Recent Russian amateur boxing news: Tischenko, Chakhiev, Lebziak

[avk47]

Alexei Tischenko will never go pro

Two times olympic champion Aleksi Tischenko has said that he doesn't want to go pro. 24-year old Tischenko says he hasn't decided whether he wants to continue his career in top sports. He is also considering quiting sports to become a businessman or entering civil service.

Tischenko also told reporters that he is currently resting and only doing light training. He will decide whether to continue in amateur boxing in a year, which will depend on "how I feel and some kind of inner state." The boxer says he is currently not thinking about attempting to win a third gold medal, and his trainer has already agreed with national coach Khromov that Tischenko may not box at all in the coming year. "But after a year I will reconsider."

ALEKSANDER LEBZIAK IS FIRED FROM HIS JOB
Former Olympic champion and head coach Aleksander Lebziak has been removed from his duties and replaced by his former coach and predecessor
Nikolai Khromov, who coached the national team for 1992-2005.

62-year old Khromov won Soviet titles as an athlete as well as European bronze in 1971. He was involved in the preparation of Oleg Saitov, Aleksandr Lebziak, Raimkul' Malakhbekov and Aleksandr Maletin.
Indeed, Khromov has taken on the club coach of Makarenko and Maletin - Wolf, as one of his assistant senior coaches.

Khromov commented: "After looking through the current team I have come to the conclusion that I will have to start everything from scratch. There is no point to look for differences between Lebziak's team and Khromov's, - I will have a completely different team. Firstly, the current team is much younger. Considering the departure of Tischenko and Rakhim Chakhiev, who are unlikely to return to the team, we currently don't have a leader in 60 and 91kg. Sergei Vodopyanov has moved up from 54kg to 57kg, as has Albert Selimov (57kg to 60kg) and they will have to prove their worth. I have no idea what the future national team will look like. I am looking at 2-3 candidates per spot, and they will have to work for it. Selection for the main tournament- the World Championships in Milan, will take place in international tournaments and in the European Championships. The decider will be a tournament in Khanty-Mansiysk in July, where the 8th strongest in each weioght will box. It doesn't mean I will chose the winners, but they will have the highest chances."

Lebziak has also stated agreement with the decision of the boxing federation: " I will not be heart-broken about it - I'm not a child and I understand everything adequetly. Its not important who is the national coach, as long as all of us are working separatly and together for the good of Russian boxing. Although I replaced Nikolai Dmitrievich Khromov as the head coach, Khromov was still involved, coaching several of the team members. I plan to return to coaching the Army Team (CSKA), and will be preparing lads for the national team, for world championships and olympic games."

Lebziak also denied rumors linking him to a possible coaching job for Azerbajan "I will never train other countries' national teams. Azerbaijan?! I am a citizen and patriot of Russia, I support Russian boxing with all my heart and soul and will never leave anywhere."

[NBT]

So what's happening with Chakkhiev, that's a bit vague? Does that mean he is just taking some time off or doing a Timurziev and retiring or turning pro?

[avk47]

So what's happening with Chakkhiev, that's a bit vague? Does that mean he is just taking some time off or doing a Timurziev and retiring or turning pro?

Not sure. Officially Chakhiev has denied all rumors of signing with promoters. It seems likely that he is done with amateurs, but unlike Tischenko he has not stated that he doesn't want to go pro, and says he has offers. Meanwhile, he is still enjoying winning the olympics:
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[avk47]

I am so glad that Chakhiev kept Gold away from that annoying, cocky Russo! It definitely seems like Chakhiev is going to try the professional ranks.

I reckon there is a good chance. He's getting some good media exposure in Russia right now - could be a base to work off.

[NBT]

I am so glad that Chakhiev kept Gold away from that annoying, cocky Russo!
Definitely. It was one of the highlights of the Olympics to see Russo crying like a true Italian after his loss in the final. :yep
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[Mendoza]

I am so glad that Chakhiev kept Gold away from that annoying, cocky Russo! It definitely seems like Chakhiev is going to try the professional ranks.


For sure. Chakhiev is a real fighter. A tough guy, who seeks to slug it out.

