The perfect style to defeat Floyd is speed and height.

[Shake]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.

[Vantage_West]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.but there is a poinbt when so many shot it's hard to counter becuase there are so many

[Shake]

I know, but Floyd has good defense in the pocket and the ability to time him. I think Williams would be his biggest test, even bigger than someone like Cotto or Mosley, but I'd think twice before making him any sort of underdog.

[Shake]

That's debateable. I personally scored the first match for Castillo, but it was close. But you have to take into consideration that Floyd has fought two matches with a good pressure fighter in Castillo, and having had that experience, is stronger for it.

What do you think, carlito? Is Hatton gonna do it?

[Pimp C]

A prime Vernon Forrest would have been a nightmare for PBF.

[MacManJr.]

A prime Vernon Forrest would have been a nightmare for PBF.Just like he was for Shane. Forrest is very underrated.

[MacManJr.]

Except Shane fights nothing like PBF. Shane is actually pretty limited as far as certain styles are concerned. I personally think some overrate Forrest. He might have been able to beat PBF, but I don't even neccessarily give him the advantage. Floyd has better defense, better counter-punching, and better ability to place his shots than Shane.I said he would give him hell. I never said he would beat Floyd. You are absolutely right. Shane is no defensive genius. He just has a hell of a chin.

[Pimp C]

The perfect style to beat PBF IMO is a tall lanky southpaw with good, defense, speed, jab and pop. Zab almost had the formula but lacked the mental tougness in order to pull it off. Most people won't agree with me but Cory Spinks would give PBF fits.

[Caper]

I don't think Paul Williams has full control of his tools yet and would be out classed by PBF at this point. I could see PBF pop shot his way to victory. I still think well schooled pressure would do the trick, and the only person with that ability at the moment would be Cotto and Margo but Margo is limited in the skill department though he has the size, beard and toughness to make a good fight. Cotto on the other hand creates angles and can trap the quickest of fighters by limiting there movements. Effective aggressivness will always work better than trying to outbox him. Use a jab to keep him honest and then attack from angles that make him reach with his right while attacking his body. You can't allow PBF to get comfortable you can't allow him to counter you from the pocket, the key is to keep him ative allow yourself opportunities even if it mean you getting hit the object to get under his punches because he rarely throws hooking combo's blow the chest. Most of PBF's body punches come from him jumping to the side to land them he does not fully commit to his body punches unless their shot straight and from a distance. PBF rarely sits down on his hooks and when he does that's when you have an opportunity to attack.

[Caper]

A prime Vernon Forrest would have been a nightmare for PBF.

I agree, he was very underrated. He just ran into the wrong man at the wrong time in his career.

[MacManJr.]

The perfect style to beat PBF IMO is a tall lanky southpaw with good, defense, speed, jab and pop. Zab almost had the formula but lacked the mental tougness in order to pull it off. Most people won't agree with me but Cory Spinks would give PBF fits.I think Spinks would give him fits too but Floyd would try to take his head off because he doesn't feel like Spinks can hurt him. He would fight him just like he fought Corley.

[Pimp C]

I don't think Paul Williams has full control of his tools yet and would be out classed by PBF at this point. I could see PBF pop shot his way to victory. I still think well schooled pressure would do the trick, and the only person with that ability at the moment would be Cotto and Margo but Margo is limited in the skill department though he has the size, beard and toughness to make a good fight. Cotto on the other hand creates angles and can trap the quickest of fighters by limiting there movements. Effective aggressivness will always work better than trying to outbox him. Use a jab to keep him honest and then attack from angles that make him reach with his right while attacking his body. You can't allow PBF to get comfortable you can't allow him to counter you from the pocket, the key is to keep him ative allow yourself opportunities even if it mean you getting hit the object to get under his punches because he rarely throws hooking combo's blow the chest. Most of PBF's body punches come from him jumping to the side to land them he does not fully commit to his body punches unless their shot straight and from a distance. PBF rarely sits down on his hooks and when he does that's when you have an opportunity to attack.
Paul Williams could be the one but IMO he doesn't fight tall enough and throws way too many meaningless punches that open himself up for counter-punch oppurtunities. If Paul Williams had a better trainer like Manny that could bring this out he could potentially be the one.

