Boxer defeats Collegiate wrestler in mma. [Archive]

OuterDrake

01-08-2009, 09:55 PM

younghypnotiq

01-08-2009, 09:56 PM

well obvisouly but i wud like to see the records i mean for all we no its agreat boxer vs a shit wrestler who wrestled at some comunity college

chimba

01-08-2009, 09:58 PM

there has never been any doubt, granted they have a GSP or Chuck TD defense...not many have those and if they did, theyd win 80% of their fights

younghypnotiq

01-08-2009, 09:59 PM

btw this guy is nota pure boxer look at his TD defense and he almost locked on a triangle nd is clearly a pretty good grappler

OuterDrake

01-08-2009, 10:00 PM

well obvisouly but i wud like to see the records i mean for all we no its agreat boxer vs a shit wrestler who wrestled at some comunity college

The announcer claims that "legend has it that he beat Randy Couture"
and credits him for his wrestling credentials.

Williams once a pure boxer.And I'm only implying that they can BLEND just as well.

younghypnotiq

01-08-2009, 10:16 PM

no siht obviously they can. and that announer cud be wrong. and randy couture wasnt evben that great of a collegiate wrestler he was good but not that great

codeman99998

01-08-2009, 10:18 PM

LOL! This fight is great! It proves MMA fighters can never be good boxers.

Look at Williams stance? Way way too square. And he only throws one or two punches at a time? What he can't throw combinations? And his hands, he is holding them too low! What a terrible guy, he could never make it as a boxer...

...unless using boxing skills in MMA is different than regular boxing...?

Beebs

01-08-2009, 10:51 PM

Williams has been working with the best wrestling gym in mma for the better part of a decade, has a bit of a background in wrestling before that, and still got put on his back easily.

Boxing transfers well but not nearly as well as wrestling.

What do you think would have happened to Williams if he hadn't spent all those years with couture? What would his boxing have mattered once he got put on his back?

It took all that work, and yet when it game down to it his boxing still got him put on his back against a newcomer.

Boxing is great, that has been proven by guys like pulver, varner, rampage, and so many others; but without the long road of hard work to develop defence for takedowns, submissions and escapes for those takedowns that you just can't stop, and defence for all the other aspects of striking, the boxer will be just another Houston Alexander getting ground to dust by Thiago Silva.

Even Sakara who has finally developed some of the other parts of his game with a great team is still nowhere near a top 20 spot.

Boxing great, but if it's all you have you will fail miserably even if you get a win or two first.

Add some complimentary skills like takedown defence and you can start coin pretty well, but it takes years of dedicated work to get those skills were they need to be and even then it often isn't enough

Infern0

01-08-2009, 11:02 PM

obviously rigged!

Beebs

01-08-2009, 11:14 PM

obviously rigged!

You are such an idiot, you think the mma forum hates boxing, we don't, we hate idiots like you who think our sport is so easy that a boxer could just walk in and be champion, we hate idiots like you who think that saying an mma fighter would win an mma fight is hating on boxing.

We all love boxing, that is why we came here, but we hate idiots like you who don't respect mma like everybody here respects boxing.

Basically we hate you because you are an idiot who trolls with the same tired old debates that always come down to rational people thinking each fighter wins in his own sport while idiots like you can't accept that reality.

Basically we hate stupid people who not only don't know mma, but who don't know boxing or anything else for that matter

ufoalf

01-09-2009, 01:26 AM

We hate Infern0

Fixed. :good

Primenal

01-09-2009, 02:19 PM

well obvisouly but i wud like to see the records i mean for all we no its agreat boxer vs a shit wrestler who wrestled at some comunity college

C'mon now..."A great boxer." Any decent boxer with some experience...In the first round where he ducked his head and tryed to grab would have landed a jab, uppercut, hook, and the guy would have got KTFO!
There's no secret to a combo like that. Jab when there coming in, he's got his head down so uppercut the shit outta him, and by some chance he blocked the uppercut, he isn't blocking the hook (your gonna hit him with one punch or the other).
As most videos put up by people on the MMA forum..It wasn't much of anything. It did prove a boxer could go in to the MMA, and win a match.
I'm thinking one day we'll all get our chance to see highly skilled boxers (I'm sure they'll get some MMA experience) going in to the UFC to fight competively. Just wait for the UFC to get a little bigger, and pay there fighters more $.
I'm sure even if we do see a boxer elite beat a good UFC guy...Everybody would say he cheated by training MMA before he came in. There's no boxer elite that's dumb enough to go straight to the UFC without learning some basics. All he'd really need to learn is how to grapple. World class hands, and the ability to grapple=I'd say wins 90% of fights. Hardly anyone knees, or kicks...Cept WHC Brock Lesnar ;)

eze

01-09-2009, 02:48 PM

So basically, this boxer was training wrestling and ju jitzu for the better part of a decade?

