George Foreman vs. Samuel Peter

[cross_trainer]

Who was the more technically skilled and accurate fighter?

(Nightmare question, I know)

[Vantage_West]

haha thisis now one of my fav threads.

george who was an awful technician did have a jab hat would crack you jaw even though he was a ugly fighter to watch his apporach was far more orthodox than sam peter who switches southpaw ,without knowing it,chases with the right hand and has only after fighting for a title,beating 5 top 20 contenders does he actually get to have a skill set. also clubbing george never clubbd he ball wrecked opponants he just flung his fists towards them in a circular motion.peter just throw punches like he is trying to hammer a nail.

the difference is that peter is only now learning to have a good range of skills where as george just used his iron jaw to defend and tremendous power to attack to win his fights

peter has a guard and was actually dancing around against toney.


he has really iproved an i hope he has a new career becuase of it.

[ChrisPontius]

Foreman UD, if that's even possible. As long as he won't punch himself out he can beat Peter but i doubt he'd stop him. Peter has an iron chin.

[brooklyn1550]

If we are talking about the 2007 Samuel Peter and the prime George Foreman, neither is a real skilled boxer...George had the better jab by far and was a better body puncher. As far as punching goes, Peter probably throws more of the straighter punches, but Foreman knew how to get his body into punches better and without question, hit harder. I say this because Peter has a tendency to throw arm punches and not get his body into them....therefore, I don't think he is getting the most out of the power he has. The thing that sets them apart as well is the fact that Foreman knew how to cut off the ring very well. As far as defense is concerned, neither guy would ever be confused with Jack Johnson, but I think Foreman neglected defense more so than Peter. Peter seems like he is trying to be a more intelligent fighter and use a gameplan in the ring - whereas a young Foreman would simply throw everything he had and come at you with real bad intentions.

In a head to head matchup, it would be an absolute barnburner. Foreman would win by mid round knockout.

[McGrain]

Well the Toney fight was a bit of an eye opener.

That guy probably was more technically proficent than Foreman.

[Amsterdam]

Well the Toney fight was a bit of an eye opener.

That guy probably was more technically proficent than Foreman.

Yes, he has potential and is my current favourite at the weight. Technicality is not just how pretty it looks though.

[Muchmoore]

Peter is more textbook than Foreman. But Foreman was ackward and even though his punches were wide, they landed. He gets a lot of abuse on these forums about how he had no defense and just threw haymakers, thats not true.

[Bummy Davis]

I think although Peter has better form and is less of a wide puncher than George,Foreman had the better power and good jab, a younger Foreman would tire faster than Peter but the ref may have stopped it before than with Peter hurt

[hopkinsfan07]

peter was rocled to the core against wlad


Foreman ko/6

[DaveTheWave]

Peter's chin is overrated. Foreman dumps him by the 4th.

[kosaros]

foreman Ko's him within 3 rounds, i mean didnt frazier and norton have a solid chin?

[ironchamp]

foreman Ko's him within 3 rounds, i mean didnt frazier and norton have a solid chin?

Frazier and Norton had second tier chins.

Peter's has a better chin.

[kosaros]

Frazier and Norton had second tier chins.

Peter's has a better chin.

Peter has a better chin than frazier? you mean the same peter who was down 3 times. Frazier has only been knocked out by foreman, who is always considered one of the hardest hitting fighters of all time.

[Russell]

Peter has a better chin than frazier? you mean the same peter who was down 3 times. Frazier has only been knocked out by foreman, who is always considered one of the hardest hitting fighters of all time.

Nah, no one sane will tell you that Frazier's chin is better than Peter's.

Peter ate some god damned unbelievable shots vs. Wlad and taunted Wladimir on.

Frazier was hurt by Bugner, who's no Jameel McCline.

Down against Bonavena multiple times, blah blah, take your pick.

[kosaros]

Nah, no one sane will tell you that Frazier's chin is better than Peter's.

Peter ate some god damned unbelievable shots vs. Wlad and taunted Wladimir on.

Frazier was hurt by Bugner, who's no Jameel McCline.

Down against Bonavena multiple times, blah blah, take your pick.

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That is not the look of a great chin, and the fact i recently seen a very poor tony thompson last 11 rounds with wlad shows the wlad isnt the hardest hitter in the world.

[SuzieQ49]

Foreman UD, if that's even possible. As long as he won't punch himself out he can beat Peter but i doubt he'd stop him. Peter has an iron chin.


O ya he sure showed that iron chin again B level mccline :lol:


foreman TKO 2

[lfsdan]

Nah, no one sane will tell you that Frazier's chin is better than Peter's.