[Caper]

The only problem I have with a tall lanky fighter would be the fact that they would fall in love with trying to outland PBF from the outside and do a lot of missing. A fighter such as Hearns who had the foot movement to go with his power and boxing ability would be perfect but no one comes close a this point and time.

[Pimp C]

I think Spinks would give him fits too but Floyd would try to take his head off because he doesn't feel like Spinks can hurt him. He would fight him just like he fought Corley.
He might but Cory is bigger and stronger than Corley has a better jab and much better defensively. So I don't think he would find standing in front of Spinks as of good of a proposition as you do.

[MacManJr.]

Floyd doesnt get enough credit for his body attack. He would land some good body shots on tall fighters.

[MacManJr.]

He might but Cory is bigger and stronger than Corley has a better jab and much better defensively. So I don't think he would find standing in front of Spinks as of good of a proposition as you do.I agree with everything you said but being stronger doesnt always mean he hits harder than Corley. Plus Corley has a better chin than Spinks so Spinks might not be willing to engage as much as Corley did. I don't think Floyd would dominate Spinks because Spinks is a good boxer with great speed. I just don't think Spinks would win though.

[MacManJr.]

Depending on the fighter and if they are able to keep a good distance with their jab and reach, making it harder for Floyd to get in range for a body shot. If he tried to lean in low for a body shot on Hearns he would be in a perfect spot to get countered with one of Hearns's devastating rights. I am not one to say Floyd gets KO'd easily against anyone, ever, but if there was one I would choose to KO Floyd over all others, it would be Hearns. He would at least win a decision over Floyd.Yeah Tommy definitely has KO power. He better not run out of gas down the stretch though because I have never seen Floyd get tired. I won't even go as far as saying he'll beat Tommy but it is a good debate to be had. Imagine if Floyd had Judah's power.

[Caper]

Floyd doesnt get enough credit for his body attack. He would land some good body shots on tall fighters.

At times he shows a great ability to attack the body though he has never truly dedicated his offense to it. Against Zab he used it to sap Zab's energy and slow him down. Some of the body attacks resembled pop shots but he did sit down on them and they did take effect. Once thing you won't see him do is hit someone witha three or four body shot attack sitting down on each shot, it would leave him most vulnerable and that is something PBF does not do and that's allowing himself to leave himself vulnerable.

[brooklyn1550]

Paul Williams would be an interesting matchup as would Vernon Forrest. The only pressure fighter right now that I would give a decent chance to is Miguel Cotto.

[Asterion]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.


I think that the perfect style to defeat Floyd (at 147 or 154) is someone with speed and stamina. Not neccessarily tall. Look at Judah...he was outboxing Floyd in the first 4 rounds of their fight, but the pace was too much and he couldn't continue fighting like that in the next rounds.

[Irish Steel]

Zab had speed,but look what happened to him. HAtton will beat floyd. ANd im willing to bet on it.

[cdub1012]

i thnk DLH had the right stratagy to beat PBF but he abandoned his jab ...when it was working really well... i dunno why......but i thnk the best way to beat floyd is a very good jab... then combos an cuttting off the ring jus to overwhelm him an keep the pressure up... cuz PBF like to throw 1 shot at a time so he would lose rounds an u could possibly land a goodshot

[sonny73]

Many styles and strategies could beat Mayweather he isn't unbeatable,its just he has been very careful who he has chosen as opponents as he has moved up in weight,and none have been good enough.Spinks hit and run at LM,Williams at WW ans Hatton at LW all have good chances of beating him but once again Mayweathers people have been pretty clever in challenging Hatton at 147

[Pimp C]

i thnk DLH had the right stratagy to beat PBF but he abandoned his jab ...when it was working really well... i dunno why......but i thnk the best way to beat floyd is a very good jab... then combos an cuttting off the ring jus to overwhelm him an keep the pressure up... cuz PBF like to throw 1 shot at a time so he would lose rounds an u could possibly land a goodshot
He didn't abandon anything PBF took it away.:deal

[Tettsuo]

how?
Movement and counterpunching.

[Pimp C]

Movement and counterpunching.
Exactly you beat me to it.:good

[Pimp C]

he was moving and countering when Dela was jabbing as well..

what did MAyo do to take Dela jab away? cuz he abandond it at times in that fight as well
He didn't need to use his jab as much against someone as easy to find as Mayo.

