Toughest Ever Pro Debut

[bronze_bandit]

Was jus thinkin with our Olympians steppin up to pro level, which fighter can you think of stepped straight into their pro debut against tough opposition??

For example in his debut Rafael Marquez got KO'd in 8 by an former bantam champ in Victor Rabanales (after he fought McCullough)

Pete Rademacher of course fought for the heavyweight championship in his pro debut after winning gold at the olympics...

Anyone got anymore ? :bbb

[brown bomber]

Dick Banner.

[bronze_bandit]

who ?

[brown bomber]

who ?

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[brown bomber]

Riddick Bowe beat Lionel Butler on his pro debut. Butler nearly secured a title shot and wouldhave been the best US Heavy in the world if he were operating today.

Actually no prob not but he was capable.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I heard Sugar Ray Lenoard fought a bloke on his pro debut..........and that bloke nailed him and buckled his knees

Lenoard weathered the moment and came through on points

It really is shit when you have fighters like Khan etc, saying their gonna be the best in the world etc, and their first 15 opponets are just so hopelessly outclassed its a waste of time

Khan etc are phoney

the likes of Ray lenoard were old school........they were thrown in against anyone and they were good enough to come through

[FLINT ISLAND]

David Haye had a ok pro debut

Veteran Tony Booth he fought

Booth wa the jounrenyman who exposed the hype job Omar Sheika

[HairyHighlander]

I heard Sugar Ray Lenoard fought a bloke on his pro debut..........and that bloke nailed him and buckled his knees

Lenoard weathered the moment and came through on points

It really is shit when you have fighters like Khan etc, saying their gonna be the best in the world etc, and their first 15 opponets are just so hopelessly outclassed its a waste of time

Khan etc are phoney

the likes of Ray lenoard were old school........they were thrown in against anyone and they were good enough to come through


Lol he aint phoney BINT,he just fighting who is put in front of him. Sure some get easier rides than others, as you know THATS the GAME aint it :good

[HairyHighlander]

Good thread though :good

[bronze_bandit]

Dick Banner.

now thats one tough pro debut...seeing has he never fought again that musta been one serious whuppin!!? :lol:

[GazOC]

Rademacher is the obvious one but theres also been a few Thai boxers who have made debuts at a very high standard after crossing over from Muai Thai.

[ishy]

Rademacher is the obvious one but theres also been a few Thai boxers who have made debuts at a very high standard after crossing over from Muai Thai.

Faced Floyd Patterson for the World HW title on his pro debut then faced Zora Folley in his 2nd fight.

Looking at his record, he faced a lot of good fighters in a short career. fighters. In 23 fights he faced Patterson, Folley, Chuvalo, Moore, Mildenberger, Terrell and Doug Jones

[bronze_bandit]

David Haye had a ok pro debut

Veteran Tony Booth he fought

Booth wa the jounrenyman who exposed the hype job Omar Sheika


Yeah i remember at the time thinkin, this lad must think he's pretty handy...
but then again Haye had a good pedigree behind him

The guy who beat Bernard Hopkins on his debut just seemed to fizzle out, jus shows you the different paths boxers can take during the early parts of their careers...

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah.....

When a Thai boxer seems to lose a world title fight he gets put in with a debutant - a body to warm up on.

Look at Choi's 3rd or 4th fight - some opponent.

[Mookhound]

Lennox had, I think, a former British champ. need to boxrec it, though

[ishy]

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[GazOC]

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I can beat that, but I can't remember the little fuckers name!!:patsch

[northend]

Oleg Maskaev fought a guy who was 21-0 in his debut.

[brown bomber]

Check out veraphool sapharom number 2 in the world after 3 fights

[GazOC]

Check out veraphool sapharom number 2 in the world after 3 fights

There is a guy who won a WBC/WBA world title in his third fight but I can't bring him to mind.

[DarkDestroyer83]

A bloke called Ramon Aramburu fought a peak Julio Cesar Chavez on his pro debut in '89

:scaredas:

[ishy]

Check out veraphool sapharom number 2 in the world after 3 fights

Yeah, the guy who's record I posted the link to above.:good

[ishy]

There is a guy who won a WBC/WBA world title in his third fight but I can't bring him to mind.

Out of the midget divisions?

[GazOC]

A bloke called Ramon Aramburu fought a peak Julio Cesar Chavez on his pro debut in '89

:scaredas:

When boxrec has no other info on a fighter it usually means it was someone fighting under another name or just a staged fight to give the 'name' opponent work/ money. It very rarely means that the guy was a genuine debutant.

[DarkDestroyer83]

When boxrec has no other info on a fighter it usually means it was someone fighting under another name or just a staged fight to give the 'name' opponent work/ money. It very rarely means that the guy was a genuine debutant.

True and to be honest anyone making their pro debut against somebody as seasoned as Chavez in his prime would have had to be a complete loon:lol:

[GazOC]

Heres one that looks like it might be a genuine pro debut world title shot. I've checked on Google and apparently its legit.

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[Nemesis]

There is a guy who won a WBC/WBA world title in his third fight but I can't bring him to mind.Fenech?

[GazOC]

Out of the midget divisions?

No at 140!!!

