Hatton vs. Cotto - Resume

[TFFP]

I feel some noobs need to be taken to school on this particular issue as I am sick to death of hearing about how much of a greater 140lb fighter Hatton is, and how he would have easily beaten him at 140. There also seems to be an assumption Hatton has a superior resume, I don't know whether this has come about since Cotto lost. Feel free to correct me and present some names for these lists if you feel I've made a startling omission or inclusion either way. I will try my best to include world class fighters at the weights for each, and also give an idea of where they've been at during each stage of their careers.

In date order...

Cotto :
(whilst alongside Hatton)
Carlos Maussa
Lovemore N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres
Paulie Malignaggi
------------------------
(post 140)
Carlos Quintana
Otkay Urkal
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Hatton:
(whilst alongside Cotto at 140)
Vince Phillips
Kostya Tszyu
Carlos Maussa
((Luis Collazo at 147))
------------------------
(Cotto post 140)
Juan Urango
Jose Castillo
Juan Lazcano
Paulie Malignaggi

Tell me if I'm missing something here, but is Hatton's 140lb resume even that much superior to Cotto's as people assume since he's considered more of a "career" 140lber?

I don't see much in that at all. I lean towards Hatton based on the stand out Tszyu win which trumps all of Cotto's wins. Looking at their next wins, Cotto actually beat two of Hatton's best 140lb scalps before he did, Maussa and Malignaggi. He beat Ricardo Torres, respected beltholder up until recently. Phillips was a corpse, Urango completely untested against anybody other than Hatton where he was schooled, I'd rather have N'dou and Corley who have shown what they are about at world class.

Then we add in since the 140 days, Cotto takes Hatton to the cleaners including Judah and Sugar Shane as well as other capable welterweight foes Urkal, and one time Williams conquerer Quintana, against Lazcano and Collazo, we could also include Castillo in this period, shot as he has since proven.

There we have it. My theory is that Cotto's resume is superior in depth and quality to that of Hatton's, but Hatton has the stand out win.

What say you?

[GazOC]

How many people have said Hatton would "easily win"? I think Hatton would win at 140 but certainly not easily. At 140 Hatton was older, more experienced and probably prime from 2004-2007, while Cotto was still pretty green. Any later than that then Cotto was struggling at the weight and Hatton would have had an excellent chance from that angle.

Good luck "schooling the newbs" though.....;O)

[TFFP]

How many people have said Hatton would "easily win"? I think Hatton would win at 140 but certainly not easily. At 140 Hatton was older, more experienced and probably prime from 2004-2007, while Cotto was still pretty green. Any later than that then Cotto was struggling at the weight and Hatton would have had an excellent chance from that angle.

Good luck "schooling the newbs" though.....;O)
Thanks. Plenty of noobies have said such funny things in the General in my time. One such noob tonight thinks its laughable that Cotto's resume is considered better. He was British, so I thought I'd post it here, and besides more thought provoking discussion is likely to take place here.

[mattress]

Hatton's, I'd say, is better at 140 but not overall.

With respect to them fighting at 140, I think it would be a pretty even fight but Hatton winning. At 147, it's Cotto, with ease.

[GazOC]

The poll and the first paragraph are 2 different questions. I'd dispute whether Urango is a poorer win than Corely (who rocked Cotto IIRC?) and N'Dou at that point in their careers. I think Cottos record is better than Hattons all things considered but not at 140, I think Hatton beats Cotto at 140 (I think Hatton did better against common opponents Maussa and Paulie, for whats thats worth?) from 2004 to 2007 and after that Cotto couldn't make 140 so its a moot point.

[TFFP]

We could easily say Cotto beat those opponents up, nevermind the style of victory. Which Cotto does have a habit of doing, he seems to damage his opponents. I hear stories of them pissing blood for weeks in press releases.

I'm more interested in overall resume, but 140 resume also. I don't think there is a lot in the 140 resume when its widely assumed there is. Hatton, but not my much at all.

[GazOC]

Resume in general Cotto. Resume at 140 Hatton. Styles makes fights and all that but Hatton took care of Paulie better than Cotto did (I don't mean getting the KO but the manner of the win) and Maussa just as easily. So say Cotto beat up or softened up these guys for Hatton is guessing and not really provable either way.

Cotto was rocked quite a few times at 140 and also employed a few dodgy tactics to get wins but seems to get a freebie on them, whereas Hatton gets pulled up for the same things by certain people.

[TFFP]

Resume in general Cotto. Resume at 140 Hatton. Styles makes fights and all that but Hatton took care of Paulie better than Cotto did (I don't mean getting the KO but the manner of the win) and Maussa just as easily. So say Cotto beat up or softened up these guys for Hatton is guessing and not really provable either way.

Cotto was rocked quite a few times at 140 and also employed a few dodgy tactics to get wins but seems to get a freebie on them, whereas Hatton gets pulled up for the same things by certain people.
It is preferable to beat a fighter when he is undefeated, and not the leftovers of the fighter we are directly comparing him against. I don't mean to sound like Rafa benitez...but..."FACT". I take your points on board regarding style of victory.

Come on, don't try and use dodgy tactics with me, and with Hatton. You know that isn't even funny. These definitely are not "facts", and are subjective.

[mattress]

It is preferable to beat a fighter when he is undefeated, and not the leftovers of the fighter we are directly comparing him against.


The term 'leftovers' is a little unfair, no?? You sound like a 'Hatton-hater' to me.

[girv]

I would like to see them in together at a catchweight, maybe 143 just to see.

A lot would depend on whether Cotto could get down below 147 which Im sure he could as he is not that big a welter.

I think Cotto would still win unless Margarito has ruined him.

As for records as others have already said Hatton has the biggest single win but Cotto has the stronger record overall.

Sorry I hate the word resume - and this is the Brit Forum :good

[mattress]

I would like to see them in together at a catchweight, maybe 143 just to see.

Personally, I hate all that 'catchweight' crap. Divisions should be set in stone - they would have to fight at 140OR 147.

[girv]

Personally, I hate all that 'catchweight' crap. Divisions should be set in stone - they would have to fight at 140OR 147.

Fair enough at 140 Hatton wins by stoppage over a weight drained Cotto. At 147 Cotto is too big and strong for Hatton and grinds him down for a late stoppage.

[mattress]

Fair enough at 140 Hatton wins by stoppage over a weight drained Cotto. At 147 Cotto is too big and strong for Hatton and grinds him down for a late stoppage.

I agree totally:good

[JonOli]

At 140 alone, on resume and achievements, it's Hatton - and the Tszue win is a major factor.


