Your top 10 favorite fighters?

[kirk]

I do this all the time... i like to see the changing landscape of names that crop up on lists as years go by....

mine, and this might be differant then my avatar... dont have time to change it though


1 - Vargas
2 - Hatton
3 - Wlad
4 - Ward
5 - Ouma
6 - Miranda
7 - Cotto
8 - Morales
9 - *i dont want to say cuz of an upcoming fight* lol...
10 - Judah


Yours?

[jonesjrp4p1]

active?

1. roy jones jr
2. zab judah
3. shane mosley
4. jermain taylor
5. floyd mayweather jr
6. paul williams.


then thats where it stops

[King Dan]

Current fighters I assume:

1. Dawson
2. Mosley
2. Cotto
4. Pavlik
5. Travis Simms
6. Barrera
7. Taylor
8. Toney
9. Izzy
10. Rafa

[Thread Stealer]

All-time favorite ten, no order except for Mike Tyson being #1:

Mike Tyson
Joe Louis
Dwight Qawi
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Ray Robinson
Julian Jackson
Diego Corrales
Manny Pacquiao
James Toney (I lost respect for him lately, but he still gets a spot on my all-time list for his whole career)
Terry Norris

I probably forgot some and will have to edit it. Oh well.

[Fab2333]

1- Roy Jones Jr.
2- Floyd MAyweather Jr.
3. Shane Mosley
4- Zab Judah
5- Jermain Taylor
6- Chad Dawson
7- Steve Forbes
8- Bernard Hopkins
9- Winky Wright
10- Miguel Cotto

im probably 4gettin some1, and the last 3 I just put there kinda to make the 10. But i do have my moments when I will root for them

[kirk]

oh damn how could i forget rafa....

got to rethink my list...

damn and corrales too.. might have to bumb judah off.

and i suppose it doesnt HAVE to be current... i have Ward on mine and hes retired.

[Fab2333]

Is this an all time list , or current fighters list? If its an all time list then this list will be changed

[mightyd40]

active

judah
mosley
williams
marquez/vasquez
idk after that



all time
tyson
liston
gans

[Mundo]

Top 3
Morales
Hoya
Cotto

Then in no order

rafael marquez
Chavez Jr
castillo
juan marquez
israel vazquez
Mosley
hatton

[kirk]

Is this an all time list , or current fighters list? If its an all time list then this list will be changed im not sure... up to you. mines an all time list... lol... i dont really care for past fighters all too much, i think the only past fighters i would have up on my list would be frazier, and hagler. im not well schooled on anything pre 80's.

[kirk]

Top 3
Morales
Hoya
Cotto

Then in no order

rafael marquez
Chavez Jr
castillo
juan marquez
israel vazquez
Mosley
hatton

dear god.... CHAVEZ JR????? :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

ay yai yai....

ay man im heading over now

[kirk]

Is this an all time list , or current fighters list? If its an all time list then this list will be changed

sorry to go off topic... but is that a photoshoped picture.. right? whos the model? i just cant imagine a woman actually being that perfect. lol.

[jonesjrp4p1]

all time

1. roy jones jr
2. mike tyson
3. pernell whitaker
4. sugar ray leonard
5. meldric taylor
6. aaron pryor
7. jack dempsey

then idk

[Fab2333]

im not sure... up to you. mines an all time list... lol... i dont really care for past fighters all too much, i think the only past fighters i would have up on my list would be frazier, and hagler. im not well schooled on anything pre 80's.

well in that case then my list changes a bit, im not going to go 2 far back

1- Roy Jones Jr.
2- "The Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3- Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
4- "Iron" Mike Tyson
5- Zab "Super" Judah
6- "Sugar" Shane Mosley
7- "Bad" Chad Dawson
8- Jermain "Bad Intentions" Taylor
9- Steve "2 Pound" Forbes
10- Ronald "WInky" Wright

[Fab2333]

sorry to go off topic... but is that a photoshoped picture.. right? whos the model? i just cant imagine a woman actually being that perfect. lol.

nope its not photoshoped at all, thats her actually body and face etc.

