bowie tupou

[buster007]

i noticed things have gone quiet with him.

is he injured, still boxing?

i know he was being trained by jeff mayweather in las vegas.

he like soloman need to be more active.

[WhataRock]

He doesnt fight in oz anymore so we only really hear about him until after the fights have already happened.

Wish him the best, still quite amazed he only took boxing a few years ago.

[buster007]

nothing in his schedule.

[fist]

spoke to his cousin they said he is spose to fight eric boose in vegas this week

[Charles White]

spoke to his cousin they said he is spose to fight eric boose in vegas this week
The Eric Boose from Washington?

[buster007]

i assume this fight with boose didn't happen.

anybody knows?

[fist]

he fought cissie zalif in Seattle and won by unanimous decision

[ipswich express]

Cisse Salif?

[maco_187]

yeah good result for him, would like to know the scores thats a better opponent then what hes been facing recently...
i assume he would try and step it up soon?

[Anenigma]

Cisse is a step up, good win IMO.

[Jambo]

Bowie is a freakish physical speciman. For a guy his size he can really move as well.

How do you guys think he would go against Haumono and Hoppa?

Both would be great fights to watch. Hoppa and Tupou would be fought inside the phone booth :yep

Can't see Hoppa winning, although it would be great while it lasted.

Haumono has some skills though... Whether he can deal with the size, pressure and workrate of Tupou would be interesting.

I haven't seen Tupou fight since much earlier in his career, has he progressed much?

[WhataRock]

I havent seen Bowie in action since his last fight in oz..I may have seen a highlight of him in one of his U.S fights, im not to sure.
Salif is a good step up...a cagey guy with a ton of international experience.

Which is why moving to America was a smart move..the depth of heavyweight fighter is so much deeper over there and he was running out of opponants in Oz..He would have been expected to fight guys like Mirovic and Wilson when he wasnt really ready because he had cleaned out most of the lower tier aussies and kiwis.
They can bring him along nice and gradually in America and it seems they have slowly starting stepping him up.

[Jambo]

I havent seen Bowie in action since his last fight in oz..I may have seen a highlight of him in one of his U.S fights, im not to sure.
Salif is a good step up...a cagey guy with a ton of international experience.

Which is why moving to America was a smart move..the depth of heavyweight fighter is so much deeper over there and he was running out of opponants in Oz..He would have been expected to fight guys like Mirovic and Wilson when he wasnt really ready because he had cleaned out most of the lower tier aussies and kiwis.
They can bring him along nice and gradually in America and it seems they have slowly starting stepping him up.

You really don't think he could beat Mirovic after seeing what Hoppa did recently?

I totally agree though that going to the states was an excellent move. The sparring and the facilities over there as well would be so much better. I imagine there would be more money in it also...

[WhataRock]

You really don't think he could beat Mirovic after seeing what Hoppa did recently?

I totally agree though that going to the states was an excellent move. The sparring and the facilities over there as well would be so much better. I imagine there would be more money in it also...

At the stage he was at when he left most definitely not...He looked pretty average against Tutaki and showed a hell of a lot of flaws against Fitzy a few months before, especially his stamina and defence which is something Bob has a knack for exposing.

Now its probably a lot different but Big Bob is never a guy you should rush someone in against just ask Izonreti or N. Briggs...I really think Hoppa took a lot of punishment in that fight trying to put Bob away, career shortening kind of stuff.

Id really have to see how Tupou was looking now to make a pick on that fight...But when he left for the State I would have very little confidence in him beating Bob at that stage. Thats why I think it was a good move to leave then because either he was going to have to keep recycling the same old fighters he had been facing or step up to a Wilson, Mirovic or Hoppa kind of fighter and he wasnt ready at the time.

[Jambo]

At the stage he was at when he left most definitely not...He looked pretty average against Tutaki and showed a hell of a lot of flaws against Fitzy a few months before, especially his stamina and defence which is something Bob has a knack for exposing.