Ricky Hatton 44-0

The Ring magazine's World Light Welterweight Champion June/2005 to present

The Ring magazine's 2005 'Fighter of the Year'

Unified belts at the weight

Former 2x IBF World Light Welterweight Champion

Former WBA World Light Welterweight Champion


Minor achievements
Former WBU Light Welterweight Champion 03/2001 to 12/2004

Former British Light Welterweight Champion

IBO World Light Welterweight Champion

Hatton at 140: 44 - 0

44 wins no losses - best wins at 140...

Kostya Tszyu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Juan Urango ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Carlos Maussa ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (IBF, WBA unification), Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links])*, Vince Phillips


Cotto at 140: 27-0

WBO Light Welterweight Champion 09/2004 to 06/2006

Cottos best wins at 140... 27 wins no losses

Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links])*, Ricardo Torres, Lovemore N'dou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Carlos Maussa


*Hatton gave a far more convincing performance against the same fighter (one who was seen as Cottos best scalp at the weight).



Going on both their whole careers 140/147- I think resume wise they are pretty close - I'd perhaps give it to Cotto.

Having said that, Hatton may get stick for beating the versions of Kosta, and Castilo he fought, but neither Mosley, nor Judah were near their best when Cotto met them. Also, apart from being a big puncher, how good is Torres really? I fail (at this moment in time) to see how he should be ranked significantly above someone like Urango even.

[faisal]

the facts speak for themselves, the malanaggi cotto fought was a much better version then the one hatton dealt with lets not kid ourselves,
a few of the fighters cotto fought at 140 were contenders who later went on to become champs hatton never fought any live opponents so its hard to make a case for him when he stepped up to 147 to face a collazo he was almost TKO'd,
kostay tyszu is the only fighter on his cv thats worth a mention, i wont take anything away from hattons victory, tyszu was still a solid fighter

[faisal]

At 140 alone, on resume and achievements, it's Hatton - and the Tszue win is a major factor.


Ricky Hatton 44-0

The Ring magazine's World Light Welterweight Champion June/2005 to present

The Ring magazine's 2005 'Fighter of the Year'

Unified belts at the weight

Former 2x IBF World Light Welterweight Champion

Former WBA World Light Welterweight Champion


Minor achievements
Former WBU Light Welterweight Champion 03/2001 to 12/2004

Former British Light Welterweight Champion

IBO World Light Welterweight Champion

Hatton at 140: 44 - 0

44 wins no losses - best wins at 140...

Kostya Tszyu ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Juan Urango ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Carlos Maussa ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) (IBF, WBA unification), Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links])*, Vince Phillips


Cotto at 140: 27-0

WBO Light Welterweight Champion 09/2004 to 06/2006

Cottos best wins at 140... 27 wins no losses

Paul Malignaggi ([Only registered and activated users can see links])*, Ricardo Torres, Lovemore N'dou ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), Carlos Maussa


*Hatton gave a far more convincing performance against the same fighter (one who was seen as Cottos best scalp at the weight).



Going on both their whole careers 140/147- I think resume wise they are pretty close - I'd perhaps give it to Cotto.

Having said that, Hatton may get stick for beating the versions of Kosta, and Castilo he fought, but neither Mosley, nor Judah were near their best when Cotto fought them. Also apart from being a big puncher, how good is Torres really? I fail (at this moment in time) to see how he would be ranked significaly above someone like Urango even.
other then spectacularly KTFO out of an unknown contender what has urango ever done, torres won a world title and defended it thats the major difference

[JonOli]

the facts speak for themselves, the malanaggi cotto fought was a much better version then the one hatton dealt with lets not kid ourselves,



Thats not fair they both fought a young version of the fighter - Hatton just dealt with him a hell of a lot better then a weight struggling Cotto.

[JonOli]

other then spectacularly KTFO out of an unknown contender what has urango ever done, torres won a world title and defended it thats the major difference


I knew out of all that I wrote someone would pick that last comment up.

Yea, I'd place Torres above the Urango win too - but I really don't think Torres has done enough for a victory over him to be held with real high esteem. I think the fact that he can punch, and is exiting - clouds a lot of peoples judgement of him.

Anyway, as I said originally I'd place a Torres win over one over Urango - so I agree with you.

[DINAMITA]

Cotto has a better resume and is a better fighter. There's not much in it at 140 but I do give the edge to Cotto there as he beat better comp, and above 140 there's no comparison. OK, Cotto lost to Margarito, but Cotto would brutalize Collazo far easier than Hatton beat him, and at 147 Margarito annihilates Hatton easier than he did Cotto.

Hatton's win over Tszyu beats anything on Cotto's res, but that's the only thing I find in his favour in this comparison.

[faisal]

Thats not fair they both fought a young version of the fighter - Hatton just dealt with him a hell of a lot better then a weight struggling Cotto.
malanaggi looked bad when he fought Herman Ngoudjo a fight he should have lost and he also looked terrible against ndou in the rematch he didint perform this bad before cotto fought him, as 1 sided as hattons victory was i think cottos win against malanaggi is much stronger then hattons,

[JonOli]

Cotto has a better resume and is a better fighter. There's not much in it at 140 but I do give the edge to Cotto there as he beat better comp, and above 140 there's no comparison. OK, Cotto lost to Margarito, but Cotto would brutalize Collazo far easier than Hatton beat him, and at 147 Margarito annihilates Hatton easier than he did Cotto.


Who did Cotto beat at 140 that came close to the Tszue win? Pauli was widely seen as Cottos best win there, and Hatton did a more convincing job on him (I know styles make fights etc).

Hatton definitely has the better resume at 140, imo, but I'd give it to Cotto overall.

[faisal]

why are people making such an issue out of cotto getting hurt by corley the guy had PBF badly stunned

[faisal]

Who did Cotto beat at 140 that came close to the Tszue win? Pauli was widely seen as Cottos best win there, and Hatton did a more convincing job on him (I know styles make fights etc).

Hatton definitely has the better resume at 140, imo, but I'd give it to Cotto overall.
even though he was past it i think tyszu would have beat every 1 in the top 10 back then may be even now, he still was a solid fighter

[JonOli]

malanaggi looked bad when he fought Herman Ngoudjo a fight he should have lost and he also looked terrible against ndou in the rematch he didint perform this bad before cotto fought him, as 1 sided as hattons victory was i think cottos win against malanaggi is much stronger then hattons,


Personally I just think that Pauli may not have been that good in the first place. Those fights you talk about, where he looked bad, are the only sucessful title defences he has ever made.

The guy had just turned 28 when he met Hatton, and has had no real injuries (except for had issues which he has had all his career). I really don't think its fair to say the version Cotto faced just 2 years earlier was amazingly better. He may have performed better on the night, but that's something different.

