fighter/weight/ of the most unbeatable fighter of all time...

[Illmatic]

id have to say either:

Muhammad Ali pre-prison or
SRR at welterweight

[RDJ]

Jones at 168 indeed.

[Caper]

SRR at WW
Duran at lightweight
Gomez at 122lbs
Holyfeild at Crusier
RJJ at Super middle
Sal Sanchez at 126

[Caper]

Gomez at 122 was one I was thinking about. But about Holyfield, do you not think guys like Charles, Tunney, or Spinks were capable of beating him had they fought there? They fought between 175 and HW because there was no CW(cept for Spinks), but would you say he beats them? And c'mon, Sanchez at 126? I love him too, but c'mon. Also Duran is obviously not unbeatable at LW.

Well Duran was beatable yes but he avenged his losses at that weight class and went on a tear for a while in and around that weight class. Evander was able to hold titles at HW and showed an iron chin....Charles and Tunney where better skill wise but I think Evander would last in a war of attrition. Sanchez well he died in his prime he had all the tools to stay undefeated at 126lbs.

[yesihavearm]

RJJ at SMW ? 1 Good win makes him unbeatable ? RJJ at LHW was much better.

[Pimp C]

id have to say either:

Muhammad Ali pre-prison or
SRR at welterweight
RJJ at 160 or 168 was a boxing god at those weights and IMO would beat anyone in boxing P4P there. The man had power in both hands and could almost KO at will, nobody in history touches him there.

[Lacyace]

Jones at 168 indeed.

Yup. No man in history is beating RJJ at 168.

[Lostmykeys]

There are enough guys i would pick to beat him. Monzon, Robinson at mw, Charles, Langford at smw. Jones was great but he was also an underachiever and never really tested. These guys were much more experienced against top-level competition than Jones. That would make a difference.

Robinson at MW beats RJJ that's ridiculous.

[Stewbear]

Jones is far from unbeatable at any weight, though 168 has always been weak.

Duran at 135
Monzon at 160
Arguello below 135

[Drofrah]

Roy Jones Jr at 168 and Sugar Ray Robinson at 147, close between them two

[Mike T]

Evander at cruiser
Hearns at 154

[Jinx]

Jones at 168 would not have been beaten by Toney, Eubank, McCllelan, Benn, Nunn, Calzaghe, or anyone at that weight...

and Ricardo Lopez proved to be unbeatable at his weight...

[McGrain]

Louis as pre-war heavyweight champ would be pretty close.

Langford at about 168 would be my other pick, sounds like he was breaking backs.

[McGrain]

Evander at cruiser



Great shout.

[McGrain]

Yup. No man in history is beating RJJ at 168.

I'd pick Greb, Langford and possibly Robinson to beat him.

50/50's abound, i would bet, Conn, Lloyd Marshall, Moore, Charles, Toney spring to mind straight away.

[Pimp C]

Jones at 168 would not have been beaten by Toney, Eubank, McCllelan, Benn, Nunn, Calzaghe, or anyone at that weight...

and Ricardo Lopez proved to be unbeatable at his weight...
I agree about Ricardo "El Finito" Lopez IMO he's probably the most underrated fighter of the last 20 years.

[McGrain]

Fitz at 167 :D

:scaredas:

[ripcity]

Benny Leonard at lightweight

[BITCH ASS]

RJJ at 160 or 168 was a boxing god at those weights and IMO would beat anyone in boxing P4P there. The man had power in both hands and could almost KO at will, nobody in history touches him there.

He was beatable at 160.

[BITCH ASS]

I can see Greb beating him at 168. Moore and Charles weren't at their best at MW, and I see Jones beating Moore anyways. At 175 I might pick Charles to beat him, but probably not 168. Langford I'm not sure about, he was one I mentioned. Definitely not LaMotta, are you kidding?

Lamotta beat SRR, but you wouldn't give him a chance against Jones?

Are you kidding?

[Mike T]

How about Mosley at lightweight. A fight against Duran would've been a war.

[PowerPuncher]

Some possibles

Mayweather at 130
SRR at 147
Whitaker at 135
RJJ at 168
Hearns at 154

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe and Jones at 168, if one or the other had never existed.

