Boxing World Cup Was A Set Up !!!

[freddy-wak]

please guys, i'm happy the flips are getting known and all but comparing them to mexico :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....mexico has decades of blood sweat and tears buried in boxing history...from randy suico to boom boom bautista, everybody was supposed to be the next manny pacquiao and look what happened to them and WHO HAS STOPPED THEM...

what people dont understand is that fighters like manny can't be made or brought along every 5 years....PLEASEEEE !!!!

how many champs have we had in mexico since chavez's prime about 15 years ago that have failed to even be compared to the great JC SUPERSTAR....and this is a country where boxing is like 2nd nature...most kids in mex learn how to fight before they learn how to read.....

i'm not trying to rain on your guys' parade or nothing, but really man...you guys are flooding forums with all this nonsense and the minute somebody goes to the wakkk ass website pacland, everybody gets banned.....

we welcome you to the sport of boxing and we obviously see another rivalry gearing up (we're tired of kicking rican booty), which is good cause flips got alot of heart...but come on people, lets be realistic about it and let fighters become what they are meant to be, not what you want them to be......

[Kostya Zoo]

wow you're really upset over this thing

[PH|LLA]

please guys, i'm happy the flips are getting known and all but comparing them to mexico :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....mexico has decades of blood sweat and tears buried in boxing history...from randy suico to boom boom bautista, everybody was supposed to be the next manny pacquiao and look what happened to them and WHO HAS STOPPED THEM...

what people dont understand is that fighters like manny can't be made or brought along every 5 years....PLEASEEEE !!!!

how many champs have we had in mexico since chavez's prime about 15 years ago that have failed to even be compared to the great JC SUPERSTAR....and this is a country where boxing is like 2nd nature...most kids in mex learn how to fight before they learn how to read.....

i'm not trying to rain on your guys' parade or nothing, but really man...you guys are flooding forums with all this nonsense and the minute somebody goes to the wakkk ass website pacland, everybody gets banned.....

we welcome you to the sport of boxing and we obviously see another rivalry gearing up (we're tired of kicking rican booty), which is good cause flips got alot of heart...but come on people, lets be realistic about it and let fighters become what they are meant to be, not what you want them to be......
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[freddy-wak]

wow you're really upset over this thing

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....

[freddy-wak]

1. How to mow the lawn
2. How to box
3. How to have kids

fix'd for truth :lol:

[bulakenyo]

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....


What was your nick in PacLand? Why were you banned, what did you say?

PacLand was my first internet forum and that place is like the Wild, wlid west. People there are genuinely nice, even to Mexicans, their just a bit over the top when they post.

Filipinos respect MexBoxers, PRican boxers. Sometimes when english is your 2nd language, things get lost in translation and you tend to sound cocky and boastful instead of just full excitement and pride.

Dont take it personal. Were not all blind nuthuggers there. Guys there are sometimes starting to not like PAcquiao's actuations.

[freddy-wak]

What was your nick in PacLand? Why were you banned, what did you say?

PacLand was my first internet forum and that place is like the Wild, wlid west. People there are genuinely nice, even to Mexicans, their just a bit over the top when they post.

Filipinos respect MexBoxers, PRican boxers. Sometimes when english is your 2nd language, things get lost in translation and you tend to sound cocky and boastful instead of just full excitement and pride.

Dont take it personal. Were not all blind nuthuggers there. Guys there are sometimes starting to not like PAcquiao's actuations.

i got banned twice with 2 different user names and then they finally banned my ip.....i was just adding to some of their threads, nothing more nothing less...giving my opinion on the suico vs jauregui fight and the pacquiao vs morales fight.......

[bulakenyo]

Yeah, sometimes the mods are uneven there. Some guys get caught and get banned, but some who say worse stuff dont get caught. Its not really because youre mexican thats why you got banned.

[Spitfire7]

Nice thread title...We've got another Conspiracy theorist.:patsch

(Ain't long for me to see this one coming...):-(

[Spitfire7]

Last time he did one didn't the Mexicans go undefeated?

Mexies won against the Thais with the same 5-1 slate in AZ...

[freddy-wak]

What do you mean by "We". Who are the "We" you are referring to in ESB. By "We", are you saying that you own this site? :huh

I was banned there, too, just as I was banned in ESB, albeit, temporarily. So, what's your problem? Being banned is normal in any sites. You probably did something that violated the rules of posting in Pacland. They don't ban you for being Mexican.

WE as us mexican boxing fans.....and no i wasn't banned for any other reason than my opinion....i said jauregui would kick suico's ass and he did....i said morales would kick manny's ass and he did.....and even though i'm kind of a hot headed poster at times, i really kept my cool cause i wanted to find out about more up and coming prospects..

[freddy-wak]

Uh???? Come again????

Anyways why you hating on the Flips, so what if they want part of the spotlight??? It doesnt hurt the sport one bit papa, let them be....It seems like Mexicans want all the attention for themselfs.....Same chit with that Soccer chit they play in Mexico, cant play for chit but yet they claimed they are the best in the world. Get the fxck out of here!!!!!!!

I hope Oscar does more World Cups like that more often.......

who the fuck is hating the flips...if you re-read my thread i stated that i'm kind of glad we have a new rivalry, it makes even friday night fights on telefutura alot more exciting.....

[Spitfire7]

i got banned twice with 2 different user names and then they finally banned my ip.....i was just adding to some of their threads, nothing more nothing less...giving my opinion on the suico vs jauregui fight and the pacquiao vs morales fight.......

That Pacland site is interesting but had the SS and the Gestapo for mods...:fire:-(

[bulakenyo]

PacLand is kinda like balut and pork blood stew. If youre not Pinoy, you aint gonna like it at all, unless you learn to like it. An acquired taste.

If you meet almost all of the posters there, you'd say theyre the nicest, friendliest guy youve met. The keyboard just does something to you, its brings out your bottled up aggressions. Like road rage.

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

Quit being so bitter. If it were 5-1 Mexico you would be talking shit all over this forum. Look at you talking about Suico-Jauregui like it was a huge event for Filipinos. No one was touting Suico as the next Pacquiao, especially after he previously lost to Mzonke Fana in a lower weight class. Now you're holding onto that win and the DeLeon wins for dear life.

Look, there's nothing wrong with being biased because this is a forum and you can have your own opinions. But seriously, downgrading the Filipinos' win only AFTER the cup, even when at least 3 Mexicans were favored (De Leon, Gonzalez, Roman), means you just can't take a loss like a man. When Morales beat Pacquiao the first time, fair and square might I add, I was one of the first on the forum to congratulate the Mexican fans. But when Erik lost the second time, all I heard was "He's SHOT, he can't make weight, bla bla bla."

There was NO CONTROVERSY in any of the decisions on Saturday. Now does this mean that the Philippines is the best boxing country in the world? No. But did it prove that the Philippines is coming up and gaining on some of the world powers? Absolutely. The fact is that you lost Freddy. Accept it and move on.

[freddy-wak]

Quit being so bitter. If it were 5-1 Mexico you would be talking shit all over this forum. Look at you talking about Suico-Jauregui like it was a huge event for Filipinos. No one was touting Suico as the next Pacquiao, especially after he previously lost to Mzonke Fana in a lower weight class. Now you're holding onto that win and the DeLeon wins for dear life.

Look, there's nothing wrong with being biased because this is a forum and you can have your own opinions. But seriously, downgrading the Filipinos' win only AFTER the cup, even when at least 3 Mexicans were favored (De Leon, Gonzalez, Roman), means you just can't take a loss like a man. When Morales beat Pacquiao the first time, fair and square might I add, I was one of the first on the forum to congratulate the Mexican fans. But when Erik lost the second time, all I heard was "He's SHOT, he can't make weight, bla bla bla."

