look the same"?

Also, people who label Brock by his WWE days clearly aren't knowledgable for many reasons. I will name 2.

1. What does it matter that he was in the WWE, when we all know that he was such a successful NCAA Champion wrestler?

2. Did you happen to notice how many Pride fighters participated in Japan's Pro wrestling circuit?So what? What exactly is that supposed to be an indication of? Barnett Nog Fedor and CC. 4 of the best heavies in the world. NONE were in the UFC at the time. Shall we compare that to merrigoround with Arlovski Sylvia and Mirs form just after his car crash? Even Brandon Vera gave him a brutal beat down as did Marcio Cruz so what exactly is your point? Sylvia meanwhile got owned in under 50 seconds and Arlovski is no longer with the UFC. Other than that they had Jeff Monson to boast about who also is no longer with the UFC who himself got owned by Sylvia.

As for comparing there performances in the UFC thats completely futile. Its apparent as light is present during day that Nogs best days were in PRIDE. CC is the same. Remember the OWGP back in 2006 when he handed Wandy one of the most brutal KO losses ever witnessed in a PRIDE ring? Or his beat down of Barnett back to back? But hey there all on gear right?
Pretty ironic coming from a Coleman jock like you. UFC fighters have been busted repeatedly for gear abuse. Sylvia was on it. Barnett was banned for it. And recently surprise surprise Sean Sherk was found to be on them. Those are just the notable cases. You best believe it testing or not theres plenty of guys in MMA on hormones.

As for fighters being hyped up thats more hogwash. Il judge them by there peformances. I watched CC Coleman Shogun Fedor etc do great things in the PRIDE ring. Thats hardly hype is it. Hype is Lesnar getting a title shot vs Randy when his done NOTHING to deserve it. But hey it made the UFC good money right? Meanwhile Kongo has been in the UFC for a minute and still cant get a title shot? Machida keeps winning and still doesnt get a title shot. Knowledgeable my fucking ass.

[scurlaruntings]

well that and White said he is using Boxing as an example of what NOT to do in the UFC yet the clown has an "interim" champion for christ sakes. He loses all credibility right there.

I do not hate MMA I bought the first Affliction PPV and might buy the one later next month. I also like watching K-1 and some of the other organizations I just don't care for White or the UFC.The interim title was dished out because Randy was inactive due to an outstanding dispute with Dana/Zuffa. And rather than let the title go stale he gave us Big Nog vs Sylvia for the interim belt. Bit pointless really as as soon as Randy came back Lesnar got a title shot. The UFC does what is best for its business as a whole. Thats no diffrent to any other ABC org. They certainly do not do whats best for there fighters. If they did they wouldnt be paid such feeble amounts. The undercarders make pittance. There pay isnt enough to even cover there expenses.

[Beenie]

Again, how do we know that Lesnar or Mir would beat Fedor? All of these different MMA Organizations that are out there are the eqivilent of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO etc.

And the UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke they have a former WWF wrestler as their champion for christ sakes. Affliction has a much better Heavyweight stable of fighters including a few former UFC Heavyweight Champions. The UFC Heavyweight Division is a complete joke.

I don't and Fedor is the exception. UFC does have the best overall roster when you look at all the weight divisions. As far as Lesnar goes I too think it's comical how somebody with his limited experience to have gotten a title shot. He has to fight Mir again and win to really validate himself.

All Im trying to say is that White has structured UFC in a way the benefits the fans. The PPV buys supports my opinion because the UFC numbers for the most part have been better the the boxing PPV numbers this past year. I'm not saying I necessarily like the guy but I respect what White's trying to with his company and I would like to see boxing with a similar structure.

[scurlaruntings]

I don't and Fedor is the exception. UFC does have the best overall roster when you look at all the weight divisions. As far as Lesnar goes I too think it's comical how somebody with his limited experience to have gotten a title shot. He has to fight Mir again and win to really validate himself.

