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buster007
12-31-2008, 01:38 AM
i just watched the replay again for the first time in ages and i still cant believe that that punch was capable of ko'ing him.
it was little more than a tap. it was probably the softest punch ottke landed all night. i know his head twisted quite sharply so maybe that was the cause but i just cant see how the impact from the punch could put him to sleep.
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pecks
12-31-2008, 01:47 AM
Loaded gloves.
Thread closed.
Loaded gloves.
Thread closed.:lol::lol:
There is more to this than meets the eyes :yep
LeonMcS
12-31-2008, 02:04 AM
Where can I send that bale of hay to Teke?
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 02:49 AM
Mundine was cometely fatigued and it was the easiest way out for him, he didn't even spar back in those days so he was in completely uncharted waters.
I have been waiting to see how his career panned out to see if this assesment was correct, and after watching him completly waste his talent I believe this to be correct,because in the back of his mind the decision he made that night obviously still haunts him.
People need to remember only a chin shot knocks you out like that a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold.
I hope He proves me wrong next year by defeating a top 5 guy but I think the demons won't let him take the chance.
pecks
12-31-2008, 02:55 AM
Mundine was cometely fatigued and it was the easiest way out for him, he didn't even spar back in those days so he was in completely uncharted waters.
I have been waiting to see how his career panned out to see if this assesment was correct, and after watching him completly waste his talent I believe this to be correct,because in the back of his mind the decision he made that night obviously still haunts him.
People need to remember only a chin shot knocks you out like that a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold.
I hope He proves me wrong next year by defeating a top 5 guy but I think the demons won't let him take the chance.So you're saying Mundine took a dive?
I disagree.
I think he was out of it and went down like he did due to the fatigue he was experiencing, and due to the fact that the punch hit him in the sweet spot.
pecks
12-31-2008, 02:56 AM
...and of course because Ottke had loaded gloves. ;)
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 03:06 AM
So you're saying Mundine took a dive?
I disagree.
I think he was out of it and went down like he did due to the fatigue he was experiencing, and due to the fact that the punch hit him in the sweet spot.
I agree it could have been fatigue but you don't close your eyes like that and go to sleep from fatigue and that punch.
At the end of the day it was an awesome effort at that stage of his career and without any sparring but I do believe that this one fight is the reason Mundine hasn't realized his potential due to lack of real confidence.
His KO and the one that RJJ copped from Johnson was made worse by how hard their head hit the canvas. Both bounce beautifully :lol::lol:
pecks
12-31-2008, 03:15 AM
I agree it could have been fatigue but you don't close your eyes like that and go to sleep from fatigue and that punch.
At the end of the day it was an awesome effort at that stage of his career and without any sparring but I do believe that this one fight is the reason Mundine hasn't realized his potential due to lack of real confidence.That loss certainly did haunt him for a long time, perhaps it still does.
He became totally unwilling to engage for a while after that. Even though he beat Echolls, he looked more like a guy fighting for survival rather than someone trying to knock his opponent out.
daz52
12-31-2008, 03:16 AM
His KO and the one that RJJ copped from Johnson was made worse by how hard their head hit the canvas. Both bounce beautifully :lol::lol:
Was just about to say, in both cases the heads bouncing off the canvases were harder then the actual shots !
Was just about to say, in both cases the heads bouncing off the canvases were harder then the actual shots !Roys one was a particularly good firm bounce
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 03:32 AM
His KO and the one that RJJ copped from Johnson was made worse by how hard their head hit the canvas. Both bounce beautifully :lol::lol:
Good call but the fight has affected his career and direction the only reason you would drop a division at his age is if you were trying to get away from the power, even the Jap scared him and made him remember his fears.
Mundine was cometely fatigued and it was the easiest way out for him, he didn't even spar back in those days so he was in completely uncharted waters.
I have been waiting to see how his career panned out to see if this assesment was correct, and after watching him completly waste his talent I believe this to be correct,because in the back of his mind the decision he made that night obviously still haunts him.
People need to remember only a chin shot knocks you out like that a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold.
I hope He proves me wrong next year by defeating a top 5 guy but I think the demons won't let him take the chance.