There was NO CONTROVERSY in any of the decisions on Saturday. Now does this mean that the Philippines is the best boxing country in the world? No. But did it prove that the Philippines is coming up and gaining on some of the world powers? Absolutely. The fact is that you lost Freddy. Accept it and move on.

shut your face homie...
i was asked about 04985092820943 times on here how i felt about this world cup and the one before...I NEVER GAVE A FUCK was my answer...except for once when i laughed at somebodies predictions...but it was all in fun...

anybody who knows me on here knows that i take all losses like a man, and if there's a bet involved, people get their money or merchandise quick.......

i was probably the first mexican on the west coast to take interest in manny, and hatton, and cotto and jermain taylor etc etc....i took on mexican fans head on that were calling me a traitor and a fake mexican :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: cause i love the sport and i hate the kind of fans who think evolution cant make other great fighters besides mexicans.....

i aint bitter about shit, jhonny to me was always a good telefutura fighter who can crack.....the only fight that i was interested in was ponce, he won and you dont see me making threads about boom boom degrading him in any way....except for the ones that called him the next pacquiao, i just thought that was funny.......

so please, miss me with all this world cup talk.....

[freddy-wak]

Do we owe you anything for "welcoming" us? Again, is ESB owned my Mexican boxing fans? No offense meant... just asking. :smoke But I agree w/ you, Pacland is so strict compared to ESB liberal treament of its posters.

in reality you dont owe anybody shit....i'm just speaking as one boxing fan to another that likes to post on this boxing site....mutual respect would be good, but like i said..you dont owe anybody shit

[Boom_Boom]

i got banned twice with 2 different user names and then they finally banned my ip.....i was just adding to some of their threads, nothing more nothing less...giving my opinion on the suico vs jauregui fight and the pacquiao vs morales fight.......

Pacland is a joke i dont know why you went their anyways 75% of all their threads is just PBF vs Pacman threads....










.....I got banned there too awhile back for bashing some guys for abandoning Viloria, i think one of them was a mod, oh well

[freddy-wak]

So we don't need to be welcomed by anyone then. :good

if not for the heart of a mexican fighter, you guys would of tried to make your names with american or euro fighters.....do you really see a name for yourself there......ask gerry penalosa that :deal

[freddy-wak]

Pacland is a joke i dont know why you went their anyways 75% of all their threads is just PBF vs Pacman threads....










.....I got banned there too awhile back for bashing the Pinoys for abandoning Viloria

exactly man, some respect would've been nice...like i said before...but if these dudes wanna sidetrack me with other arguements, i aint gonna stay quiet.....

[bulakenyo]

i was probably the first mexican on the west coast to take interest in manny, and hatton, and cotto and jermain taylor etc etc....i took on mexican fans head on that were calling me a traitor and a fake mexican :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: cause i love the sport and i hate the kind of fans who think evolution cant make other great fighters besides mexicans.....


Cmon guys, were all amigos here. Lets cut the trash out.

Freddy, Jermain Taylor? :think

His physical attributes and raw talent is impressive but he dont do enough with it.

Kinda reminds me of the Laker's Lamar Odom. He's got all the physical build, athleticism and the potential to be as good or better than Scottie Pippen. For whatever reason, he cant get it all together.

[freddy-wak]

Cmon guys, were all amigos here. Lets cut the trash out.

Freddy, Jermain Taylor? :think

His physical attributes and raw talent is impressive but he dont do enough with it.

Kinda reminds me of the Laker's Lamar Odom. He's got all the physical build, athleticism and the potential to be as good or better than Scottie Pippen. For whatever reason, he cant get it all together.

thats the thing, i've been a solid fan of manny's, taylors and cotto's since wayyyyyyyyyy back..even hatton's

when taylor first started he was amazing to watch...i dont think he has slacked off that much...i mean, who looks good against spinx, bhop or winky....i stand behind my fighters no matter what, i was just saying that being mexican is hard in southern cali when your a REAL BOXING FAN...so for these fools to call me bitter is fucken stupid....

[bulakenyo]

thats the thing, i've been a solid fan of manny's, taylors and cotto's since wayyyyyyyyyy back..even hatton's

when taylor first started he was amazing to watch...i dont think he has slacked off that much...i mean, who looks good against spinx, bhop or winky....i stand behind my fighters no matter what, i was just saying that being mexican is hard in southern cali when your a REAL BOXING FAN...so for these fools to call me bitter is fucken stupid....

Filipinos have this habit of trying to ruffle feathers just for fun. We love to see people who we debate with get pissed off and get riled up. Its fun for us. We call it "ASAR TALO" meaning the first one to get upset, loses.

The other pinoys here just wanna see you get pissed off. Its nothing serious to them, theyre just playing.

[freddy-wak]

Filipinos have this habit of trying to ruffle feathers just for fun. We love to see people who we debate with get pissed off and get riled up. Its fun for us. We call it "ASAR TALO" meaning the first one to get upset, loses.

The other pinoys here just wanna see you get pissed off. Its nothing serious to them, theyre just playing.

ahh man, we can clown their ears off...but we chose to welcome them cause we know how boxing can get when your talking about your own people....but if thats what they really want...all they had to do was ask....

cause really, flips wouldn't be shit without old mexicans to beat up :deal :deal

[bulakenyo]

Dont start, man. I can smell them coming any minute now.

[freddy-wak]

Dont start, man. I can smell them coming any minute now.

let'em...like i said, if thats the kind of relationship they want from me, then all they had to do was ask....

[bulakenyo]

Gotta go now, pards. Its 2:40am here in the Philippines and Im going to work in about 5 hours. Nice talking with you guys.

[Spitfire7]

.....I got banned there too awhile back for bashing some guys for abandoning Viloria, i think one of them was a mod, oh well

I've got a petty misunderstanding with a 5yr old cretin who happened to be a mod there too...:yep :lol:

[Luzon]

please guys, i'm happy the flips are getting known and all but comparing history...from randy suico to boom boom bautista, everybody was supposed to be the next them to mexico :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....mexico has decades of blood sweat and tears buried in boxing manny pacquiao and look what happened to them and WHO HAS STOPPED THEM...

what people dont understand is that fighters like manny can't be made or brought along every 5 years....PLEASEEEE !!!!

how many champs have we had in mexico since chavez's prime about 15 years ago that have failed to even be compared to the great JC SUPERSTAR....and this is a country where boxing is like 2nd nature...most kids in mex learn how to fight before they learn how to read.....

i'm not trying to rain on your guys' parade or nothing, but really man...you guys are flooding forums with all this nonsense and the minute somebody goes to the wakkk ass website pacland, everybody gets banned.....

we welcome you to the sport of boxing and we obviously see another rivalry gearing up (we're tired of kicking rican booty), which is good cause flips got alot of heart...but come on people, lets be realistic about it and let fighters become what they are meant to be, not what you want them to be......


Dude get it through your skull. Philippines is ONLY JUST GETTING ITS SHOT. The Philippines has actually had a longer history in the sport. We had a World Champ before Mexico in Pacho Villa and during the era when Filipino Ceferino Garcia was middleweight champ, your best and most famous boxer was the not so great Kid Azteca. I can name you more Pinoys who were champs pre 1940's than Mexicans. Boxing as a business has alot to do with Mexico as a country becoming a great boxing nation. Mexico is right across the boarder and easier for U.S. base promotors to collect money from. Alot of Mexican fighters got promoted and alot of not as marketable pinoys got overlooked. Look at whats happening in the boxing scene whenever a pinoy fights someone, something unexpected happens, its nice watching the unkown Pinoy hold his ground. Pacquiao wasnt even suppose to be where he is at had he not been a replacement fighter for Ledwaba, and Gerry P., why is it only now when he is about to retire that he is getting shots at Mexican champs. Think about it. Mexico has always had the advantage because they have always gotten shots. Pinoys only have one shot. Dont hate man just congratulate. Mexico has had it good over the years. Its the Philippines turn.

[reed_man02]

Filipinos have this habit of trying to ruffle feathers just for fun. We love to see people who we debate with get pissed off and get riled up. Its fun for us. We call it "ASAR TALO" meaning the first one to get upset, loses.