Peter ate some god damned unbelievable shots vs. Wlad and taunted Wladimir on.

Frazier was hurt by Bugner, who's no Jameel McCline.

Down against Bonavena multiple times, blah blah, take your pick.

Bugner and Bonavena were both monster punchers. McCline has a week punch.

[Russell]

Bugner and Bonavena were both monster punchers. McCline has a week punch.

Bugner a monster puncher?

The fuuuuck? :patsch

[lfsdan]

Bugner a monster puncher?

The fuuuuck? :patsch

Monster is probably overstating it, but he did have some impressive looking ko's. I still believe Foreman faced the heavier punchers in his first career.

[SuzieQ49]

peter is so overated, he wouldnt last 3 rounds vs foreman. foreman would have blown away wlad in 1-2 rounds. i cant believe people actually give peter a chance vs foreman! ridiculous! lyle was 5x the fighter peter is! -peter isnt even a top 4 heavyweight in the world today.

[ChrisPontius]

O ya he sure showed that iron chin again B level mccline :lol:


foreman TKO 2

Back when i wrote that, Peter's chin was as good as iron. Think before you post, Suzie.



By the way, how many punchers did a prime Foreman beat that actually had a chin and could land on him?

Just one, Lyle, and his power wasn't all that. The only guy of any note he stopped was Shavers, who had a glass jaw to begin with.

[SuzieQ49]

By the way, how many punchers did a prime Foreman beat that actually had a chin and could land on him?



Joe Frazier and Ron Lyle. Frazier was undefeated ATG heavyweight champion, never stopped before, amazing knockout percentage and left hook. Lyle was far better in every way imaginable than sam peter.


Just one, Lyle, and his power wasn't all that.

If his power wasnt all that, how come he was the only one ever to legitmatley floor foreman outside of ali(not once but TWICE!!).....even punchers in the 1990s couldnt floor foreman like briggs morrison holyfield cooper cooney.

[SuzieQ49]

Fact is foreman in his prime never was outboxed by an Obese 38 year old middleweight, nor was he floored and nearly outpointed by a 38 year old B level fighter.

[mr. magoo]

I don't think that Peter had anything over Foreman, except for maybe a tad more stamina, but that wouldn't give him much of an advantage. In order for Peter's durability to come into play, he'd have to take the beating of his life for several rounds, before George would tire enough for him to do anything about it. Although Sam has never been KO'd to his credit, he posses some very bad stylistic traits that I think would play into Foreman's hands. Additionally, while never being stopped, Peter has at least shown that he can be floored and staggered by men who aren't anwhere in George's league.

[bigG]

big george wins this handily..mid rounds stoppage..

[ChrisPontius]

Joe Frazier and Ron Lyle. Frazier was undefeated ATG heavyweight champion, never stopped before, amazing knockout percentage and left hook. Lyle was far better in every way imaginable than sam peter.


Frazier relied on wearing his opponents down; he didn't have great one-punch power. On top of that, he needed several rounds to warm up, which Foreman didn't grant him.

So, the only puncher who landed on Foreman was Lyle. And he nearly stopped him. And i'm talking about a prime Foreman here, not the older one who improved his defence, balance, etc.



If his power wasnt all that, how come he was the only one ever to legitmatley floor foreman outside of ali(not once but TWICE!!).....even punchers in the 1990s couldnt floor foreman like briggs morrison holyfield cooper cooney.

Last time i checked, Young knocking down Foreman wasn't fake or a dive, so i don't know why you categorize that one was not legitimately. Young landed a hard, short left hook that staggered him across the ring and a few more punches after that to put him down.

And i'm still talking about a prime Foreman here.


Stamina obviously did play a big role in his knockdowns by the hands of Young and Ali, but whose to say stamina won't be a factor against Peter? As Magoo said, stamina is the one thing Peter has over Foreman. To count Peter out as not having a chance to see the 3rd round makes you sound like someone who was around at that time before he got defeated.

You have to realise the following points:

a) Foreman's defence, balance, technique were horrible, and his stamina/pacing was questionable at best.

b) The only puncher that did land on him nearly knocked him out... other, lighter hitting guys knocked him down.

c) Peter is very similar to Lyle.


Now, to repeat my first post, i do strongly favor Foreman, but i think you can't count Peter out as having no chance as simple as you do.

[mcvey]

Monster is probably overstating it, but he did have some impressive looking ko's. I still believe Foreman faced the heavier punchers in his first career.
Bugner lacked top power ,and Bonavena NEVER KO' D A TOP 10 FIGHTER.

[Privatejoker]

:lol: Has any of you seen Foreman v Chuvalo?