[King Dan]

all time:

Sanchez
Dawson
Corrales
Mosley
Cotto
Foreman
Wilfredo Gomez
Azumah
Lennox
Duran
Tunney
Greb
Hearns
Arguello

[Sheehan]

1. Lennox Lewis
2. Roy Jones Jr
3. Ricky Hatton
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Nigel Benn
6. Shane Mosley
7. Diego Corrales
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr
9. Kostya Tszyu
10. Prince Naseem

[MacManJr.]

All time

1. Ali
2. PBF
3. RJ Jr.
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Tommy Hearns
6. Iron Mike
7. B-Hop
8. Hagler
9. Sugar Shane
10. Prince Naseem

Current
1. PBF
2. Juan Diaz
3. Pacman
4. Winky
5. B-Hop
6. Sugar Shane
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Jorge Arce
10. RJ Jr.

[sthomas]

No particular order, all time favorites:

Arguello
Salvador Sanchez (beat my @ the time Favrite Little Red Lopez)
Ali
Marciano
Jack Johnson
Comeback era Foreman
Chavez SENIOR
Matthew SAAD Muhammad
Joe Louis
Pre-Tyson Michael Spinks

[brooklyn1550]

CURRENT
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Ricky Hatton
Miguel Cotto
Samuel Peter
Kelly Pavlik
Arthur Abraham
Manny Pacquiao
Juan Manuel Marquez
Jeff Lacy

PAST
Pernell Whitaker
Aaron Pryor
Roberto Duran
Sonny Liston
Salvador Sanchez
Marvin Hagler
Harry Greb
Diego Corrales
Matthew Saad Muhammad

[bb251]

morales
barrera
pac man
cotto
sugar shane
odh
arce
toney
v. klitty
pavlik

[English Nutter]

1) Joe Calzaghe
2) Lennox Lewis
3) Mike Tyson
4) Ricky Hatton
5) Nigel Benn
6) Frank Bruno
7) Pacman
8) Enzo Macaranelli
9) Chris Eubank
10) Amir Khan:yikes

This list is based on excitment factor(which is generally what sports should be about),and are only boxers i've seen a few times so i can judge them

[RDJ]

At the moment, could be completely different next week. In random order.

Mike Tyson
Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney
Floyd Mayweather
Johnny Tapia
Bernard Hopkins
Alexander Povetkin
Joe Louis

Can't think of two more that I favor.

[English Nutter]

Can i see a slightly bias towards british fighters? :D being british the answer would be yes,like i said it is fighters i've seen,i mean all the americans have picked americans,there not obviously the best ever fighters(although i do regard calzaghe and tyson in this catergory),there just boxers i've had the pleasure of seeing

[McGrain]

ALL TIME -

1 - Charley Burley
2 - Sonny Liston
3 - Joe Louis
4 - James J Braddock
5 - Sam Langford
6 - Dick Tiger
7 - Jack Johnson
8 - Bernard Hopkins
9 - Lennox Lewis
10-Sugar Ray Robinson


CURRENT

1 - Bernard Hopkins
2 - Juan Manuel Marquez
3 - Miguel Cotto
4 - Marc Antonio Barrera
5 - Ricky Hatton
6 - Ruslan Chagaev
7 - Floyd Mayweather
8 - Joe Calzaghe
9 - Manny Pacquiao
10-Shane Mosley

[Lacyace]

Frazier
RJJ
L. Holmes
PBF
Forrest
Hopkins
SRL
Taylor
N. Campbell
R. Bowe
Cintron

[English Nutter]

Oh, i´m not holding that againt you. Who am i to do so? Just thought it´s funny when i see the list of all the others ;) I have more British fighters on my list than German btw. Thats cool mate,where's Mario Veit on your list!!:lol: only joking:good

[hopkinsfan07]

active fighters

1. Hopkins
2. Calzaghe
3. Morales
4. Wright
5. Dela Hoya
6. Pacman
7. Roy Jones
8. Pavlik
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Hatton

[Ramshall1]

lol..

all Black fighters.