Now its probably a lot different but Big Bob is never a guy you should rush someone in against just ask Izonreti or N. Briggs...I really think Hoppa took a lot of punishment in that fight trying to put Bob away, career shortening kind of stuff.

Id really have to see how Tupou was looking now to make a pick on that fight...But when he left for the State I would have very little confidence in him beating Bob at that stage. Thats why I think it was a good move to leave then because either he was going to have to keep recycling the same old fighters he had been facing or step up to a Wilson, Mirovic or Hoppa kind of fighter and he wasnt ready at the time.

Fair enough...

I hadn't seen any of his fights apart from really early in his career, so i hadn't seen him tested in any way at all.

Bob is a big, tough guy, even if he beat him it what have taken a lot out of him like you said.

[ozziebattler]

The more i think about it..Most fighters go through there career having 2-5 wars(if that) but it seems all of big bobs have been fairly brutal fights...Man i really hope he has made some decent dosh out of this because his body must be fucked up...

I honestly can think of 10plus fights where bob (even in victory) has been pretty messd up...I personally thought he should of hung the gloves up after the Rob Calloway fight.. That was a brutal affair..Especially for big bob.

[Anenigma]

The more i think about it..Most fighters go through there career having 2-5 wars(if that) but it seems all of big bobs have been fairly brutal fights...Man i really hope he has made some decent dosh out of this because his body must be fucked up...

I honestly can think of 10plus fights where bob (even in victory) has been pretty messd up...I personally thought he should of hung the gloves up after the Rob Calloway fight.. That was a brutal affair..Especially for big bob.

Yeah I agree hopefully he gives it away now, I know he has completely priced himself out of the couple of fights that are left in Oz for him and no one OS would want him with his age and last 5 fights.

As far as Bowie goes everyone was bagging him saying he had done the dirty on Johnny by moving stateside but it was perfect timing IMO.

At that stage there was a big jump from the guys he was fighting and the next level here even just by experience, it is hard for people to remember because the landscape has changed dramatically in the Heavies in Oz in the last 18mths, but Bowie racked up all those wins in a pretty quick amount of time and I believe he only put on a pair of gloves a couple of mths before his first fight.

Good luck to him he is still very young and has freakish genetics:good

[Jambo]

Yeah I agree hopefully he gives it away now, I know he has completely priced himself out of the couple of fights that are left in Oz for him and no one OS would want him with his age and last 5 fights.

As far as Bowie goes everyone was bagging him saying he had done the dirty on Johnny by moving stateside but it was perfect timing IMO.

At that stage there was a big jump from the guys he was fighting and the next level here even just by experience, it is hard for people to remember because the landscape has changed dramatically in the Heavies in Oz in the last 18mths, but Bowie racked up all those wins in a pretty quick amount of time and I believe he only put on a pair of gloves a couple of mths before his first fight.

Good luck to him he is still very young and has freakish genetics:good

Definitely best of luck to him, would love to see him make it onto bigger and better things down the track.

At the same time though, will be very difficult to do. Freakish genetics or not, it will be very hard to overcome the skill differential when it comes to the crunch.

A lot of those upperlevel gatekeepers even, have been boxing their entire lives, and would just have a massive advantage over him in terms of experience and skill. Will be very hard to overcome i think.

[Anenigma]

Definitely best of luck to him, would love to see him make it onto bigger and better things down the track.

At the same time though, will be very difficult to do. Freakish genetics or not, it will be very hard to overcome the skill differential when it comes to the crunch.

A lot of those upperlevel gatekeepers even, have been boxing their entire lives, and would just have a massive advantage over him in terms of experience and skill. Will be very hard to overcome i think.

Yeah good call will be interesting to see his progression from here, Cisse Salif is capable and is a big mofo, and I am sure he is picking up his skills with J.mayweather at the steering wheel:thumbsup

[ipswich express]

Jazzie Jeff is one of the nicest blokes you'll ever meet. He'll take Bowie as far as he can go IMO.