[Realspitts]

Who did Cotto beat at 140 that came close to the Tszue win? Pauli was widely seen as Cottos best win there, and Hatton did a more convincing job on him (I know styles make fights etc).

Hatton definitely has the better resume at 140, imo, but I'd give it to Cotto overall.

:bart

imo, the hatton stoppage was pre mature & paulie took much more punishment in the cotto fight. the post visuals speak for itself...

and immediately after the hatton fight paulie said, "i took more waay more punishment and was more hurt in the fight with cotto........."
-paulie malignaggi

its one thing to compare and make assumptions based on what we see and another when it comes out of the fighters mouth.

***cotto softened paulie up for everyone that fought him afterwards.***

[DINAMITA]

Who did Cotto beat at 140 that came close to the Tszue win? Pauli was widely seen as Cottos best win there, and Hatton did a more convincing job on him (I know styles make fights etc).

Hatton definitely has the better resume at 140, imo, but I'd give it to Cotto overall.

Tszyu is only one fight Jon. Looking at their whole resumes, for me Cotto's is clearly stronger.

For instance, had Hatton fought Margarito that night, Margo would've crushed him in a couple of rounds IMO. If Hatton had fought Mosley that night, I think Mosley would've comfortably beaten Hatton.

Would Cotto have beaten Tszyu that night?? I think he would.

Cotto has had better comp in his career and is a better fighter.

IMO.

[onourway]

You can't just look at wins.

Hatton's only loss was to the P4P#1, best of his generation.

Cotto lost to a more limited version of Hatton who has multiple losses and is nowhere near the best of his era.

That worsens Cotto's resume in comparison to Hatton's.

[JonOli]

Tszyu is only one fight Jon. Looking at their whole resumes, for me Cotto's is clearly stronger.


I agree overall, Cotto has the stronger resume, but at 140 alone it's Hatton for me - in fact pretty clearly.

[DINAMITA]

You can't just look at wins.

Hatton's only loss was to the P4P#1, best of his generation.

Cotto lost to a more limited version of Hatton who has multiple losses and is nowhere near the best of his era.

That worsens Cotto's resume in comparison to Hatton's.


:lol: What would have happened if it was Margarito v Hatton that night instead of Margarito v Cotto?? Margarito may not be the p4p match of Mayweather, but for a guy the size of Cotto or Hatton to fight him at 147 is a brutal challenge. Your point is worthless IMO.

[onourway]

:lol: What would have happened if it was Margarito v Hatton that night instead of Margarito v Cotto?? Margarito may not be the p4p match of Mayweather, but for a guy the size of Cotto or Hatton to fight him at 147 is a brutal challenge. Your point is worthless IMO.

Has to be done on a P4P basis.

Cotto's a natural 147 fighter. He got beat on by a natural 147 fighter who isn't great by any means.

If Hatton fought a 140 version of Margo, I'd fancy his chances.

[widdy]

i think,me being a noob and all that,if cotto fought the same tactics against hatton,like he did against margo,hatton would break him down quicker than margo,hatton being the better mover than at heayweight,flyweight,middleweight,any fuckin weight:yep

[TFFP]

i think,me being a noob and all that,if cotto fought the same tactics against hatton,like he did against margo,hatton would break him down quicker than margo,hatton being the better mover than at heayweight,flyweight,middleweight,any fuckin weight:yep
:rofl

Like Hatton would take the punishment Margarito did. Margarito has the head the size of a basketball. Hatton was hurt by Lazcano and Luis Collazo. Cotto would tear him to shreds.

["TKO"]

I feel some noobs need to be taken to school on this particular issue as I am sick to death of hearing about how much of a greater 140lb fighter Hatton is, and how he would have easily beaten him at 140. There also seems to be an assumption Hatton has a superior resume, I don't know whether this has come about since Cotto lost. Feel free to correct me and present some names for these lists if you feel I've made a startling omission or inclusion either way. I will try my best to include world class fighters at the weights for each, and also give an idea of where they've been at during each stage of their careers.

In date order...

Cotto :
(whilst alongside Hatton)
Carlos Maussa
Lovemore N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres
Paulie Malignaggi
------------------------
(post 140)
Carlos Quintana
Otkay Urkal
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Hatton:
(whilst alongside Cotto at 140)
Vince Phillips
Kostya Tszyu
Carlos Maussa
((Luis Collazo at 147))
------------------------
(Cotto post 140)
Juan Urango
Jose Castillo
Juan Lazcano
Paulie Malignaggi

Tell me if I'm missing something here, but is Hatton's 140lb resume even that much superior to Cotto's as people assume since he's considered more of a "career" 140lber?

I don't see much in that at all. I lean towards Hatton based on the stand out Tszyu win which trumps all of Cotto's wins. Looking at their next wins, Cotto actually beat two of Hatton's best 140lb scalps before he did, Maussa and Malignaggi. He beat Ricardo Torres, respected beltholder up until recently. Phillips was a corpse, Urango completely untested against anybody other than Hatton where he was schooled, I'd rather have N'dou and Corley who have shown what they are about at world class.

Then we add in since the 140 days, Cotto takes Hatton to the cleaners including Judah and Sugar Shane as well as other capable welterweight foes Urkal, and one time Williams conquerer Quintana, against Lazcano and Collazo, we could also include Castillo in this period, shot as he has since proven.

There we have it. My theory is that Cotto's resume is superior in depth and quality to that of Hatton's, but Hatton has the stand out win.

What say you?

Can't be arsed posting something this in depth but overall Cotto, at 140 Hatton. In a head to head Cotto wins at 147, Hatton at 140.

["TKO"]

The poll and the first paragraph are 2 different questions. I'd dispute whether Urango is a poorer win than Corely (who rocked Cotto IIRC?) and N'Dou at that point in their careers. I think Cottos record is better than Hattons all things considered but not at 140, I think Hatton beats Cotto at 140 (I think Hatton did better against common opponents Maussa and Paulie, for whats thats worth?) from 2004 to 2007 and after that Cotto couldn't make 140 so its a moot point.

Gaz are you me under an alias writing in my sleep?

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't see why Hatton couldn't beat Cotto, either at 140 or 147 to be honest.

I would make him a favourite at 140 due in part to his natural strength and Cotto struggling at the weight.

At 147 I would edge fairly strongly toward Cotto, but a Hatton victory would hardly be on a par with Honeyghan vs Curry.

If Hatton could improve his defence and make Cotto miss, his natural pressure style would make Cotto uncomfortable.

[TFFP]

Improve his defence? Havn't we been calling for that for years? Nothing has greatly improved, and at his age I don't see any great scope for that.