Most amateurs who do not turn pro fear the pro game or think they won't make it big. Chakhiev has little fear in the ring.

[avk47]

For sure. Chakhiev is a real fighter. A tough guy, who seeks to slug it out.

Most amateurs who do not turn pro fear the pro game or think they won't make it big. Chakhiev has little fear in the ring.

Agreed. And to be honest, of the Russian olympic team that year, he was the one I least expected to win a gold medal, and thought Romanchuk should have been chosen over him. I thought he was beter made for the pros.

[Artani]

Chakhiev have a style for profesional boxing. I think he is more talented than Alexaev. He looking like new David Tua ...

[avk47]

Chakhiev have a style for profesional boxing. I think he is more talented than Alexaev. He looking like new David Tua ...

:nono Alexeev beats him in all components: handspeed, footwork, combination punching, balance, punch etc.

[Artani]

:nono Alexeev beats him in all components: handspeed, footwork, combination punching, balance, punch etc.

He can do better AVK in pro .....

[avk47]

He can do better AVK in pro .....

Why? Alexeev will be a cruiserweight champion. Very soon.

[Kolya]

Why? Alexeev will be a cruiserweight champion. Very soon.


You should know by now to just not bother arguing here. :lol:

[Kolya]

For sure. Chakhiev is a real fighter. A tough guy, who seeks to slug it out.

Most amateurs who do not turn pro fear the pro game or think they won't make it big. Chakhiev has little fear in the ring.


Maybe they just like amateur boxing more?

[Mendoza]

Maybe they just like amateur boxing more?

I have spoken to some pros, and asked the question what is the main difference between amateur boxing and pro boxing.

Its safety. It is conditioning, and balls. The ref really looks out for amateurs. Amateur boxers do not need to be as conditioned. The danger level is 3x in the pros.

The fat cat amateurs who make a great living can stay there if they wish. I still say the best amateurs who do not go pro, but can make more money in the pro’s lack the dedication and grit of what it takes to turn professional at the highest level.

[Kolya]

Yeah, pro boxing more resembles am arathon where you have to pace yourself, whereas amateur boxing is a sprint where you go balls to the wall for 9 minutes. And there's nothing that makes a pro more ballsy or brave than an amateur. A guy in the amateurs is still, at the top level, going in with a guy who can render you unconscious and is going to try to do so. It's just not a blood sport like the pros; where the ref will let you get fucked up so people get their "money's worth".

[avk47]

Yeah, pro boxing more resembles am arathon where you have to pace yourself, whereas amateur boxing is a sprint where you go balls to the wall for 9 minutes. And there's nothing that makes a pro more ballsy or brave than an amateur. A guy in the amateurs is still, at the top level, going in with a guy who can render you unconscious and is going to try to do so. It's just not a blood sport like the pros; where the ref will let you get fucked up so people get their "money's worth".

Exactly. Pro boxing = entertainment. Amateur boxing = sport (although this is being wrecked by dodgy judging.

[Kolya]

Exactly. Pro boxing = entertainment. Amateur boxing = sport (although this is being wrecked by dodgy judging.


I hope AIBA introduces the new scoring system soon; and I hope it is like a computerized form of the paper scoring we use domestically in the US outside of the National Championships.

[NBT]

Its safety. It is conditioning, and balls. The ref really looks out for amateurs. Amateur boxers do not need to be as conditioned. The danger level is 3x in the pros.
And you think that it's a good thing, that the danger is higher? What's wrong with you? :huh
Conditioning... They are conditioned for what they need to to. Is a 100 m runner better or worse conditioned than long distance runner?
If guys like Toney are considerered as top contender or if I see Holyfield and Valuev having a hard time throwing 10 punches a round in a world championship fight any claim of the need for better conditioning than in amateur boxing sounds truely hilarious to me. Amateur fights are usually fought at a much higher pace than pro fights, especially in the higher weights. Amateur boxer fight in tournaments which mean they don't fight once and take the next 6 months off enjoying life but fight again the next day and the day after that.

