Lennox Lewis' longevity...not that much better than Tyson's!

[Jinx]

Lewis didn't become the undisputed champ until he beat Holy at the end of '99...he ended with Vitaly in '03, so thats a champ reign of 3 yrs. 5 mons...in-between that time he beat Grant, Botha, Tua, split with Rachman, and Tyson...

Tyson became undisputed champ when he beat 35-0 Tucker in '87...his reign ended in '90 when he got starched by Douglas, so thats a champ reign of 2 yrs. 6 mons...in-between that time he beat Biggs, Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, and Carl Williams...

so Lewis' REAL reign was only a year longer than Tyson's, with Tyson beating the better overall quality of opponents...so based on that i have Lewis and Tyson about even in terms of their reigns as champs...:good

[Asterion]

Lewis didn't become the undisputed champ until he beat Holy at the end of '99...he ended with Vitaly in '03, so thats a champ reign of 3 yrs. 5 mons...in-between that time he beat Grant, Botha, Tua, split with Rachman, and Tyson...

Tyson became undisputed champ when he beat 35-0 Tucker in '87...his reign ended in '90 when he got starched by Douglas, so thats a champ reign of 2 yrs. 6 mons...in-between that time he beat Biggs, Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, and Carl Williams...

so Lewis' REAL reign was only a year longer than Tyson's, with Tyson beating the better overall quality of opponents...so based on that i have Lewis and Tyson about even in terms of their reigns as champs...:good


Tyson's real reign started when he beat Michael Spinks for the Lineal Championship. But he had cleaned the division before that.

[nulty]

Yeah but Lewis was fighting and beating damn good guys for a long time, Tyson was finished after Douglas and prison. Also Lewis was avoided by Bowe and denied an earlier reign, he also regained the title.

[Jinx]

Tyson's real reign started when he beat Michael Spinks for the Lineal Championship. But he had cleaned the division before that.

nope...a reign starts with ALL of the major belts OR Lineage, which Tyson had when he beat Tucker...

[Jinx]

Yeah but Lewis was fighting and beating damn good guys for a long time, Tyson was finished after Douglas and prison. Also Lewis was avoided by Bowe and denied an earlier reign, he also regained the title.

what other guys did Lewis beat that are worth mentioning? Ruddock? a better version of him was destroyed by a post-reign Tyson a year earlier...Mercer? he was beaten handily by an old Larry Holmes, and Tyson starched a younger Holmes in 4 rds...and Lewis BARELY beat Mercer...Tucker? well that looks good for Lewis, until you throw in the fact that Tyson beat an undefeated version of Tucker 6 YEARS before Lewis got to him...Bruno? another good looking win for Lewis UNTIL you add the fact that Tyson destroyed Bruno 4 YEARS earlier...and Tyson wasn't getting his ass handed to him by Bruno...

i rest my case, unless we have to mention guys like Briggs, Golota, and Morrison...:lol:

[Shotgun]

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant

[King Dan]

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant


:happy

[Jinx]

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant

i would say "nice try", but it ain't even that nice because you've listed no type of facts to support your opinion in which you try to display as a fact...thanks for playing but please try again...:hi:

[King Dan]

i would say "nice try", but it ain't even that nice because you've listed no type of facts to support your opinion in which you try to display as a fact...thanks for playing but please try again...:hi:

How old are you, 14? Sounds like it.

Take your face off of Tyson's old wrinkled balls.

Tyson is not a top 100 fighter of all time and Lennox is, so thats that.

[nulty]

what other guys did Lewis beat that are worth mentioning? Ruddock? a better version of him was destroyed by a post-reign Tyson a year earlier...Mercer? he was beaten handily by an old Larry Holmes, and Tyson starched a younger Holmes in 4 rds...and Lewis BARELY beat Mercer...Tucker? well that looks good for Lewis, until you throw in the fact that Tyson beat an undefeated version of Tucker 6 YEARS before Lewis got to him...Bruno? another good looking win for Lewis UNTIL you add the fact that Tyson destroyed Bruno 4 YEARS earlier...and Tyson wasn't getting his ass handed to him by Bruno...

i rest my case, unless we have to mention guys like Briggs, Golota, and Morrison...:lol:

Tyson starched an old Holmes who was coming out of retirement. Spinks showed up for the payday. Then we got drunks, drug addicts and never weres like Marvis Fraizer, Mitch Green, Pinklon Thomas etc.

Lewis beat ranked guys over a much longer period than Tyson.

[King Dan]

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[Sonny's jab]

Lewis was consistently in the top 4 or 5, and often in the top 2, in the division for about 11 or 12 straight years.
That's good longevity.

