Roach says BJ will beat GSP if they strike..lol

[chimba]

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I love Roach and he knows his boxing and he's trying to get into MMA, but this is too early to prepare for life after Pac.

BJ Boxing is very good but this aint a boxing match

[achillesthegreat]

I don't think BJ is the best striker ever. He is good but GSP is a quality striker and spars world class boxers.

[AJAX]

if GSP beats Penn and Fedor beats AA Roach should walk around with his foot shoved in his mouth....or wear a Teddy Atlas T-shirt.

[Cameron]

^ thats going to happen gsp will own and AA has a glass jaw

[Polymath]

Don't see whats so funny about this..

GSP got KO'd by Serra and Penn is a good striker, seems an ok pick to me.

[chimba]

Don't see whats so funny about this..

GSP got KO'd by Serra and Penn is a good striker, seems an ok pick to me.

But thats not where Roach is coming from..the guy seriously believes that boxing is all you need in MMA as far as standup. Lets see if AA gets koed standing..then maybe Fedor can fight Klitschko next

[Polymath]

the guy seriously believes that boxing is all you need in MMA as far as standup.

Any quotes to back that up?

Roach knows a lot about boxing, boxing is a part of MMA; whats the problem with him giving his opinions? :huh

[chimba]

Any quotes to back that up?

Roach knows a lot about boxing, boxing is a part of MMA; whats the problem with him giving his opinions? :huh


Thats the gist of the article. If GSP stands up with BJ, BJ will win because hes got better boxing. Forget kicks, forget knees, forget elbows, he will win because hes got better boxing. Hes the best striker in MMA because hes got the best boxing.

[Tyga]

Well if the fight were to stay standing, I would also favor Penn.

[jimmie]

I know it was nearly 3 years ago but going off that you gotta give Penn a standup advantage. Almost all of GSPs power punches where blocked and the majority of his kicks BJ checked them. BJ landed several jabs alot of them where counters to plus he landed several good power punches in that fight. GSPs face was busted up for a reason I got the DVD I fail to see the thumb in the eye it looked alot more like a legit jab and then he hit him with an uppercut the bloodied his nose. BJ is probablly more confident in his standup now coming off his destructions of Sherk and Stevenson while GSP has been gun shy for the most part since being KOed by Matt Serra any guy with dangerous standup GSP has not tried to fool with when they have fought since.

[chimba]

GSP will not stand with BJ. I know this is counterintuative thinking but GSP might seem in a bind here. Stand or not. Sure he can take BJ down eventually, but would he really want that?

We've mentioned that he may not want to stand up since that will give BJ a slight advantage, but would you really be comfortable in BJs guard? I mean he may slide and take your back, who the fuck knows what trick he has. BJs I think got one up over GSP in terms of mind games. Reason why BJ is so confident.

GSP have to deal with the following

He wont sub BJ
He wont KO him cold
He doesnt know what to expect in BJs guard, I mean he almost got gogoplatad last fight.

He might have to outstrike BJ afterall

and lastly he would not want Penn on top of him

thats alot to think about

BJ meanwhile is ok wherever, hes got good standup and hes home on his back

[Tyga]

GSP will not stand with BJ. I know this is counterintuative thinking but GSP might seem in a bind here. Stand or not. Sure he can take BJ down eventually, but would he really want that?

We've mentioned that he may not want to stand up since that will give BJ a slight advantage, but would you really be comfortable in BJs guard? I mean he may slide and take your back, who the fuck knows what trick he has. BJs I think got one up over GSP in terms of mind games. Reason why BJ is so confident.

GSP have to deal with the following

He wont sub BJ
He wont KO him cold
He doesnt know what to expect in BJs guard, I mean he almost got gogoplatad last fight.

He might have to outstrike BJ afterall

and lastly he would not want Penn on top of him

thats alot to think about

BJ meanwhile is ok wherever, hes got good standup and hes home on his back

I agree with you. But let me play devil's advocate.