[Toopretty]

Some possibles

Mayweather at 130
SRR at 147
Whitaker at 135
RJJ at 168
Hearns at 154

Yeah, all were dominant fighters at those respected weights. :good

[tampa]

tyson at his weight. spinks fight

[Alo2006]

RJ @ 168
Holyfield @ Cruiser
Mayweather @ 130

[brooklyn1550]

Sugar Ray Robinson @ 135
Roy Jones, Jr. @ 168
Ricardo Lopez @ 108

[hitman_hatton1]

roy jones at middle.

floyd mayweather at super feather.

pernell whitaker at lightweight (dumb judges excluded :lol:).

ricky hatton at light welter. :yep

[paulfv]

Vitali Klitschko - 245+


Unless he gets injured, not only is he going to beat you, he's almost certainly going to knock you out (92% KO percentage in 37 fights).

Record: 35-2 (34)

2 losses were due to injuries. Led on all cards when the two fights were stopped due to injury

1 non-KO win was a wide UD against Timo Hoffman, a fighter who was never stopped in his career.


Based on his record, if you're an opponent of VK's:

- You have a 0% chance of stopping VK, as well as a 0% chance of knocking him down. If you're lucky - very lucky - you might stun him. Once. Corrie Sanders stunned him maybe twice, possibly three times.

- You have a 5% chance of having the fight stopped because of VK's getting injured.

- You have a 92% chance of getting KO'd

- You have a 95% chance of losing

- Unless VK gets injured, you have a 100% chance of losing.


Most dominant ever. Nobody ever just systematically destroyed people like Vitali. Not Foreman, not Shavers, no one. At least not with the big boys.

If I wanted to see a KO, and I had to pick one guy to produce a KO, I'd pay $$ to see Vitali fight, because the record says he's putting someone down and out.


And McCline? He's next.

[hitman_hatton1]

Vitali Klitschko - 245+


Unless he gets injured, not only is he going to beat you, he's almost certainly going to knock you out (92% KO percentage in 37 fights).

Record: 35-2 (34)

2 losses were due to injuries. Led on all cards when the two fights were stopped due to injury

1 non-KO win was a wide UD against Timo Hoffman, a fighter who was never stopped in his career.


Based on his record, if you're an opponent of VK's:

- You have a 0% chance of stopping VK, as well as a 0% chance of knocking him down. If you're lucky - very lucky - you might stun him. Once. Corrie Sanders stunned him maybe twice, possibly three times.

- You have a 5% chance of having the fight stopped because of VK's getting injured.

- You have a 92% chance of getting KO'd

- You have a 95% chance of losing

- Unless VK gets injured, you have a 100% chance of losing.


Most dominant ever. Nobody ever just systematically destroyed people like Vitali. Not Foreman, not Shavers, no one. At least not with the big boys.

If I wanted to see a KO, and I had to pick one guy to produce a KO, I'd pay $$ to see Vitali fight, because the record says he's putting someone down and out.


And McCline? He's next.

yeah good call on klitschko.

very difficult man to beat. :good

[paulfv]

yeah good call on klitschko.

very difficult man to beat. :good

Thanks, mate! :)

[hitman_hatton1]

Thanks, mate! :)

he's kicking some ass when he comes back. :yep

the man is a destroyer with that set u up left and hammering right hander. :bbb

[Fab2333]

You didn´t really read what i wrote. I said that Jones was past his prime against Johnson but it still showed that Jones had a problem when pressured. And LaMotta would pressure him and take him into really deep water. Where Jones never was. We don´t know how he would react. What gives us some evidence the first fight with Griffin, the first Tarver fight and the Johnson fight. Sure he was past his prime against Tarver and Johnson but that doesn´t mean anything when it goes about how he reacts when really challenged.

Don´t get me wrong, Jones looked great in his fights but he wasn´t unbeatable.