The other pinoys here just wanna see you get pissed off. Its nothing serious to them, theyre just playing.
Is it possibe for filipinos to have rational, mature, and normal dicussion. Or, are all of them like what you just described. Im a bit shocked at what you just wrote as a few on this site are not like what you just described. (although most on here are)

[acb]

Dude get it through your skull. Philippines is ONLY JUST GETTING ITS SHOT. The Philippines has actually had a longer history in the sport. We had a World Champ before Mexico in Pacho Villa and during the era when Filipino Ceferino Garcia was middleweight champ, your best and most famous boxer was the not so great Kid Azteca. I can name you more Pinoys who were champs pre 1940's than Mexicans. Boxing as a business has alot to do with Mexico as a country become a great boxing nation. Mexico is right across the boarder and easier for U.S. base promotors to collect money from. Alot of Mexican fighters got promoted and alot of not as marketable pinoys got overlooked. Look at whats happening in the boxing scene whenever a pinoy fights someone, something unexpected happens. Pacquiao wasnt even suppose to be where he is at had he not been a replacement fighter for Ledwaba, and Gerry P., why is it only now when he is about to retire that he is getting shots at Mexican champs. Think about it. Mexico has always had the advantage because they have always gotten shots. Pinoys only have one shot. Dont hate man just congratulate. Mexico has had it good over the years. Its the Philippines turn.

Complete and utter bullshit.

So your arguing that if a fighter as good as Pac existed in the 80´s in the Filipines that he would have been overlooked?

[Luzon]

Complete and utter bullshit.

So your arguing that if a fighter as good as Pac existed in the 80´s in the Filipines that he would have been overlooked?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Pacquiao discovery was by complete chance. Why is it only now that you see Pinoys. IT IS BECAUSE OF PACMAN!!! All the Pinoys knew what Pacquiao was going to do to Barrera because we knew his caliber. We knew no way Gerry P was getting koed by De Leon because only Pinoys have seen him. We knew Amonsot was going to do better than what people thought againts Katsidis. Donaire shocked us though when he won. These people are just poppin up left and right, arent they. Where were they before. Promotors now see a little bit of marketability with pinoys, specially pitted againts Mexicans. Gerry is about retire and just beat Jhonny Gonzales for the belt. Where was he all these years??? He shouldve been fighting Mexicans, blacks whoever long time ago. Pinoys are just showing up right now. Use your coconut and think about it.

[Luzon]

Complete and utter bullshit.

So your arguing that if a fighter as good as Pac existed in the 80´s in the Filipines that he would have been overlooked?

The 80's Pac may have still been noticed, in the 80's cuz that weight class wasnt as popular and purses not that big. Espinosa, Navarrete was the 80's to the P.I.

[acb]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Pacquiao discovery was by complete chance. Why is it only now that you see Pinoys. IT IS BECAUSE OF PACMAN!!! All the Pinoys knew what Pacquiao was going to do to Barrera because we knew his caliber. We knew no way Gerry P was getting koed by De Leon because only Pinoys have seen him. We knew Amonsot was going to do better than what people thought againts Katsidis. Donaire shocked us though when he won. These people are just poppin up left and right, arent they. Where were they before. Promotors now see a little bit of marketability with pinoys, specially pitted againts Mexicans. Gerry is about retire and just beat Jhonny Gonzales for the belt. Where was he all these years??? He shouldve been fighting Mexicans, blacks whoever long time ago. Pinoys are just showing up right now. Use your coconut and think about it.

I disagree. On one hand your telling me that you have a great boxing tradition there, which you do going back to Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde, and on the other hand your saying that Filipino fighters have been ignored for years because they are not promotable?

If there have been tons of boxers over there who have been ignored, tell me about them, show me some footage of them.

Just saying that there have been great fighters who would be champions if give publicity doesnt fly.

[Stinky gloves]

Complete and utter bullshit.

So your arguing that if a fighter as good as Pac existed in the 80´s in the Filipines that he would have been overlooked?
The point is they were overlooked because there was no such fighter like PAC.
And more important is they would be overlooked today if PAC doesn't exist.

If there was no PAC then it would be no hype for Bautista and he would be
just regular green prospect getting up. There would be also no World Cups and
nobody would even know who the Pinoy boxers are.

So PAC stock is working for all the average Piony boxers so they can participate
in so called "Wolrd Cup" and show what they wouldn't be able to show on the regular basis.

[reed_man02]

I disagree. On one hand your telling me that you have a great boxing tradition there, which you do going back to Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde, and on the other hand your saying that Filipino fighters have been ignored for years because they are not promotable?

If there have been tons of boxers over there who have been ignored, tell me about them, show me some footage of them.

Just saying that there have been great fighters who would be champions if give publicity doesnt fly.

correct. he just contradicted himself in one page!

Not only that, gerry was already a wbc champ but people thought he didnt have a chance because of his age, not due to his lack of skill. dpl admitted he took gerry lightly though.:yep

[Danny Ocean]

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2.how to box
3.how to drink

joke#


but it werent a set up but like when usa vs uk happened the matchmaking was pretty bad

[acb]

And why would the Philipines only not be promotable. We have had fighters from tons of countries over the years that became champions, for example Arguello from Nicaragua, Duran from Panama, Monzon from Argentina, etc.

Those countries are not near the US-Mexico border, so explain the rise fo those fighters.

If a fighter is great, he is going to make it out to become a champion. Hell even Edison Miranda made it from eating rats on the streets of Colombia to being on HBO, so whats the difference?

[freddy-wak]

And why would the Philipines only not be promotable. We have had fighters from tons of countries over the years that became champions, for example Arguello from Nicaragua, Duran from Panama, Monzon from Argentina, etc.

Those countries are not near the US-Mexico border, so explain the rise fo those fighters.

If a fighter is great, he is going to make it out to become a champion. Hell even Edison Miranda made it from eating rats on the streets of Colombia to being on HBO, so whats the difference?

i'm telling ya man, these flips have a weird way of accepting our warm welcomes......

[Luzon]

I disagree. On one hand your telling me that you have a great boxing tradition there, which you do going back to Pancho Villa and Flash Elorde, and on the other hand your saying that Filipino fighters have been ignored for years because they are not promotable?

If there have been tons of boxers over there who have been ignored, tell me about them, show me some footage of them.

Just saying that there have been great fighters who would be champions if give publicity doesnt fly.


So your telling me that it is pure coincidence that all of a sudden fighters from the Philippines are now showed on U.S. television showing they deserved to be fighting these type of fights and that it is only now that the Philippines had these type of fighters? Only now that the Philippines is being swamped by American promoters because it is only now that the Philippines developed blood and guts fighters that actually can make for exciting fights and show they can hang with the best of them. Now thats what I call BULLSHIT.

[reed_man02]

The point is they were overlooked because there was no such fighter like PAC.
And more important is they would be overlooked today if PAC doesn't exist.

If there was no PAC then it would be no hype for Bautista and he would be
just regular green prospect getting up. There would be also no World Cups and
nobody would even know who the Pinoy boxers are.

So PAC stock is working for all the average Piony boxers so they can participate
in so called "Wolrd Cup" and show what they wouldn't be able to show on the regular basis.

So youre saying that if pac wasnt around, the would be no interest in boxing in the phils. Therefore, boxers like buatista wouldnt get no hype from filipinos and as a result, would go unnotice. whose fault is that?

[acb]

The point is they were overlooked because there was no such fighter like PAC.



:huh

So explain the rise and fame of Pac. There was no star to pave the road for him as he is doing for Bautista. He was just a great fighter who fought his way out of the ghetto, simple as that.

[Luzon]

i'm telling ya man, these flips have a weird way of accepting our warm welcomes......

Discrimination... Latinos are more marketable to westerners. How many asian popstars do you see. If you aint a kung fu master or a pretty asian chick forget it. If a talented one came yall would be like damn, I didnt know asians had people that could dance and sing.

[Luzon]

:huh

So explain the rise and fame of Pac. There was no star to pave the road for him as he is doing for Bautista. He was just a great fighter who fought his way out of the ghetto, simple as that.

Gerry Penalosa was overlooked wasnt he. Pac was almost overlooked. If Mexico had a fighter like Gerry P. believe me he wouldnt have been overlooked.

[reed_man02]

So your telling me that it is pure coincidence that all of a sudden fighters from the Philippines are now showed on U.S. television showing they deserved to be fighting these type of fights and that it is only now that the Philippines had these type of fighters? Only now that the Philippines is being swamped by American promoters because it is only now that the Philippines developed blood and guts fighters that actually can make for exciting fights and show they can hang with the best of them. Now thats what I call BULLSHIT.