Saensak Muangsurin...:good


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[ishy]

No at 140!!!

Saensak Muangsurin...:good


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:lol::good

[GazOC]

Veeraphol Sahaprom

Won the WBA bantam title in his fourth fight and debuted in an International title fight.

[GPater11093]

pinky mitchell the first ever light welter weight challenger.

His manager had claimed he had 40 fights or something but he realy was making his pro debut against mushy callahan and got battered and lost.

callaghna made a defence of his title but was beat in his second defence

[GazOC]

pinky mitchell the first ever light welter weight challenger.

His manager had claimed he had 40 fights or something but he realy was making his pro debut against mushy callahan and got battered and lost.

callaghna made a defence of his title but was beat in his second defence

I might well be wrong but I don't think thats correct mate......

[GazOC]

I just checked, Mitchell had people like Lew Tendler, Jack Britton, Joe Dundee and Benny Leonard on his record before he beat Callaghan. No way can also those type of guys be fictional opponents.

[GPater11093]

I might well be wrong but I don't think thats correct mate......

i am wrong oops

there definitly was a division where the first fighter to co challenge for the title was a debutant

ill look it up i just got it in my head it was piky mitchell

sorry lads

[ICTChris]

Lennox had, I think, a former British champ. need to boxrec it, though

Lennox fought Al Malcolm who, according to boxrec, wasn't a former British champ but was the reigning Midlands area heavyweight champ at the time of the fight.

Decent debut. Who was the Midlands Area champ when Audley turned pro?

[janitor]

Art Oliver fought his pro debut against Buddy Baer.

Buddy was Max Baers brother and still holds the record for the most first round knockouts behind only Jack Dempsey. He knocked Joe Louis out of the ring and gave him a tough fight.

[TBooze]

A lot of the Thais who fight top level opposition early, are experienced Muay Thai fighters....

But going back to the Western world, I believe Bonecrusher fought and lost to future contender and then top class amateur James Broad on debut before beating future alphabet cruiser titlist Ricky Parkey in fight two.


Jones Jr was fighting fringe contenders by fight three.

Michael Carbajal debuted against Will Grigsby.

[TBooze]

Ginger Ward may of made his debut against then 452 fight veteran Len Wickwar......

[hit me HARDER]

Can't believe no-one's mentioned Drago.

[Flea Man]

Choi has been brought up hard, as has Al Hamidi. Matched well he could be a decent domestic fighter, but he's fought a lot of decent prospects from the get-go (and deserved a win over John Murray if you believe the reports, never saw the fight myself)

[brown bomber]

Amir Khan fought...... on no never mind....

[PaddyD1983]

Pedro Mendoza;

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[PaddyD1983]

Archie Moore fought a few debutants too.

Classic posters might have more of an idea though on this subject.

[brown bomber]

Archie Moore fought a few debutants too.

Classic posters might have more of an idea though on this subject.
TBH I think its a case of incomplete boxrec records. :good

[brown bomber]

Can't believe Charlie Zelenoff hasn't got one vote?

[Beeston Brawler]

Pedro Mendoza;

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:yikes

I'm sure he enjoyed that.

[PaddyD1983]

:yikes

I'm sure he enjoyed that.

I know. It's not like Duran was green at the time either... 50-1. Who thought that would be a good idea? I reckon Roberto was licking his lips on the way into the ring for that one.

[Beeston Brawler]

Not sure......

If I was 50-1 and facing a debutant, I would be a bit gunshy to be honest.

[robpalmer135]

michael katsidis pro debut was 12 rounds for the austrailian lightweight title.

[daz52]

michael katsidis pro debut was 12 rounds for the austrailian lightweight title.

2nd fight actually still very hard

[PaddyD1983]

Not sure......

If I was 50-1 and facing a debutant, I would be a bit gunshy to be honest.

Not me, I'd be as trigger happy as Dick Cheney. If they're soft enough to get in the ring then more fool them...

:bbb

[dwilson]

Great thread and some good guys.

[konaman]

Dick Banner.
:yikes

Props to him for making it to the 2nd round.

[faisal]

i think gamboa fought a middleweight journeyman and tko'd him early during his pro debut

[Championship]

Oleg Maskaev as someone already said. Also I think Jermain Taylor had a guy with a good record and maybe David Reid, Solis, Gamboa, de la Hoya (first few fights at least, maybe not the debut) too maybe - all fought guys with winning records at least.

[GPater11093]

i think sam solimans first 2 fights were 12 rounders

[Bunce]

I think that Azumah Nelson fought 10 or more rounds for a title in his first, second or third fight.
Michael Carruth, Ryan Rhodes and Darren Dyer were all dropped in their televised and high-profile debuts.

Adios.

[Beeston Brawler]

Ricardo Mayorga seems to have been fighting 10 rounders from the word go....

Though the standard of opposition might be questionable.

Now GBP's resident whipping boy!

[TBooze]

I think that Azumah Nelson fought 10 or more rounds for a title in his first, second or third fight.
Michael Carruth, Ryan Rhodes and Darren Dyer were all dropped in their televised and high-profile debuts.

Adios.

Curruth within 30 seconds, if memory serves me right.