Jones didnt have a problem with pressure at all. Johnson was not the 1st one ever to try and bulluy roy. Watch the bryant brannon fight. RJ vs. Bryant Brannon, he came out the gate pressuring RJ and got knocked out. I think RJ was just past his prime and he got beat period. At 168 RJ starches anyone. Hell at 160 I dont see anyone beating him as well. TOO much speed and power agility, evrything RJ had it all

[paulfv]

he's kicking some ass when he comes back. :yep

the man is a destroyer with that set u up left and hammering right hander. :bbb


Totally agree. He is going to whip some @ss, and the lucky thing for him is, probably the 'toughest' fight out there is Peter. HA HA! He will send Peter (if they fight) to Mike Tyson's "Bolivion."

I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Valuev. That'd be weird. :)

[Bigcat]

I do think that Holyfield would have taken something special to take him out of reign at Cruiserweight..

[psychopath]

id have to say either:

Muhammad Ali pre-prison or
SRR at welterweight

I'm with Ali . . . SRL lost to Duran at welter . . . right? :think

[McGrain]

I'm with Ali . . . SRL lost to Duran at welter . . . right? :think


Yessir.

[Grabonator]

Tyson before he left Rooney.

[bigG]

liston at his peak.......hell, lewis.....the guy beat every fighter he ever faced.....eventually...thats a pretty good fuckin legacy....and i dont even like him..

[Irish Steel]

Greb at mw

calzaghe at smw

[Guru_Too_You]

Armstrong at 122, hands down.

[Fab2333]

He didn't have to dig deep or even have a chance to in Tarver II, that's a ridiculous comparison. He did, however, dig deep in Tarver I when he was clearly faded and gassed for the first time in his career and wasn't able to do what he once did. He pulled that one out on guts and experience. Johnson would've gotten starched in his prime just like Tarver would've. LaMotta cannot beat him, it's a matter of styles, too slow.:deal:thumbsup

[Fab2333]

Yeah and Brannon is on the leauge of Johnson or even LaMotta .... Jones is totally untested against the absolute elite, you don´t know how he would react when he has to dig deep but there is some evidence that he has problems with it, Griffin I, Tarver II, Johnson.

Griffin 1m griffin was giving him problems at 1st, but eventually RJ found him and knocked him down. be4 he DQ'd himself. But IMO if Griffin would have gotten back up, he would have got knocked out n e way. Tarver II, it was 2 short to tell what was going to happen, But if I went off of the 1st round alone, he was keeping Tarver in the center of the ring, and he was hittin tarver with a lot of counte shots quite easily. RJ still had his confidence and he seemed to be in better shape in that fight, so i think RJ would have went the distance and eventually earned another UD. only johson i will give you, but again, if RJ in his prime, or pre knockout, he would have wooped johnson as well

[Shareef]

I don't think he has anywhere near the speed to deal with Jones movement if he couldn't deal with Robinson's. I think Jones gives him a beating similar to the ones Robinson gave him before. Jones had greater power at 168 than Robinson did at 160 as well. Jones gives him a beating, LaMotta was simply not skilled enough, even if he did have the pressure. By the way, Jones in his prime would've dealt with Johnson the same way he did Brannon, though not quite as bad.

I myself would favour Jones over Lamotta but i don't think he would give Lamotta the beating Robinson gave him. Simply because Jones would most likely cruise to a safe decision he wouldn't open up as much as Robison. Robinson opened up and took more chances than Roy. Jones had lots of power no doubt but he wouldn't open up plant his feet and throw shots 100% power against Lamotta. He would most likely just pot shot throw some flashy combos and win a wide UD. However Jones is not unbeatable at 168 he has to be rated in my opinion as the best 168 lb fighter ever but i don't see him being unbeatable. I can conceive fighters defeating such as McClellan, Hagler if he gained a few lbs, and James Toney at his best. Jones has to be favoured over Toney but everyone knows that Toney wasn't at his best for that fight he was severly weight drained and weakened. It is clear to any rational observer that is not the Toney that was thought of so highly. Also Jones performance is overrated he ran around and threw some pitty pat shots no doubt he won a wide ud but it was far from an ass kicking. I don't qualify running around throwing pitty pat as ass whooping. Anyhow a peak 100% Toney has a fair shot at timing and catching Jones as he jumps in and out with his unorthadox ways.

[Illmatic]

Yeah, except he never fought there. In fact, they didn't even have the 122 division when he was around.

In that case...Tyson at 147