[Jambo]

Jazzie Jeff is one of the nicest blokes you'll ever meet. He'll take Bowie as far as he can go IMO.

A nice mayweather. Paradox?

Floyd Sr may have a brilliant boxing mind, but i absolutely cannot stand the guy. His corner advice is just rubbish IMO, he pretty much swears and yells incoherently.

[ipswich express]

Jeff couldn't be more different to the rest of them if he tried. He runs a great gym out of Vegas, which I've visited and has all the time in the world for the fans. That being said, so did Floyd Snr, when I caught up with him.

[Jambo]

Jeff couldn't be more different to the rest of them if he tried. He runs a great gym out of Vegas, which I've visited and has all the time in the world for the fans. That being said, so did Floyd Snr, when I caught up with him.

Fair enough... Maybe Sr just plays up the persona for the media, to keep himself in the spotlight.

How big were some of the gyms over there?

What calibre of fighters did you get to see training?

I remember you saying you saw Imbragimov doing a bit of sparring, which was pretty brutal.

Did you get to see any other world class fighters training in any open workouts?? Or do they keep most of those type of sessions closed from the public except for special occasions??

[Anenigma]

I must say Jeff was terrible in Ibrogimov's corner when he lost to Wlad he completely choked and Sultan was on his Pat Malone.

[ipswich express]

Fair enough... Maybe Sr just plays up the persona for the media, to keep himself in the spotlight.

How big were some of the gyms over there?

What calibre of fighters did you get to see training?

I remember you saying you saw Imbragimov doing a bit of sparring, which was pretty brutal.

Did you get to see any other world class fighters training in any open workouts?? Or do they keep most of those type of sessions closed from the public except for special occasions??

He may well do. Who knows what's going through that brain of his. I went to a heap of gyms. The famous Johnny Toco's, Mayweather's gym and the Top Rank gym. That's in Vegas. Got along to Gleeson's Gym in Brooklyn too. The gyms are massive and are light years ahead of what we've got IMO. I was really lucky to get into Top Rank. Had to beg. ha ha.

Ibragimov is a beast in the gym. He blasted some fat overweight kid, like I mean REALLY hurt him. Ronald Johnson is a Light Heavy prospect that I saw sparring. Looked pretty good, and I keep tabs on him. A bit inactive of late.

Caught up with the likes of Oscar, Tommy Hearns, Mike McCallum, Kassim Ouma, Jermain Taylor, Howard Eastman, Joey Gamache and Eddie Mustapha Muhammad on my travels. It was a great trip.

[rusty nails]

At the stage he was at when he left most definitely not...He looked pretty average against Tutaki and showed a hell of a lot of flaws against Fitzy a few months before, especially his stamina and defence which is something Bob has a knack for exposing.

i was at the tutaki fight and i have to agree.. hes very hittable..hes going to struggle when he comes up against people who fight back..
tutaki was even starting to frustrate him, had he hung in there another round or two it could have been a very different result..

[Texan Joe]

He may well do. Who knows what's going through that brain of his. I went to a heap of gyms. The famous Johnny Toco's, Mayweather's gym and the Top Rank gym. That's in Vegas. Got along to Gleeson's Gym in Brooklyn too. The gyms are massive and are light years ahead of what we've got IMO. I was really lucky to get into Top Rank. Had to beg. ha ha.

Ibragimov is a beast in the gym. He blasted some fat overweight kid, like I mean REALLY hurt him. Ronald Johnson is a Light Heavy prospect that I saw sparring. Looked pretty good, and I keep tabs on him. A bit inactive of late.

Caught up with the likes of Oscar, Tommy Hearns, Mike McCallum, Kassim Ouma, Jermain Taylor, Howard Eastman, Joey Gamache and Eddie Mustapha Muhammad on my travels. It was a great trip.

Hey Ippy, what do you mean by light years ahead, obviously they have better quality sparring and more fighters etc. But is that what you mean or do they have facilities that we dont have? If so , what?