I've been dissecting some of your posts over the last couple of weeks and to be honest haven't really given them much credit. But on this occassion, i cannot disagree with you and any aspect on the above paragraph.
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 04:16 AM
I've been dissecting some of your posts over the last couple of weeks and to be honest haven't really given them much credit. But on this occassion, i cannot disagree with you and any aspect on the above paragraph.
Kel,
I didn't come on here to make friends but I eat, sleep and shit boxing and have read these forums for a few years and although I have been attacked by a few people I am not going anywhere, and am really enjoying my experience here, I think my wife thinks I am having an affair:patsch
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 05:04 AM
quote=Anenigma
People need to remember only a chin shot knocks you out like that a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold.
the more you open your big mouth, the dumber you prove you are.....:deal
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the more you open your big mouth, the dumber you prove you are.....:deal
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Actually mate u been knocked out by a chin shot or a temple shot before???????
Big difference.
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 05:19 AM
the more you open your big mouth, the dumber you prove you are.....:deal
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I knew you would be lurking close by bitch, my statement is made from experience dickhead and your comment just made me realize you know jack.
Why don't you give me a valid argument, it's easy to bag without anything to back it up.
Lucky I understand german then. They interviewed the ring doctor at the end who said he was slowly recovering however "did not know at all which round they were in", nor did he realise he was out that long. So I dont think it was a dive. But also think it was more because it snapped his neck back then because of the temple hit.
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 05:30 AM
A jaw shot shakes the condiles which attaches your chin to your skull and when hit sweet normally knocks you out cold.
A temple shot shakes you brain inside you skull and normally affects you equilibrium and balance before you drop
ranser
12-31-2008, 07:12 AM
i completely agree with u . it was a NOTHING punch. i dont know how he got ktfo
smellmyfinger
12-31-2008, 07:24 AM
Mundine was cometely fatigued and it was the easiest way out for him, he didn't even spar back in those days so he was in completely uncharted waters.
I have been waiting to see how his career panned out to see if this assesment was correct, and after watching him completly waste his talent I believe this to be correct,because in the back of his mind the decision he made that night obviously still haunts him.
People need to remember only a chin shot knocks you out like that a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold.
I hope He proves me wrong next year by defeating a top 5 guy but I think the demons won't let him take the chance.
I agree with this anenigma.
And yes Pecks, he took a dive.
smellmyfinger
12-31-2008, 07:28 AM
Its a huge shame Ottke was too SCARED to fight a rematch. And before anyone says, "why would he, he had nothing to gain", i agree with that, but it still doesnt hide the fact Ottke knew he'd be the one knocked out if they ever forught again.
Mundine cant complain though, he ducked Kessler.
pecks
12-31-2008, 07:34 AM
Well, if Mundine did want out of that fight it'd make more sense and would have been more beneficial for him had he just got on his bicycle and ran for 2 more rounds. It's something he's done before and I dont see why he would have taken a dive in the fashion he did rather than just get on his bike and earn a respectable UD loss.
Well, if Mundine did want out of that fight it'd make more sense and would have been more beneficial for him had he just got on his bicycle and ran for 2 more rounds. It's something he's done before and I dont see why he would have taken a dive in the fashion he did rather than just get on his bike and earn a respectable UD loss.Where you at at what you doing tonight for the new year?
pecks
12-31-2008, 07:46 AM
Where you at at what you doing tonight for the new year?At a friends place but am not doing anything special.
I got sacked last week and am currently on the look out for a new job. If nothing comes up, I'll probably head back home around late Jan or early Feb.
What about yourself?
At a friends place but am not doing anything special.
I got sacked last week and am currently on the look out for a new job. If nothing comes up, I'll probably head back home around late Jan or early Feb.
What about yourself?Im just looking after my niece to let my sister and boyfriend go out and party. I'll probably get to sleep by 4 am only to be woken at 5 :-(
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 08:28 AM
me koing you ....dickhead... [Only registered and activated users can see links]
you and your genius crew were saying....... what?
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Anenigma
12-31-2008, 09:01 AM
me koing you ....dickhead... [Only registered and activated users can see links]
you and your genius crew were saying....... what?
