Taylor ducking Froch big time

[robpalmer135]

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[kurt2006]

All the SMW's are bricking their pants since the Cobra got the WBC belt.

[Thomasl19]

Who will defend his belt against if taylor wont fight him?

[kurt2006]

Peter Manfredo, Bika, Mundine and the nobs from Germany, I would love to see the Cobra retire Markus Beyer for good.

[ishy]

Who will defend his belt against if taylor wont fight him?


WBC top 15 @168:
1. Jermain Taylor
2. Andre Dirrell
3. Andre Ward
4. Marcus Johnson
5. Jean Pascal
6. Sakio Bika
7. Anthony Mundine
8. Alejandro Berrio
9. Vitaly Tsypko
10. Robert Stieglitz
11. Stanislav Kashtanov
12. Jeff Lacy
13. Karo Murat
14. Mads Larsen
15. Carlos De Leon Jr

or one of the other champions.

[Killer Instinct]

is he?

[SouthpawSlayer]

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it sounds like he is but taylor beats froch

[onourway]

Pascal = Lacy
Taylor = Kessler

If Froch deals with Taylor, he only has to beat up two old men and he has a resume that is the equal of Calzaghe.

[SouthpawSlayer]

Pascal = Lacy
Taylor = Kessler

If Froch deals with Taylor, he only has to beat up two old men and he has a resume that is the equal of Calzaghe.

well calzaghe's resume as we all know is terribly weak, bhop would execute froch

[Kid Lucky]

I read hbo want Taylor Wright and don't want nothing to do with Taylor Froch .

Taylor Wright II?! I'd forgotten that they even fought in the first place. No disrespect to Winky who was a great craftsman in his prime but what's he done for the last 2 years to make punters interested in this fight bar having a name that they might recognise.

They are definitely dodging the Cobra, can't blame them I suppose but Taylor's always seemed pretty prepared to take on the best in the past.

[dan-b]

Why does anyone need to be dodging anyone? What has Taylor ever done during his career to suggest he's a "ducker"? Get some perspective people.

[Beatboxer]

Why does anyone need to be dodging anyone? What has Taylor ever done during his career to suggest he's a "ducker"? Get some perspective people.

Taylor who has fought Pavlik twice, Hopkins twice, WW and Jeff Lacy is afraid of and ducking Froch :lol:

I think the most obvious explanation is that it simply doesn't make financial sense for him...I'd imagine that the big TV networks over there aren't overly enamoured at the thought of screening an unknown Brit...

That being said, I would like to see the fight. We do not to consider these things though.

[jc]

Might aswel go for Dirrell or Ward...

[dan-b]

Taylor who has fought Pavlik twice, Hopkins twice, WW and Jeff Lacy is afraid of and ducking Froch :lol:

I think the most obvious explanation is that it simply doesn't make financial sense for him...I'd imagine that the big TV networks over there aren't overly enamoured at the thought of screening an unknown Brit...

That being said, I would like to see the fight. We do not to consider these things though.

HBO don't care about the alphabets either, they haven't mentioned them for years. They're not going to spend their budget on a Froch Taylor fight just because the WBC say so. It has to make financial sense for them.

I too would like to see the fight though. I thoroughly enjoyed the Froch Pascal brawl. Froch would have tighten up his defence against Taylor though otherwise he'll have his ears boxed off.

["TKO"]

Why does anyone need to be dodging anyone? What has Taylor ever done during his career to suggest he's a "ducker"? Get some perspective people.

I don't think Taylor is a ducker and if he wants to have a couple of tune-up fights at the weight first its his prerogative. I am not sure this fight will come off, however, Taylor seems to want everything on his terms, i.e. Froch has to come to North America. He pulled a similar stunt by pulling out of the Eastman fight when it was decided that it would be in Sheffield. I think Froch would go to the States, but they'd have to make it worth his while and I'm not sure HBO would be prepared to put enough money into it to do so.

The problem Taylor has is what are his other options? Kessler, Bute or the Hungarian guy, none of whom are US-based and therefore they're going to have to put up the money if they want to get him a title shot. Otherwise, he's in danger of fading into irrelevance fighting round-robins with domestic level opposition.