[jlrivera81]

I'd say effective pressure and lots of stamina are the best to beating floyd. Cotto has exactly those 2 things. DLH showed that mayweather can be hit on the ropes. The only problem was that DLH couldnt maintain that pressure for a full 12 rounds. Well, it just so happens that Cotto is the best pressure fighter out there and he gets stronger as the fight progresses. Not only that, but he cuts off the ring much better than an older DLH with no stamina.

[Grabonator]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.

Well, Hatton is verry fast but hes short, shorter than Mayweather. And Floyd is also the better technician of the two. Should be clear whos the favourite in this one. i would be suprised if hatton wins this. But i dont think height has much to do with it. If Hatton would be a powerfull puncher he would have a better chance but he isnt, hes an volume puncher or flurry puncher, his one punch power is not better than Mayweathers. I would be suprised if hatton would land manny of his flurry attacks on Mayweather.

[Tettsuo]

he was moving and countering when Dela was jabbing as well..

what did MAyo do to take Dela jab away? cuz he abandond it at times in that fight as well
Mayweather's movement started to be more effective over the course of the fight, mostly cause he started figuring Dela out. Mayweather would create some space and as Dela closed the gap, PBF would attack and move again. That made it tough for Dela to use the jab. If he did toss the jab out there and miss, he knew Mayweather would be fast enough to counter him. So instead, he was trying to bull his way in.

As for Mayo, no need to jab at all. He didn't need to try to find him as Mayo's defense is crap.

[Jinx]

i still say Cory Spinks is the hardest fight for PBF...he's taller, just as fast at 154, and is a good technician...i still want to see this fight...

[platnumpapi]

man i dont see no one trick poneys beating pbf.if you only do one thing well then you are not going to beat him.i dont care if you are strong or fast or high volume puncher.

its going to take a versatile fighter to beat him, one complete boxer can beat another.alot of these boxers he is fighting and is going to can only do one thing well and thats what i mean by a one trick poney.

someone gone have to slug and box.inside and outside.they should have some great defense as well and there own speed.pbf can do a little bit of everthing and thats what it will take to beat him, someone who can do a little bit of everthing.

not even a little bit it will take a lot of bit of everthing to really beat him.there are styles that might make a fight look close but to really beat him and do it soundly you will have to be a complete fighter like him.

[jlrivera81]

I agree platinum. That's why I think Cotto can do it. people keep saying Cotto is one-dimensional, but he isnt. Obviously he is a great combination puncher who has strength/power in both hands. But he also has quick hands, he is a very underrated boxer who cuts off the ring well, and he also has underrated defense. I'd say outside of an aging Mosley, Cotto is the most complete fighter in the welterweight divsion not named Floyd Mayweather.

[jlrivera81]

paul williams and vernon forrest have the best chance at beating floyd. williams huge punch output would give mayweather problem and probably lead to war - THIS FIGHT I WANT TO SEE. and vernon's speed, height, movement and all-around boxing skills is enough to give anyone hell, including a technician like floyd. like i said, i think vernon is a prettier boxer than pretty boy.

As far as styles are concerned, it would be an intriguing match up if he fought forrest, but as far as legacy is concerned it would do nothing if he fought Williams for Forrest right now. The only fight that needs to be made right now is Floyd vs Cotto/mosley after he beats hatton

Forrest is another fighter who is past his prime, so if floyd wins, it doesnt matter that much.

[platnumpapi]

I agree platinum. That's why I think Cotto can do it. people keep saying Cotto is one-dimensional, but he isnt. Obviously he is a great combination puncher who has strength/power in both hands. But he also has quick hands, he is a very underrated boxer who cuts off the ring well, and he also has underrated defense. I'd say outside of an aging Mosley, Cotto is the most complete fighter in the welterweight divsion not named Floyd Mayweather.

well i respect his power, to me his speed his good.i dont think he is fast i dont think he is slow.the combos he throws are nothing special either.cotto to me is a one trick guy, you know what hes going to do
the problem is can u stop him from doing it.

lots of people are comparing hatton to druan but cotto is more like a duran then hatton.cotto vs pbf would be a great fight.i just dont think he has enuff to beat pbf.

i just think he will crowd pbf like everyone does and swing for the fences.

