View Full Version : Wlodarczyk - Fragomeni 28 March
andyZOR
01-09-2009, 05:09 PM
Fight is set!
Will we see two Polish cruiser weight champs come the 28th?
Pumpped!
Edit, forgot to mention, its in Italy.
This was also in the article:
According to the promoters of the organization the judges will have to be approved both by the Italian and Polish commissions.
emanuel_augustus
01-09-2009, 09:53 PM
This should be a war. Two fighters of similar style from what I've seen--both forward moving, strong and tough. I think Wlodarczyk is simply more skilled in terms of defense and punch placement, and that's the difference. Fragomeni will land his share, eat more, but that chin will take him the duration.
I say Wlod by UD.
andyZOR
01-09-2009, 10:43 PM
This should be a war. Two fighters of similar style from what I've seen--both forward moving, strong and tough. I think Wlodarczyk is simply more skilled in terms of defense and punch placement, and that's the difference. Fragomeni will land his share, eat more, but that chin will take him duration.
I say Wlod by UD.
Right now im thinking Fragomeni by points.... but you made some good points yourself....
I think age might be a factor in this as well...
Im still undecided for now as of 100%. Im gonna rewatch the Cunningham, Gyruis, and Halasz fights again.
Ill agree to that imo. I said I was gonna pick after I seen the Kraj fight, and I think Fragomeni will win.
Wlodarczyk is a good fighter and hes always in shape. But I just watched Kraj vs Fragomeni (even tho the stoppage was kinda lame) I had the fight 77 - 74 for Fragomeni. I gave Kraj the first two rounds and that's it, all the rest I thought Fragomeni won.
IMO, this is probably a pick em fight. I dunno how Fragomeni does in the later rounds, but I see this either Fragomeni winning by points by about 2-4 rounds, or Wlodarczyk goes ape shit and TKOs him in 11th or 12th. Also you gotta keep in mind, Wlodarczyk is still 27, hes still a young kid. This guy is pushing his 40s....but none the less he did look good vs the Czech Kraj.
Hard for me to descide....but for now im sticking to Fragomeni on points.
He has a pretty good style imo. His bobbing and weaving will cause Wlodarczyk some problems I think. I think this fight will be a war :yep
I wonder if Fragomeni will be the favorite?
GO Diablo!
andyZOR
01-10-2009, 02:50 PM
Michał Koper: Krzysztof, how do you see yourself starting with Fragomeni on Italian soil?
Krzysztof Włodarczyk: How I see it?? Colorful! I see it good, and im going there to Italy to win.
MK: You fought years ago in Italy vs Vincenzo Rossitto, and you managed to win. Do you belive it will work again this time?
KW: Oh of course, yes. At least I am aware, when you fight on other terrain I must show myself the best on the stage and give it my all. I need to win clearly, but im a fighter and I will show what I stand for.
MK: Some fans already are giving Fragomeni the win, just over the fact that this fight will be in Italy. Recently fights there have been stopped there to early...
KW: Im not gonna let this interrupt me and be stopped. Im going to the ring and im going to march forward with all my power.
MK: So you do not see waiting for the double-gard...
KW: No way. Im going to attack. We saw the fight vs Rudolf Kraj, he raises his beard and does not pay attention to the many elements that I will be seeking to exploit.
MK: J How are you preparing for this fight?
KW: Im now with my group leaving for camp in Zakopane (city in Poland), where we will spend 2 and a half weeks, and then we will prepare for the fight and have sparing. I am convinced that Andrzej Wasilewski will do everything to ensure the best possible sparring partners for me. It will be good!
Cruiser1
01-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Winnable fight for Wlodarczyk as Fragomeni is the weakest of the champions. Polish fighters are really making their mark at cruiserweight and I am thrilled to see it. I just hope that there aren't any external factors that keep the title away from Diablo.
catasyou
01-10-2009, 06:19 PM
Guess who else is on the card apparently??
Diaconu vs Branco baby!!Great fucking card.