All Im trying to say is that White has structured UFC in a way the benefits the fans. The PPV buys supports my opinion because the UFC numbers for the most part have been better the the boxing PPV numbers this past year. I'm not saying I necessarily like the guy but I respect what White's trying to with his company and I would like to see boxing with a similar structure.The UFC is a business that is PART of MMA. It is NOT MMA nor is it the face of the sport. Its not possible to compare a sport with a business model. The UFC looks after its own interests as does every other promoter ABC etc involved in boxing. Thats the nature of business. The only reason why the UFC is doing so well is because they have a shred businessmen at the helm, billionaire backers and an economic model that pays peanuts to there fighters. They also do a great job marketting there UFC product to the West. So far the UFC has bought PRIDE WFA and the WEC. Competition is good for any business and ANY sport. The UFC is no diffrent. If Danas was interested in the sport as a whole he would cross promote and work with other orgs. In that essence it makes him no diffrent to any other ABC in boxing. Seeing as he was a failed boxing promoter thats hardly surprising.

[Bodysnatcher]

I am just getting into UFC and don't understand the ins and outs of the business, but forgive me if I'm wrong, shouldn't UFC fighters be getting a union together or something to get paid a shitload more money...on a similar level to star boxers?

[scurlaruntings]

I am just getting into UFC and don't understand the ins and outs of the business, but forgive me if I'm wrong, shouldn't UFC fighters be getting a union together or something to get paid a shitload more money...on a similar level to star boxers?They could certainly do with it. The problem is the UFC is untouchable in the world of MMA now. There the biggest org out there and you arent going to bite the hand that feeds you. Dana is essentially the promoter for any fighter in the UFC. As long as he is the promoter aswell as the president of the UFC that doesnt leave fighters trying to earn a buck much bargaining chips. With a 10% stake in the UFC he looks after his own interests first.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

So what? What exactly is that supposed to be an indication of? Barnett Nog Fedor and CC. 4 of the best heavies in the world. NONE were in the UFC at the time. Shall we compare that to merrigoround with Arlovski Sylvia and Mirs form just after his car crash? Even Brandon Vera gave him a brutal beat down as did Marcio Cruz so what exactly is your point? Sylvia meanwhile got owned in under 50 seconds and Arlovski is no longer with the UFC. Other than that they had Jeff Monson to boast about who also is no longer with the UFC who himself got owned by Sylvia.

As for comparing there performances in the UFC thats completely futile. Its apparent as light is present during day that Nogs best days were in PRIDE. CC is the same. Remember the OWGP back in 2006 when he handed Wandy one of the most brutal KO losses ever witnessed in a PRIDE ring? Or his beat down of Barnett back to back? But hey there all on gear right?
Pretty ironic coming from a Coleman jock like you. UFC fighters have been busted repeatedly for gear abuse. Sylvia was on it. Barnett was banned for it. And recently surprise surprise Sean Sherk was found to be on them. Those are just the notable cases. You best believe it testing or not theres plenty of guys in MMA on hormones.

As for fighters being hyped up thats more hogwash. Il judge them by there peformances. I watched CC Coleman Shogun Fedor etc do great things in the PRIDE ring. Thats hardly hype is it. Hype is Lesnar getting a title shot vs Randy when his done NOTHING to deserve it. But hey it made the UFC good money right? Meanwhile Kongo has been in the UFC for a minute and still cant get a title shot? Machida keeps winning and still doesnt get a title shot. Knowledgeable my fucking ass.
It's funny how you use Cro Cop in the OWGP as him being in his prime, and point out his great performances in the OWGP... yet he came to the UFC directly after that, got his ass whipped, and then all of the sudden he was past it. Must be nice to go from being at your best to being shot in 7 months time when it fits an agenda. When Cro-cop came to the UFC, he was AT THE TOP of his game. People were talking about how he would beat Fedor in a rematch... he loses... he's shot. For fuck's sake, people lose when at their best, it happens. The only reason people say bullshit like that is because they want to keep pretending like Pride was so much deeper than the UFC. However, for some reason one of the top 3 fighters in pride came over and got dominated by a couple of fridge contenders in the UFC. Herring came over, and got dominated... Nog just got dominated... it just keeps happening, and people just keep making excuses.