Tyson was in the top 2 or 3 for about 5 years straight before going to jail.
After released from jail, I never thought he deserved a high ranking for more than a year (1996-'97), but many of the boxing magazines certainly did.
I never understood how he got elevated so high by the time he faced Lewis in 2002, but having said that I guess the depth of contenders in the divsion was almost non-existent. Lewis only had one real rival (Holyfield), and somehow I suppose Tyson could end up placed not many places below those two circa 2000-'02.
If that is correct and fair, then a case can be made for Tyson being a top 3, 4 or 5 fighter a whole 16 (SIXTEEN) years after he first exploded into the rankings, so that's pretty good longevity too.

[Drexl]

How many fighters in the modern era of 3+ belts have been recognized as the Undisputed Champ for longer than Lennox?

[Sonny's jab]

Lewis beat ranked guys over a much longer period than Tyson.

Not much longer.
It also depends who you class as a "ranked fighter"
Lewis beat his first ranked fighter in '91 or '92, and the last one in '03.
Tyson beat his first ranked fighter in '86, and the last in '96 or arguably later (some might say Golota in '00).

[Shotgun]

i would say "nice try", but it ain't even that nice because you've listed no type of facts to support your opinion in which you try to display as a fact...thanks for playing but please try again...:hi:

Lewis defeated Ruddock in 1992 which marked his arrival as a top level heavyweight. This was a part of a heavyweight championship tournament that was spoiled by Bowe ducking him. He won the WBC title that Reluctant Riddick vacated to avoid fighting him in 1993.

From that point on Lennox Lewis competed consistently at or near the top of the heavyweight division until winning his last fight as undisuputed champ in 2003 and retiring

Lewis had 44 pro fights. From 1993-2003 he fought 22 times. 18 of those fights were for major world titles. He went 15-2-1 in those title fights. That's over 10 consecutive years of consistently competing in the upper echelon of the division. So much for your argument

[Sonny's jab]

How many fighters in the modern era of 3+ belts have been recognized as the Undisputed Champ for longer than Lennox?

You mention the 3 belts, but I suspet your "recognition" of "Undisputed" has nothing to do with holding the 3 belts, since Lewis gave them up almost immediately.

[Sonny's jab]

Longevity is a little bit overrated anyway.
It's important but it shouldn't overshadow all concern with activity/inactivity.

Of course, Lewis and Tyson have fine records by any reckoning.

[Jinx]

Tyson starched an old Holmes who was coming out of retirement. Spinks showed up for the payday. Then we got drunks, drug addicts and never weres like Marvis Fraizer, Mitch Green, Pinklon Thomas etc.

Lewis beat ranked guys over a much longer period than Tyson.

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

[Shotgun]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Holy shit, this is the first time I've EVER seen someone list Bruce Seldon in as a resume booster :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Sonny's jab]

Holy shit, this is the first time I've EVER seen someone list Bruce Seldon in as a resume booster :rofl:rofl:rofl

Yeah, Bruce Seldon must've been a Freudian slip, (or should that be "dive" :yep )

[Stewbear]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Lol this is a classic post:lol:

[nulty]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ (heroin addict)

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ (old, nutcase)

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ (please)


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...
.

[Jinx]

Lewis defeated Ruddock in 1992 which marked his arrival as a top level heavyweight. This was a part of a heavyweight championship tournament that was spoiled by Bowe ducking him. He won the WBC title that Reluctant Riddick vacated to avoid fighting him in 1993.

From that point on Lennox Lewis competed consistently at or near the top of the heavyweight division until winning his last fight as undisuputed champ in 2003 and retiring

Lewis had 44 pro fights. From 1993-2003 he fought 22 times. 18 of those fights were for major world titles. He went 15-2-1 in those title fights. That's over 10 consecutive years of consistently competing in the upper echelon of the division. So much for your argument

now this is a much better effort than your first try, i give you props...

Lewis 21-0 when he fought Ruddock, no way that's an arrival of a reign...

if you wanna play that way tho, i can say Tyson arrived on the scene when he beat Trevor Berbick for the WBC title in 1986...he actually fought for that title, no one vacated it to him like a birthday gift...after Berbick, from 1986-1996 Tyson fought 20 times...15 of those fights were for major world titles...he went 13-2-0 in those title fights...that's 10 consecutive years in which Tyson competed in the upper echelon of the division, with jail time included...:hi:

please play again Shotgun, this is fun...:D

[Vanboxingfan]

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant

I prefer the word stupid

[Vanboxingfan]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Bruce Seldon???????????? Bruce Seldon???? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

My god..you settled the whole issue with one post..AGAINST TYSON..even he probably won't admit he fought Seldon. hahahahahaha

[tryggve]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...

Common link with those fighters is Don KIng same promotor as Tyson they got payed well and didnt show much in the fights.