Cotto will tag him with ease, and nobody but Mosley and Margarito, two top welterweight chins have been able to take Cotto's shots. The rest have been pissing blood for weeks on end.

[Beeston Brawler]

Point noted.

But Hatton has a better chin than the guys KO'd by Cotto @ 147 thus far I'd say.

I would make Cotto favourite, but it wouldn't be upset of the year.

Firstly, I don't think Cotto hits as hard as he is reputed to do, and secondly, his punches aren't as accurate as someone like Mayweather, and thirdly, he is pretty much one-handed.

[mrbassie]

Cotto.

[TFFP]

His punches looked accurate to me against Margarito. Hatton's defence isn't a lot better than Margarito's, he's just quicker.

Who is as accurate as Mayweather? That's not to say he's inaccurate.

[Beeston Brawler]

His punches looked accurate to me against Margarito. Hatton's defence isn't a lot better than Margarito's, he's just quicker.

Who is as accurate as Mayweather? That's not to say he's inaccurate.

I'd say Hatton's defence is far superior to Margarito's, but that isn't saying much in truth. His footwork may help, being pretty bouncy on his feet to evade punches ala Urango fight (though Cotto is faster and less telegraphed).

I would like to see this one actually. I seriously don't believe Hatton is as bad as himself (and others) believe he is at 147 - he was out of shape against Collazo and was beaten by Floyd.

Perhaps it is something to cling to - i.e. it doesn't count because it wasn't in my weight class etc etc, I don't know.

The only thing that might let him down is his punch resistance.

[D-MAC]

I feel some noobs need to be taken to school on this particular issue as I am sick to death of hearing about how much of a greater 140lb fighter Hatton is, and how he would have easily beaten him at 140. There also seems to be an assumption Hatton has a superior resume, I don't know whether this has come about since Cotto lost. Feel free to correct me and present some names for these lists if you feel I've made a startling omission or inclusion either way. I will try my best to include world class fighters at the weights for each, and also give an idea of where they've been at during each stage of their careers.

In date order...

Cotto :
(whilst alongside Hatton)
Carlos Maussa
Lovemore N'dou
DeMarcus Corley
Ricardo Torres
Paulie Malignaggi
------------------------
(post 140)
Carlos Quintana
Otkay Urkal
Zab Judah
Shane Mosley

Hatton:
(whilst alongside Cotto at 140)
Vince Phillips
Kostya Tszyu
Carlos Maussa
((Luis Collazo at 147))
------------------------
(Cotto post 140)
Juan Urango
Jose Castillo
Juan Lazcano
Paulie Malignaggi

Tell me if I'm missing something here, but is Hatton's 140lb resume even that much superior to Cotto's as people assume since he's considered more of a "career" 140lber?

I don't see much in that at all. I lean towards Hatton based on the stand out Tszyu win which trumps all of Cotto's wins. Looking at their next wins, Cotto actually beat two of Hatton's best 140lb scalps before he did, Maussa and Malignaggi. He beat Ricardo Torres, respected beltholder up until recently. Phillips was a corpse, Urango completely untested against anybody other than Hatton where he was schooled, I'd rather have N'dou and Corley who have shown what they are about at world class.

Then we add in since the 140 days, Cotto takes Hatton to the cleaners including Judah and Sugar Shane as well as other capable welterweight foes Urkal, and one time Williams conquerer Quintana, against Lazcano and Collazo, we could also include Castillo in this period, shot as he has since proven.

There we have it. My theory is that Cotto's resume is superior in depth and quality to that of Hatton's, but Hatton has the stand out win.

What say you?

I think that Hatton has the best single win (Kostya), but I would lean towards Cotto for overall body of work; I'd also include his win over Kelson Pinto as one of his better at LWW - the big Brazilian has gone to shit now, but at the time was (a) unbeaten, (b) quite highly-touted, and (c) had beaten Cotto twice in the amateurs, which might have led many to believe that he would have some kind of style advantage over Cotto.

[TFFP]

I think that Hatton has the best single win (Kostya), but I would lean towards Cotto for overall body of work; I'd also include his win over Kelson Pinto as one of his better at LWW - the big Brazilian has gone to shit now, but at the time was (a) unbeaten, (b) quite highly-touted, and (c) had beaten Cotto twice in the amateurs, which might have led many to believe that he would have some kind of style advantage over Cotto.
I did think about him for those reasons, but ultimately I didn't think I could hold him up as world class if questioned.

One could question if Urango is world class, but I gave Hatton the benefit of the doubt - and meh, people call me a hater! :-(

[mattress]

and meh, people call me a hater! :-(

are you seriously suggesting that it should be doubted???:D

[TFFP]

are you seriously suggesting that it should be doubted???:D
:yep

This was clearly an objective post. I gave both resumes and backed up my reasoning. :tong

[mattress]

:yep

This was clearly an objective post. I gave both resumes and backed up my reasoning. :tong

:goodYes, to be fair, the post was objective.........for once;)

[LHL]

Kostya is the difference at 140 but Cottos win over torres and the beating he gave malinaggi can swing it. After 140 theres no point comparing Cotto easily beats him here. Hatton was shook to his foundations against Lazcano so i think cotto could easily do it along with Ricardo Torres. I have wanted to see Torres vs Hatton for along time i think that is easily the best fight at 140 to make.

[Beeston Brawler]

Torres isn't that good IMO, and his power is overrated.

He was taken the distance by the clubfighter that Witter chewed up in his 1st defence - after Witter.

[stonerose]

There isn't that much difference between the two fighters any way you want to look at it . Quite similar career trajectories, i reckon Hatton may retire with the better record and legacy .
He never quit in a fight for one thing and as much as i like Cotto he fuckin quit against Margarito

[JonOli]

I'm surprised people rate Cottos win over Pauli, as greater then Hattons. Sure Cotto made a mess of Paulie, but that was a competitive fight - with Paulie in it. If it hadn't been for the 2 point knockdown - Paulie would have been in with a real shout of winning that.

Against Hatton he was, dare I say it, totally outclassed (yes by Ricky Hatton)- and never ever in the fight.

[Beeston Brawler]

There isn't that much difference between the two fighters any way you want to look at it . Quite similar career trajectories, i reckon Hatton may retire with the better record and legacy .
He never quit in a fight for one thing and as much as i like Cotto he fuckin quit against Margarito

Harsh.

[stonerose]

Harsh.


It felt harsh writing it but how would you view it ? He did give up.
Again, i'm a big fan of Cotto.