[Beenie]

The UFC is a business that is PART of MMA. It is NOT MMA nor is it the face of the sport. Its not possible to compare a sport with a business model. The UFC looks after its own interests as does every other promoter ABC etc involved in boxing. Thats the nature of business. The only reason why the UFC is doing so well is because they have a shred businessmen at the helm, billionaire backers and an economic model that pays peanuts to there fighters. They also do a great job marketting there UFC product to the West. So far the UFC has bought PRIDE WFA and the WEC. Competition is good for any business and ANY sport. The UFC is no diffrent. If Danas was interested in the sport as a whole he would cross promote and work with other orgs. In that essence it makes him no diffrent to any other ABC in boxing. Seeing as he was a failed boxing promoter thats hardly surprising.


I agree that the UFC is just like any other sport in the sense that they are looking out for themselves first and foremost, but how is that different than any other sport such as baseball or basketball. The NBA isn't basketball but it's the number one professional organization in basketball. It's widely excepted that they feature the best players in the world. I guess if one wanted to dispute that one could say that the best Euro team could potentially be better than the Celtics and that the NBA should expand themselves abroad in an attempt to settle the debate.

As the ppv buys get bigger and the individual fighters get more commercial recognition the the fighters will eventually get paid more. My understanding is currently the UFC pays each fighter (x) amount just to show up and then the winner gets an additional cut. I actually think that's a good idea and something that boxing should look at.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It just honestly cracks me up listening to you guys talk about how bad these fighters have it... when I know a lot of them, and they absolutely love it. Painting Dana White out to be this Devil, when in reality, the fighters (all but a few who think they are bigger than they are) like him, and he is cool as hell with them. He carries himself in a sarcastic manner a lot, and people don't get that.

Watch some videos, and see how he really interacts with people. Not quite as evil as he is made out to be.

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[scurlaruntings]

It's funny how you use Cro Cop in the OWGP as him being in his prime, and point out his great performances in the OWGP... yet he came to the UFC directly after that, got his ass whipped, and then all of the sudden he was past it. Must be nice to go from being at your best to being shot in 7 months time when it fits an agenda. When Cro-cop came to the UFC, he was AT THE TOP of his game. People were talking about how he would beat Fedor in a rematch... he loses... he's shot. For fuck's sake, people lose when at their best, it happens. The only reason people say bullshit like that is because they want to keep pretending like Pride was so much deeper than the UFC. However, for some reason one of the top 3 fighters in pride came over and got dominated by a couple of fridge contenders in the UFC. Herring came over, and got dominated... Nog just got dominated... it just keeps happening, and people just keep making excuses.Who`s making excuses? Isnt that exactly what you did to try and make your point? :roll: Ray Charles can see Nog is shot. He can also see Wandy and CC are defintly done. If you dont believe me watch his awful peformance vs Overeem. Matter of fact today at the Fields 2008 weighin CC sounded completely jaded with his comments that he didnt even know how he was going to beat Choi. Certainly sounds like a fighter having an off night right?

Now why dont you mention the PRIDE fighters like Rampage who came and took Liddells title with a devastating KO. Anderson also did the same. Or have your forgotten that?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Who`s making excuses? Isnt that exactly what you did to try and make your point? :roll: Ray Charles can see Nog is shot. He can also see Wandy and CC are defintly done. If you dont believe me watch his awful peformance vs Overeem. Matter of fact today at the Fields 2008 weighin CC sounded completely jaded with his comments that he didnt even know how he was going to beat Choi. Certainly sounds like a fighter having an off night right?

Now why dont you mention the PRIDE fighters like Rampage who came and took Liddells title with a devastating KO. Anderson also did the same. Or have your forgotten that?
I am sure that Cro-Cop is dealing with confidence issues now. However, we aren't talking about Cro-Cop right now... we are talking about when he was claimed to be at his best... got destroyed AT THAT POINT, and now in hindsight... people act like was shot. It's a ridiculous way to look at things. Fighters simply don't go to being at their best, to being shot in under 7 months.

You are acting like I am not a fan of pride fighters. I was just as big a fan of Pride, than I am of the UFC. I watched every event from both of them. I am just balanced enough realize that both sides have a lot of talent. There were guys from pride that came over and did great. No doubt, just like guys from the UFC went over to pride and did great. Some guys from the UFC went over and lost, and guys from pride came over here and lost... that is my point. Nobody had all of the best fighters in any division. Rampage came over and did great, and then got beat by a guy from TUF show. That's is what I am trying to tell you... Pride and the UFC were both stacked with talent.