I still say the best amateurs who do not go pro, but can make more money in the pro’s lack the dedication and grit of what it takes to turn professional at the highest level.
Actually it is the exact opposition, it proves your love for the sport if you don't let yourself get tempted by the hope of money. What requires more dedication? Doing 2-3 fights a year and enjoying the easy life for the rest of the time or being a carrer amateur with maybe 400 fights in your career?

[avk47]

And you think that it's a good thing, that the danger is higher? What's wrong with you? :huh
Conditioning... They are conditioned for what they need to to. Is a 100 m runner better or worse conditioned than long distance runner?
If guys like Toney are considerered as top contender or if I see Holyfield and Valuev having a hard time throwing 10 punches a round in a world championship fight any claim of the need for better conditioning than in amateur boxing sounds truely hilarious to me. Amateur fights are usually fought at a much higher pace than pro fights, especially in the higher weights. Amateur boxer fight in tournaments which mean they don't fight once and take the next 6 months off enjoying life but fight again the next day and the day after that.


Actually it is the exact opposition, it proves your love for the sport if you don't let yourself get tempted by the hope of money. What requires more dedication? Doing 2-3 fights a year and enjoying the easy life for the rest of the time or being a carrer amateur with maybe 400 fights in your career?

Exactly. Amateur boxing is a way of life rather than just a sport, even if you aren't even a top notch guy. The amount of time, discipline, sacrifice even club boxers put in is insane, even once it is fairly clear that they will never make it to the top. My coach boxed amateur from 9 years old till he had to stop at 34. He had several hundred amateur bouts, but never got out of the regional finals in the nationals, and lost as many as he's won. That's what love for the sport is. How many pro's in the current age can you say something like that about? The majority of them just need the money, and don't even have regional open-class amateur level skills.

[avk47]

I hope AIBA introduces the new scoring system soon; and I hope it is like a computerized form of the paper scoring we use domestically in the US outside of the National Championships.

Yep, agreed. The worst thing is getting in there against a guy who uses the hit, run, clinch tactic the entire match, with a ref who does nothing to stop him.

On the other hand though, as long as there is judging involved, what happened in Beijing can always happen again. That was the only olympic boxing tournament that I actually stopped watching after seeing the first few days!

[Kolya]

Yep, agreed. The worst thing is getting in there against a guy who uses the hit, run, clinch tactic the entire match, with a ref who does nothing to stop him.

On the other hand though, as long as there is judging involved, what happened in Beijing can always happen again. That was the only olympic boxing tournament that I actually stopped watching after seeing the first few days!


I couldn't help myself. It was like a train wreck you can't stop watching. :lol:

[avk47]

I couldn't help myself. It was like a train wreck you can't stop watching. :lol:

Are you referring to your style of boxing as a trainwreck you cant help watching? :patsch :
Yep, agreed. The worst thing is getting in there against a guy who uses the hit, run, clinch tactic the entire match, with a ref who does nothing to stop him.

On the other hand though, as long as there is judging involved, what happened in Beijing can always happen again. That was the only olympic boxing tournament that I actually stopped watching after seeing the first few days!

[Kolya]

Are you referring to your style of boxing as a trainwreck you cant help watching? :patsch :
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:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl I don't clinch much.

[ko brother]

any news on ukrainian vasyl lomanchenko?

[znaak]

Last thing I heard was that his main goal this year was the Worlds in Italy. Haven't heard anything about turning pro... Maybe someone else has more to add on this?

[avk47]

Last thing I heard was that his main goal this year was the Worlds in Italy. Haven't heard anything about turning pro... Maybe someone else has more to add on this?

He recently underwent surgery to take care of a long-term injury. I think he's just back to amateur boxing. He really is an AWESOME boxer!

[znaak]

Thanks for the update! Yeah, he's got it all. Would love to see him in the pro ranks. Edit: On the other hand, I think the amateur boxing need boxers like him. They make the sport look good.

[lefty]

He recently underwent surgery to take care of a long-term injury. I think he's just back to amateur boxing. He really is an AWESOME boxer!

What was the injury? I thought that he looked a little less than his best at the world cup recently. Do you have any idea how he trains? His energy and stamina is incredible for his style of boxing.