Fragomeni showed he is a very good little fighter against Kraj, who is a talent himself. If people didn't know he was good in his losing effort against Haye, they should now. Very tough and a good, judge friendly style.
The Pole has a very tough assignment, especially in Italy. I'd rather take my chances in Germany.
emanuel_augustus
01-10-2009, 07:38 PM
In terms of fighting in Italy, no offense the Italians, but when was the last time an Italian champion lost a decision on their own soil.
If we're talking Cruiserweights did anyone see Vincenzo Cantatore vs. Alexander Gurov? Horrid decision.
Cantatore vs. Braithwaite was a disgrace too, good thing it was a tko win for Wayne.
andyZOR
01-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Fragomeni showed he is a very good little fighter against Kraj, who is a talent himself. If people didn't know he was good in his losing effort against Haye, they should now. Very tough and a good, judge friendly style.
The Pole has a very tough assignment, especially in Italy. I'd rather take my chances in Germany.
Prediction?
Guess who else is on the card apparently??
Diaconu vs Branco baby!!Great fucking card.
That is pure fuckin pwnage!
This card is hot already! :yep
It would be pure pwnage seeing two of my favorite fighters win and on the same card! :D
You can expect a KO im sure in the Diaconu and Drews fight, and I can feel that the Diablo - Fragomeni fight will be a great cruiserweight battle.
Also, Kraj vs Fragomeni was a good scrap within itself for all those who havent seen it.
I have the fight too, so if u wanna link i got it on megaupload.
catasyou
01-10-2009, 09:19 PM
Hey check the Diaconu thread on the latest news.Pretty poor fucking purses they got.I mean he made 600k for Henry.
Prediction?
That is pure fuckin pwnage!
This card is hot already! :yep
It would be pure pwnage seeing two of my favorite fighters win and on the same card! :D
You can expect a KO im sure in the Diaconu and Drews fight, and I can feel that the Diablo - Fragomeni fight will be a great cruiserweight battle.
Also, Kraj vs Fragomeni was a good scrap within itself for all those who havent seen it.
I have the fight too, so if u wanna link i got it on megaupload.
I will take Fragomeni by decision, probably the lowest risk pick. Should be close in reality, but anything close is going Fragomeni's way.
Thunder - Diaconu is not complaining. He wouldn't make that kind of money as a gypsy pickpocket :hey
Cruiser1
01-12-2009, 01:39 AM
In terms of fighting in Italy, no offense the Italians, but when was the last time an Italian champion lost a decision on their own soil.
If we're talking Cruiserweights did anyone see Vincenzo Cantatore vs. Alexander Gurov? Horrid decision.
Cantatore vs. Braithwaite was a disgrace too, good thing it was a tko win for Wayne.
The last time a foreign fighter got the nod in Italy was probably Nelson against Cantatore. Johnny won the first 8 rounds and held on to win.
I never got a chance to see the Cantatore/Gurov fight. In fact, the only thing I was able to find on it was a summary of it on the front page of this site and it said that all Cantatore did was hold all night. Was the decision really that bad? I can definitely imagine it to be as Gurov is a decent fighter when he's not getting KO'd early.
Italy.
The land of the worst decisions in boxing.
Sadly, Fragomeni UD is my prediction.
Wlodarczyk needs a KO to win IMO, not sure if he gets it (though he did pull it off against a 20-0-1 Rossitto as a prospect).
emanuel_augustus
01-13-2009, 01:24 AM
The last time a foreign fighter got the nod in Italy was probably Nelson against Cantatore. Johnny won the first 8 rounds and held on to win.
I never got a chance to see the Cantatore/Gurov fight. In fact, the only thing I was able to find on it was a summary of it on the front page of this site and it said that all Cantatore did was hold all night. Was the decision really that bad? I can definitely imagine it to be as Gurov is a decent fighter when he's not getting KO'd early.
I forgot about the Nelson fight. Cantatore was a disgrace against Gurov. He won maybe two rounds. He ran and held the entire fight whenever there was even a chance of even a skirmish breaking out.