Go figure. :yep

I was thinkin the same thing. . .I wonder if Steve Forbes would make the list if he werent black. :lol:

[Fab2333]

lol..

all Black fighters.

Go figure. :yep

wat does that mean, or wat are you implying

[Napoleon]

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Shane Mosley
3. Kostya Tszyu
4. Arturo Gatti
5. Vitali Klitschko
6. Wlad Klitschko
7. Tommy Hearns
8. Winky Wright
9. Pernell Whitaker
10. Joe Frazier

[Fab2333]

I was thinkin the same thing. . .I wonder if Steve Forbes would make the list if he werent black. :lol:dont turn this into some kind of race war, so wat If my favorite fighters are black wat does that prove?

[Ramshall1]

1. JLC
2. Vargas
3. Shane
4. Morales
5. Marquez
6. Lacy
7. Sam Peter
8. Margarito
9. Pac
10. Vasquez

[Ramshall1]

dont turn this into some kind of race war, so wat If my favorite fighters are black wat does that prove?

just pointing out the obvious man, if thats what makes you tick then so be it.

[the_what]

Muhammad Ali
Aaron Pryor
Wilfred Benitez
Wilfredo Gomez
Tim Austin
Felix Trinidad
Roy Jones
Shane Mosley
Marco Antonio Barrera
Miguel Cotto

[Ramshall1]

:lol: I wouldn't have expected different. All brawlers or punchers, majority Latino.

I like "fighters" and will never apologize for it. . . at least I dont choose strictly on race.

BTW, I would say Shane has a perfect blend of offense and defense as does Marquez.

[Fab2333]

just pointing out the obvious man, if thats what makes you tick then so be it.And your list has mostly latinos, and are brawler type fighters. I dont understand what was the purpose in the 1st palce of even pointin that out.

[Napoleon]

And your list has mostly latinos, and are brawler type fighters. I dont understand what was the purpose in the 1st palce of even pointin that out.

Who's the girl in the avatar. It looks lie a video game or something.

[Ramshall1]

Shane doesn't even have particularly good defense, and Marquez really showed his recently as well. :lol:

Shane may not have great D. . . but it is good. . . I was refering to Juan Manuel. . . But Rafa has shown good D as well. . . he may have stood with Izzy a bit too much but there is no shame in getting hurt by Zasquez. . .he's a little beast.

[Ramshall1]

And your list has mostly latinos, and are brawler type fighters. I dont understand what was the purpose in the 1st palce of even pointin that out.

nevermind man.

[Fab2333]

I like "fighters" and will never apologize for it. . . at least I dont choose strictly on race.

BTW, I would say Shane has a perfect blend of offense and defense as does Marquez.

neither do I, I choose strictly on skill. And the fighters I listed have the best skill that money can buy. Is it wrong 4 me to like the best out there. And the best out there just happens to b black? I dont understand that.
Fighters you like are ok and defend from a skil standpoint are just ok. And you fault me b/c I like fighters with great skill? Xcuse me if I like the fighter that perfected his raft, a fighter who doesnt want to b a mediocre boxer, they learned all the tricks to the trade. I am an amateur myself, why woud I want to model myself after a Margarito when some1 out there is better than him. Im no racist lets get that str8, I love all people, white, black hispanic. evry color, and evry race I got love 4. SHit i have hispanic in me. But me loving black fighters dont mean nothing. Its a fact that they are better fighters, and tell me if im wrong?

[Fab2333]

Who's the girl in the avatar. It looks lie a video game or something.
nah shes real man, she jus got body paint on. THats all real lol

[Proud Warrior]