[TFFP]

I'm surprised people rate Cottos win over Pauli, as greater then Hattons. Sure Cotto made a mess of Paulie, but that was a competitive fight - with Paulie in it. If it hadn't been for the 2 point knockdown - Paulie would have been in with a real shout of winning that.

Against Hatton he was, dare I say it, totally outclassed (yes by Ricky Hatton)- and never ever in the fight.
He beat him first despite being weight drained beyond belief, what do you expect?

Regardless of how competitive it might have been in scoring, Pauli got tore up. He looked and beaten and brusied man in there. Hatton picked up what Cotto left of Malignaggi.

["TKO"]

Harsh.

But true.

[LHL]

Torres isn't that good IMO, and his power is overrated.

He was taken the distance by the clubfighter that Witter chewed up in his 1st defence - after Witter.

I maybe overrating the Holt KO and the Cotto knockdowns. I have only seen 3 of his fights 2 are the Holt and one is Cotto all 3 he showed good power. Did you see the Morua fight? Can you explain how it went?

[stonerose]

He beat him first, what do you expect?

Regardless of how competitive it might have been in scoring, Pauli got tore up. He looked and beaten and brusied man in there.


Hatton out-classed him though. He was excellant against Malignaggi i'm surprised you can't give him the slightest bit of credit, instead acting like a GF kid who finds it hard to give credit and just focusses on excuses . ie, the paulie who fought Cotto was better than the one who fought Hatton, with no solid reasons for this point of view.

[Beeston Brawler]

It felt harsh writing it but how would you view it ? He did give up.
Again, i'm a big fan of Cotto.

Hmmm.....

He gave up because he had nothing left - he was broken.

Hardly Gary Lockett style.....

'Enzo, please stop it!'

[TFFP]

Hatton out-classed him though. He was excellant against Malignaggi i'm surprised you can't give him the slightest bit of credit, instead acting like a GF kid who finds it hard to give credit and just focusses on excuses . ie, the paulie who fought Cotto was better than the one who fought Hatton, with no solid reasons for this point of view.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not discrediting him. It was a good win for Hatton.

Cotto got there first, however. When he was unbeaten. Cotto deserves credit for that.

["TKO"]

He beat him first despite being weight drained beyond belief, what do you expect?

Regardless of how competitive it might have been in scoring, Pauli got tore up. He looked and beaten and brusied man in there. Hatton picked up what Cotto left of Malignaggi.

You can't tell the story of a boxing match by looking at the fighters' faces afterwards otherwise Gatti would have lost every fight he was ever in. Paulie was competitive in that one (8-4 x 2 and 7-5 in rounds), he wasn't against Hatton.

As for "what Cotto left" come on, one tough, competitive fight does not ruin a fit and healthy, prime 27 year old who has not had a tough career to date. If that's the case then Hatton was Mayweather, Tszyu and Collazo's leftovers and he still beat the shit out of Paulie.

Again, I feel Cotto may shade it in terms of overall resume here, Hatton at 140. However, in terms of losses, Hatton's loss to the p4p #1 does not harm him in the way that Cotto quitting against a fighter who was nowhere near the p4p lists does. IMO anyway.

[stonerose]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not discrediting him. It was a good win for Hatton.

Cotto got there first, however. When he was unbeaten. Cotto deserves credit for that.


Do you rate the Cotto win higher ?

[stonerose]

Hmmm.....

He gave up because he had nothing left - he was broken.

Hardly Gary Lockett style.....

'Enzo, please stop it!'#



Just highlighting a small difference between the two fighters. I reckon Hatton would rather die than take a knee .

[TFFP]

Cotto beat the better competition, period. The names make that quite clear, as I set them out. Hatton's are very poor really. The lack of depth is near embarrasing.

They both have terrible losses. Hatton was KO'd out cold by a guy that never showed that power at welterweight. Cotto at least had his moments in the fight, I don't think Hatton landed more than 3 meainginful punches. But I don't really want to get into this, I'm more interested in who beat the better competition rather than focusing on the one loss. It happens.

Hatton at 140 (just)
Cotto overall (clear)

[Beeston Brawler]

Would Hatton vs Cotto interest you - taking into account my comments regarding Hatton @ 147?

[GazOC]

malanaggi looked bad when he fought Herman Ngoudjo a fight he should have lost and he also looked terrible against ndou in the rematch he didint perform this bad before cotto fought him, as 1 sided as hattons victory was i think cottos win against malanaggi is much stronger then hattons,


Mallinaggi was never that good before Cotto, after Cotto or during Cotto. Hattons performance is on a par with Cottos because Pailie didn't slip after Cotto, he was never that good in the first place. He stepped up in opposition and started to struggle, he's found his level.

If people want to make the arguement that Cottos performance against was affected by making the weight then thats a seperate issue and probably correct but Cotto didn't not destroy Paulie for future fights, he just got to him first.

[stonerose]

Would Hatton vs Cotto interest you - taking into account my comments regarding Hatton @ 147?



who ?

[Beeston Brawler]

Anyone!

[D-MAC]

Anyone!

What weight Beeston?

I just can't see Cotto getting down to LWW, and Hatton has publicly stated that he really isn't up to it at WW.

I'm not too sure how a catchweight would fly, but yeah, of course, its deffo a fight I would like to see; just can't really see it being made tbh.

["TKO"]

The term 'leftovers' is a little unfair, no?? You sound like a 'Hatton-hater' to me.

No shit sherlock - TFFP would not make any attempt to disguise the fact!

[Beeston Brawler]

147

I think Hatton is better at 147 than he gives himself credit for (publicly) anyway - probably a thing to cling onto as an excuse (if you like) for his loss.

Against Collazo he was badly out of shape, which to me, in part explains his less than stellar showing.

[stonerose]

Cotto would start the favourite but no way it would be a pushover. Hatton has the footwork,speed and punch resistance to give cotto serious problems .

["TKO"]

147

I think Hatton is better at 147 than he gives himself credit for (publicly) anyway - probably a thing to cling onto as an excuse (if you like) for his loss.

Against Collazo he was badly out of shape, which to me, in part explains his less than stellar showing.

I wouldn't say out of shape as he looked as cut as ever - he just had not had time to build and train scientifically towards fighting a welterweight - he had six weeks notice for that fight. I don't think he stepped into the ring that much heavier than he would at 140 if at all though maybe someone else would correct me?

[Beeston Brawler]

I felt he looked awful - he was down to 152 six weeks out as he was preparing for Lazcano. According to Kayes he took it easy and allowed himself the odd takeaway.

Something wasn't right, because he gassed awfully at the end.

From memory he was 160lbs on fight night, 8lbs too heavy.