BJ's weakness has always been his cardio. And with all due respect to Sherk and Stevenson, I think it's safe to say that St-Pierre is neither Sean or Joe. Georges is a notch above both fighters. And this fight with BJ will be a five round WAR. I don't see either fighter finishing the other.

Although no Penn on the mat, Georges has excellent Jiu Jitsu. And his Wrestling is probably the best in all of MMA today. I can see St-Pierre taking BJ down and not getting submitted. Georges can easily win a decision. But will he? We'll just have to wait and see.

[jimmie]

I agree with you. But let me play devil's advocate.

BJ's weakness has always been his cardio. And with all due respect to Sherk and Stevenson, I think it's safe to say that St-Pierre is neither Sean or Joe. Georges is a notch above both fighters. And this fight with BJ will be a five round WAR. I don't see either fighter finishing the other.

Although no Penn on the mat, Georges has excellent Jiu Jitsu. And his Wrestling is probably the best in all of MMA today. I can see St-Pierre taking BJ down and not getting submitted. Georges can easily win a decision. But will he? We'll just have to wait and see.

You bring up a good point about GSPs Wrestling ability I mean we do gotta remember he took BJ down 4 times in that fight and no doubt thats what got him the decision. I feel though BJs training has improved greatly and he will be harder to get down now and while down even if George isnt submitted I score points for the guy doing things the reason I gave that 3rd round to BJ in the 1st bout is because GSP was doing little to nothing while BJ was going for submissions. Im so glad its 5 rounds this time.

[Tyga]

You bring up a good point about GSPs Wrestling ability I mean we do gotta remember he took BJ down 4 times in that fight and no doubt thats what got him the decision. I feel though BJs training has improved greatly and he will be harder to get down now and while down even if George isnt submitted I score points for the guy doing things the reason I gave that 3rd round to BJ in the 1st bout is because GSP was doing little to nothing while BJ was going for submissions. Im so glad its 5 rounds this time.

BJ just has so much natural talent, it's ridiculous. If Penn was in shape for that fight he would've beaten Georges in my opinion. But I give all the credit in the world to St-Pierre. Georges won that fight.

Bottom line, if BJ comes to the fight in shape and focused, BJ wins.

[kingpwc]

bj has been in shape..since the matt hughes fight...he was handling..matt hughes easily...until he gased.....

he then and their realize he was just relying on his talent...and had to be in better shape..becuase thats the only..reason..hughes won...was his lack of preperation

now that he in shape..and quite possible ...won the first fight with gsp....but didnt get win..

gsp..was banged up..and bj...wasnt

gsp knows this and so does penn

so a motivate penn..who...believes he won the first time(aswell do alot of others)...

who wants to prove the doubters wrong....

is a tough fighter

gsp is dope....i like him and his style alot....

but.....

i see bj winnin this.....b4 3rd.....and wont be surprised if its ko/tko...

imo

[jimmie]

bj has been in shape..since the matt hughes fight...he was handling..matt hughes easily...until he gased.....

he then and their realize he was just relying on his talent...and had to be in better shape..becuase thats the only..reason..hughes won...was his lack of preperation

now that he in shape..and quite possible ...won the first fight with gsp....but didnt get win..

gsp..was banged up..and bj...wasnt

gsp knows this and so does penn

so a motivate penn..who...believes he won the first time(aswell do alot of others)...

who wants to prove the doubters wrong....

is a tough fighter

gsp is dope....i like him and his style alot....

but.....

i see bj winnin this.....b4 3rd.....and wont be surprised if its ko/tko...

imo

BJ didnt exactly gas he broke his ribs I have done the same while practicing JiuJitsu its very difficult to compete with.

[chimba]

BJ just has so much natural talent, it's ridiculous. If Penn was in shape for that fight he would've beaten Georges in my opinion. But I give all the credit in the world to St-Pierre. Georges won that fight.

Bottom line, if BJ comes to the fight in shape and focused, BJ wins.


I think even with the cardio issue, BJ has built it in his game not to get subbed. I remember an interview in 06 ina machado seminar.. he said hes falling inlove with JJ again and his goal is for him not to be submitted no matter what you do to him. This was 2 years ago.