[ipswich express]

G'day Joe. Better coaching, better equipment, far better sparring, and every gym has a lot more space.

[Charles White]

he fought cissie zalif in Seattle and won by unanimous decision My old backyard. Nice. Salif has been rather active. Didn't he just lose a decision to Chambers?

[fist]

hey fellas i heard through the great vine that bowie is going to face solis this year..

[buster007]

i wouldn't think so.

[fist]

why not?

[buster007]

he would not be up to the class.

maybe after a few more fights.

[Anenigma]

why not?

How many years has Bo been boxing for?
I can answer that - first fight 06, put on a pair of gloves late 05

What is his weakness?
I can answer that - Skills, why the fuck would you put him in with a guy like Solis?

I can answer that - Either you dont think he can go anywhere and you are looking to cash out (very Early) or you havent done any investigation into who Solis is and you are taking him on 1 veiwing thinking he aint that good!
Whats all the hype about?

Well Odlanier Solis has had 241 amateur fights with 227 wins.
How many has Bo had?
I can answer that - 2 or 3
Solis has also beaten the great Felix Savon on 2 out of 3 occasions about as many times as Bo has had pro fights..

So when you ask why he shouldnt fight him here is your answer.

Odlanier Solis doesnt need to prove anything like Gamboa does because his division sucks and the reason he has looked ordinary (by some scribes expectation) is because he doesnt need to look good yet.

But I can guarentee you when he needs to step it up he will, he is one of those guys that grew up under-privilaged and realised he could have something better and now that he has seen what the world has to offer he is taking his time and enjoying the ride because he sees no threat in the near future.

But mark my words this guy that turns up over weight and looking diss-interested will change over the next year or two to a fit hungry puncher that will take what the Klitchkos Own:thumbsup

[Jambo]

How many years has Bo been boxing for?
I can answer that - first fight 06, put on a pair of gloves late 05

What is his weakness?
I can answer that - Skills, why the fuck would you put him in with a guy like Solis?

I can answer that - Either you dont think he can go anywhere and you are looking to cash out (very Early) or you havent done any investigation into who Solis is and you are taking him on 1 veiwing thinking he aint that good!
Whats all the hype about?

Well Odlanier Solis has had 241 amateur fights with 227 wins.
How many has Bo had?
I can answer that - 2 or 3
Solis has also beaten the great Felix Savon on 2 out of 3 occasions about as many times as Solis has beaten Savon.

So when you ask why he shouldnt fight him here is your answer.

Odlanier Solis doesnt need to prove anything like Gamboa does because his division sucks and the reason he has looked ordinary (by some scribes expectation) is because he doesnt need to look good yet.

But I can guarentee you when he needs to step it up he will, he is one of those guys that grew up under-privilaged and realised he could have something better and now that he has seen what the world has to offer he is taking his time and enjoying the ride because he sees no threat in the near future.

But mark my words this guy that turns up over weight and looking diss-interested will change over the next year or two to a fit hungry puncher that will take what the Klitchkos Own:thumbsup

Interesting post. I fully agree with the first part, regarding sending Tupou in to get absolutely schooled and humiliated against a far better fighter, for probably quite little money in the big scheme of things. Would simply NEVER happen. You would have to be a promotional retard:yep

The part i highlighted but i don't know if I really agree with...

I haven't been that impressed with Solis so far, not as much as i expected to be anyway. He seems quite lazy and inconsistent. What have you seen that makes you think he could beat either of the Kilts?

One thing that casts doubt in my mind is the Audley Harrison fiasco. A guy who was a very good amatuer, heralded as the next big thing, however showed signs early of being lazy and soon enough came unstuck.

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by Anenigma
Solis has also beaten the great Felix Savon on 2 out of 3 occasions about as many times as Solis has beaten Savon.

This bit confuses me.

[Anenigma]

This bit confuses me.