Gurov was exciting, big puncher with no chin. Maybe he has another good fight left in him.
rumour24tiger
01-13-2009, 08:47 AM
Italy.
The land of the worst decisions in boxing.
Sadly, Fragomeni UD is my prediction.
Wlodarczyk needs a KO to win IMO, not sure if he gets it (though he did pull it off against a 20-0-1 Rossitto as a prospect).
Think Frago will outwork him and fade late. If Wlod saves something, he can stop him late IMO.
Think Frago will outwork him and fade late. If Wlod saves something, he can stop him late IMO.
You may be right tiger. Wlod is a good fighter, but he has never really taken his game to the next level. Frago is surely aware that the fight is on his turf, and will seek to exploit that fact.
I don't believe that he will throw caution to the wind early on, as a result. But who knows, maybe he gets suckered into a brawl by the aggressive Wlodarczyk. :think
andyZOR
01-13-2009, 03:15 PM
According to the promoters of the organization the judges will have to be approved both by the Italian and Polish commissions.
Hopefully there won't be a robbery.
I think this fight will be a war :deal
Maybe even better than Cunningham vs Adamek.... : p
According to the promoters of the organization the judges will have to be approved both by the Italian and Polish commissions.
Hopefully there won't be a robbery.
I think this fight will be a war :deal
Maybe even better than Cunningham vs Adamek.... : p
A couple Liras later and the Polish commision could send their approval before the judges are selected. This is boxing afterall...
This is guaranteed to be a good fight. I don't think Wlodarczyk's aggression is going to be a problem, certainly not for the ringside fans! I'm sure Fragomeni will meet him head on. I don't think the Italian takes a backward step, he is as tough as nails for sure. I don't see any counterpunching exhibitions or jabs off the backfoot.
This will be attritional stuff, but I just think the toughness and home advantage for Frag will be a key factor. I feel the Pole has to really sit down on his shots in this fight and hurt Fragomeni. It's possible, but he might risk being outworked if he does so.
Cruiser1
01-14-2009, 09:23 PM
I have only seen Wlodarczyk fight a few times (against Cunningham and Mayfield) and the one thing that bothers me is his periods of inactivity. He's a solid fighter and capable of beating some guys but he just can't afford to go in there and throw a few hard punches here and there. Fragomeni's not gonna be the guy to just try and score points when Wlodarczyk's not fighting. He's gonna be throwing serious leather and it's up to Wlodarczyk to try and match that pace. This has the makings of a very good fight. Once again, however, I just do not feel comfortable about the fight being in Italy as it seems to be a fortress that operates outside of every boxing jurisdiction. Nigel Benn, Robin Reid, Wayne Braithewaite, Alexander Gurov, Juho Tolpolla, and a few other fighters will attest to that. Luckily, 3 of those guys made it out with their WBC straps.
antcull
01-19-2009, 04:43 AM
Should be a cracking fight
Fragomeni is a real tough SOB who doesn't stop throwing and I can't see Wlodarcyzk knocking him out. Fighting an Italian in Italy who maintains the work rate and aggression of Fragomeni means the decision isn't going against him. He gave Haye all he could handle and Wlodarcyzk just isnt on the same level.
That said i'm looking forward to see what the pole has to offer.
Definitely a more interesting division then HW at the moment (Haye excluded :D), some cracking fights on the horizon :thumbsup
andyZOR
02-07-2009, 07:30 PM
bump
catasyou
02-07-2009, 09:27 PM
Any undercard news andy?
andyZOR
02-07-2009, 10:00 PM
Not that I have read : <
catasyou
02-07-2009, 10:18 PM
So can you help me with that sig?
andyZOR
02-08-2009, 01:27 PM
yea man ill see.
VanillaKilla
02-10-2009, 12:55 AM
I have only seen wloddy fight twice. Both against cuningham. Honestly i was not too impressed. Albeit steve has a style that makes alot of people look bad. Ive seen fragomeni fight haye and I was somewhat impressed. The man has a great chin. great stamina. and amazing heart. He does lack power though. Even if wloddy manages to beat fragomeni he will just get sacrficed to adamek by brutal KO. in the biggest polish boxing even ever
Buggo
02-10-2009, 08:43 AM
Will be a good fight, I pick Fragomeni by decision in a very close fight.