No, boxers are getting more exposure becuase there is more interest for boxing in the phils. blame yourself for not supporting boxing before manny as the reason your boxers not getting the exposure you felt they deserved.

[Luzon]

Also fighters like Z gorres who was robbed againts Montiel, Concepcion, and Banal would NEVER been given the type of shots or exposure they are getting right now. These kids have tons of potential and they all have Manny P to thank for that.

[reed_man02]

Discrimination... Latinos are more marketable to westerners. How many asian popstars do you see. If you aint a kung fu master or a pretty asian chick forget it. If a talented one came yall would be like damn, I didnt know asians had people that could dance and sing.

youre on a roll man.:nut

mexicans get opportunities in boxing because the turn out A LOT of good/great boxers. if the phils can do the same, expect those promoters to stay in the phils to continue scouting boxers. boom boom didnt help matter any im afraid.:yep

[Luzon]

No, boxers are getting more exposure becuase there is more interest for boxing in the phils. blame yourself for not supporting boxing before manny as the reason your boxers not getting the exposure you felt they deserved.

So at least I get an acknowledgement from you that the Filipino fighters have a lack of deserved exposure. America is the holy grail of boxing we just never had the numbers to make the networks or promoters money to give a damn about showcasing Pinoys. We showed our numbers that are ever increasing and spending power when Pacquiao rolled around.

[acb]

So your telling me that it is pure coincidence that all of a sudden fighters from the Philippines are now showed on U.S. television showing they deserved to be fighting these type of fights and that it is only now that the Philippines had these type of fighters? Only now that the Philippines is being swamped by American promoters because it is only now that the Philippines developed blood and guts fighters that actually can make for exciting fights and show they can hang with the best of them. Now thats what I call BULLSHIT.

No, what Im telling you is that if any of these fighters was a good as Pac, they would have made it on their own to become stars IN ANY ERA! I will agree that Pac has created publicity for lesser fighters in the Filipines.

You original arguement was that the fighters from the Filipines would have been dominant throughout if given publicity, I think thats total bullshit. No other fighter from the country is or has been as great as Pac in recent years and therefore THEY HAVENT EARNED THE PUBLICITY. There are other fighters there with a lot of of potential which may be great also, but none have surpassed Pac.

What some of you flip fans dont understand (which is understandable give that some of you started watching the sport recently) is that boxing works in cycles. Fighters from the Filipines are dominant now because they are great. The cycle will move on and fighters will again be dominant from Puerto Rico, Mexico, the U.S. etc., and there will be times when the Filipines receeds, its an ebb and flow and it allways has been.

Villa, Elorde, and Pac come around once in a lifetime. It doesnt mean that the entire country can fight or that their boxers will be dominant forever. Stick around a while, you will see.

[Luzon]

Calzaghe chooses to fight in Europe because there is more money for him there because thats where his fans are at. For Mexicans there fans are in the U.S. or right across the boarder. Unfortunately for a third world country like the P.i. the money to be made is in the U.s. as well with supporting fans thousands of miles away. If you can't see that boxing is a business then you are blind.

[Luzon]

No, what Im telling you is that if any of these fighters was a good as Pac, they would have made it on their own to become stars IN ANY ERA! I will agree that Pac has created publicity for lesser fighters in the Filipines.

You original arguement was that the fighters from the Filipines would have been dominant throughout if given publicity, I think thats total bullshit. No other fighter from the country is or has been as great as Pac in recent years and therefore THEY HAVENT EARNED THE PUBLICITY. There are other fighters there with a lot of of potential which may be great also, but none have surpassed Pac.

What some of you flip fans dont understand (which is understandable give that some of you started watching the sport recently) is that boxing works in cycles. Fighters from the Filipines are dominant now because they are great. The cycle will move on and fighters will again be dominant from Puerto Rico, Mexico, the U.S. etc., and there will be times when the Filipines receeds, its an ebb and flow and it allways has been.

Villa, Elorde, and Pac come around once in a lifetime. It doesnt mean that the entire country can fight or that their boxers will be dominant forever. Stick around a while, you will see.


Champion Gerry Penalosa is only a champion because of this Pinoy TREND. Look out for AJ Banal and Concepcion etc. Youlll understand that these kids woulda never made it had it not been for Pacs exposure of Pinoy talent. You cant see it its fine. BUT ITS THE TRUTH.

[Stinky gloves]

So youre saying that if pac wasnt around, the would be no interest in boxing in the phils. Therefore, boxers like buatista wouldnt get no hype from filipinos and as a result, would go unnotice. whose fault is that?

They would be hyped in Phillipines on the local level.
There is no big money in Philipines, money is in US and Mexico or
Puerto Rico have much larger communities in US than Filipinos.
Would be Mijares popular in US if he fought in Phillipines?
He had great exposure so far fighting on Spanish PPV which was boradcasted in US.

If there would be no PAc then it would be no "Wolrd Cup" between Philipines and Mexico.
Oscar would pay PuertoRicans to participare is such contest.
And Fillipinos would be participating in the "Asia Cup" with Thailand.

[acb]

Gerry Penalosa was overlooked wasnt he. Pac was almost overlooked. If Mexico had a fighter like Gerry P. believe me he wouldnt have been overlooked.

Again, not true.

Many factors go into a fighters popularity. Penalosa has a slick style which I love but which doesnt draw a lot of fans (especially Mexican ones).

There are plenty of Mexican fighters (even champs) who are not popular here in the states. If Penalosa had double fisted KO power and a charasmatic personality to go with his sweet moves he would be a star, whether from the Filipines or wherever.

Lets take a fighter like Ivan Calderon for example. He is undeniably great but will never be hugely popular due to his style. Meanwhile Trinidad and Cotto are hugely popular yet still from the island of Puerto Rico.

[reed_man02]

So at least I get an acknowledgement from you that the Filipino fighters have a lack of deserved exposure. America is the holy grail of boxing we just never had the numbers to make the networks or promoters money to give a damn about showcasing Pinoys. We showed our numbers that are ever increasing and spending power when Pacquiao rolled around.

No, I never said they arent getting the exposure they deserve. I said the spotlight is now shinning on them because of pacman. You feel that all up and coming fighters in the phils should be put on tv, yet thats up to you and your people to show interest so promoters can sell the fights. Like acb said, if they are as good as pacman, they will be noticed.

[freddy-wak]

Gerry Penalosa was overlooked wasnt he. Pac was almost overlooked. If Mexico had a fighter like Gerry P. believe me he wouldnt have been overlooked.

FINITO LOPEZ

[Luzon]

Again, not true.

Many factors go into a fighters popularity. Penalosa has a slick style which I love but which doesnt draw a lot of fans (especially Mexican ones).

There are plenty of Mexican fighters (even champs) who are not popular here in the states. If Penalosa had double fisted KO power and a charasmatic personality to go with his sweet moves he would be a star, whether from the Filipines or wherever.

Lets take a fighter like Ivan Calderon for example. He is undeniably great but will never be hugely popular due to his style. Meanwhile Trinidad and Cotto are hugely popular yet still from the island of Puerto Rico.

So your saying its Marketability then right. Thats what I've been trying to say. But anyway the subject of this whole thread was that Pinoys beating Mexicans in the World Cup was a set up. People still can't accept the facts and are still surprised that Filipinos can compete because they havent really heard of or seen enough of Pinoys. There are thousands of Gyms in the Philippines, Mexico only got a taste of one. The WC was all ALA boys who fought so it was more like the ALA boys againts Mexico.

[acb]

They would be hyped in Phillipines on the local level.
There is no big money in Philipines, money is in US and Mexico or
Puerto Rico have much larger communities in US than Filipinos.
Would be Mijares popular in US if he fought in Phillipines?
He had great exposure so far fighting on Spanish PPV which was boradcasted in US.

If there would be no PAc then it would be no "Wolrd Cup" between Philipines and Mexico.
Oscar would pay PuertoRicans to participare is such contest.
And Fillipinos would be participating in the "Asia Cup" with Thailand.