Hatton
Benn
Tszyu
MAB
Duran
Tyson
Prince Naz
Hearns
JC

And a special mention at No10 for Clubber Lang!!! :bbb:rofl

[Napoleon]

nah shes real man, she jus got body paint on. THats all real lol

Who is it?:think

[Ramshall1]

neither do I, I choose strictly on skill. And the fighters I listed have the best skill that money can buy. Is it wrong 4 me to like the best out there. And the best out there just happens to b black? I dont understand that.
Fighters you like are ok and defend from a skil standpoint are just ok. And you fault me b/c I like fighters with great skill? Xcuse me if I like the fighter that perfected his raft, a fighter who doesnt want to b a mediocre boxer, they learned all the tricks to the trade. I am an amateur myself, why woud I want to model myself after a Margarito when some1 out there is better than him. Im no racist lets get that str8, I love all people, white, black hispanic. evry color, and evry race I got love 4. SHit i have hispanic in me. But me loving black fighters dont mean nothing. Its a fact that they are better fighters, and tell me if im wrong?

youre wrong. . . in general they are the faster boxer. . . but the best "fighters" are usually Mexican. . . used to be Italian. . . .may be changing to Asian.

[Fab2333]

youre wrong. . . in general they are the faster boxer. . . but the best "fighters" are usually Mexican. . . used to be Italian. . . .may be changing to Asian.

ok, lets have a little debate here. Prove me wrong, we will have an educated, debate, so if anyone wants to chime in, chime in. IM not racist, and im not going to say Ramshall is either. Blacks are better fighters IMO, and its a fact.

WHo is the best fighter to ever put on gloves? Or the best 2 fighters?
Most people may say one or the other

[Ramshall1]

ok, lets have a little debate here. Prove me wrong, we will have an educated, debate, so if anyone wants to chime in, chime in. IM not racist, and im not going to say Ramshall is either. Blacks are better fighters IMO, and its a fact.

WHo is the best fighter to ever put on gloves? Or the best 2 fighters?
Most people may say one or the other

are we talking "fighters" or "boxers"?

[Fab2333]

are we talking "fighters" or "boxers"?

same thing boxing is fighting. If you had to compile a list of the greatest boxers of all time since we are talkin about the sport of "Boxing". Who is the best?

[English Nutter]

ok, lets have a little debate here. Prove me wrong, we will have an educated, debate, so if anyone wants to chime in, chime in. IM not racist, and im not going to say Ramshall is either. Blacks are better fighters IMO, and its a fact.

WHo is the best fighter to ever put on gloves? Or the best 2 fighters?
Most people may say one or the other Im not a racist one little bit,but it is strange that there do tend to be more black fighters than white,why? well i cant answer it,but in answer to your question,you'd have to say black,Ali and Tyson in there day were better than anyone

[Fab2333]

Im not a racist one little bit,but it is strange that there do tend to be more black fighters than white,why? well i cant answer it,but in answer to your question,you'd have to say black,Ali and Tyson in there day were better than anyone

I wont say there is more black than white, I think its an even playing field. Ou have black fighters, white fighters, hispanic. Evry1 is mixed in their. Ok so the best are black, so that proves it. And if you want to go by division we can. And ima prove it again. And if you want to go prime 4 prime with anyone I listed on my list, ima prove it again.

[Ramshall1]

same thing boxing is fighting. If you had to compile a list of the greatest boxers of all time since we are talkin about the sport of "Boxing". Who is the best?

there is a difference . . .example SRL was a "boxer". . . Hagler was a "fighter".

[Fab2333]

Im not a racist one little bit,but it is strange that there do tend to be more black fighters than white,why? well i cant answer it,but in answer to your question,you'd have to say black,Ali and Tyson in there day were better than anyone
point taken

[Fab2333]

there is a difference . . .example SRL was a "boxer". . . Hagler was a "fighter".

ok like I said be4, we are compiling a list for the sport of Boxing, this is a sport and its called boxing. Yes there are people with different style. You ahve a pure boxer, and then you have sluggers. And all variations in between. But evry1 ATG list 4 #1 and #2 are going to b black. And tell me im wrong

[Ramshall1]

ok like I said be4, we are compiling a list for the sport of Boxing, this is a sport and its called boxing. Yes there are people with different style. You ahve a pure boxer, and then you have sluggers. And all variations in between. But evry1 ATG list 4 #1 and #2 are going to b black. And tell me im wrong

the sport of Boxing's scoring criterea favors the "boxer" . . of course "boxers" will top the list.