All sorted smart ass:good

[Anenigma]

Interesting post. I fully agree with the first part, regarding sending Tupou in to get absolutely schooled and humiliated against a far better fighter, for probably quite little money in the big scheme of things. Would simply NEVER happen. You would have to be a promotional retard:yep

The part i highlighted but i don't know if I really agree with...

I haven't been that impressed with Solis so far, not as much as i expected to be anyway. He seems quite lazy and inconsistent. What have you seen that makes you think he could beat either of the Kilts?

One thing that casts doubt in my mind is the Audley Harrison fiasco. A guy who was a very good amatuer, heralded as the next big thing, however showed signs early of being lazy and soon enough came unstuck.

I watched Audley Spar Colin Wilson at Nerang before the Olympics and was not impressed with his intestinal fortitude and this was solitified by watching him try an DOG it in between rounds at the final of the Olympics, so although I hold your opinion in High reguard(due to what I have Read) please dont make me feel like a wanker by comparing Audley Harrison to Odliner Solis:-(

Solis is a great fighter and I believe he has something up his sleeve re his career and what he believes he is up against and I believe he is the definate Sleeper in the Heavyweights.
How much would the opportunities that Haye has been given effect him?
Money can only go so far, he has no attachments.
And believe me what he reads and what makes his desire Burn inside him is the opinion of boxing professors such as yourself:think
Make no mistakes he wants to be the best and will have the last laugh:scaredas:

[teke]

But mark my words this guy that turns up over weight and looking diss-interested will change over the next year or two to a fit hungry puncher that will take what the Klitchkos Own:thumbsupI might give him a chance against Wlad (that's a big might) but he wont beat Vitali, i dont even think he would beat Haye in a rematch, actually i think Haye could very well blast him out. I too think he reminds me a lil of Harrison.

[Jambo]

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A nice clip of Solis in the amateurs for those who haven't seen him. Against some guy named David Haye:yep

[Jambo]

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A clip of Solis as a pro. Notice the extra weight, the speed and snap he has lost off his punch, his reduced work rate, and seemingly lazy footwork.

A very different fighter to the amateur version IMO.

[Marcus]

Very nice vids thanks Jambo......

Wow the first fight was great, but what a change to the Austin fight!!!!

He looked so lazy and unfit.

ID like to see Haye chase a rematch in the pros.

[Kegsy]

A guy i will be keeping an eye on in the pro's at Heavyweight is Cuban born Irishman Mike Perez.
Its early on in his career but news coming out of Europe is that this guy is the real deal.
Will continue to watch his career closely as it develops.

[Jambo]

I watched Audley Spar Colin Wilson at Nerang before the Olympics and was not impressed with his intestinal fortitude and this was solitified by watching him try an DOG it in between rounds at the final of the Olympics, so although I hold your opinion in High reguard(due to what I have Read) please dont make me feel like a wanker by comparing Audley Harrison to Odliner Solis:-(


Fair enough regarding mental strength. I realise that Solis is a far more accomplished amateur than Audley also. Reality is, he was the guy being hyped as the superstar to come out of Cuba, not Gamboa at all. Watching them fight also, it is clear that Solis is far superior technically too Harrison, who tried to rely on his physical gifts far too often. Not that Solis isn't a naturally gifted fighter. Just that he doesn't depend solely on his hand speed and reflexes, or size like Audrey attempted to.

Where i see the similarity is in their dedication to the sport, not the way they fight. A problem that generally troubles Cuban fighters when they actually managed to turn pro (Juan Gomez being a very good example). They go to the US, get too comfortable with the lifestyle, and lose the desire. This is where i see Solis heading at the moment.


Solis is a great fighter and I believe he has something up his sleeve re his career and what he believes he is up against and I believe he is the definate Sleeper in the Heavyweights.
How much would the opportunities that Haye has been given effect him?
Money can only go so far, he has no attachments.
And believe me what he reads and what makes his desire Burn inside him is the opinion of boxing professors such as yourself:think
Make no mistakes he wants to be the best and will have the last laugh:scaredas:

I think Solis has all the ability to potentially beat the Klits. But fulfilling it is a different story. They are good champions (now that Wlad has ironed out some of the kinks), who are physical freaks on top of it. For Solis to beat them, he would need to be at his absolute best. Something he appears to be a LONG way from at the moment.