Im not arguing that Pac hasnt given fighters more exposure on the island.

What Im arguing against is the idea that flip fighters have allways been better than Mexican fighters but just havent been given their shot because the US shares a border with Mexico.

Great fighters are not given shots anyways, they take their shots, just like Pac did.

[reed_man02]

They would be hyped in Phillipines on the local level.
There is no big money in Philipines, money is in US and Mexico or
Puerto Rico have much larger communities in US than Filipinos.
Would be Mijares popular in US if he fought in Phillipines?
He had great exposure so far fighting on Spanish PPV which was boradcasted in US.

If there would be no PAc then it would be no "Wolrd Cup" between Philipines and Mexico.
Oscar would pay PuertoRicans to participare is such contest.
And Fillipinos would be participating in the "Asia Cup" with Thailand.

Its up the filipinos to support their fighters like mexicans, rican, and americans do. tell me, in the world cup, how many non filipinos knew about the filipinos fighters that participated in the event?

[Luzon]

FINITO LOPEZ

He wasnt overlooked, everyone has heard of Finito, but I bet you never knew about Gerry until De Leon.

[Luzon]

Its up the filipinos to support their fighters like mexicans, rican, and americans do. tell me, in the world cup, how many non filipinos knew about the filipinos fighters that participated in the event?

Just the Mexicans.

[acb]

FINITO LOPEZ

Amen, another great example. One of the greatest ever and if you pulled a hundred people off the street they wouldnt know who the hell he is.

[freddy-wak]

He wasnt overlooked, everyone has heard of Finito, but I bet you never knew about Gerry until De Leon.

FINITO was overlooked by america, where you say it's easy for us mexicans....

[freddy-wak]

Amen, another great example. One of the greatest ever and if you pulled a hundred people off the street they wouldnt know who the hell he is.

ohhh, but the great rocky marciano retired undefeated....:lol:

[Boom_Boom]

1.how to climb over borders
2.how to box
3.how to drink

joke#


but it werent a set up but like when usa vs uk happened the matchmaking was pretty bad

dont give us that shit

When the line ups were announced everybody was saying US had no chance.

[Stinky gloves]

Its up the filipinos to support their fighters like mexicans, rican, and americans do. tell me, in the world cup, how many non filipinos knew about the filipinos fighters that participated in the event?

But most people didn't know the Mexican fighters ether.
The "WOrld Cup" was between best FIlipino prospects and average
Mexicans except two main fights. So there was big exposure for
Filipinos to participate in such event called "World Cup" in Las Vegas, Nevada.

On the regular basis they might participate in similar event in
Las Vegas, New Mexico, with the pirze of 5.000$ broadcased by
KTFO Rocky Mountain Evening Dust.

[acb]

So your saying its Marketability then right. Thats what I've been trying to say.

NO.

We are arguing about the source of marketability. You said that Mexican fighters have been priveledged because of their proximity to the United States. What you saying underneath this is that flip fighters have allways been better and can only show it now. This is a way of discrediting Mexican champions, is it not?

Marketability comes from many factors.

Prince Hamed was a gangly little fuck with a British accent and unsightly big ears who preached about Allah after knocking out of American fighters. There would be nothing marketable about that if he didnt KO people with fashion after making crazy ring entrances and doing backflips over the ropes.

Pac is marketable because he carves peoples asses up in the ring a looks a little like Bruce Lee, and everyone loves the guy.

So why not give credit to the great champions from Mexico because they were great champions?

[acb]

FINITO was overlooked by america, where you say it's easy for us mexicans....

Exactly.

[freddy-wak]

NO.

We are arguing about the source of marketability. You said that Mexican fighters have been priveledged because of their proximity to the United States. What you saying underneath this is that flip fighters have allways been better and can only show it now. This is a way of discrediting Mexican champions, is it not?

Marketability comes from many factors.

Prince Hamed was a gangly little fuck with a British accent and unsightly big ears who preached about Allah after knocking out of American fighters. There would be nothing marketable about that if he didnt KO people with fashion after making crazy ring entrances and doing backflips over the ropes.

Pac is marketable because he carves peoples asses up in the ring a looks a little like Bruce Lee, and everyone loves the guy.

So why not give credit to the great champions from Mexico because they were great champions?

that right there should be copy written and sent to phillipines to be posted up in all there city halls.....

[Stinky gloves]

Im not arguing that Pac hasnt given fighters more exposure on the island.

What Im arguing against is the idea that flip fighters have allways been better than Mexican fighters but just havent been given their shot because the US shares a border with Mexico.

Great fighters are not given shots anyways, they take their shots, just like Pac did.

You will never know if they were great untill they fight the best: "Margarito who?"
PAC become one of the best because he got his shot at Barrera and won.

[Luzon]

Ok points were made but mine is basically congratulate and dont take anything away from the P.I.. Mexico is great and this loss is not going to diminish any opinions that Mexico produces the bravest and toughest fighters on the Planet. Mexico has a tough cousin in the sport in the P.I. Mexico and the P.I. have so much in common so when a Pinoy fights , Mexicans shouldn't hate but admire a culture that is closely related to theirs. Look inside the ring and see just how close.

[acb]

He wasnt overlooked, everyone has heard of Finito, but I bet you never knew about Gerry until De Leon.

They are both unknowns in the US. If you doubt it, ask around. And by the way, Finito was a better fighter than Gerry.

[Luzon]

They are both unknowns in the US. If you doubt it, ask around. And by the way, Finito was a better fighter than Gerry.

But Finito got his fights whereas Gerry just did.

[acb]

Ok points were made but mine is basically congratulate and dont take anything away from the P.I.. Mexico is great and this loss is not going to diminish any opinions that Mexico produces the bravest and toughest fighters on the Planet. Mexico has a tough cousin in the sport in the P.I. Mexico and the P.I. have so much in common so when a Pinoy fights , Mexicans shouldn't hate but admire a culture that is closely related to theirs. Look inside the ring and see just how close.

But thats what I dont understand, I think Mexican fans really appreciate the way Pac fights and admire him. And if anyone fights like Mexicans its the flips, blood and guts, so there is a mutual adrmiration.

I think all this shit started when Pac fans started to discredit MAB and EM, and basically say that Pac would walk through any Mexican fighter. Mexicans feel like flip fans are shitting on their tradition.

In reality both countries have great fighters and they should just appreciate eachothers fighters. But it seems like it just cant happen sometimes.

[reed_man02]

But thats what I dont understand, I think Mexican fans really appreciate the way Pac fights and admire him. And if anyone fights like Mexicans its the flips, blood and guts, so there is a mutual adrmiration.

I think all this shit started when Pac fans started to discredit MAB and EM, and basically say that Pac would walk through any Mexican fighter. Mexicans feel like flip fans are shitting on their tradition.

In reality both countries have great fighters and they should just appreciate eachothers fighters. But it seems like it just cant happen sometimes.

Exactly, I dont understand why some flips feel Mexicans "hate" them, when it couldnt be further from the truth.:huh

[acb]

But Finito got his fights whereas Gerry just did.

Yes but again you cant just attribute this to country of origen. Winky Wright couldnt get a shot for years because his style wasnt pleasing and he was GOOD!

Gerry has a style that is too slick for many fighters, and if given a shot at being a champ he would not sell PPV buys (outside of flips).

Thats how boxing works. If a fighter poses a viable challenge to a PPV selling champion, and that fighter is not viewed as a PPV seller himself, he will allways have a hard time becoming a champion.

[Luzon]

Yes but again you cant just attribute this to country of origen. Winky Wright couldnt get a shot for years because his style wasnt pleasing and he was GOOD!

Gerry has a style that is too slick for many fighters, and if given a shot at being a champ he would not sell PPV buys (outside of flips).

Thats how boxing works. If a fighter poses a viable challenge to a PPV selling champion, and that fighter is not viewed as a PPV seller himself, he will allways have a hard time becoming a champion.


This only happens on these boards. In real life Pinoys get along with Mexicans real well. Never any major friction even in the arenas were Pinoys fight Mexicans. How many Pinoys you kick it with? It all good with Mexicans and Pinoys.

[jopez707]

I had a good time there, even if Mexico got their ass kicked, I still enjoyed the event.