[Fab2333]

the sport of Boxing's scoring criterea favors the "boxer" . . of course "boxers" will top the list. NO Ramshall my friend that is a cop out. If a brawler was wooping evry top contender ass. He would b up there as well. THe sport of Basketball the game favors more flashy players now. But yet a player like Tim Duncan when its all said and done will be high on the ATG list will he not. KG is a great PF, but yet TIM duncan if KG doesnt win any rings, will be ranked higher than him. Billy Wagner never had an overpowering fast ball in the MLB. But when its all said and done he will b high on the ATG list.

Thats just a cop out, if your style is to brawl, and you brawl effectively to W's then no matter what you will be on the list pretty high. No1 has been able 2 do that feat is why they not up there. If Miguel Cotto stays undefeated, and beats all the top contenders in teh Welterweight division, moves up and beats the top contenders at 154, 160 for arguement sake. WIns championships, you wont think he will be high on the ATG list is what you sayin. Jsut b/c he is a brawler

[Ramshall1]

NO Ramshall my friend that is a cop out. If a brawler was wooping evry top contender ass. He would b up there as well. THe sport of Basketball the game favors more flashy players now. But yet a player like Tim Duncan when its all said and done will be high on the ATG list will he not. KG is a great PF, but yet TIM duncan if KG doesnt win any rings, will be ranked higher than him. Billy Wagner never had an overpowering fast ball in the MLB. But when its all said and done he will b high on the ATG list.

Thats just a cop out, if your style is to brawl, and you brawl effectively to W's then no matter what you will be on the list pretty high. No1 has been able 2 do that feat is why they not up there. If Miguel Cotto stays undefeated, and beats all the top contenders in teh Welterweight division, moves up and beats the top contenders at 154, 160 for arguement sake. WIns championships, you wont think he will be high on the ATG list is what you sayin. Jsut b/c he is a brawler


the NBA didnt used to have a shot clock. . . then they had temas hold on to the ball for looong periods of time to "shorten" the game. . . the contest would come down to the last seconds . . . thus giving the "holding" team a much better chance to win . . . Thats how guys like Spinks, Camacho, Whitaker etc box. . . they run away from their opponant (hold) . . . and shorten the game/round. This is encouraged in boxing scoring - ring generalship . . .thus an equally talented "boxer" will almost always have the advantage over the "fighter".

[Fab2333]

the NBA didnt used to have a shot clock. . . then they had temas hold on to the ball for looong periods of time to "shorten" the game. . . the contest would come down to the last seconds . . . thus giving the "holding" team a much better chance to win . . . Thats how guys like Spinks, Camacho, Whitaker etc box. . . they run away from their opponant (hold) . . . and shorten the game/round. This is encouraged in boxing scoring - ring generalship . . .thus an equally talented "boxer" will almost always have the advantage over the "fighter".

and people that do HOF votings analyze that. If you look at the best teams in the NBA of all time. All the times are post shot clock era.
LA Lakers
Boston Celtics
Chicago Bulls
San Antonio. Just to name a few
So thats no xcuse.

you still not answering my ? If for arguement sake, Cotto was to beat, SHane mosley, PBF, Paul Williams, Contron, Clottey, move up fight corey spinks, vernon forrest, move up beat jermain taylor, kelly pavilik. beat couple other fighters at those weights and win titles at teh same time, and remain undefeated. He wouldnt be high on the ATG list?
Personally I dont think ya stlye has nothin to do with that. i favor the boxer, but if there was a brawler that could accomplish such a feat then you have no choice but to rank him up there. B/c he is gettin the job done. If that so b the case like I said be4, KG would b ranked higher than TIm duncan on the ATG list for basketball. B.c the game is about excitement now. And tim duncan is fundamental.