Personally i doubt his ability to suddenly motivate himself. He really should be turning up his intensity progressively, facing harder and harder opponents, and dominating them. In doing so preparing himself for a fighter of their calibre.

Will be interesting to see how he turns out. Looking at the clips of him as a pro however, he doesn't seem half the fighter he was as an amateur. He needs to lose about 20 pounds minimum, and get his workrate back. His stamina in the fight against Haye was superb, he literally broke him down.

Looking at the pro version of him, he has become far too flat footed, far too inactive and just lacks overall intensity, to really make the most of his talent.

[Bentchassis]

Fair enough regarding mental strength. I realise that Solis is a far more accomplished amateur than Audley also. Reality is, he was the guy being hyped as the superstar to come out of Cuba, not Gamboa at all. Watching them fight also, it is clear that Solis is far superior technically too Harrison, who tried to rely on his physical gifts far too often. Not that Solis isn't a naturally gifted fighter. Just that he doesn't depend solely on his hand speed and reflexes, or size like Audrey attempted to.

Where i see the similarity is in their dedication to the sport, not the way they fight. A problem that generally troubles Cuban fighters when they actually managed to turn pro (Juan Gomez being a very good example). They go to the US, get too comfortable with the lifestyle, and lose the desire. This is where i see Solis heading at the moment.



I think Solis has all the ability to potentially beat the Klits. But fulfilling it is a different story. They are good champions (now that Wlad has ironed out some of the kinks), who are physical freaks on top of it. For Solis to beat them, he would need to be at his absolute best. Something he appears to be a LONG way from at the moment.

Personally i doubt his ability to suddenly motivate himself. He really should be turning up his intensity progressively, facing harder and harder opponents, and dominating them. In doing so preparing himself for a fighter of their calibre.

Will be interesting to see how he turns out. Looking at the clips of him as a pro however, he doesn't seem half the fighter he was as an amateur. He needs to lose about 20 pounds minimum, and get his workrate back. His stamina in the fight against Haye was superb, he literally broke him down.

Looking at the pro version of him, he has become far too flat footed, far too inactive and just lacks overall intensity, to really make the most of his talent.

I read recently that could be currently Gamboa's problem as well.

Agree with all that

[Anenigma]

Yeah I agree to, still would be a huge waste of talent if he doesn't realize his potential

[Jambo]

One thing i love about the clip vs Haye, is how Solis adapted so quickly to his style. Haye is woeful against pressure, and Solis just started putting it on, rather then sitting back and boxing with him.

Haye proves that he simply has no idea on how to handle pressure. Whilst its fine to box with the lead hand down from distance, if you have the speed to get away with it, in close quarters you need to tighten up. Fighters like Roy are a great example. He would be very unorthdox at boxing range, but as soon as they came in close he would cover up in a very high, tight guard.

Haye just leaves himself wide open from this position. Did the exact same thing against Mormeck also, which lead to him having difficulty.

If Haye fights even someone a bit limited like Arreola, i can see him getting in big trouble if he doesn't manage to hurt him early on. He doesn't have a great chin, and he won't deal with the size and pressure that Arreola will bring. Could easily see him getting knocked out.

Against a slightly better fighter like Povetkin with a similar style, he would be at a big stylistic disadvantage also. Would be extremely surprised to see him win that one.

[Anenigma]

Yeah I think he realized this in his last, that's why he is chasing a fight with the Klits straight up, if he was serious about dominating at Heavyweight he would be looking for more rounds but it's to much of a risk at Heavyweight, they take shots better and get up and hit hard every shot.
Haye thought Monte's Jabs were like right hands, I think someone like Arreola with his scrappy presure would trouble him.