[GazOC]

Cotto would start the favourite but no way it would be a pushover. Hatton has the footwork,speed and punch resistance to give cotto serious problems .

I think workrate is the key to Hatton winning a Cotto fight. All through his career Cotto has never liked being pushed to fight at pace.

[D-MAC]

I think workrate is the key to Hatton winning a Cotto fight. All through his career Cotto has never liked being pushed to fight at pace.

I gotta favour Cotto at 147 though; Hatton can avoid the early bombs better than Margarito, but if Cotto lands half as many I can't see Hatton making the second half of the contest.

[TFFP]

Would Hatton vs Cotto interest you - taking into account my comments regarding Hatton @ 147?
I don't know whether I agree that Hatton could be better than he has seemed at 147, I just don't think he's got the attributes to succeed there.

I would be interested to see the fight, of course. It's a good fight, a big fight, and probably an exciting one while it lasts.

[Beeston Brawler]

As boxers, I feel they are pretty evenly matched, with the same best punches and same weaknesses.

Granted Hatton hasn't faced as good a pressure fighter as Margarito - but I would hesitate to say he is more comfortable on the back foot, and has better stamina.

[TFFP]

People have to remember the Margarito loss is under excepcional circumstances. How often is it that a respected puncher lays that kind of beat down on opponent over the first 5 rounds, and puts not a dent in his opponent. Infact, he was still coming on strong. It seems Margarito was built to beat Cotto.

I don't think Hatton is a better counterpuncher at all, no chance. Hatton has hardly ever displayed that ability, are there any examples of him doing so? Cotto did it well against Sugar Shane for periods, and against Margarito for the beginning of the fight. It's not his plan A, but he can do it extremely well. If he had the toughness and stamina, he could well have beaten Margarito using that tactic. It was not his counterpunching ability that let him down. Cotto has a superior jab by far to Hatton, also.

Cotto overall is a far more skilled fighter. Hatton p4p is probably tougher, and has better stamina. At welterweight, forgetting p4p, I doubt that would show up.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Hatton can counterpunch, and has done it before - but I won't bother giving examples because they are names which bear no relevance to how a Cotto fight would pan out..... they are not worthy examples, if you like.

Hatton's jab is a really short punch, a pretty good one as well, but using it against Cotto might leave him open to the body, where he has been shown to be vulnerable.

Cotto's jab is much stiffer, almost a straight left.......

I haven't seen Cotto in the southpaw stance against a top opponent (only Gomez)..... if he was any good as a southpaw it would be an easier road to victory.

[widdy]

:rofl

Like Hatton would take the punishment Margarito did. Margarito has the head the size of a basketball. Hatton was hurt by Lazcano and Luis Collazo. Cotto would tear him to shreds.

you defo underestimate hattons defence,how you can think hatton would stand still and throw 1 2 left hooks while taking counters is beyond me (like margo),he slips punches,hooks ,moves(when he is at his best)
if cotto stands in front of hatton with his gloves up round his face and elbows out like he is packing 2 sheep under there,hatton will pummel his body,cotto will be beat quicker than margo beat him.:good
i would bet my wife on it


you go on about him being hurt of this,and hurt off that,you get in a ring,and if you get hit right off a straweight you gonna wobble mate.:smooch

you go on about mayweather,he is the p4p boxer,beaten every fucker out there,have you seen his record,he has not just beaten hatton,he has beat everyone there is,if he boxed cotto,cotto would be totally outclassed:hey

oh and cotto is defo no mayweather:patsch

[mattress]

No shit sherlock - TFFP would not make any attempt to disguise the fact!

But surely, if he beats Pac, he'll have to bow at his feet and sing his name from the hilltops?

[c woodhouse]

cotto never quit he got the shit punched out of him he had no more to give thats far from quitting duran quit theres a big difference

[TFFP]

you defo underestimate hattons defence,how you can think hatton would stand still and throw 1 2 left hooks while taking counters is beyond me (like margo),he slips punches,hooks ,moves(when he is at his best)
if cotto stands in front of hatton with his gloves up round his face and elbows out like he is packing 2 sheep under there,hatton will pummel his body,cotto will be beat quicker than margo beat him.:good
i would bet my wife on it


you go on about him being hurt of this,and hurt off that,you get in a ring,and if you get hit right off a straweight you gonna wobble mate.:smooch

you go on about mayweather,he is the p4p boxer,beaten every fucker out there,have you seen his record,he has not just beaten hatton,he has beat everyone there is,if he boxed cotto,cotto would be totally outclassed:hey

oh and cotto is defo no mayweather:patsch
Hatton would beat Cotto quicker than Margarito :rofl:lol:

Fucking Hatton loons are something else. I despair.

[Beeston Brawler]

I must admit I don't see Hatton beating Cotto quicker, but I could see a Hatton win at 147.

A cert at 140, had it happened.

[TFFP]

How's that when he couldn't even beat Luis Collazo convincingly? Just to put this into some perspective, Cotto beat Mosley fair and square, and Mosley beat the shit out of Collazo and showed him up as what he is - a fringe fighter. That is the difference in class we're talking about between these at welterweight.

People in here are pathetically biased towards Hatton, the ability to analyse a fight objectively is lost.

[widdy]

Hatton would beat Cotto quicker than Margarito :rofl:lol:

Fucking Hatton loons are something else. I despair.

really my friend,tut tut,haters of a excellent british p4p boxers are the loons,fully fuckin blown loons,now put that straight jacket back on,and ring your doctor:tong

hell ,i like cotto,good boxer,beaten some good boxers,but none in the class off,yes i will mention him ,kosta,hatton boxers like that night,
good night vienna:hi:

[Beeston Brawler]

Hatton was badly out of shape - and his tactics were all wrong.....

Trying to blast the guy out in two rounds for starters, nowhere near enough right hand leads.....

Stylewise Collazo is more of a problem than Cotto IMO.

I never said Hatton would win, but that he could.

Big difference.

[ishy]

I think Cotto beats Hatton at 147. Cotto is a proven fighter at welter whereas Hatton isn't. Cotto CAN box- not any muppet can outpoint Mosley (35 yrs or not) and I doubt Hatton would have beaten Mosley.

Overall Cotto is the more rounded fighter but if they would have fought at 140 when Cotto was fighting there I would have favoured Hatton. Cotto was a bit green at the weight and Hatton would have been too much for him.

If we're talking resumes, overall, Cotto's is better. Also consider that Cotto has only had 32,33 fights whereas Hatton has had 45(?) fights.

[SouthpawSlayer]

cotto has the superior resume no doubt about it

[widdy]

I must admit I don't see Hatton beating Cotto quicker, but I could see a Hatton win at 147.