[Ramshall1]

and people that do HOF votings analyze that. If you look at the best teams in the NBA of all time. All the times are post shot clock era.
LA Lakers
Boston Celtics
Chicago Bulls
San Antonio. Just to name a few
So thats no xcuse.

you still not answering my ? If for arguement sake, Cotto was to beat, SHane mosley, PBF, Paul Williams, Contron, Clottey, move up fight corey spinks, vernon forrest, move up beat jermain taylor, kelly pavilik. beat couple other fighters at those weights and win titles at teh same time, and remain undefeated. He wouldnt be high on the ATG list?
Personally I dont think ya stlye has nothin to do with that. i favor the boxer, but if there was a brawler that could accomplish such a feat then you have no choice but to rank him up there. B/c he is gettin the job done. If that so b the case like I said be4, KG would b ranked higher than TIm duncan on the ATG list for basketball. B.c the game is about excitement now. And tim duncan is fundamental.

Thats cause they have a choice. . . Boxing never instituted a shot clock or "punch clock" or anything like that.

Cotto will not do all that, Cotto is an offensive fighter and if he faces too many top level "boxers" he will eventually lose. I think Spinks would have a good shot at outpointing him cause of the style matchup. . . a top level "boxer" has the advantage of scroring criterea of a top level "fighter" - thats my point.

[Fab2333]

Thats cause they have a choice. . . Boxing never instituted a shot clock or "punch clock" or anything like that.

Cotto will not do all that, Cotto is an offensive fighter and if he faces too many top level "boxers" he will eventually lose. I think Spinks would have a good shot at outpointing him cause of the style matchup. . . a top level "boxer" has the advantage of scroring criterea of a top level "fighter" - thats my point.

your ducking and dodgin the ?'s im posing Ramshall. You changing the scenerio. Answer the ? given my scenerio, If cotto was to achieve wat i said, where would he be ranked on the ATG list? B/c you kno im right is why you keep changing the scenerio and dogdin it.

[Ramshall1]

your ducking and dodgin the ?'s im posing Ramshall. You changing the scenerio. Answer the ? given my scenerio, If cotto was to achieve wat i said, where would he be ranked on the ATG list? B/c you kno im right is why you keep changing the scenerio and dogdin it.

of course "IF" Cotto beats all these guys he woulkd be up there. . . but thats a freakin fantasy. The guys that have the best chances of being effective at higher weights are "boxers" . . . scoring criterea in boxing favors their style - thats the point. We cant get around that point.

[Fab2333]

of course "IF" Cotto beats all these guys he woulkd be up there. . . but thats a freakin fantasy. The guys that have the best chances of being effective at higher weights are "boxers" . . . scoring criterea in boxing favors their style - thats the point. We cant get around that point.

your right that is a fantasy, and like you said boxers will be mroe effective. So its not b/c its the sport of boxing is why boxers will b higher. Its mainly b/c the boxers are the ones winning. B/c if Miguel COtto accomplished that then he will sure as hell b up there on the ATG list. Has nothing to do with being a brawler or being a "boxer" its about W's and the people you are beating 4 those W's period

[dave82]

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Ray Leonard
3. Shane Mosley
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Tommy Hearns
6. Jack Dempsey
7. Evander Hoyfield
8. Ike Quartey
9. Arturo Gatti
10. Mike Tyson

[Ramshall1]

your right that is a fantasy, and like you said boxers will be mroe effective. So its not b/c its the sport of boxing is why boxers will b higher. Its mainly b/c the boxers are the ones winning. B/c if Miguel COtto accomplished that then he will sure as hell b up there on the ATG list. Has nothing to do with being a brawler or being a "boxer" its about W's and the people you are beating 4 those W's period

its symantics. . . Boxing is the sport . . ."boxers" are more defensive minded. .. . "fighters" are more offensive minded . . ."brawlers" have almost no defense.

I agree with Larry Merchant that the sport needs to evolve as othert sports have done . . . smaller rings, smaller gloves, score more to the agressor, the guy actually trying to "make the fight". This would hurt guys like SPinks, FMJ but would certainly help the sport.