[jlrivera81]

Platinum I agree with the duran analogy, but let me ask you this. By swinging for the fences, what do you mean. B/c I feel that Cotto would pin FLoyd up into the ropes and bash away at every part of his body. Cotto doesnt care for the face, although you couldnt tell by the way his opponents look after every fight. I think he could hurt floyd to the body, the arms, the shoulders, etc....Cotto doesnt miss when he has people against the ropes. Compubox may not count many of the punches b/c they are not catching body or head, but they are definitely hurting every other part of the body, which would make a huge difference in the later rounds. Can you imagine lifting your arms to punch after having your shoulders being battered for 30 minutes.

[jlrivera81]

Also, his combos are not impressive, but they are effective. and you're right, all of his opponents know exactly what he is going to do, but they havent been able to stop him. Can PBF do it. perhaps, we'll wait and see.

[charlievint]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.

I agree!

[MacManJr.]

Tommy gassed down the line more due to punishment than anything. I see no way Floyd can hurt Tommy or land too many clean shots without paying. Hearns has the ability to KO Floyd and outbox him. In his first fight with Leonard, he took punishment, and was mowed down in the 13th. In a 12 rounder, Floyd doesn't have the power or ability to take Tommy's shots like Leonard did. I don't see much of a chance for Floyd in this one.What makes you think Sugar Ray can take any more punishment than Floyd?

[MacManJr.]

At times he shows a great ability to attack the body though he has never truly dedicated his offense to it. Against Zab he used it to sap Zab's energy and slow him down. Some of the body attacks resembled pop shots but he did sit down on them and they did take effect. Once thing you won't see him do is hit someone witha three or four body shot attack sitting down on each shot, it would leave him most vulnerable and that is something PBF does not do and that's allowing himself to leave himself vulnerable.Good post

[djrock247]

Castillo had neither and he beat him :lol:

You had me second guessing myself for a second there Carlito. I checked on boxrec and apparently PBF's record shows no "L's" anywhere. Perhaps the site you're using has a typo somewhere?

[MacManJr.]

no, I watched the fight. I recommend you do the same. :good:rofl :rofl :rofl

[pit]

The best style to beat floyd is a strong south paw and hears Why .. every south paw floyd has faced he was force to slug and, the reason I think he was forced to slug is he has issues with south paws, meaning that he can't see every punch coming from that stance namely the right hook that comes out side his vision.
In each fight he had with a south paw floyd was Always nailed with the right Hook from the south paw stance and nailed solid..

Floyd almost always bends to his left to get away from his opponents punches namely the the jab and the straight of a conventional fighter ,but against a south paw he doesn't have that luxury because bending to his left puts him directly in the lane of a south paw lead hand and the fact the south paw is moving in that direction.

floyd is dipping to his left exposing his head from an unseen punch, not only that but the south paw stance takes way from floyd countering with his right hand the same way he does with a convectional fighter.

In his fights with Zab , Corley and Mitch he chose to slug with these guy in order to keep them in front of him, each time he tried to box these guys he got nailed with the right hook. I think if floyd fought a south paw that would not allow Floyd to be bully them backward as he did Zab , corley and Mitch , Floyd would have major issues.


just my take on it.

[MacManJr.]

WHEN did he slug against Judah?

man, just poke yourself in the eyes and call it a day :patschWhat is your definition of slugging?

[MacManJr.]

go watch a GATTI fightYou do realize you are allowed to make someone miss while slugging right? Why take punches you don't have to take? Floyd stood in front of Zab all night but of course he's not gonna trade punches with him. That would be stupid.

[MacManJr.]

great thanks for that .. :bbb

Floyd didnt slug with Judah ..No but he was in striking range the entire fight. That's all I'm saying. Floyd is my favorite fighter but I speak with some sense and use logic. Now he did slug it out with Corley. You can't deny that.

[pit]

WHEN did he slug against Judah?

man, just poke yourself in the eyes and call it a day :patsch


why are you even responding to my post it totally over your head.

Floyd played the part of the slugger meaning he used a high guard and pressed forward using pressure the run Zab tank low while going to his body .

[Napuis]

I don't think simple pressure will do it, or body-punching, or making him fight three minutes of every round. He's a very well-conditioned athlete that's even a little bit smarter now than he was when he first fought Jose Luis Castillo.

We need to find ourselves some Hearns. Paul Williams most resembles him, but he gives a lot of punches to counter.