Its a great thing to carry into a fight knowing you wont get submitted. GSP can never submit BJ thats as good as fact. Also Penn has a cast Iron for a head, I doubt hes even gotten hurt before. These are immense mental advantages, its almost half the battle right there.

What is GSP going to do? Take him down and lay on him try for some elbows. But note also that GSP will not be able to take down BJ until late 2nd round or 3rd in IMHO. And if you keep it standing BJ wont get as tired.

Im beginning to really think BJ will pull it out just because stylistically and mentally he has so much advantages albeit subtle ones, he seems to have more options.

[chimba]

BJ didnt exactly gas he broke his ribs I have done the same while practicing JiuJitsu its very difficult to compete with.
For people who saw that fight, there was no doubt something was wrong..BJ basically came into the 3rd with his hands down..Hughes making him a punching bag. Anyone who saw that fight was like .."wait wait, what the fuck is going on here?"

I mean if that was just cardio, trust me hed still have his hands up

[jimmie]

For people who saw that fight, there was no doubt something was wrong..BJ basically came into the 3rd with his hands down..Hughes making him a punching bag. Anyone who saw that fight was like .."wait wait, what the fuck is going on here?"

I mean if that was just cardio, trust me hed still have his hands up


Exactly like ive said the rib problem its horrible its much more worse then being gassed out ive been gassed enough to know the difference. When I broke my rib I couldnt even breathe without wanting to cry and I never had to do anything with a guy like Matt Hughes neither. I kinda hope Hughes gets back on track BJ can defeat him agian because although Hughes an ATG its so obvious when they fight who is clearly better BJ has beat his ass like a drum until that 3rd round every secound of there fights.

[chimba]

Exactly like ive said the rib problem its horrible its much more worse then being gassed out ive been gassed enough to know the difference. When I broke my rib I couldnt even breathe without wanting to cry and I never had to do anything with a guy like Matt Hughes neither. I kinda hope Hughes gets back on track BJ can defeat him agian because although Hughes an ATG its so obvious when they fight who is clearly better BJ has beat his ass like a drum until that 3rd round every secound of there fights.

BJ said he would love to fight Hughes a third time, he said who cares if hes a wounded animal he wants to kill him .:lol: It was an interview floating around on YT

[québecwarrior]

St. Pierre has better boxing, and overall striking. He is the more faster on his feet, better handspeed, way more strong, better wrestler, better stamina, better coaches, does not have a glass jaw
Quote me on all that

that's been a LONG time since they fought, and was hardly a domination for fatty in the standing departement.

and LOL at all the comments who say, if BJ is focused and in shape, he win:lol: if he lose that was because he wasnt in top shape
nice way to forget all the talent of GSP

anyway, i've argue a thousand times over these two fighters, I'm tired to do it in my second language.

But this time, BJ Penn will be in the best shape of his life, and GSP will beat him. There will be no more excuse, Georges St. Pierre is a better fighter than BJ , that is what we will say in history.

But i'm pretty sure, we are gonna hear the weight excuse that BJ dont do well at 170, but what's funny when the Penn nuthugger argue over his legacy, they use his fight at 185 vs Gracie where he dominated him and bla bla bla.



If i'm wrong on all the line, feel free to come here, and up this thread. I'll eat my crow

GSP, will take this, either by late round TKO, or a complete domination of 5 rounds.
BJ Will win only one round.
:good:good:good

[ShadowWorks]

This is just to hard to call with any degree of accuracy, GSP is a much improved fighter than he was the first time he fought Penn, Penn is also a much better fighter with more skill and and motivation to train.


The truth is BJ Penn is not a big guy and is not juiced up the way GSP is, I would be very happy for BJ to fight GSP if he was taking as much gear as possible, these gas tanks are not all cardio.

[québecwarrior]

This is just to hard to call with any degree of accuracy, GSP is a much improved fighter than he was the first time he fought Penn, Penn is also a much better fighter with more skill and and motivation to train.