Livershot09
05-11-2009, 04:41 PM
I've only seen Fragomeni fight twice against Haye & Kraj. From those fights I can tell he loves to mix it up and is constantly moving forward throwing shots.
I've seen Wloddy fight 5 or 6 times and he has genuine power. He's not as active as Fragomeni but he seems to pick his shots better and he'll need to on the road.
I like Wlodarczyk late....10th or 11th round stoppage.
andyZOR - nice column on the fight :good
Looking forward to this how hard does Wlodarczyk punch? His record is full of KO's but i don't see sturdy opposition. Frag was giving haye all sorts of problems in their fight but in doing that i became a fan of Fragomeni he has an all action style i don't know much about Wlodarczyk so ill go Frag UD
catasyou
05-11-2009, 05:46 PM
I'm really pumped for this one.
andyZOR
05-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Ive been waiting for this fight for more than half a fuckin year.
IM SO PUMMMPED!!!!!!!
WLODARCZYK TKO 11
Did u read my article thunder, you Romanian prick!? :p
emanuel_augustus
05-12-2009, 11:25 AM
The word gets overused, but WAR all the way. Wlodarczyk by late round stoppage should be the outcome. Very similar styles for both guys, yet Wlod has the advantage in that he's younger and I think he has just a bit more depth to his game while Fragomeni is a straight ahead, tough brawler only.
Farmboxer
05-13-2009, 03:45 AM
Toss-up.
beecho1988
05-13-2009, 09:25 AM
Fragomeni UD
Looking forward to this how hard does Wlodarczyk punch? His record is full of KO's but i don't see sturdy opposition. Frag was giving haye all sorts of problems in their fight but in doing that i became a fan of Fragomeni he has an all action style i don't know much about Wlodarczyk so ill go Frag UD
Speaking of the Haye v Fragmeni fight, I am surprised the referee did not bother to warn Haye for he was hitting a downed opponent. That was very weird for such an expirienced referee like Van De Wille.
andyZOR
05-14-2009, 01:58 PM
Esa Lehtosaari FINLAND
Richarda Jamesa Daviesa UK
Robin Dolpierre FRANCE
Judges.
TommyV
05-14-2009, 03:17 PM
Wlod TKO11, while well behind on the cards (As a result of classic Italian judging)
what european stations are showing this fight ?
i presume it will be going out on sky sport italia ?
or hopefully rai sport as i can get that channel .
andyZOR
05-16-2009, 12:33 PM
what european stations are showing this fight ?
i presume it will be going out on sky sport italia ?
or hopefully rai sport as i can get that channel .
Rai2 and POLSAT and POLSAT SPORT
thank you very much.
rai due is available in the uk except on champions league nights.
hopefully they will not scramble for boxing.
andyZOR
05-16-2009, 12:38 PM
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Prediction sean?
I am not sold on Wlodarczyk,but I will root for him and think that he will win a point decision on Italian soil.
I very much hope that they wont rob him of a deserved victory in Fragomeni's backyard !
By the way did anyone watch Wlodarcyzk's encounter with Karanevich a few years ago??
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Prediction sean?
24 hours later
i bet my houses/cars/savings/
on a draw at 12 to 1.
if only back to the future was possible.
I wonder why the referee did not count the second time Fragomeni was knocked down. Could a judje score the round 10:7 even if only 1 knock down is counted?
By the way, the fight was quite good. I have Rai Due but I could not get signal on Saturday night so I guess it was not a free broadcast.
andyZOR
05-20-2009, 01:56 PM
24 hours later
i bet my houses/cars/savings/
on a draw at 12 to 1.
if only back to the future was possible.
Most if not all betting sites have limitations on one bet.
So unless you live in a shack, have a hot wheel as a car and have maybe 100 bucks in your savings you probably would be able to bet.
lol
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