Foreman showed more skills and movement in that fight than Sam Peter has showed in his whole career. He showed a ramrod jab and great power.

Don't tell me an obese Middleweight Toney is more dangerous than Chuvalo. Please.:p

Peter got rocked by Mccline and dropped 3 times early. :verysad

Don't bring up Foreman getting dropped by Young when this is a post-Ali Foreman who immediately retired after the Young fight.

It was exhaustion that made Foreman go down, not Young's power. :patsch

It was boling out there, and he was dropped in the 12th.

Peter was near out in the early rounds against a 38 year old.

Plus Peter showed a good chin v Wlad, but Wlad is not the most attacking fighter.

Wlad was cautious a HELL v Peter. He looked shellshocked everytime he was hit.

Yes McCline is a big fella, but he has never Ko'd anybody worth a damm.

And Ron Lyle hit harder than McCline, and George took everything Lyle could hit him with and still won. :bart

[mcvey]

Frazier relied on wearing his opponents down; he didn't have great one-punch power. On top of that, he needed several rounds to warm up, which Foreman didn't grant him.

So, the only puncher who landed on Foreman was Lyle. And he nearly stopped him. And i'm talking about a prime Foreman here, not the older one who improved his defence, balance, etc.




Last time i checked, Young knocking down Foreman wasn't fake or a dive, so i don't know why you categorize that one was not legitimately. Young landed a hard, short left hook that staggered him across the ring and a few more punches after that to put him down.

And i'm still talking about a prime Foreman here.


Stamina obviously did play a big role in his knockdowns by the hands of Young and Ali, but whose to say stamina won't be a factor against Peter? As Magoo said, stamina is the one thing Peter has over Foreman. To count Peter out as not having a chance to see the 3rd round makes you sound like someone who was around at that time before he got defeated.

You have to realise the following points:

a) Foreman's defence, balance, technique were horrible, and his stamina/pacing was questionable at best.

b) The only puncher that did land on him nearly knocked him out... other, lighter hitting guys knocked him down.

c) Peter is very similar to Lyle.


Now, to repeat my first post, i do strongly favor Foreman, but i think you can't count Peter out as having no chance as simple as you do.
I think you underate Foreman's stamina Chris,it's true he gassed out against Ali,but he was throwing everything for 8rds,at 41 he went 12 rds with the world Champion,never taking a backward step,at 47 he goes 10rds with the world Champion and has the power left to ko him,at 48 he loses a majority dec to a young top 5 contender,In none of these fights did he even sit down. Against Young he suffered heat exhaustion after trying to ko the wily Young,he nearly did it too,in the 3rd and 7th . Foreman was unlucky ,that ,in the 12th he missed a big right uppercut,while charging in ,Young countered,George's momentum added to Youngs punch meant the usually modest hitting Young scored a knockdown .Foreman was up at 1 and continued pursuing the rather negative Young,but lost the dec.I see Foreman koing the rabbit punching Peter inside 5 rds.

[SuzieQ49]

Chris Ill adress your other points later, but joe frazier DEFINTLEY had one punch knockout power. Hell he had one of the best left hooks in history, when that thing landed you went down!! that punch could knockout anybody

[mcvey]

Chris Ill adress your other points later, but joe frazier DEFINTLEY had one punch knockout power. Hell he had one of the best left hooks in history, when that thing landed you went down!! that punch could knockout anybody
I disagree ,who did Frazier ko? He stopped Quarry twice by tko,stopped Ellis twice ,corner retirement ,stopped Chuvalo tko,stopped Ramos tko,and tkod Stander,I don't see one punch power evident in his resume ,old Machen was similarly tkod.Mathis was stopped but after 11rds of hammering on his blubbery frame.Frazier was a grinder ,he wore you down.Bob Foster another victim was beaten by every top heavyweight he met .Frazier was not a one punch finisher against rated men,in fact who did he ko cleanly?

[ChrisPontius]

I think you underate Foreman's stamina Chris,it's true he gassed out against Ali,but he was throwing everything for 8rds,at 41 he went 12 rds with the world Champion,never taking a backward step,at 47 he goes 10rds with the world Champion and has the power left to ko him,at 48 he loses a majority dec to a young top 5 contender,In none of these fights did he even sit down. Against Young he suffered heat exhaustion after trying to ko the wily Young,he nearly did it too,in the 3rd and 7th . Foreman was unlucky ,that ,in the 12th he missed a big right uppercut,while charging in ,Young countered,George's momentum added to Youngs punch meant the usually modest hitting Young scored a knockdown .Foreman was up at 1 and continued pursuing the rather negative Young,but lost the dec.I see Foreman koing the rabbit punching Peter inside 5 rds.

