Does Prime Tito Ortiz

[québecwarrior]

would beat Anderson Silva at 205?Or lacks too much striking for you?

[jimmie]

Im 50-50 on this. Tito in his prime had explosive takedowns and has alot of strength plus he would have size on his side he cuts about 20 pounds to make 205. No doubt he can get Anderson Silva down takedown defense is his strength Tito could use his strength and bully him pin his head agianst the cage and pound away or just pull of what he did agianst Wanderlei and thats get that 1 takedown a round and lay there basically. Now if he stands for a long period he has no chance and alot of that has to do with Titos confidence in his striking or lack there of and hes very leary of being hit Anderson would KO him with a vicious assault at some point.

[The Phenom]

Anderson by decision.

[ufoalf]

Im kind of wary of Silvas td defense. Dunno if can stop Tito from taking him down and just grinding out for 3-5 rounds. I don't think Silva can submit Tito. If Tito not able to take him down fast enough Silva will pick him apart.

[québecwarrior]

good answer, but I'll favour Tito in a decision. Anderson Silva dont have the tool to stop Tito's takedown.

I would like to see how Tito deal with Anderson's guard.
We all know his guard is fuckin good, but Tito, on top, full guard or not, is fuckin brutal.

[jimmie]

good answer, but I'll favour Tito in a decision. Anderson Silva dont have the tool to stop Tito's takedown.

I would like to see how Tito deal with Anderson's guard.
We all know his guard is fuckin good, but Tito, on top, full guard or not, is fuckin brutal.

Titos Submission game is no problem hes never had a problem defending submissions at all.

[Grievesy]

I'd say Silva. It stays on the feet then Tito gets knocked out. If it goes to the ground I think Anderson is more than capable of submitting him. People underrate Silva's ground game hugely. He is a black belt under the Nogueira brothers. Submitted Hendo who had only ever been submitted by the Nogueira brothers.

Tito is just too one dimensional for someone who is arguably the no 1 p4p in the world.

[jimmie]

I'd say Silva. It stays on the feet then Tito gets knocked out. If it goes to the ground I think Anderson is more than capable of submitting him. People underrate Silva's ground game hugely. He is a black belt under the Nogueira brothers. Submitted Hendo who had only ever been submitted by the Nogueira brothers.

Tito is just too one dimensional for someone who is arguably the no 1 p4p in the world.

Titos Ground Game is whats underatted. He did very very well in the 2001 ADCC tournaments. Then watch him in MMA noboddy really ever comes close to submitting him and whenever he attempts a submission its close to being finished just there thnigs like the bell sounding agianst Rashad or Machida having sweat on his size last year. Tito has been in alot of dangerous guards and never submitted.

[québecwarrior]

I'd say Silva. It stays on the feet then Tito gets knocked out. If it goes to the ground I think Anderson is more than capable of submitting him. People underrate Silva's ground game hugely. He is a black belt under the Nogueira brothers. Submitted Hendo who had only ever been submitted by the Nogueira brothers.

Tito is just too one dimensional for someone who is arguably the no 1 p4p in the world.
he submitted Hendo because Hendo was hurt BIG TIME from that knee.Hendo was already in trouble

[jimmie]

he submitted Hendo because Hendo was hurt BIG TIME from that knee.Hendo was already in trouble

That and he submitted Lutter with the Elbows not the Triangle. Lutter was not close to be choked out he had a good defense for it but he was to weak to escape so he ate some elbows and he made a wise choice to tap.

[québecwarrior]

That and he submitted Lutter with the Elbows not the Triangle. Lutter was not close to be choked out he had a good defense for it but he was to weak to escape so he ate some elbows and he made a wise choice to tap.
:good
But damn that Lutter was in a BAD spot, this motherfucker had a shot to close it in the first round with his sloppy arm bar attemp. He was in no shape, disgusting.

Annyway, every fighter would have tapped from that spot of Lutter. Maybe not Royce Gracie or Penn, but they would have been knocked the shit out

[Grievesy]

Titos Ground Game is whats underatted. He did very very well in the 2001 ADCC tournaments. Then watch him in MMA noboddy really ever comes close to submitting him and whenever he attempts a submission its close to being finished just there thnigs like the bell sounding agianst Rashad or Machida having sweat on his size last year. Tito has been in alot of dangerous guards and never submitted.