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I am not going to tip into your crap any more imbocile, go away:good
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 09:09 AM
hahahahahaha.....:yep
aaaahhhhahahahahahahahaha.........:rofl
aaaahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........:happy
you are a fucken loser....and a big mouth dumb cunt. ive got you fucked..:deal
i think i'll drop in more often and point it out......:hat
and happy new year....stupid.
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Anenigma
12-31-2008, 09:14 AM
hahahahahaha.....:yep
aaaahhhhahahahahahahahaha.........:rofl
aaaahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........:happy
you are a fucken loser....and a big mouth dumb cunt. ive got you fucked..:deal
i think i'll drop in more often and point it out......:hat
and happy new year....stupid.
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Your posts have such insight into the boxing world I will wait with anticipation, you have nothing to offer this forum it's about boxing not about how much of a wanker you are, climb back under the rock you crawled out of.
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 09:24 AM
twice ive proven you a liar, fraud, and all round dumb cunt.......
im offering you an education....all you have to do is open your mouth and i'll correct you!! youre getting a great deal. stop whinging...
goodnight, cock head...
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Anenigma
12-31-2008, 09:28 AM
twice ive proven you a liar, fraud, and all round dumb cunt.......
im offering you an education....all you have to do is open your mouth and i'll correct you!! youre getting a great deal. stop whinging...
goodnight, cock head...
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The only thing you are giving me an education on is how much of a wanker you are, stop clogging up this forum with your dribble fatboy
Anenigma
12-31-2008, 09:39 AM
I won't be responding to your dribble anymore so go hard and good luck to you .
HairyHighlander
12-31-2008, 11:03 AM
Mundine handled himself well given the experience, very well. Braver than most going there too, maybe they didnt know about Germany. He dived,whether he was tired and gave up, he dived. He wasnt drained regarding energy, check previous rounds. Even had Ottke down i remember and it wasnt classed as a drop.(Germany)
Punch to the head in Mundines case is just as savvy when compared to a chin shot. Either way both arent a savoury i wish to dine on and both have similar results.
A head shot cant spark you ? That is what you are saying ?
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 04:59 PM
yeah. the fool recons a blow to the skull wont ko you, just disorient you.......
noenigma wrote
a temple shot affects your equilibrium and makes you disorientsted but doesn't knock you cold
see thunder vs grimsley....COLD!! ottke vs mundine....COLD! and many others i couldnt be bothered finding for him.
noenigma is just a loud fraud. what pisses me off, is innocents on this forum believe the dribble he writes, thats why i jump on the cunt.
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Anenigma
12-31-2008, 06:02 PM
Sally,
You can come on here and bag me all you want, this forum is about personal opinion and some have more indepth opinions than others.
Your dirty because I hit a nerve with an earlier post which only a few would know about so I think you need to build a bridge and get over it.
I am not going to continually get in a slanging match, I post on here because this is a sport I love so unless you have something constructive to say fuck off!
sallywinder
12-31-2008, 06:18 PM
hit a nerve? lol. do you think im upset that you have a 'parasitic personality' ?
'build a bridge'? what? so you can jump off it? lol
you call this a 'match' ? hahaha RSC, no contest.
'something constructive to say'? well, every time i post, i point out something to you, about you, and even posted the thunder ko FOR you....god damn, im educating you!!!! get a dictionary and look up constructive! man, im building you an education.
you now know more about the oz heavyweight scene, and you have been corrected from your false belief that a skull shot wont ko someone, C.O.L.D!!!
so you better hope i stick around, where else you going to get such an entertaining boxing education..?
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Anenigma
12-31-2008, 07:12 PM
A jaw shot shakes the condiles which attaches your chin to your skull and when hit sweet normally knocks you out cold.
I temple shot shakes you brain inside you skull and normally affects you equilibrium and balance before you drop
This was my original statement, obviously if you get hit on the head with a sledgehammer it's going to knock you out, but this conversation was about the punch Otke hit Mundine with.
seymour cash
12-31-2008, 07:21 PM
All said and dont it dont matter how ottke won, he knock mundines ass out with one.Pointless bickering how both knockouts where fair n square i dont care to compare grimsely and mundines horizontal flatliner with that one punch ass out shiner
ashley
12-31-2008, 09:35 PM
Firstly Mundine did well in a title shot after 10 or 11 fights...he went well and was close to Ottke on the cards.