[juancho214]

10.Israel Vasquez
9.Miguel Cotto
8.Cristian Mijares
7.Kelly Pavilik
6.Juan Diaz
5.Jose Luis Castillo
4.Winky Wright
3.Jhonny Gonzalez
2.Juan Manuel Marquez
1.Rafael Marquez
I have only been watching Boxing since summer 05

[Fab2333]

its symantics. . . Boxing is the sport . . ."boxers" are more defensive minded. .. . "fighters" are more offensive minded . . ."brawlers" have almost no defense.

I agree with Larry Merchant that the sport needs to evolve as othert sports have done . . . smaller rings, smaller gloves, score more to the agressor, the guy actually trying to "make the fight". This would hurt guys like SPinks, FMJ but would certainly help the sport.

Listen man, I dont respect a thing that comes out of Larry Merchant mouth you know why. Is for one, he criticizes and dwonplays fighters when the fight doesnt resemble anything of Gatti and Ward. If a fighter goes in there and counterpucnhes all the way to a W he criticizes them. Until he puts on gloves and go in the ring his opinion dont mean shit 2 me. Cuz he doesnt know wat it is 2 b in there, fighting for ya life. You can die in a ring evrytimeu step in there. I give fighters props just for steppin through the ropes. He thinks evyrhtin is simple as stand and trade. And is not. The sport dont need to change, fighters need to stop selling themsekf short and learn thei craftmanship to a T.
THats why you will have the RJJ, FMJ, Sweet Pea, Muhammad Ali, Bernard Hopkins of the world.

and then you got people like Margarito, Hatton, Arturro Gatti's.
Fighters that are good againststationary fighters, but against elusive fighters they cant deal wit it. If they would learn to brawl and box then the sport would b fine. Evry fighter can b beaten lets no 4get that. All it takes is one punch . FMJ can b beaten, but theres no1 out there right now from a skill standpoint that can do it. Is why he is still wining. Fighters need to apply themself more and learn their craft, so fights will b more competitive and not look like sparring sessions for the elite.

[Fab2333]

Just sayin' man. You seem kind of biased. :yepim no way biased, im not even revisitin that. But im not biased those re jus who i like period

[Ramshall1]

Listen man, I dont respect a thing that comes out of Larry Merchant mouth you know why. Is for one, he criticizes and dwonplays fighters when the fight doesnt resemble anything of Gatti and Ward. If a fighter goes in there and counterpucnhes all the way to a W he criticizes them. Until he puts on gloves and go in the ring his opinion dont mean shit 2 me. Cuz he doesnt know wat it is 2 b in there, fighting for ya life. You can die in a ring evrytimeu step in there. I give fighters props just for steppin through the ropes. He thinks evyrhtin is simple as stand and trade. And is not. The sport dont need to change, fighters need to stop selling themsekf short and learn thei craftmanship to a T.
THats why you will have the RJJ, FMJ, Sweet Pea, Muhammad Ali, Bernard Hopkins of the world.

and then you got people like Margarito, Hatton, Arturro Gatti's.
Fighters that are good againststationary fighters, but against elusive fighters they cant deal wit it. If they would learn to brawl and box then the sport would b fine. Evry fighter can b beaten lets no 4get that. All it takes is one punch . FMJ can b beaten, but theres no1 out there right now from a skill standpoint that can do it. Is why he is still wining. Fighters need to apply themself more and learn their craft, so fights will b more competitive and not look like sparring sessions for the elite.

Merchant is not that bad. . .and I agree 100% with his view on smaller rings, smaller gloves and scoring for the agressor.

Lets take RJJ for example. . . when he was on his game (offense and defense) and focused he obliterated Montell Griffin in the rematch. . . then we had too many matches where he danced, clowned and ran. Bad for the sport.

Take Ali, yeah he would dance and backpeddle but he would always make a stand here and there and throw punches with bad intentions, he would go for the KO at points even against bigger/stronger comp like Frazier and Foreman - thats why I hold him in such high regard. . . he mixed it up nicely. Now look at how FMJ ran from Baldy for 12 rounds. . . pathetic.