[scurlaruntings]

I am sure that Cro-Cop is dealing with confidence issues now. However, we aren't talking about Cro-Cop right now... we are talking about when he was claimed to be at his best... got destroyed AT THAT POINT, and now in hindsight... people act like was shot. It's a ridiculous way to look at things. Fighters simply don't go to being at their best, to being shot in under 7 months.No doubt. Most when they saw his performance at OWGP were calling for a Fedor rematch. PRIDE subsquently went defunct and CC entered the UFC to the PRIDE theme. The guy never wanted to be there and much like when he fought Randleman the first time thought he was being handed a gimme. Since his career has gone down the shitter and i can only conclude from this that mentally and physically he is spent. The guy has been battling a myriad of injuries for sometime and just doesnt have it in the ring anymore.

[scurlaruntings]

Pride and the UFC were both stacked with talent.This they were. But its fairly obvious that during PRIDEs hey day there heavy division was much deeper than the woefully thin UFC`s.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Scur... we argue a lot. However, I find myself loving you.

[scurlaruntings]

Scur... we argue a lot. However, I find myself loving you.Less of the love shit ok. :fire

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Less of the love shit ok. :fire
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[Imperial1]

White knows what he's talking about ..There is a reason Broc vs Coture got them over 1 mil in ppv buys !

[ChrisPontius]

My impression is that Dana takes a shitload of money, which is why the fighters make so little despite pretty high PPV numbers. But regardless of that and his interim title, his point about shitty undercards stands.

It doesn't have to be Cotto-Margarito and DLH-Pac on one card, but at least a prospect like Tavoris Cloud, Gamboa, hell, even a semi-prospect like Denis Boytsov, Dimitrius Andrade or Odlanier Solis would do.





On UFC; i don't know really know that much about it, but isn't it true that the title keeps changing hands basically every time therei s a championship fight? A former WWE dancer holding the title surely doesn't help the image, although the average fan probably doesn't know nor care, as long as it's big muscular dudes fighting in there.
But a long reigning, hell, a few fights-reigning champion would certainly make the sport more interesting. I'm no fan, but a seemingly unbeatable guy like Fedor is very appealing.

[Imperial1]

My impression is that Dana takes a shitload of money, which is why the fighters make so little despite pretty high PPV numbers. But regardless of that and his interim title, his point about shitty undercards stands.

It doesn't have to be Cotto-Margarito and DLH-Pac on one card, but at least a prospect like Tavoris Cloud, Gamboa, hell, even a semi-prospect like Denis Boytsov, Dimitrius Andrade or Odlanier Solis would do.





On UFC; i don't know really know that much about it, but isn't it true that the title keeps changing hands basically every time therei s a championship fight? A former WWE dancer holding the title surely doesn't help the image, although the average fan probably doesn't know nor care, as long as it's big muscular dudes fighting in there.
But a long reigning, hell, a few fights-reigning champion would certainly make the sport more interesting. I'm no fan, but a seemingly unbeatable guy like Fedor is very appealing.


What does the current HW picture do for the face of boxing ? At least in the UFC there is one champ ! People don't make fun of boxing for nothing !

Boxing should take a look at the UFC I mean all their cards are stacked are people really getting on White with what he does with his moneyt ? Well last I checked there are only two type of classes in boxing upper class and lower class in MMA everyone can eat in boxing some fighters have no choice but to wait for scraps!

[ShadowWorks]

dana has a point. dela hoya is a greedy mutha fucker

I have to agree with Abbas, DLH is a hoarder of money, Dana White actually knows loads about boxing, he ran boxing gyms for a few years, lets face it Dana White is going to buy boxing for a dim in some deal one day.

[scurlaruntings]

I have to agree with Abbas, DLH is a hoarder of money, Dana White actually knows loads about boxing, he ran boxing gyms for a few years, lets face it Dana White is going to buy boxing for a dim in some deal one day.Yeah thats right he`s going to buy a SPORT.:roll:

[scurlaruntings]

What does the current HW picture do for the face of boxing ? At least in the UFC there is one champ ! People don't make fun of boxing for nothing !