["TKO"]

HBO don't care about the alphabets either, they haven't mentioned them for years. They're not going to spend their budget on a Froch Taylor fight just because the WBC say so. It has to make financial sense for them.

I too would like to see the fight though. I thoroughly enjoyed the Froch Pascal brawl. Froch would have tighten up his defence against Taylor though otherwise he'll have his ears boxed off.

Agreed, I think Taylor would beat Froch, though the Cobra would have the puncher's chance. Hopefully the fight happens though. Maybe Taylor's thinking is that the old "mutual opponent" trick gives a means of comparison. Who knows, maybe they're even hoping Pascal gives him a tought fight so they can say "look Froch must be good" and hype him up a bit.

[Grant1]

Froch is dangerous and he isn't really an attractive draw.

Not a good mix to get big fights unfortunately.

[rumour24tiger]

Froch is the most US marketable of the super middle champs. Yanks like aggressive punchers who are willing to take one to land one. They also like cocky guys, and Froch is the only champ with English as his main language. I am pretty sure, if Froch blows some decent fighter away in his 1st defence, ppl will start talking, and they'll talk more about the Pascal war, etc.

Kessler - apparently needs 2009 to get known in America. Perhaps Kessler-Taylor by the end of the year.
Balzsay - first, he's a bloody good southpaw, 2nd, can anyone pronounce his name, 3rd, how many contenders fancy a trip to Germany?
Bute - having an easy fight, then has to convince vs Andrade. Draws big crowds in Canada, so another one to travel for.

[rumour24tiger]

HBO don't care about the alphabets either, they haven't mentioned them for years. They're not going to spend their budget on a Froch Taylor fight just because the WBC say so. It has to make financial sense for them.

I too would like to see the fight though. I thoroughly enjoyed the Froch Pascal brawl. Froch would have tighten up his defence against Taylor though otherwise he'll have his ears boxed off.
Taylor gunning to be 2-weight champ vs the most exciting of the 168 champs make financial sense?

or Taylor v Pascal makes more sense?

If Showtime give Taylor that late March date, for a fight no one needs, they are mugs.

[rumour24tiger]

WBC top 15 @168:
1. Jermain Taylor
2. Andre Dirrell
3. Andre Ward
4. Marcus Johnson
5. Jean Pascal
6. Sakio Bika
7. Anthony Mundine
8. Alejandro Berrio
9. Vitaly Tsypko
10. Robert Stieglitz
11. Stanislav Kashtanov
12. Jeff Lacy
13. Karo Murat
14. Mads Larsen
15. Carlos De Leon Jr

or one of the other champions.That is a nice list of contenders. Hopefully the WBC give the shot to the next guy/the next guy that will take it.

[rumour24tiger]

I read hbo want Taylor Wright and don't want nothing to do with Taylor Froch .
There is one problem, Wright backed out didn't he?

[dan-b]

Taylor gunning to be 2-weight champ vs the most exciting of the 168 champs make financial sense?

or Taylor v Pascal makes more sense?

If Showtime give Taylor that late March date, for a fight no one needs, they are mugs.

Has Taylor v Pascal been formally announced yet?

[robpalmer135]

nothing been announced.

apparnetly froch tunred down a date on showtime to fight taylor. march 28th.

[rumour24tiger]

Froch can't make the date as he can't fight til Apr, so it looks like Tayor wants to keep the date and get the TV money. Thus delaying his own title shot, and if he's planning on fighting a top 5 WBC contender - Pascal - I would presume he wants the title shot.

Silly, near pointless and I hope it doesn't go ahead.

[cityofgod]

Let's say Froch's rib and general physique needs a bit of a rest (afterall, he was in a 12 round WAR carrying a busted rib and perforated ear drum) - then who's to tell him to have January and February off ?

Even if it is the case that Froch is wanting an April date, which he has said what he would like to return, then I side with him.

To go straight into another hard camp of sparring running and hitting the bags after only taking off half of december and then January (a month prob filled with doing interviews and so on) could hinder his chances of winning.