Spunik

01-09-2009, 04:11 PM

well obvisouly but i wud like to see the records i mean for all we no its agreat boxer vs a shit wrestler who wrestled at some comunity college

If it's Charles Jones (Purdue) he won an NCAA title in 1992 @ 167
at the age of 28 which makes him about 45 years old now....

scurlaruntings

01-09-2009, 04:37 PM

btw this guy is nota pure boxer look at his TD defense and he almost locked on a triangle nd is clearly a pretty good grapplerWhat you talking about fool? Williams has been boxing for years. That guy was a Goldens Gloves champ and a serious talent in his younger days. He also packs some serious power for a guy who was basically a modern day cruiser. I think his last boxing match was against Samuel Peter when he got KO`ed cold with a hellacious left hook.

scurlaruntings

01-09-2009, 04:38 PM

So basically, this boxer was training wrestling and ju jitzu for the better part of a decade?
Williams used to do Judo. He and Lennox Lewis sparred once and he threw Lennox with a hip toss after it got a bit heated during the sparring session.

codeman99998

01-09-2009, 06:17 PM

C'mon now..."A great boxer." Any decent boxer with some experience...In the first round where he ducked his head and tryed to grab would have landed a jab, uppercut, hook, and the guy would have got KTFO!

HAHAHAHAH!

This is so funny! I used the video to prove that boxing effectively in MMA is very different, because long punch combinations aren't as useful, and this guy says Williams isn't a "great boxer" because he won his MMA fight without using a jab, uppercut, hook combination!

Dude was 42-5-1 as a pro boxer which definitely makes him something. Using boxing in MMA is DIFFERENT is the point that should be taken from the video.

rekcutnevets

01-09-2009, 07:24 PM

Jeremy Williams has very solid boxing credentials. I first saw him when TBS showed amateur boxing shows in the early 90's. Williams and De la Hoya were regulars on those programs. They were part of the US's international team.

Williams fought at 178lbs. as an amateur. Williams decided to go for the glamor division, and elected to fight heavyweight as a pro. Williams was arguably one of the top 20 or 25 heavyweights in the world at one time.

Williams looked comfortable on the ground, through some knees, and even tried an apparently illegal elbow. He has definitely been learning his new craft.

notrighthere

01-09-2009, 09:54 PM

Jeremy Williams looks forgettable as an MMA fighter. Hasn't he been training for years, shouldn't he be fighting washed up journeymen and at least try to make a name for himself?

Beebs

01-09-2009, 11:25 PM

What you talking about fool? Williams has been boxing for years. That guy was a Goldens Gloves champ and a serious talent in his younger days. He also packs some serious power for a guy who was basically a modern day cruiser. I think his last boxing match was against Samuel Peter when he got KO`ed cold with a hellacious left hook.

He is saying he isn't just a boxer, and he is right; Williams has been training for years with Couture and still cant stop a takedown.

Thom

01-10-2009, 12:44 AM

Williams used to do Judo. He and Lennox Lewis sparred once and he threw Lennox with a hip toss after it got a bit heated during the sparring session.

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OuterDrake

01-10-2009, 12:50 AM

So basically, this boxer was training wrestling and ju jitzu for the better part of a decade?

Wow make it sound like he has been doing mma for 10 years when in fact
he started in 2004, and this fight took place in 2006.

OuterDrake

01-10-2009, 12:53 AM

He is saying he isn't just a boxer, and he is right; Williams has been training for years with Couture and still cant stop a takedown.

I agree his grappling was not all that impressive,so whats the worth trying to bring up his pryor grappling credits(that hasn't been verified) when a regular boxer would probably look no different in that fight with only 2 years of mma training.JW said openly that he is the 1st deticated boxer in mma.

You'd think williams would mention anything about his background in judo when asked if he had a ground game, but he didn't.

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"I have been working out at “Legends” gym in LA. I have been working on the ground fighting with Eddie Bravo and Jason “Mayhem” Miller. I of course prefer to knock people out with my hands but if my opponent wants to go to the ground I will be ready for him."

no mention of Judo

scurlaruntings

01-10-2009, 07:01 AM

I dont see why this is so suprising. Williams was a professional boxer. His trade WAS boxing. Parttime Judo doesnt count for anything.

Tuffnutz

01-10-2009, 07:27 AM

sitiyzal

01-10-2009, 07:34 AM

If he still can't stop a takedown after years of training he should've already quit.