It's probably more a matter of pacing instead of stamina, but as said before, how does that matter? It will still be a factor in whatever fight he has.


As for him suffering heat exhaustion against Young, what about Young himself? It goes both ways.

In his second career he showed much better stamina/pacing, but again, that's a whole different version of Foreman, and i don't suppose we're matching him up with Foreman.



I disagree ,who did Frazier ko? He stopped Quarry twice by tko,stopped Ellis twice ,corner retirement ,stopped Chuvalo tko,stopped Ramos tko,and tkod Stander,I don't see one punch power evident in his resume ,old Machen was similarly tkod.Mathis was stopped but after 11rds of hammering on his blubbery frame.Frazier was a grinder ,he wore you down.Bob Foster another victim was beaten by every top heavyweight he met .Frazier was not a one punch finisher against rated men,in fact who did he ko cleanly?


I agree.

I'm pretty high on Frazier (mcvey will confirm that for you, to his dismay...), but i don't think he carried by one-punch power.

On top of that and him being a slow starter, he was in arguably the worst shape of his entire career when he stepped in that ring in Kingston, Jamaica.

[mcvey]

It's probably more a matter of pacing instead of stamina, but as said before, how does that matter? It will still be a factor in whatever fight he has.


As for him suffering heat exhaustion against Young, what about Young himself? It goes both ways.

In his second career he showed much better stamina/pacing, but again, that's a whole different version of Foreman, and i don't suppose we're matching him up with Foreman.




I agree.

I'm pretty high on Frazier (mcvey will confirm that for you, to his dismay...), but i don't think he carried by one-punch power.

On top of that and him being a slow starter, he was in arguably the worst shape of his entire career when he stepped in that ring in Kingston, Jamaica.
After beating Ali ,Frazier took nearly a year off,understandable as he fought the fight of his life in MSG,Durham probably thought "give him an easy one lets see how he performs"he takes on unranked journeyman Daniels and scores a 4 rd tko[there's that tko finish again ],4 months later Durham gives him another given, tough man winner Stander ,again another tko this time in 5 rds,ok Joe is a bit sloppy and not in prime shape ,but he doen't have a fight against a rated contender to sharpen up his game,he is out there singing with his group,,maybe partying a bit.Frazier waits nearly another year ,then he takes on the big hitting but perceived as crude and clumsy Foreman,Frazier with an extra 9 lbs of suet around his midriff compared to his 205 1/2 for Ali ,walks into the guns of George ,like the Light Brigade at Balaclava ,with the same result,After the first Ali fight Joe got complacent and took his eye off the ball,with hindsight we can see his downfall coming ,but at the time he was the favourite to demolish the green amateurish Foreman.Personally I think even at his best Foreman beats him ,but Frazier wasnt the "Smokin Joe "of the FOTC,when he went into that Kingston ring.

[Chris Warren]

I doubt any sane peron would pick Peter to beat any great fighter now would they? Foreman knocks Peter out in a few rounds.

[Bummy Davis]

Peter never really showed me real power...Jeremy Williams but Jeremy was stopped before that...However the dominance Klitschko put on him leads me to beleive Foreman would beat him...a young Foreman better stop Peter before 8 because that George always ran out of gas and even fat Peter had more stamina than him

[JimmyShimmy]

Heh, look at all those wacky predictions two years ago.

Peter is crushed.

[GPater11093]

Nah, no one sane will tell you that Frazier's chin is better than Peter's.

Peter ate some god damned unbelievable shots vs. Wlad and taunted Wladimir on.

Frazier was hurt by Bugner, who's no Jameel McCline.

Down against Bonavena multiple times, blah blah, take your pick.

Bugner was a decent puncher but he killed a man in the ring and this had an affect on him and he wasnt so aggresive

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That is not the look of a great chin, and the fact i recently seen a very poor tony thompson last 11 rounds with wlad shows the wlad isnt the hardest hitter in the world.

Wlad was hardly gunnoing for the KO he was conservatiive in that fight and the Tiger just ran

[Chris Warren]

Peter never really showed me real power...Jeremy Williams but Jeremy was stopped before that...However the dominance Klitschko put on him leads me to beleive Foreman would beat him...a young Foreman better stop Peter before 8 because that George always ran out of gas and even fat Peter had more stamina than him



Good fucking god. Foreman went 10 rounds with Peralta twice. Foreman did not always run out a gas. How many times do you people have to say that? Every post with Foreman always has something to do with how bad his stamina is like Foreman is the only person to ever get tired.

Foreman has better stamina, a better chin, better power, more tools, better at cutting off the ring, better at working the body. Peter has no chance. Peter gets beat worse than Frazier did.