I'll admit i haven't seen most of Tito's fights accept the most recent few, but looking at his record on sherdog, he hasn't been in with many of what I would class as dangerous submission fighters, of course with the exception of Frank and Ken Shamrock. He lost to Frank and beat an old Ken three times.

I'll take your word for it that Tito's ground game is underrated. But I'm going to stand with my original post and say Anderson has the tools to beat him wherever.

And I still say people underrate Silva's ground game. As an example I'll use the Hendo fight which I rewatched last night on UFC Wired. Now I like Hendo, big fan, but after watching the fight again I think although Hendo won the first round he did fuck all. Anderson Silva had a feeling out round, and Hendo took him down. Immediately Silva was had one of Hendos legs locked and kept Hendo in the half guard (I think). Hendo couldn't set up some decent ground n pound. And in the second round it wasn't that Hendo didn't stick to his game plan it was that he couldn't. A great example I think of Silva's ground game.

[Grievesy]

he submitted Hendo because Hendo was hurt BIG TIME from that knee.Hendo was already in trouble

A submission's submission mate. Doesn't matter how you get it. Hendo's been in trouble before and survived.

[Tuffnutz]

Prime Tito could never deal with a Prime Anderson.

He'd get KTFO!

[québecwarrior]

A submission's submission mate. Doesn't matter how you get it. Hendo's been in trouble before and survived.
Hendo rarely been hurt big time with black belt in BJJ like he was vs Anderson Silva.
It's mainly because of Silva's striking that Anderson was able to sub him.

Anderson Silva could sub Rickson Gracie too after a couple of big knee ated from Gracie.

[Grievesy]

Hendo rarely been hurt big time with black belt in BJJ like he was vs Anderson Silva.
It's mainly because of Silva's striking that Anderson was able to sub him.

Anderson Silva could sub Rickson Gracie too after a couple of big knee ated from Gracie.

Surely setting up submissions with striking, doesn't take away from the submission. It's a great tactic.

[Polymath]

I'll take your word for it that Tito's ground game is underrated. But I'm going to stand with my original post and say Anderson has the tools to beat him wherever.



No chance in hell. Tito would smash him on the ground.

[Polymath]

The only way to beat someone like prime Tito is to outwrestle him. He only lost to a better wrestler in Couture and the at the time untakedownable Liddell, when he was anything like prime. Tito was a solid 225 and only cared about takedowns; I think people forget how explosive and fast he was before his knees went. Theres no way hed be a macho man like Hendo either. There is also no evidence of Tito struggling wih submission guys, or anythat Silva is some sort of ground wizard, despite his vaunted jiu jitsu belt.

[Beebs]

It would probably look a lot like prime Tito vs Chuck, although Silva doesn't have that kind of takedown defense, but he does have a good enough guard to at least last out the round without getting stopped and eventually get his shots in and end the fight.

[codeman99998]

The only way to beat someone like prime Tito is to outwrestle him. He only lost to a better wrestler in Couture and the at the time untakedownable Liddell, when he was anything like prime. Tito was a solid 225 and only cared about takedowns; I think people forget how explosive and fast he was before his knees went. Theres no way hed be a macho man like Hendo either. There is also no evidence of Tito struggling wih submission guys, or anythat Silva is some sort of ground wizard, despite his vaunted jiu jitsu belt.

He also lost to Frank Shamrock and he took down Shamrock all day.

[jimmie]

He also lost to Frank Shamrock and he took down Shamrock all day.
Tito had only been training and fighting for 2 years and he was winning until he gassed I dont put a whole lot into that fight.

[MMAFIGHTER1]

Yea i could c tito getting KO'd i mean hell chuck did it twice and AS is a way better striker!

[tri-pod]

Yea i could c tito getting KO'd i mean hell chuck did it twice and AS is a way better striker!

but what else chuck had was a great takedown defense. you couldnt take that man down for shit.

[jimmie]

but what else chuck had was a great takedown defense. you couldnt take that man down for shit.

Unless it was 2003.