[acb]

This only happens on these boards. In real life Pinoys get along with Mexicans real well. Never any major friction even in the arenas were Pinoys fight Mexicans. How many Pinoys you kick it with? It all good with Mexicans and Pinoys.

True, in southern California Mexicans and flips dont seem to have many problems, the cultures are similar. I have even learned a little tagalog, enough to spit at a girl a little bit... magundung babae (spelling :oops: ).

[Luzon]

True, in southern California Mexicans and flips dont seem to have many problems, the cultures are similar. I have even learned a little tagalog, enough to spit at a girl a little bit... magundung babae (spelling :oops: ).

Its Magandang. The thing is a Filipino family in SC always has some Mexicans in their extended family. I know my family got people talkin shit in the living room to each other come Pinoy vs. Mexican boxing time.

[Boom_Boom]

Its Magandang. The thing is a Filipino family in SC always has some Mexicans in their extended family. I know my family got people talkin shit in the living room to each other come Pinoy vs. Mexican boxing time.

Funny you say that Im a flip and living in SC

and my brother-in-law is mexican, my soon to be sister-in-law is mexican, oh and my GF is Mexican.

Sadly no one in my mexican extended family is a boxing fan.....they're all MMA fans :roll:

[acb]

Sadly no one in my mexican extended family is a boxing fan.....they're all MMA fans :roll:

They are not real Mexicans. :twisted:

[PacDbest]

This only happens on these boards. In real life Pinoys get along with Mexicans real well. Never any major friction even in the arenas were Pinoys fight Mexicans. How many Pinoys you kick it with? It all good with Mexicans and Pinoys.

On my seat in the back row are all Mexicans, and I recognized some of them are Mex Prospects, one guy is like Twin brother of Jhonny Gonzales. After Bautista was KOed, they told me it's all right. I gave respect to Ponce, we shake our hands, my cousin talk to them in Spanish(his ex GF is Mexican). It's all good, just a Friendly rivalry. We just shake our heads if our boxers lose. Good thing we just did it once. It's about 50/50 Crowd, everybody gets their money's worth.

I ask the white guys in front of us, Who you rooting for? He said I just came here to see a good fight. Just to show that other Races recognized both Filipino & Mex fighters are worth watching.

[jackiebrown]

sooooo .. let me .. get this straight..

the world cup was a set up .. so the "flip" nut huggers would have something to cheer for .. and .. the flips despite having fighters in the game that go who knows how far back ... are now "welcomed" to the sport of boxing ..

annnnd that you are banned from pacland for being objectful about "flip" fans

[Luzon]

On my seat in the back row are all Mexicans, and I recognized some of them are Mex Prospects, one guy is like Twin brother of Jhonny Gonzales. After Bautista was KOed, they told me it's all right. I gave respect to Ponce, we shake our hands, my cousin talk to them in Spanish(his ex GF is Mexican). It's all good, just a Friendly rivalry. We just shake our heads if our boxers lose. Good thing we just did it once. It's about 50/50 Crowd, everybody gets their money's worth.

I ask the white guys in front of us, Who you rooting for? He said I just came here to see a good fight. Just to show that other Races recognized both Filipino & Mex fighters are worth watching.


NICE ONE =)

[charlievint]

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....

Damn...reallly Fred. I thought it was a good card with a lot of action. I don't think it was a set up though....I may be mis interpretting your meaning but I thought the fights were evenly matched and GREAT for boxing.

I don't think that there are more Flip fighters that are better than Mex fighters though. I just think that on Saturday the Flips preformed better, aside from Ponce's crazy 1st round KO over Boom Boom. I can't wait for the next world cup.!

[ko factor]

Mexico has already established itself as a producer of quite a number of World Champions for so many years now in the lower weight class. It's just lately Philippines is starting to shine their own & I hope in the coming more years. Watch out Mexico! Philippines is catching up with ya.:hey

[Stinky gloves]

Watch out Mexico! Philippines is catching up with ya.:hey

Its interesting how the best Filipino prospect got stratched during the catch.

[ko factor]

Its interesting how the best Filipino prospect got stratched during the catch.He is still young give him more time. de Leon was a beast, it was like a man vs. boy what do you expect?:roll:

[Stinky gloves]

He is still young give him more time. de Leon was a beast, it was like a man vs. boy what do you expect?:roll:
I expect that boys stay at home and grown up.
Bautista had 23 fights and 17 KOs so far.
Were these 23 fighters beaten by boy, so who did he beat, a preschool team?

[doknochrisan]

Its interesting how the best Filipino prospect got stratched during the catch.

Gerry wants a rematch will DPDL(just heard it on Phil TV), what can you say SG?

[psychopath]

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....

Hmmm . . . so that's what's making you upset. :lol:

Well don't go there in their turf. Better here in the "international territory".

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[psychopath]

I expect that boys stay at home and grown up.
Bautista had 23 fights and 17 KOs so far.
Were these 23 fighters beaten by boy, so who did he beat, a preschool team?

No shit . . . you're still at it stinky?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :good

[Stinky gloves]

Gerry wants a rematch will DPDL(just heard it on Phil TV), what can you say SG?

Sure, why not it would be great.
But how about giving rematch to Gonzales first,
who was 5-1 ahead on the scorecards before the body stopage.

[psychopath]

Sure, why not it would be great.
But how about giving rematch to Gonzales first,
who was 5-1 ahead on the scorecards before the body stopage.

Yeah before the stoppage. :yep He could be ahead of the scorecards 11-0 but if the fight was stopped at the 12th round . . . he still loses.

Live by it . . . this is boxing.:good

[Stinky gloves]

Yeah before the stoppage. :yep He could be ahead of the scorecards 11-0 but if the fight was stopped at the 12th round . . . he still loses.

Live by it . . . this is boxing.:good
11-0 with stopage at the 12th looks like the schooling vs a lucky punch :lol:
What makes Gerry to think he should get rematch with De Leon before giving his own rematch to Gonzales?
Double standards?

[psychopath]

11-0 with stopage at the 12th looks like the schooling vs a lucky punch :lol:
What makes Gerry to think he should get rematch with De Leon before giving his own rematch to Gonzales?
Double standards?

Lucky punch or not dude . . . the guy who can't continue still loses. What's the use of the 11 rounds schooling then? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[doknochrisan]

Sure, why not it would be great.
But how about giving rematch to Gonzales first,
who was 5-1 ahead on the scorecards before the body stopage.

You have point, but did you see the scorecards before the liver shot? They were quite close on the two male judges, 58-56 and 57-57, cj ross had it 59-55, and it was too early too say..

[Stinky gloves]

You have point, but did you see the scorecards before the liver shot? They were quite close on the two male judges, 58-56 and 57-57, cj ross had it 59-55, and it was too early too say..

So you more like to see the rematch with Leon or Gonzales?
Both fights would be good.

[jopez707]

You have point, but did you see the scorecards before the liver shot? They were quite close on the two male judges, 58-56 and 57-57, cj ross had it 59-55, and it was too early too say..

I was there at the arena I had Gonzalez winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage, he was winning the 7th as well. Gonzalez had the fight in complete control, it was a shocking ending; Penalosa needed to do something dramactic and he did.

[doknochrisan]

So you more like to see the rematch with Leon or Gonzales?
Both fights would be good.

Indeed:good

[doknochrisan]

I was there at the arena I had Gonzalez winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage, he was winning the 7th as well. Gonzalez had the fight in complete control, it was a shocking ending; Penalosa needed to do something dramactic and he did.

which rounds didyou score for Gerry?

[theunderdog]

I was there at the arena I had Gonzalez winning 4-2 at the time of the stoppage, he was winning the 7th as well. Gonzalez had the fight in complete control, it was a shocking ending; Penalosa needed to do something dramactic and he did.

i think gerry won the first round. nothing more. but then bang and it's over. the thing is johnny got careless with his punches. he threw a careless right and totally missed exposing the side of his body for gerry. that's a no-no against a seasoned pro

[jopez707]

which rounds didyou score for Gerry?