A cert at 140, had it happened.

i just fuckin the physco loon hater off,but i reacon he'd beat him at both weights

[Beeston Brawler]

I would favour Cotto at 147 - but not overwhelmingly.

I like him as a fighter, but he isn't this indestructable force that he was made out to be. A fact that will be proven again when he rematches Margarito.

It's a good job he never fought Floyd, because he would have been embarrassed.

[TFFP]

No he wouldn't.

He would have done a far greater job than Hatton did offensively, and he wouldn't have got laid out cold.

[ishy]

I would favour Cotto at 147 - but not overwhelmingly.

I like him as a fighter, but he isn't this indestructable force that he was made out to be. A fact that will be proven again when he rematches Margarito.

It's a good job he never fought Floyd, because he would have been embarrassed.

I think Cotto stands a far better chance against Floyd than Margarito would, but that's just my opinion.

[Beeston Brawler]

I wouldn't give either that much of a chance.

Cotto would most likely do better, styles make fights and all that - but I could see Mayweather stopping him late, or winning clearly on points.

Margarito would make Floyd comfortable for a short time, before he is figured out..... and boxed silly. Wide UD.

[TFFP]

Margarito would not even get near Floyd. All of his strength, stamina and chin are just useless attributes if he can not put it to use in an offensive way. He'll finish the fight feeling unhurt, like he's not even been in a battle, but he'll be on the wrong end of a 119-109 decision.

Cotto has the speed and technical pressure (especially the jab, Mayweather always showed this susceptibility) to put something on Floyd and get to him. I would see Mayweather winning it down the stretch, 8-4 or so.

[Beeston Brawler]

I pretty much agree with you in full about Margo - but whilst Floyd could keep Hatton away a little with his straight right hand.... Margo would just walk him down.

I aren't saying he will do enough to win rounds, but still......

Cotto.....

I think maybe a little wider (than your 8-4), his jab is almost a straight left which Floyd might be able to telegraph. His stamina is also suspect, he may fade late trying to chase Floyd and be stopped on his feet.....

[TFFP]

I can't really see Floyd doing enough to achieve that. Margarito put a sustained beating on Cotto from the middle period onwards. With Mayweather playing the matador to Cotto's bull, I really don't see him wearing Cotto down very badly, and his shots are not that powerful in single bursts. Floyd only wore Hatton down because Hatton is intent on trying to tie up and fight inside. Mayweather outfought him on the inside, sometimes using dirty tactics, and Hatton was also more reckless than Cotto due to his frustrations.

[trotter]

The records at 140 are pretty hard to split overall.

After Cotto moved up he impressed with his wins against Quintana, Shane and Zab. But he lost to Margy, comprehensively in the end, despite putting in arguably his best performance.

Ricky was a bit unlucky that Castillo had faded by the time they fought; when that fight was set up nobody knew Castillo was fading, he'd just flattened Corrales albeit weighing in too heavy.

Claiming Torres as a good win for Cotto is double edged - he was within a twats hair of losing. And he had a run of non-punchers after that scare - Urkal and Paulie are not that impressive - they were punchbags on the night.

Claiming Paulie was a lesser fighter when he faced Ricky is ludicrous seeing as he had no belt when Cotto fought him but by the time Ricky did, he was a belt holder and recognised no.2 in the division.

All in all it's tight, I would possibly edge towards Cotto even at 140 as his opposition was marginally better on a consistent basis.


Head to head, as Gaz outlined, Hatton was more mature 2004-2006 ish and Cotto was dead at the weight for the last year or so - the timing for the fight would never have favoured Cotto.

[Beeston Brawler]

Torres is over-rated. He was taken the distance by the patsy who Witter beat up in his first defence.

After Witter beat the shit out of him.

[TFFP]

Overrated by whom? He was a world champion at least, pushed Cotto, beaten Holt another champion once and then was unlucky in the rematch.

That is a lot more than Juan Urango has ever done, and thats held up as a quality win for Hatton, in what was a horrible fight.

[Beeston Brawler]

Not by me it isn't.

If the second half of the fight had mirrored the first, perhaps so - but it barely scrapes into his top 10 wins.

[TFFP]

Shall I remove Urango from the list in that case? ;)

That just really highlights the sort of resume Hatton actually has underneath the win over Tszyu. It's typical of what I was saying, Cotto has beaten far more world class opponents. I was being generous including Urango as I felt almost sorry for Hatton when I drew up the lists. Maussa is barely world class too, I shouldn't have included him for either. He had one day in the sun when he won the lottery against the only fighter he could ever have beaten for a strap.

[trotter]

Not by me it isn't.

If the second half of the fight had mirrored the first, perhaps so - but it barely scrapes into his top 10 wins.

Exactly

Urango has also held a belt, I couldn't separate him and Torres by much at all, personally... time will tell

Torres has a decent punch but he's always seemed a bit small and frail to me

Hatton in the first six against Urango was utter quality, Urango's slowness helped of course but Hatton was razor sharp.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think only a fool would argue that Hatton's resume doesn't lack depth of TOP names.

He has more B-/C+ level wins than pretty much any fighter around.....

Cotto's 140 resume isn't all that though - on the whole he has an edge over Hatton beyond question.

[TFFP]

It's not a great 140lb resume he has, but its solid enough. He's beaten a couple of world class type gatekeepers that have given good fighters trouble like Corley and N'dou, one awkward guy and one real tough nut to crack there. Malignaggi of course, future world champ. Likewise Torres. And then Maussa back when Cotto was a newb. And he did that all within a short period. That is not a bad resume for a guy whos legacy will likely be defined by his work at 147.

[trotter]

I think only a fool would argue that Hatton's resume doesn't lack depth of TOP names.

He has more B-/C+ level wins than pretty much any fighter around.....

Cotto's 140 resume isn't all that though - on the whole he has an edge over Hatton beyond question.


Cotto at 147 is no great shakes under closer scrutiny

Shane, Urkal and Zab (well?) past their best days

Quintana - a very good win against Williams... then Williams gave his head a shake and blew him out in a round in the rematch

He did look good against Gomez I guess and if he beats Jennings well it's game set and match


I tend to think Cotto has a number of good names which are still good wins but he's getting credit for name value too

[GazOC]

Zab looks good on a record and can look amazing in spurts for 4 or 5 rounds but whens the last time he beat a top fighter.