I want Froch to be bang on for his fight with Taylor - and I think that if he did say March was too soon (which i agree with) then Taylor will use this as a chance to take a piss easy fight with Brian Vera-type opponent and then duck Froch for the rest of 2009.

The Pascal fight was gruelling for him I imagine. You must need to get geared up to go into the trenches after what, only 15 or 16 weeks (of which half was spent in training again) with someone at least as good as Pascal was.

Its his American debut in essence - he needs to be tip top for it.

["TKO"]

Taylor ducking Froch is laughable. The likely scenario is that the US networks are not willing to put the money up for the fight. Froch is an unknown.

Typical British myopic thinking to say Taylor is 'ducking' Froch. We see a British guy go life-and-death in a fight that lacked skill but had passion, and we then pass the winner off as the greatest thing since sliced bread (I say this as a fan of Froch). Had Pascal won we would be pushing for him to be P4P #1 right now.

British fans have no perspective, in general.

Absolute bollocks IMO. As per my previous posts, I have never said that Taylor is afraid of Froch or of any other fighter and I doubt the majority of sensible thinking other fans have either. I do, however, think he is extremely reluctant to leave the comfort of north America and travel to the lion's den for a title fight in the way that many other fighters will and the facts tend to bear this out, looking at the Eastman farce and the recent comments from his camp about Froch needing to come to North America. Instead, it seems he is filling his boots with who-cares fights with other US/Canadian retreads. I'm sure he probably would beat Froch, hell most in the division except Kessler and maybe Bute, but he is not going the right way about proving it.

[cityofgod]

:patsch Like Pascal, who is mooted? What would that say about Froch's life-and-death struggle with the Vera-type Pascal?

Taylor has fought Hopkins, Wright and Pavlik, yet is ducking Froch? :lol:

Sorry, i didnt realise Brian Vera was an amatuer Olympian, who won the commonwealth gold, was unbeaten, ranked at no3 by the WBC. :patsch

Taylor did well against Hopkins the first time (shading a sloppy win) he lost the rematch in many's eyes. Also do you not remember the Winky fight? the one which everyone cried out that Winky was robbed?

And i need point out that Taylor got knocked out and out worked by Pavlik ?

I sense your trying to dumb down Froch and play-up Taylors achievments.

The problem in your flawed argument, is the examples/ achievments you have given hold no water as Taylor looked terrible / lost.

Froch will hand Taylor his ass from the 6th onwards. And if Pascal gets the nod, it wouldn't surprise me one jot if he beat Taylor.

Froch is a fighter, not a member of the entertainment business like Taylor, who is more concerned with remaining unbeaten now to sustain his dollar-worth. And that train of thought has it's own train driver: Lou Dibella.

[kurt2006]

Froch is dangerous and he isn't really an attractive draw.

Not a good mix to get big fights unfortunately.

He is a white SMW and dangerous. He should get over to the USA get an american wife and become a citizen. Then every bob, don and harry will want to promote him.

[Grievesy]

Quite, if Froch fought Pascal on US soil he would be the 'new Kelly Pavlik'. As it stands he must be pragmatic, fighting in the US is a must for his next fight, F the 'homecoming' type of fight, he is too old for hanging about. Get him on an undercard. Get him to smoke some boots, and then watch the Taylor camp come to him with a revised offer.

You have to love Carl Froch, but boxing is about pragmatism, not love.

Totally agree. It's annoying but he needs to get over stateside and start beating people up if he wants big fights. Simple as really.

["TKO"]

Totally agree. It's annoying but he needs to get over stateside and start beating people up if he wants big fights. Simple as really.

At many weights, but at 168 there aren't really any big fights to be had in the states apart from Taylor. Most of the top fights (Kessler, Inkin, Baloszy, Bute, Mundine) are to be found elsewhere. Unless hes gonna fight Lacy I don't think there's much there for him. The Witter comparison is an apt one, though I do hope Froch isn't going to waste his whole career desperately trying to get some publicity and a big payday off the back of Calzaghe!!!