I gave Gerry the 1st and 3rd(although the 3rd could easily have gone Gonzales way). Every other round Gonzalez won clearly, he was starting to pull away when he got caught. I think Lewis was right when he said that having to lose 12 pound from 130 to 118, hurt Gonzalez; that doesnt seem like a lot of weight but at the lower weights thats a lot to lose. I have to imagine that being weight-drained had something to do with him not having the energry to get up, not taking anything away from Penalosa's win.

[theunderdog]

I gave Gerry the 1st and 3rd(although the 3rd could easily have gone Gonzales way). Every other round Gonzalez won clearly, he was starting to pull away when he got caught. I think Lewis was right when he said that having to lose 12 pound from 130 to 118, hurt Gonzalez; that doesnt seem like a lot of weight but at the lower weights thats a lot to lose. I have to imagine that being weight-drained had something to do with him not having the energry to get up, not taking anything away from Penalosa's win.

johnny is a tall guy and i think 118 is the lowest he could possibly go. i think roach knew all along that they should attack the body because of the weight issue. do you know how many days before the fights was johnny at 130?

[Chert]

some of penalosa's previous KO victories were also by a body shot. he does have that weapon. he uses it more often now since he is already 35 so he throws less punches than before but chooses them well. imo, he is the best tactical boxer and counter-puncher the philippines has ever produced. the guy has never been ko'd and kd'd in his entire career. he definitely deserves credit for beating a young, great champion (gonzales) and winning another belt after 10 years.

[theunderdog]

some of penalosa's previous KO victories were also by a body shot. he does have that weapon. he uses it more often now since he is already 35 so he throws less punches than before but chooses them well. imo, he is the best tactical boxer and counter-puncher the philippines has ever produced. the guy has never been ko'd and kd'd in his entire career. he definitely deserves credit for beating a young, great champion (gonzales) and winning another belt after 10 years.

of course he does. i doubt he could even reach johnny's jaw.

[bulakenyo]

Is it possibe for filipinos to have rational, mature, and normal dicussion. Or, are all of them like what you just described. Im a bit shocked at what you just wrote as a few on this site are not like what you just described. (although most on here are)

Im sure every Pinoy poster here can debate with all of you guys in a very mature and rational way. Only thing is, they chose not to.

Its more fun to them having heated discussions and make their opponent get steaming mad.

ESB Posting:
Mexicans sees it as NASCAR.
Filipino sees it as demolition derby night.

No blood, No foul. But at the end of the day, were all still amigos here.

[freddy-wak]

freddy, your bias towards mexican fighters again is causing me to ignore this post.

who are you again...:huh

[freddy-wak]

Its Magandang. The thing is a Filipino family in SC always has some Mexicans in their extended family. I know my family got people talkin shit in the living room to each other come Pinoy vs. Mexican boxing time.

my girl is a quarter flip, making my lil girls something to do with ya'll....her grandpa is pure flip straight from manila, living in alaska....some of the nicest people i have ever, ever met....

[freddy-wak]

Pinoys own Mexicans in boxing.:lol: :lol:

[reed_man02]

Im sure every Pinoy poster here can debate with all of you guys in a very mature and rational way. Only thing is, they chose not to.

Its more fun to them having heated discussions and make their opponent get steaming mad.

ESB Posting:
Mexicans sees it as NASCAR.
Filipino sees it as demolition derby night.

No blood, No foul. But at the end of the day, were all still amigos here.

I cant believe all filipinos are this immature. I used to act this way when I was 10!

[1punch1nder]

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....

what do you mean WE?

mexicans and filipinos are the same in the eyes of a racist.

and stop thinking that mexicans are more superior than filipinos in boxing because its been proven plenty of times that its not just about the fighter but the oppurtunity he had.

[Hrak]

That world cup was BS, non of the fighters on the card were established enough to be strong representitives of their countries. The real World cup will be when Pacquiao fights JMM again.

[theunderdog]

That world cup was BS, non of the fighters on the card were established enough to be strong representitives of their countries. The real World cup will be when Pacquiao fights JMM again.

penalosa and gorres are the 2nd and 3rd best fighters from the philippines regardless of weightclass. i can't say the same for mexico's bets. but johnny is their best bantamweight and de leon is their 3rd best superbatam

[Ared]

We're not immature... Well some of us here are... But no way is our country immature...

It's probably more of the trend of the Pinoy poster demographic... Most people who do internet here use it for YouTube (hence the numerous references to it), gamers and forum trolls. A lot of the time, and I do notice this is that we flips are forum trolls, simply because in person we are so nice, the anonimity of the Filipino in the Internet gives us the license to annoy and cajole everybody else (tis the truth man, ask a foreigner and most of the time they say that we are more lovable than the Carebears, but on the internet, if they had an internet version of a shotgun they would have shot us already). Plus the fact that less than 50% of the country has access to internet in the first place, most internet posters do not make themselves representatives of the race...

On another note, I've never gone to Pacland simply because I started out of all places on the MarcoAntonioBarrera site, then I got invited over here by David Roche (yes he's a liberal commie and I'm a conservative spoiled rich brat).

[bulakenyo]

We're not immature... Well some of us here are... But no way is our country immature...

It's probably more of the trend of the Pinoy poster demographic... Most people who do internet here use it for YouTube (hence the numerous references to it), gamers and forum trolls. A lot of the time, and I do notice this is that we flips are forum trolls, simply because in person we are so nice, the anonimity of the Filipino in the Internet gives us the license to annoy and cajole everybody else (tis the truth man, ask a foreigner and most of the time they say that we are more lovable than the Carebears, but on the internet, if they had an internet version of a shotgun they would have shot us already). Plus the fact that less than 50% of the country has access to internet in the first place, most internet posters do not make themselves representatives of the race...


Bullseye. :good

[loui_ludwig]

If the Boxing World Cup is a set up, then Rey doesn't have a glass chin after all. His lost was a set up. Boom2x fans rejoice.

[runnynose]

please guys, i'm happy the flips are getting known and all but comparing them to mexico :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ....mexico has decades of blood sweat and tears buried in boxing history...from randy suico to boom boom bautista, everybody was supposed to be the next manny pacquiao and look what happened to them and WHO HAS STOPPED THEM...

we welcome you to the sport of boxing and we obviously see another rivalry gearing up (we're tired of kicking rican booty), which is good cause flips got alot of heart...but come on people, lets be realistic about it and let fighters become what they are meant to be, not what you want them to be......
During the centuries of the Acapulco-Manila galleon trade, the Spanish conquistadores brought fencing to the isles they named after Philip II. The indios in Asia learned fencing about the same time the indios in Central and South America did. But even then the locals in the islands already had their own original martial arts, called kuntaw, silat, and later arnis.

Then the Americans came and occupied the Philippines in the early part of the 20th century. They taught Queensbury-rules boxing to the locals. Note the results: As early as the 1920s, the Philippines made its mark in the world boxing stage. Pancho Villa (91-8-4) became the first Filipino undisputed world boxing champion, dominating the flyweight division from 1923 to 1925. He owned wins over feared fighters like Jimmy Wilde, Johnny Buff, Willie Darcy, Clarence Rosen, and George Marks. Next came Ceferino Garcia (102-28-12), who was world middleweight champion in 1939 and 1940. He once drew with the great Henry Armstrong and conquered Fred Apostoli, Kid Azteca, Al Romero, and Bobby Pacho (4 times). Another Filipino boxing great is of course Flash Elorde (88-27-2) who was world junior lightweight champion from 1960 to 1967. His notable victims include the great Ismael Laguna, Frankie Narvaez, Johnny Bizzarro, Harold Gomes, Love Allotey, and Teruo Kosaka.

Filipinos are not at all that green in world-class boxing. :hi:

[Chert]

yep. mexicans started appearing in the world boxing scene in the late 60's with their first ever boxing champ in 1969... the philippines however as evidence by Francisco "Pancho Villa" Guilledo has been in boxing since the 20's... actually, the philippines already had 9 world boxing champions before mexico had its first one. i guess it was really just the geographic location of the philippines vis-a-vis the US which prevented more filipinos the opportunity to become world boxing champs.