Still, the best way to beat a technician is a taller technician.

Hatton needs to do a Duran Leonard I on his arrogant ass.

[Napuis]

go look at Corely's KO%..

THATS why he chose to "slug" with Corley

What about Gatti - he humiliated that cunt like a fucking human punchbag or some chump ass sparring partner.

[Outboxer]

Problem being that Mayweather, unlike Leonard, won't go flat-footed and slug with Hatton, and so if anything, it can only be compared to the Duran/Leonard rematch.

I think Hearns definitely would beat Floyd, but he's one of a kind. I've never seen such a combination of height, reach, blistering speed and power and technical boxing ability.

[MacManJr.]

go look at Corely's KO%..

THATS why he chose to "slug" with CorleyExactly. It's stupid to slug with a certified banger.

[MacManJr.]

First of all, Floyd is A LOT more defensive than Leonard. Leonard, even while taking the punishment and huge punches from Hearns(one of the hardest punchers ever pound for pound) was mowing him down and kept coming, actually able to take everything Hearns dished out, and eventually finished him off. Against power much less than Hearns we have seen Floyd play an all defense match, such as DLH and even Baldomir. Against Hearns, no way in hell he plays the roll of the aggressor late and takes the punishment just to dole it out like Leonard did. He gets rocked by Corley, no way he's going toe to toe with Hearns, and no way he's beating him. He doesn't have it in his game.Trust me I know he wouldnt go toe to toe with him but Floyd would be harder for Tommy to hit than Ray was. Don't get me wrong though. I am in no way saying Floyd is better than Sugar Ray. He has a lot more work to do if he wants people to say that. Then the guys he's fighting now will have to go on to be legends like Hagler and Tommy. This legacy shit is tough.

[JMotrain]

Paul Williams, Cotto, Margarito, SSM, Cintron all would have a good shot at beating Mayweather.

Mayweather's offense is his defense and against Margatiro, Cotto, and Cintron he would be too cautious, against Williams he wouldn't be busy enough, and against Mosley he would probably get outboxed.

I'd say Williams and Cotto would have the best shots at winning clearly, while Floyd would make it an ugly enough fight that he would probably beat the other fighters on my list.

Floyd will beat Hatton, but he better not give away too many rounds.

[Boxfan1]

I think you beat floyd by cheating. You grab and hit and headbutt and elbow him every chance you get. Piss him off. Make him offensive rather than defensive. Low blows also help.

[Metal Man]

My favorite fighter of the 90's,and i dont say it with any hint of bias Koysta Zoo would beat Mayweather.Zoo for me,in his prime when putting all the intangibles he posessed together,speed,defence,patience and bone crunching power would have too much in his arsenal for PBF.He would either knock Floyd out or control the ring pushing Floyd back with patient pressure landing fast and hard enough to gain the respect and even make Floyd tentative of exchanging taking enough rounds to win a ud descision.Either way,Zoo would control the fight on his terms.

[igotJUIC3]

My favorite fighter of the 90's,and i dont say it with any hint of bias Koysta Zoo would beat Mayweather.Zoo for me,in his prime when putting all the intangibles he posessed together,speed,defence,patience and bone crunching power would have too much in his arsenal for PBF.He would either knock Floyd out or control the ring pushing Floyd back with patient pressure landing fast and hard enough to gain the respect and even make Floyd tentative of exchanging taking enough rounds to win a ud descision.Either way,Zoo would control the fight on his terms.

this is completely biased....Zu's arsenal are you serious....Zu is good but having TOO MUCH an arsenal is bullshyt....he damn sure didnt show an arsenal when Hatton damn near body bagged his as.....and i dont wanna hear shyt about being washed up cus his ass didnt even finish the fight....so to me....his heart is in question....but JMO!

[Fab2333]

Except Shane fights nothing like PBF. Shane is actually pretty limited as far as certain styles are concerned. I personally think some overrate Forrest. He might have been able to beat PBF, but I don't even neccessarily give him the advantage. Floyd has better defense, better counter-punching, and better ability to place his shots than Shane.:deal:thumbsup

[Shake]

Floyd has never faced a significantly taller technician with speed. How does this thread not make sense?

I agree with you that Hearns would be a nightmare for anybody. Even Sugar Ray Robinson would need his power. In my opinion, you simply don't outbox Hearns at welterweight.