Mundine looked tired and got KTFO caught side on....look at his head wip to the side.
I have seen quite a few head shots KO's no chin....for me its about the head wip to the side that ko'ed him.
I dont think Mundine took a dive but I guess only he could tell us the truth.
buster007
12-31-2008, 10:00 PM
where are the moderators. yet another thread hijacked with utter shit.
its spoiling to many topics imo.
ashley
12-31-2008, 10:12 PM
where are the moderators. yet another thread hijacked with utter shit.
its spoiling to many topics imo.
Dont let it bother you mate....whats your view on the topic?
buster007
12-31-2008, 10:44 PM
i don't believe mundine took a dive as i just don't think he would go all the way there and quit like that. i also think it must have been the twisting of the neck that was the main factor if it was a fair dinkum ko as i don't believe there was enough power behind the punch to ko him.
ashley
12-31-2008, 10:48 PM
i don't believe mundine took a dive as i just don't think he would go all the way there and quit like that. i also think it must have been the twisting of the neck that was the main factor if it was a fair dinkum ko as i don't believe there was enough power behind the punch to ko him.
Like I said mate I have seen plenty of guys go down and stay down from a good punch...not on the chin....all that it needs is for the neck snap or chin wip and it's KO time.
Its 2009 and we're still talking about this KO :lol::lol::lol:
Sing with me boys "Tis the season to be jolly......" :happy
ashley
12-31-2008, 11:26 PM
Its 2009 and we're still talking about this KO :lol::lol::lol:
Sing with me boys "Tis the season to be jolly......" :happy
Tra la la lalala :yep
flamengo
12-31-2008, 11:59 PM
Was in Bali in '96.... pissing down with rain... a tremendous storm. Tried to run across a tiled floor (pretty pissed) to the bar, slipped.. hit the side of my head on the floor.. Out cold for 5 mins. My mates, staff.. all at the bar thought I was dead. Still have a lagre calcified lump above the left ear, next to temple.
I thought I got up immediately. From that experience, and seeeing the impact of the Ottke punch, I'd suggest Mundine was out of it.
His head turned from the impact of the punch, almost unnaturally. A second impact on the camvas would have increased the initial trauma. Nye Nye Mundine.
This isnt the 1940's... Mundine wouldnt take a dive, especially when the world title belt was nearly his.
HairyHighlander
01-01-2009, 09:12 AM
Was in Bali in '96.... pissing down with rain... a tremendous storm. Tried to run across a tiled floor (pretty pissed) to the bar, slipped.. hit the side of my head on the floor.. Out cold for 5 mins. My mates, staff.. all at the bar thought I was dead. Still have a lagre calcified lump above the left ear, next to temple.
I thought I got up immediately. From that experience, and seeeing the impact of the Ottke punch, I'd suggest Mundine was out of it.
His head turned from the impact of the punch, almost unnaturally. A second impact on the camvas would have increased the initial trauma. Nye Nye Mundine.
This isnt the 1940's... Mundine wouldnt take a dive, especially when the world title belt was nearly his.
True words, my "dive" was probably said more out of anger than truth. It was a good punch certainly. Just felt like he could of gotten up.
Do i really think he just stayed down and gave up? Nah,he did absolutely brilliant considering. Just a bit pissed with the ending.
colinthfc
01-01-2009, 12:21 PM
Mundine is the biggest joke in world boxing. I can imagine telling his grand kids that he was WBA world champion, and hoping they do not ask what a Super Champion is.
riggers
01-01-2009, 04:23 PM
A blow to any part of the head can if delivered wth enough force score a clean ko. The reason the chin is the target and produces more knock outs is quite simple. A ko occurs when the brain hits the inside of the skull. This happens because the skull moves first and stops first after a blow and the brain follows hitting the inside of the skull. Again this is why the head hitting the floor causes ko's ( even though its rarely the chin hitting the floor lol ) as the head stops immediately and the brain does not. Chin shots cause more KOs and the term glass jaw comes about because it amplifies the power, the jaw moves first, then when at maximum extension the head snaps round, lastly the brain is hit off the inside of the skull and begins to move. Then the head stops moving and the brain slams into the other side of the skull and hes out ! The head bouncing off the floor again could do this.