Boxing should take a look at the UFC I mean all their cards are stacked are people really getting on White with what he does with his moneyt ? Well last I checked there are only two type of classes in boxing upper class and lower class in MMA everyone can eat in boxing some fighters have no choice but to wait for scraps!Correct theres ONE champ in each division in the UFC. As there is in the WBC WBA IBF etc. Cage Rage, WAMMA, StrikeForce as well as all other orgs have there OWN champ. Not that much diffrent is it..

[MMAFIGHTER1]

I think that it's a good rivalry between mma and boxing it will just force both 2 put on better cards. We the fans are the winners in the end:happy

[cdnboxing]

Dana Whites MMA model isnt exactly perfect either.

BUT, he does have a point. DLH has an opportunity to really help the sport but he chooses to fill his pockets instead. And thats real frustrating.

[cdnboxing]

White knows what he's talking about ..There is a reason Broc vs Coture got them over 1 mil in ppv buys !

You can thank the WWE for that. They made Brock into a mainstream star not the UFC.

[iceman71]

No the UFC DOESNT do cross promotions hence why Couture Fedor never happened when it was supposed to because Dana wanted options on Fedor and he told him fuck you eloquently. Dana is a failed boxing promoter who caught life with an oragnization that was banned and itself was failing until it was bought by Zuffa. Up until PRIDE got sold they didnt even have the best fighters in the world. The only reason why there still the king dick is because there economic model works for Dana and the UFC. BUT it fucks the fighters who get paid a pittance in return.

yeah, the UFC is much like its on league/promotion...it would be equal to say...if Golden Boy Promotions just had their fighters fight each other month in and month out..and had their own champion crowned.... white makes a ton of money because he never has to share it with anyone else...he owns it and promotes it....

[Rico Spadafora]

White knows what he's talking about ..There is a reason Broc vs Coture got them over 1 mil in ppv buys !


uh I thought it did 800k and White was predicting 1.2 million PPV buys.

[kinski]

Dana is the white Don King!

[scurlaruntings]

yeah, the UFC is much like its on league/promotion...it would be equal to say...if Golden Boy Promotions just had their fighters fight each other month in and month out..and had their own champion crowned.... white makes a ton of money because he never has to share it with anyone else...he owns it and promotes it....Exactly. How can you go wrong when your the owner the promoter and the organization with a billionaire benefactor?

[ShadowWorks]

Yeah thats right he`s going to buy a SPORT.:roll:

Boxing is a business, any business can change hands, all you have to do is become a majority share holder.

[codeman99998]

because greedy Dana White is the one making all the money. A Huge pay day in MMA is 500k. That is a farce.

There were top level boxers making that in 1980 for christ sakes!

As if you can't live extremely comfortably off of 500k a year? I prefer my fighters living well but I don't like them making 11 million a fight and getting fat and lazy.

[Calroid]

Instead of getting pissed off at Dana White and trying to demean what he is saying, boxing should listen and learn from him. He speaks a lot of sense.

Getting all defensive, attacking what he says and demeaning it as irrelevant is not going to help the future of boxing. Boxing needs more promotion.

The majority of younger fans (no I don't have any stats to back this up, but it is pretty obvious just from talking to younger people in my town) are more interested in MMA than boxing. The way things are going right now, MMA will become more popular than boxing in the next 20 - 30 years.

Promotion is everything. I love boxing but even I have to admit that The Ultimate Fighter is a better, more entertaining show to watch than The Contender.

I've been a boxing fan since I was young and I think that way, what do you think the youth of today who have to choose their favorite fighting sport are thinking?

I can tell you now, the majority like MMA.

Boxing is strangling itself with it's greed.

In a country that many people swear by Crap like McDonalds, obviously promotion is everything.

Better undercards are a must and more promotion on regular TV would also help.

Just My Opinion.

[Calroid]

Happy New Year Everybody!!!!!:partytime:soccergr::drink:dance:lama:beer:dunnowha::pukke:party:nutcase



Time for bed..............

[Rattler]

This they were. But its fairly obvious that during PRIDEs hey day there heavy division was much deeper than the woefully thin UFC`s.

Are you one of those hardasses who thinks only Heavyweight's matter?

I hope not, because then you'd suck.

[scurlaruntings]

Of course. Not but traditionally in ANY combat sport the heavyweights has always been the glamour division.

[Infern0]

Dana white needs to shut up and stay in his crap mma organisation. No-one in boxing cares about him or his shitty company