[Gunnar]

Active fighters in no particular order:

Samuel Peter
Lamon Brewster
Oliver McCall
Alexander Povetkin
Roy Jones Jr
Winky Wright
Mikkel Kessler
Shane Mosley
Miguel Cotto
Manny Pacquiao

[myk]

1. Pac
2. Cotto
3. JMM
4. ODLH
5. Vazquez
6. Rafa
7. Barrera
8. Soto
9. Baby Bull
10. Darchinyan

[Carlos Primera]

no particular order

current active fighters:

jmm
pac
cotto
hopkins
vasquez
wlad
calzaghe
miranda
mayorga
martin castillo

favorite retired fighters:

duran
ali
tyson
morales
hearns
hagler
arguello
monzon
benn
whitaker

[Boricua - TLH]

Active fighters: (Not in order, and don't expect 2 c PBF or any HW in this list)

Pacman (Manny)
Kermit Cintrón
Juanma López
Ponce de León
Ivan Calderón
SSM (Mosely)
Kelly Pavlik
Andre Berto
Juan Manuel Márquez
Miguel Cotto

[hopkinsfan07]

lol..

all Black fighters.

Go figure. :yep

winky wright aint black

[kirk]

winky wright aint black lol... then what is he? :huh

[Mundo]

hey kirk, you left your keys here at my house...im goin to bed but i think my sis will be here....i work 2-10 today so if you want to swing by after 1 and get em you can.....hope you read this in time cause im off to bed now...

[ron u.k.]

barrera
hatton
pac
cotto
mayweather
calzaghe
winky
marquez
maccarnelli
hopkins

[Thread Stealer]

there is a difference . . .example SRL was a "boxer". . . Hagler was a "fighter".

Leonard had no problem getting down and dirty and "fighting" it out.

Hagler and Leonard were, for the most part, boxer-punchers.

Leonard was just flashier and had quicker feet/legs so he could use the ring more if need be, although Hagler was good in those areas too.

[hopkinsfan07]

lol... then what is he? :huh
not black

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[Irish Steel]

1. Mickey Ward
2. Wlad Klitshko
3. Dempsey
4. Calzaghe
5. Ricky Hatton

some others

John Duddy
Barry Mcguigan
Ken Buchanan
Golota
Braddock

[Mind Reader]

Roy Jones Jr
Shane Mosley
Bernard Hopkins
Marco Antonio Barrera
Tommy Hearns
Ray Robinson
Ricky Hatton
Pernell Whitaker
Evander Holyfield
Marvin Hagler

no paticular order after the top 5

[Irish Steel]

same thing boxing is fighting. If you had to compile a list of the greatest boxers of all time since we are talkin about the sport of "Boxing". Who is the best?

Youre wrong. Its the socio-economic times that produce great fighters! Not necessarily genetics(but they do play a small role). IN the 20's and 30's it was the irish. They were poor, and resorted to boxing as a way out. Then it was the Italians. Then for 60's-2000 It was mainly blacks.(HW atleast) Because they were poor. THere are great white heavy weights. Jack Dempsey, and Marciano. Dempsey was poor, and resorted o boxing. Not so sure about marciano though. And now, its mexicans mostly. Because of their economical situation. Also, asia is having an economical situation of its own. Now great fighers are coming in like pac. But genetics do play a role in boxing. Blacks are generally the fastest. But whites are usually stronger.

[Liston3]

all current or recently retired

Fernando Vargas 26-4 Jr. Middleweight
Raul Martinez 21-0 Bantamweight
Paulie Malignaggi 24-1 Jr. Welterweight
Mike Tyson 50-6 Heavyweigt
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 65-3 Flyweight
Diego Corrales Lightweight 40-5
Gabriel Elizondo 23-3 Jr. Featherweight
Robert Quiroga 20-2 Flyweight
Owen Beck 25-3 Heavyweight
Kendall Gill 3-0 Cruserweight

[Hrak]

1.) Wladimir Klitschko
2.) Arthur Abraham
3.)Vitali Klitschko
4.)Diego Corrales
5.) Kostya Tszyue
6.)David Tua
7.)Jeff Lacy
8.) Roy Jones jr.
9.)Vic Darchinyan
10.)Oleg Maskaev

[Napoleon]

not black

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He's not white.