stiflers mum
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM
I dont care how or why it happened I just reckon it was piss funny after he said Ottke hits like a girl :lol:
the beaver
01-01-2009, 08:46 PM
I dont care how or why it happened I just reckon it was piss funny after he said Ottke hits like a girl :lol:
That was the money shot :D
Anenigma
01-01-2009, 09:04 PM
A blow to any part of the head can if delivered wth enough force score a clean ko. The reason the chin is the target and produces more knock outs is quite simple. A ko occurs when the brain hits the inside of the skull. This happens because the skull moves first and stops first after a blow and the brain follows hitting the inside of the skull. Again this is why the head hitting the floor causes ko's ( even though its rarely the chin hitting the floor lol ) as the head stops immediately and the brain does not. Chin shots cause more KOs and the term glass jaw comes about because it amplifies the power, the jaw moves first, then when at maximum extension the head snaps round, lastly the brain is hit off the inside of the skull and begins to move. Then the head stops moving and the brain slams into the other side of the skull and hes out ! The head bouncing off the floor again could do this.
Good post:good
flamengo
01-02-2009, 04:58 AM
A blow to any part of the head can if delivered wth enough force score a clean ko. The reason the chin is the target and produces more knock outs is quite simple. A ko occurs when the brain hits the inside of the skull. This happens because the skull moves first and stops first after a blow and the brain follows hitting the inside of the skull. Again this is why the head hitting the floor causes ko's ( even though its rarely the chin hitting the floor lol ) as the head stops immediately and the brain does not. Chin shots cause more KOs and the term glass jaw comes about because it amplifies the power, the jaw moves first, then when at maximum extension the head snaps round, lastly the brain is hit off the inside of the skull and begins to move. Then the head stops moving and the brain slams into the other side of the skull and hes out ! The head bouncing off the floor again could do this.
One import piece of logic you failed to mention regarding the jaw... The conection between the brain, and the jaw is a large nerve centre. Once this nerve centre is disturbed with a fair impact..... the lights go out. This is not neccessarily due to brain movement in the skull.
riggers
01-02-2009, 06:31 AM
Have you got any links to info on this nerve centre ?
riggers
01-02-2009, 06:37 AM
As far as i am aware the only nerves in the mandible control movement of the jaw. There is no nerve centre there at all, the bodies nerve centre runs through the spinal canal to the brain. But if you have links to something to the contrary i would be interested to read it.
flamengo
01-02-2009, 10:14 PM
As far as i am aware the only nerves in the mandible control movement of the jaw. There is no nerve centre there at all, the bodies nerve centre runs through the spinal canal to the brain. But if you have links to something to the contrary i would be interested to read it.
Riggers, just google 'TMJ temporomandibular Joint' or 'masseteric nerve'... there is a barrage of appropriate reading in referance to the disruptions caused by disturbance of either..
Ray Mitchell also quotes good detail in his book "fight for your life", covering all risks, deaths and injuries related to boxing. I recommend you look this one up also. Some fascinating stories. Cheers.
Pugsley
01-05-2009, 12:42 AM
Mundine is the biggest joke in world boxing. I can imagine telling his grand kids that he was WBA world champion, and hoping they do not ask what a Super Champion is.
*cheers*:happy
Pugsley
01-05-2009, 12:50 AM
Cause infact it only takes a force of 5 pounds at a very specific angle to the jaw to knock someone cold. If you're dead accurate or simply lucky enough to land there, you dont need to hit hard at all.
Marcus
01-05-2009, 12:57 AM
Cause infact it only takes a force of 5 pounds at a very specific angle to the jaw to knock someone cold. If you're dead accurate or simply lucky enough to land there, you dont need to hit hard at all.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Is that with a blunt piece of steel or a wrapped fist with a 10oz glove.
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
buster007
01-05-2009, 01:07 AM
so in conclusion mundine was just having a lie down as he was frightened. lol.
yes?