The truth is BJ Penn is not a big guy and is not juiced up the way GSP is, I would be very happy for BJ to fight GSP if he was taking as much gear as possible, these gas tanks are not all cardio.
juiced up?:patsch:patsch:patsch
Go look at picture of GSP, he has the SAME shape since he is in the UFC, he never bulked up.

[jimmie]

juiced up?:patsch:patsch:patsch
Go look at picture of GSP, he has the SAME shape since he is in the UFC, he never bulked up.

Then explain how after years of being a strong fighter now hes super human strong like some sort of robot and after a 25 minute fighter hes barley breathing like hes been shadow boxing for 5 minutes.

[québecwarrior]

Then explain how after years of being a strong fighter now hes super human strong like some sort of robot and after a 25 minute fighter hes barley breathing like hes been shadow boxing for 5 minutes.
he always had a strenght advantage over ANYONE since the beggining of his career. you know, some people have that gift from god to be VERY STRONG. His cardio always was a strong point, always.
He is just a phenomenal athlete whos training as hard as anyone.

[jimmie]

he always had a strenght advantage over ANYONE since the beggining of his career. you know, some people have that gift from god to be VERY STRONG. His cardio always was a strong point, always.
He is just a phenomenal athlete whos training as hard as anyone.

And whos going to get his ass kicked agian by BJ.

[québecwarrior]

And whos going to get his ass kicked agian by BJ.
Will you make a bet with me please?
Man up:good

[jimmie]

Will you make a bet with me please?
Man up:good

Sure.

[québecwarrior]

you had it easy last time with a hockey player of Montreal. Now you'll have a good won, probably related to MMA

[jimmie]

you had it easy last time with a hockey player of Montreal. Now you'll have a good won, probably related to MMA

Like what im guessing some gay ass GSP avatar.

[québecwarrior]

Like what im guessing some gay ass GSP avatar.
you dont deserve that sort of greatness.

Maybe Kimbo or Michael Bisping
I know you loves these 2

[jimmie]

you dont deserve that sort of greatness.

Maybe Kimbo or Michael Bisping
I know you loves these 2

No I wont sport no Kimbo avatar it wont happen.

[québecwarrior]

No I wont sport no Kimbo avatar it wont happen.

:yepBJ will let you down

[chimba]

St. Pierre has better boxing, and overall striking. He is the more faster on his feet, better handspeed, way more strong, better wrestler, better stamina, better coaches, does not have a glass jaw
Quote me on all that
:good:good:good

Im being objective here, Ill even give you all the points above. Even if you believe GSP has better boxing. Its the style, again 2 things. he will not submit Penn, He will not KO penn. Thats a big edge right there, even if Penns boxing is inferior like you said, BJ can KO GSP, BJ has heavier hands and better boxing than Serra. BJ can submit GSP, hes been submitted by Hughes.

GSP can win a decision or a ref stoppage should he get BJ in a crucifix. And I doubt theres a big chance of that

[zizou10-5]

BJ will win, he's p4p the best. He's gonna murder that dude.

[Bill Butcher]

Don't see whats so funny about this..

GSP got KO'd by Serra and Penn is a good striker, seems an ok pick to me.

Thats the way I see it too + BJ has & always has had an iron chin.

Also, as improved as GSPs BJJ is, he will get submitted if he tries the submission game with BJ Penn, BJ is on a higher level as far as BJJ goes.

The only way I see GSP winning this fight is by decision by repeated takedowns, using his greater size & wrestling ability.

GSP will likely be favourite as the bigger man but Im pulling for Penn by sub or TKO in the 5th rd.

:good

[Olz15]

GSP will win on his wrestling and control

[MMAFIGHTER1]

bj has VERY underrated striking skills he moves well good head movement and nice straight punches uses his jab very well. i mean look what he did 2 sherk! ppl just over look it cuz hes so good on the gnd. if bj chooses 2 strike with gsp bj ko's him

[MMAFIGHTER1]

GSP will win on his wrestling and control
that would be his best game plan. his plan should b the same as the 3rd hughes fight up down up down he needs 2 keep bj guessing. i still predict bj knocking him out

[IntentionalButt]

George isn't Oscar, and neither is Fedor. :yep

[PUMPERG]

To me bj will out strike all day, i think gsp going to want to take it to the ground and guess what bj better at bjj, so bj all day just like the first match.

