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cross_trainer
08-13-2007, 10:42 PM
JUST on the basis of dominance. Forget how good you think their opponents were on film, or how much of a reputation their opponents made for themselves.
Marciano Frazier
08-13-2007, 11:52 PM
Now, by dominance, do you mean winning easily/convincingly, or just consistently winning against the best?
Street Lethal
08-14-2007, 12:18 AM
Very interesting question. It would take a while to rank them all. How about just a few long reigns and/or lots of title fights:
Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson
Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Archie Moore, Roy Jones Jr.
Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Bernard Hopkins
Jose Napoles, Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilin, Emile Griffith
Roberto Duran, Benny Leonard, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams
Willie Pep, Salvador Sanchez, Sandy Saddler
More later. I got to get to bed.
ajohnfp
08-14-2007, 12:21 AM
I'm sure there are ten guys in every weight class who fought once, knocked their opponent out in one round, and then never fought again. They win.
cross_trainer
08-14-2007, 09:55 AM
Now, by dominance, do you mean winning easily/convincingly, or just consistently winning against the best?
The latter.
cross_trainer
08-14-2007, 09:57 AM
I'm sure there are ten guys in every weight class who fought once, knocked their opponent out in one round, and then never fought again. They win.
They did not do it against ranked opposition, though--a different thing from our subjective judgments of fighters on film. Some of Bowe's wins were not "dominant" because they were against fighters unrecognized by any sanctioning body or Ring Magazine.
cross_trainer
08-14-2007, 10:02 AM
If they were winning against the best than how would their opponenets not look good on film or have a good reputation? And if that's the case we exclude a Bernard Hopkins or even a Roy Jones for the most part. I really can't think of anyone who constantly beat nothing but the best.
Let me give you a "for instance":
Marciano's opposition is considered much worse than Ali's, even though both were facing top-ranked fighters. Norton is considered better than LaStarza, even though both were ranked in similar positions during their periods.
I'm asking you to eliminate the judgment of opponents from the equation in everything but their ranking at the time. The sole question is how many of the upper echelon of the division were defeated.
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