Tuffnutz

01-10-2009, 07:42 AM

So basically, this boxer was training wrestling and ju jitzu for the better part of a decade?

Don't you even know who he is? :lol:

He hip tossed Lennox Lewis during a sparring session YEARS AGO when MMA was nothing like it is now.

It was for one of Lewis's fights with Holyfield.

There is a documentary about the build up to the fight and you can see Williams toss Lewis to the canvas, then in the end he get's chucked out of the camp because he keeps behaving like a dick.

Jeremy Williams is not a pure boxer.

He was tossing the best heavyweight boxer on earth to the canavs when the UFC was almost dead.

He also helpd Rampage Jackson prepare for his rematch with Chuck.

Chuck had no chance with Williams being one of Rampages main sparring partners.

The best pure boxer turned MMA figthter is by far Marcus Davis, who fight's for the UFC.
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Beebs

01-10-2009, 09:29 AM

I agree his grappling was not all that impressive,so whats the worth trying to bring up his pryor grappling credits(that hasn't been verified) when a regular boxer would probably look no different in that fight with only 2 years of mma training.JW said openly that he
It's relevant to bring up because a guy with years of mma training with even more takedown specific training still cannot stop the shot of a 40 year old ex wrestler with no fights to his name.

If Williams with all that work still got taken down and kept down by such a bad opponent, all this childish and moronic talk of a boxer being able to walk into mma with a few months or even years and beat the best of the sport, or even the gatekeepers of the sport, is shown for the absolute bullshit that it is.

It's like showing Jens Pulver or Chris Lytle knocking out a boxer, which they both have done several times, and claiming that mma is "equal" for "blending" into boxing as pure boxing. Pulver and Lytle were doing it against much better competition too; hell, Pulver was on ESPN.

It is just flat out stupid to think that a boxer is starting off with as good of a chance in mma as a high level wrestler; all the evidence as well as common sense show that wrestlers make better mma fighters and get there faster.

Primenal

01-10-2009, 01:00 PM

HAHAHAHAH!

This is so funny! I used the video to prove that boxing effectively in MMA is very different, because long punch combinations aren't as useful, and this guy says Williams isn't a "great boxer" because he won his MMA fight without using a jab, uppercut, hook combination!

Dude was 42-5-1 as a pro boxer which definitely makes him something. Using boxing in MMA is DIFFERENT is the point that should be taken from the video.

I'm on the boxers side bro...I can't hardly believe he used to be a great boxer though by watching that. Boxers...Throw punches. This guy he had 3 rounds, and never let his hands go at all.

Wilhelm

01-10-2009, 04:34 PM

I'm on the boxers side bro...I can't hardly believe he used to be a great boxer though by watching that. Boxers...Throw punches. This guy he had 3 rounds, and never let his hands go at all.
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Yes, and what does that tell you? Perhaps that throwing punches in an mma match and punches in a boxing match are somehow different? It seems like I've read that somewhere before....

eze

01-10-2009, 10:23 PM

Don't you even know who he is? :lol:

He hip tossed Lennox Lewis during a sparring session YEARS AGO when MMA was nothing like it is now.

It was for one of Lewis's fights with Holyfield.

There is a documentary about the build up to the fight and you can see Williams toss Lewis to the canvas, then in the end he get's chucked out of the camp because he keeps behaving like a dick.

Jeremy Williams is not a pure boxer.

He was tossing the best heavyweight boxer on earth to the canavs when the UFC was almost dead.

He also helpd Rampage Jackson prepare for his rematch with Chuck.

Chuck had no chance with Williams being one of Rampages main sparring partners.

The best pure boxer turned MMA figthter is by far Marcus Davis, who fight's for the UFC.
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Didn't watch the video at first. Didn't realize it was Williams.

If I would of known that I would of said everything you said. Williams is not a pure boxer.

Primenal

01-12-2009, 07:10 AM

:patsch
Yes, and what does that tell you? Perhaps that throwing punches in an mma match and punches in a boxing match are somehow different? It seems like I've read that somewhere before....

Yes, it is different, but you mean to tell me a BOXER would only land one meaningful left hook within a 3 round fight? Dunno if you ever did any training before, but they say "You respond the way you train." That means if you wrestle...Your gonna wrestle somebody. IF you box...Your gonna throw punches. If you do kickboxing..Your gonna kick. I see Rampage throw more punches than Williams.
So, perhaps he was just out of boxing for a while, and that's why he didn't throw. I don't care if it's an MMA fight, street fight, boxing match. If somebody has trained most of there life to throw fists......They throw fists! Doesn't mean that's all they do (he was trained for different things), but it should be up there in his list of responses.