IrnBruMan
01-05-2009, 01:52 AM
:lol::lol::lol: at suggestions Mundine took a dive :lol:
he was out cold, absolutely fucked, for whatever reason, it was Ottke's superfly temple tap that done struck him wit da ice stick :yep
WAR OTTKE :happy:lol::yep
toppity
01-05-2009, 02:26 AM
it's like Judah's chicken dance after Kostya pollaxed him. I can never get enough of it.
Marcus
01-05-2009, 02:46 AM
id like to see a post fight interview with guy who has been KOed say...
well you know, it only take about 5 lbs in the right place to knock someone out .
and i think he hit me with about 500 lbs in that spot!
ha ha ha
riggers
01-05-2009, 03:01 PM
5psi would not knock anyone out
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Is that with a blunt piece of steel or a wrapped fist with a 10oz glove.
:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch
nah mate, a ping pong ball will do :hi: :tong
cockneyhardman
01-15-2009, 01:01 AM
don't know if anyone has seen this but just for a laugh.....
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Marcus
01-15-2009, 01:04 AM
:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
Classic!!!
sallywinder
01-15-2009, 01:44 AM
what he actually said was, .....it was his hardest ever fight....
like it or not.
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Anenigma
01-15-2009, 03:34 AM
don't know if anyone has seen this but just for a laugh.....
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You are a fuckwit, have a look at Otkes head:admin
Anenigma
01-15-2009, 03:37 AM
what he actually said was, .....it was his hardest ever fight....
like it or not.
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My previous comment has nothing to do with what I think about about you:hi:
NUMB NUTS:happy
cockneyhardman
01-15-2009, 04:55 AM
what he actually said was, .....it was his hardest ever fight....
like it or not.
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maybe he was being sarcastic?
anyway i would rather have seen mundine beat that fake champ ottke
pecks
01-15-2009, 05:51 AM
Reid would have been Ottke's toughest fight. One of the biggest robberies ever that one, imo.
Fact of the matter is, most of Ottke's fights were fairly close ones on the scorecards, and had the KO not came, it would have been another fairly narrow UD win for Ottke.
I'd be very surprised if Ottke thought that Mundine gave him his hardest ever fight. The Reid, Brewer, Mitchell, and Larsen fights were all closer.
Bo Bo Olson
01-18-2009, 05:20 PM
Mundine handled himself well given the experience, very well. Braver than most going there too, maybe they didnt know about Germany. He dived,whether he was tired and gave up, he dived. He wasnt drained regarding energy, check previous rounds. Even had Ottke down i remember and it wasnt classed as a drop.(Germany)
Punch to the head in Mundines case is just as savvy when compared to a chin shot. Either way both arent a savoury i wish to dine on and both have similar results.
A head shot cant spark you ? That is what you are saying ?
Mostly they don't count it as a punch when one uses a Rugby arm tackle that didn't hit him in the body much less the head....in case you haven't noticed they don't count leg sweeps either in boxing.....and he did not give up, he got caught perfect.
A man who was a good rugby player just don't give up...or so I thought having heard for ever how tough and rough it was....maybe it's a pussy sport then...that is what you are saying.
You guys are so full of hate for your land's man, you can't see straight.
Your translation was full of Kangaroo shit.
stuistylee
06-26-2010, 04:16 AM
theres was a great article somewhere round 92 called what gives a punch its crunch(could b wrong as my mags r in storage but it had a pic at the front of the article of jcc have getting cracked(n we all know jcc's ability 2 take a shot)...ill have 2 go dig it out n read it again...wouldnt have seen those mags since round 01/02... forgot 2 add that it was KO mag...
buster007
06-26-2010, 04:39 AM
mundine still got ko'd by somebody who punches like a girl. he said it himself, lol.
oztriker
06-26-2010, 05:12 AM
Actually mate u been knocked out by a chin shot or a temple shot before???????
Big difference.
I've been KO'd by a hit to the temple (Not in the ring)
COULDHAVEBEEN
06-26-2010, 05:14 AM
I've been KO'd by a hit to the temple (Not in the ring)
Same mate - cricket ball - lights out!
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