[OuterDrake]

Bj wins via 1st round ko within 1 second.Gsp will try and touch gloves and bj will sucker punch him in unsportsmanlike conduct.

Think about the head lines!!!:yep

[codeman99998]

I don't think BJ has as much of an advantage in the sub department as you guys do.

I'm not saying BJ isn't the better more accomplished grappler, just that a good big guy beats a good little guy. GSP is much bigger and probably much stronger than Penn. GSP isn't likely to get caught in a submission either, being a BJJ black belt.

Sure, Penn is better, but I don't think he can submit GSP without hurting him or putting him on his back.

[québecwarrior]

St. Pierre has better boxing, and overall striking. He is the more faster on his feet, better handspeed, way more strong, better wrestler, better stamina, better coaches, does not have a glass jaw
Quote me on all that

that's been a LONG time since they fought, and was hardly a domination for fatty in the standing departement.

and LOL at all the comments who say, if BJ is focused and in shape, he win:lol: if he lose that was because he wasnt in top shape
nice way to forget all the talent of GSP

anyway, i've argue a thousand times over these two fighters, I'm tired to do it in my second language.

But this time, BJ Penn will be in the best shape of his life, and GSP will beat him. There will be no more excuse, Georges St. Pierre is a better fighter than BJ , that is what we will say in history.

But i'm pretty sure, we are gonna hear the weight excuse that BJ dont do well at 170, but what's funny when the Penn nuthugger argue over his legacy, they use his fight at 185 vs Gracie where he dominated him and bla bla bla.



If i'm wrong on all the line, feel free to come here, and up this thread. I'll eat my crow

GSP, will take this, either by late round TKO, or a complete domination of 5 rounds.
BJ Will win only one round.
:good:good:good
I was wrong I guess, BJ didnt win one round:hey:hey:hey:goodI said it that GSP was the better striker that time around.
Let's go AJAX, Sugarngold, come here and get what you deserve:good

[AJAX]

that would be his best game plan. his plan should b the same as the 3rd hughes fight up down up down he needs 2 keep bj guessing. i still predict bj knocking him out

Well......Nooooo!

[PH|LLA]

GSP was both bigger and the better fighter.

He said something interesting in the post fight interview about how his plan was to wrestle and tie up Penn in the first 2 rounds so that the blood would go up to his shoulders and therefore Penn would lose his handspeed, and then he would take him to the ground and strike him there.

[sugarngold]

Freddie was right to a certain extent - but this is not just boxing. Punching range is different when kicks and takedowns are taken into account. Ranges and timing fluctuate when facing an opponent that not only strikes with longer weapons (kicks) as well as closing the distance to clinch whenever you try to unload with punches. Once the clinch is initiated - boxing advantages are nullified.

We saw it play out perfectly in the encounter between GSP and Penn tonight. Although - GSP didn't use too many kicks tonight. He worked behind a stiff jab instead. GSP unloaded a well mixed arsenal of punches, kicks, and clinches in order to dominate Penn from bell to bell.

[québecwarrior]

Freddie was right to a certain extent - but this is not just boxing. Punching range is different when kicks and takedowns are taken into account. Ranges and timing fluctuate when facing an opponent that not only strikes with longer weapons (kicks) as well as closing the distance to clinch whenever you try to unload with punches. Once the clinch is initiated - boxing advantages are nullified.

We saw it play out perfectly in the encounter between GSP and Penn tonight. Although - GSP didn't use too many kicks tonight. He worked behind a stiff jab instead. GSP unloaded a well mixed arsenal of punches, kicks, and clinches in order to dominate Penn from bell to bell.
Penn had no advantage anywhere, he was getting jabbed easily due to his reach, Penn didnt know what to do, it's that simple, the best thing Penn tried, is in the 3rd round to take him down. GSP just tired him out with clinch. Perfect Gameplan by a great fighter.:deal