[TFFP]

Cotto at 147 is no great shakes under closer scrutiny

Shane, Urkal and Zab (well?) past their best days

Quintana - a very good win against Williams... then Williams gave his head a shake and blew him out in a round in the rematch

He did look good against Gomez I guess and if he beats Jennings well it's game set and match


I tend to think Cotto has a number of good names which are still good wins but he's getting credit for name value too
By the same token, how do we know Quintana can't do better in a rubber match? How do we know he wasn't just caught cold? It is far easier to justify a first round KO being a fluke rather than a 12 round schooling, which Williams did get in the first fight. Either way, it showed Quintana's ability as a fighter, and this was Cotto's first fight at welter!

Then Urkal at one point was considered respectable. He was past it, but still not a bad second scalp to have.

He took a step up again against Judah, we all know how talented he is. He was a top ranked welter.

Sugar Shane was considered a top 3 welterweight, period.

He wasted some time with Gomez and then fought Margarito.

Cotto crammed all this, as well as his 140 resume in before he was 28, in 32 fights. You can discredit anybodys wins like that, Castillo was old and past it in my opinion, Tszyu had seen better days. But ultimately, he's fought so much world class opposition its impressive. I'm sure he'll continue to do that, and he'll end up with a deep competition level, win or loss.

[GazOC]

It is easier to justify a 1 round KO as a fluke than a 12 round win but its also easier to justify winning the second fight decisively as "setting the record" straight after a below par performance in the first fight.

[TFFP]

All the justifying usually calls for a rubber match for firm proof.

I'm sure Williams would beat him again, and I do tend to believe Williams has improved and particularly unperformed, but it does not take away from the fact Quintana must be a world class fighter to do what he did.

[GazOC]

Williams would beat Quintana in a rematch, but I can't see one happening. Willaims is after bigger things (at a heavier weight), theres no real call for the fight from fans who seem to take the "setting the record straight" opinion and somebody will beat Quintanta sooner rather than later and nix the fight all together.

[TFFP]

Williams would beat Quintana in a rematch, but I can't see one happening. Willaims is after bigger things (at a heavier weight), theres no real call for the fight from fans who seem to take the "setting the record straight" opinion and somebody will beat Quintanta sooner rather than later and nix the fight all together.
Agreed. An unheraled fighter like Quintana does not have the same leverage Williams had to get a rematch. I'm not even sure he's called for the fight that much. Still, I was most impressed with Quintana, and I'm sure he can get back into things and mix it at the world class level.

I remember taking Williams in the rematch when everybody was doubting him, and the polls were running well in favour of the Puerto Rican. Now people are talking about him as potentially completing feats to match Henry Armstrong. Funny how these things work.

[GazOC]

I was sure of Williams in the rematch but, then again, I was also sure of him in the first fight!! It was just a sloppy performance, thats not to take anything away from Quintanta who is a world class fighter but the win over Willaims on his record flatters his ability IMHO.

[kerrminator]

Hattons win over tszyu was a good win but its hard to ig nore the fact Kostya had only fought a couple of rounds in about 3 or so years beforehand

[JonOli]

But surely, if he beats Pac, he'll have to bow at his feet and sing his name from the hilltops?

No chance, I bet TFFP has already written his piece on totally discrediting a win - even though he tips pac to win!

BettyS tipped Tszyu to bash up Hatton, and he's still writing KT was shot to shit threads to this day - nearly 4 years later.

[JonOli]

Hattons win over tszyu was a good win but its hard to ig nore the fact Kostya had only fought a couple of rounds in about 3 or so years beforehand


That's because when he did fight (which admittedly wasn't that often) he kept knocking people out. Perhaps people would hold the win in greater esteem if Zoo hadn't knocked his opponents out so quickly before he met Hatton, and laboured a few points wins... but then people would be saying Zoo couldn't even take out... etc etc...

*He'd fought 21 rounds in 3 years - not many admittedly*

[trotter]

Cotto crammed all this, as well as his 140 resume in before he was 28, in 32 fights. You can discredit anybodys wins like that, Castillo was old and past it in my opinion, Tszyu had seen better days. But ultimately, he's fought so much world class opposition its impressive. I'm sure he'll continue to do that, and he'll end up with a deep competition level, win or loss.

Yeah... I'm not knocking him. Beating Shane in particular was a good win.

I think he's fought good competition, and I think Arum has matched him well.

I'm just picking apart his record as you've done to Hatton's. The more I look at it though the more obvious these guys are both top level fighters, with all-in-all similar records at this stage.

They both failed their ultimate tests too, sadly, because I like both fighters.

[widdy]

in all fairness,hattons loss at welter was to the p4p boxer,he got stopped,but so did cotto to a lesser boxer than hatton at the same weight(not saying margo's bad ofcourse)
even the loss looks better on hattons record!
has cotto been calling out mayweather,if he has he been whispering

as i said before both are top boxers,i just think hattons that bit better,maybe i fancy him,maybe i want some man love of him though

[kerrminator]

That's because when he did fight (which admittedly wasn't that often) he kept knocking people out. Perhaps people would hold the win in greater esteem if Zoo hadn't knocked his opponents out so quickly before he met Hatton, and laboured a few points wins... but then people would be saying Zoo couldn't even take out... etc etc...

*He'd fought 21 rounds in 3 years - not many admittedly*

Yeah but he had only fought 3 rounds in 2 and a half years as he stepped in with Ricky. It was a great win for Hatton and KT put up a great fight but I doubt he was in his prime at the time.

Cotto imo would have beaten Hatton at both weights. perhaps the only chance Hatton would have had was right at the end of Cotto's 140 reign when the weight was becoming ridiculously tough to make and causing him to perform at about 40%.

[jc]

I think Cotto has the better depth of wins, but Hatton has the stand out names in Tszyu and Castillo.

Cotto for me is the better fighter with the better resume though.


ps im sick to death of the word 'resume'...

[trotter]

I think Cotto has the better depth of wins, but Hatton has the stand out names in Tszyu and Castillo.

Cotto for me is the better fighter with the better resume though.


ps im sick to death of the word 'resume'...

Yeah TFFP and certain others are very, very guilty of using Americanisms, they really ought to stop.

It's hard in a US dominated sport not to pick these things up but we should try.

To me using excessive Americanisms is the ultimate in 'nuthugging' - as they would say

[mattress]

No chance, I bet TFFP has already written his piece on totally discrediting a win - even though he tips pac to win!

BettyS tipped Tszyu to bash up Hatton, and he's still writing KT was shot to shit threads to this day - nearly 4 years later.

If that really is the case, then they obviously have serious mental issues. I know Betty has become a Joke of legendary proportion for his dismissal of Tszyu ,only after tipping him to beat Hatton!

I can't see how anyone of sound mind will be able to discredit Hatton if he does beat Pac......even TFFP.

[Thomasl19]

Hatton would win at 140. Come on Jennings