[freddy-wak]

yep. mexicans started appearing in the world boxing scene in the late 60's with their first ever boxing champ in 1969... the philippines however as evidence by Francisco "Pancho Villa" Guilledo has been in boxing since the 20's... actually, the philippines already had 9 world boxing champions before mexico had its first one. i guess it was really just the geographic location of the philippines vis-a-vis the US which prevented more filipinos the opportunity to become world boxing champs.

I found this on another website. Interesting list. Check it out.


Campeones Mundiales Mexicanos

Incluye los campeones mundiales hasta la fecha

PESO SUPERWELTER - 154 lbs
(69.900 Kgs)

Guadalupe Aquino
Raúl Márquez
Ramón Campas


PESO WELTER - 147 lbs
(66.700 Kgs).

José A. "Mantequilla" Nápoles
Carlos Palomino
Pipino Cuevas González
Jorge Vaca
Genaro León
José Luis "Maestrito" López
Luis Ramón "Yori boy" Campas
Antonio Margarito


PESO SUPERLIGERO - 140 lbs
(63.500 Kgs).

José "Battling Shaw" Pérez
René Arredondo
Julio César Chávez
Carlos "Bolillo" González


PESO LIGERO - 135 lbs
(61.200 Kgs).

Juan Zurita
Lauro "Tigre" Salas
Erubey "Chango" Carmona
Rodolfo "Gato" González
José Luis Ramírez
Julio César Chávez
César Bazán
Mauricio Aceves
Miguel Angel González
Rafael Ruelas
José Luis Castillo
Javier Jaregui


PESO SUPERPLUMA - 130 lbs
(59.00 Kgs)

Ricardo Arredondo
Rafael "Bazooka" Limón
Julio César Chávez
Gabriel Ruelas
Jesus Chavez
Erik Morales


PESO PLUMA - 126 lbs
(57.200 Kgs)

Vicente Saldivar
Clemente Sánchez
Rubén "Púas" Olivares
Salvador Sánchez
Jorge "Maromero" Páez
Marcos Villasana
Manuel Medina
Gregorio Vargas
Alejandro "Cobrita" González
Ultiminio Ramos
Gustavo "Guty" Espadas Jr.
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Juan Manuel Márquez


PESO SUPERGALLO - 122 lbs
(55.300 Kgs)

Juan "Kid" Meza
Guadalupe "Grillo" Pintor
Daniel Zaragoza
Juan José "Dinamita" Estrada
Raúl "Jibaro" Pérez
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik "Terrible" Morales
Enrique Sánchez
Néstor "Tigre" Garza
Óscar Larios


PESO GALLO - 118 lbs
(53.500 Kgs)

Raúl "Ratón" Macias
José Becerra
Rubén "Púas" Olivares
Jesús Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Romero "Lacandón" Anaya
Rodolfo Martínez
Víctor Rabanales
Alfonso Zamora
Carlos "Cañas" Zárate
Guadalupe "Grillo" Pintor
Raúl "Jibaro" Pérez
Daniel Zaragoza
Cruz Carbajal
Rafael Márquez


PESO SUPERMOSCA - 115 lbs
(52.200 Kgs)

Gilberto Román
Julio César "Navajo" Borboa
José Luis Bueno
José "Gallito" Quirino
Diego "Pelucho" Morales
Fernando Montiel


PESO MOSCA - 112 lbs
(50.800 Kgs)

Efrén "Alacrán" Torres
Miguel Canto
Gustavo "Guty" Espadas
Antonio Avelar
Juan Herrera
Gabriel Bernal
Isidro Pérez
Rubén Sánchez León
Freddy Castillo
Alberto Jiménez
Isidro García
Fernando Montiel


PESO MINIMOSCA - 108 lbs
(49.00 Kgs)

Freddy Castillo
Pedro Flores
Amado Urzua
Guadalupe Madera
Germán Torres
Humberto "Chiquita" González
Melchor Cob Castro
Jesús Chong
Jorge "Travieso" Arce
Mako Leyva
Ricardo "Finito" López


PESO PAJA - 105 lbs
(47.600 Kgs)

Ricardo "Finito" López
José Antonio Aguirre
Roberto Leyva

[Chert]

no doubt from the late 60's onwards, mexico has become a virtual factory for world boxing champs. it really helps that your country shares a common border with the US, boxing's acknowledged mecca.

but this doesn't detract from the fact that the philippines has a rich tradition and history in boxing despite its disadvantage in geographical location.

[freddy-wak]

no doubt from the late 60's onwards, mexico has become a virtual factory for world boxing champs. it really helps that your country shares a common border with the US, boxing's acknowledged mecca.

but this doesn't detract from the fact that the philippines has a rich tradition and history in boxing despite its disadvantage in geographical location.

i understand, and i think we can both agree that flips died out in boxing after having some pretty good champs...now it's pretty obvious they're here to say and i just wanted to kind of tell them that us mexicans appreciate them, but alot of them act up and make it hard to carry good conversations with them....many old folks told me that alot of asian and latin countries had many great boxers, but that americans only really paid attention to the white and black americans.....i've never really looked into it myself cause i think to know exactly what happened, you had to of lived it.....

[myk]

you know what upsets me...that we welcome them with open arms, even after all there nuthugging and biased opinions, which is cool or else boxing would be boring....but the minute we go on their websites, we're fucken banned.....


Do you mean you got banned at Pac's website?

[Vantage_West]

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[acb]

Mexicans can jump the US border easily while Pinoys have to sail or fly oceans to get to the US. Why they only have 100 champs is a puzzle to me?:lol:

Stupid, immature post. Domingo you and Bigtime9 are meant for eachother. I think if you had both agreed on a common favorite fighter you would have already eloped. :good

[enzo]

Do you mean you got banned at Pac's website?


I got banned there for posting sexy pics... :-(

[theunderdog]

Stupid, immature post. Domingo you and Bigtime9 are meant for eachother. I think if you had both agreed on a common favorite fighter you would have already eloped. :good

:lol: agreed

[runnynose]

A few overexcited Pinoy posters probably sound like flips. But it's unfortunate that you call Filipinos "flips" as a nationality, because that name really isn't our choice. There have been many educated Filipinos who want to change the name of the country because having been independent for so long, the nation shouldn't be associated anymore with Spain's 17th-century King Philip II. Maybe we should rename the country -- perhaps, what, Pacland? Heh heh.

[puga_ni_nana]

A few overexcited Pinoy posters probably sound like flips. But it's unfortunate that you call Filipinos "flips" as a nationality, because that name really isn't our choice. There have been many educated Filipinos who want to change the name of the country because having been independent for so long, the nation shouldn't be associated anymore with Spain's 17th-century King Philip II. Maybe we should rename the country -- perhaps, what, Pacland? Heh heh.


:lol: :lol: wahahaha!:rofl :rofl

at first i thought this was a serious attempt to educate about philippine history...

[runnynose]

I don't know what it is with Fidel Castro. Mexico's and PR's example is so clear one cannot understand his agenda. Can't he see how Cubans could be a lot happier if he allowed their boxers freedom to roam the world and realize their potential? Other communist/socialist states do now. Already other neighboring countries such as Haiti and Guyana are also showing up nicely in the boxing scene. Cuban talent is being wasted if it is not allowed to grow beyond the amateur ranks.

[myk]

I got banned there for posting sexy pics... :-(


:lol:

I only visit that site to get the latest Filipino boxing news.

[theunderdog]

I don't know what it is with Fidel Castro. Mexico's and PR's example is so clear one cannot understand his agenda. Can't he see how Cubans could be a lot happier if he allowed their boxers freedom to roam the world and realize their potential? Other communist/socialist states do now. Already other neighboring countries such as Haiti and Guyana are also showing up nicely in the boxing scene. Cuban talent is being wasted if it is not allowed to grow beyond the amateur ranks.

this is as far from the topic as possible

[runnynose]

this is as far from the topic as possible
Yes, I kinda lost my way. The thread I had in mind was about a World Cup bet. RP and PR. And of course the same idea of a World Cup with a neighboring (to PR, Mex and US) boxing power came to mind -- Cuba. Do you think Casa and those other Cuban talents who have managed to campaign in the international pro ranks are still welcome or treated nicely at home? I wonder.