[Dempsey1238]

Tyson TRULY unify the title with Spinks. Spinks beat Holmes who was the man ete. So in order for Tyson to be the REAL champ. He had to beat Spinks. Lineal has to play some role in unify the title. Other wise you get cases like Shannon Briggs and Foreman.

[Jinx]

Bruce Seldon???????????? Bruce Seldon???? :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

My god..you settled the whole issue with one post..AGAINST TYSON..even he probably won't admit he fought Seldon. hahahahahaha

:lol: but Briggs is just as laughable as Bruce Seldon...Foreman whipped his ass in his grillin days!

[Shotgun]

now this is a much better effort than your first try, i give you props...

Lewis 21-0 when he fought Ruddock, no way that's an arrival of a reign...

if you wanna play that way tho, i can say Tyson arrived on the scene when he beat Trevor Berbick for the WBC title in 1986...he actually fought for that title, no one vacated it to him like a birthday gift...after Berbick, from 1986-1996 Tyson fought 20 times...15 of those fights were for major world titles...he went 13-2-0 in those title fights...that's 10 consecutive years in which Tyson competed in the upper echelon of the division, with jail time included...:hi:

please play again Shotgun, this is fun...:D

:tired

This is either an attempt at trolling or a declaration of mental retardation. But either way, Tyson had a near six year gap between title fights in that timeframe.

I guess it's a saving grace for Tyson fans though. It allowed the myth of Tyson to be perpetuated the whole time he was away. If he hadn't been locked up he would've been disposed and had the Tyson myth shattered by Holyfield in 1991 instead of 1996

[Drexl]

You mention the 3 belts, but I suspet your "recognition" of "Undisputed" has nothing to do with holding the 3 belts, since Lewis gave them up almost immediately.


Wrong.

He had to unify those belts to be recognized at the undisputed champ. The fact that Don King's politricks took them away from him without a punch being thrown did nothing to his ranking as the recognized Undisputed Champ.

[Jinx]

lol you shoot yourself in the foot with that post and don´t get it. You´re really funny :D

actually i handed Shotgun his ass with that post, showing that Tyson had just as many years as a top-tier heavy as Lewis...that's why Shotgun hasn't been back since...:good

[Drexl]

Tyson beat:

Tony Tucker 35-0 and IBF champ

Pinklon Thomas 29-1 and former WBC champ

Trevor Berbick former WBC champ

James "Bonecrusher" Smith former WBA champ(KOed Witherspoon in 1)

Bruce Seldon former WBA champ


this list looks better than Briggs, Golota, Botha, Akinwande, etc...


I think this is my favourite post ever. :happy

Unintentional humour is always the funniest kind.
Hilarious!

[Piffer]

Tyson beat Spinks and became lineal, even though he dad the belts before that. With Lennox, he only had the WBC belt but became the lineal champ when he defended his belt against Briggs, who had just gotten a decision over Foreman. Lennox was 'the man' longer than Tyson and Holyfield combined.

[Vanboxingfan]

:tired

This is either an attempt at trolling or a declaration of mental retardation. But either way, Tyson had a near six year gap between title fights in that timeframe.

I guess it's a saving grace for Tyson fans though. It allowed the myth of Tyson to be perpetuated the whole time he was away. If he hadn't been locked up he would've been disposed and had the Tyson myth shattered by Holyfield in 1991 instead of 1996

He's been officially schooled. Regarding trolling or a declaration of mental retardation..I'm voting for the latter. Hey this should be a poll question..:rofl

[Jinx]

:tired

This is either an attempt at trolling or a declaration of mental retardation. But either way, Tyson had a near six year gap between title fights in that timeframe.

I guess it's a saving grace for Tyson fans though. It allowed the myth of Tyson to be perpetuated the whole time he was away. If he hadn't been locked up he would've been disposed and had the Tyson myth shattered by Holyfield in 1991 instead of 1996

of course Tyson had a gap, he was coming out of jail smartone...and Holy weighed 209 lbs in '91, Tyson would've destroyed him...roids helped Holy get to 220 where he got strong enough to muscle Tyson around...

["TKO"]

what other guys did Lewis beat that are worth mentioning? Ruddock? a better version of him was destroyed by a post-reign Tyson a year earlier...Mercer? he was beaten handily by an old Larry Holmes, and Tyson starched a younger Holmes in 4 rds...and Lewis BARELY beat Mercer...Tucker? well that looks good for Lewis, until you throw in the fact that Tyson beat an undefeated version of Tucker 6 YEARS before Lewis got to him...Bruno? another good looking win for Lewis UNTIL you add the fact that Tyson destroyed Bruno 4 YEARS earlier...and Tyson wasn't getting his ass handed to him by Bruno...

i rest my case, unless we have to mention guys like Briggs, Golota, and Morrison...:lol:

So what we are saying is that wins over any of these fighters are meaningless because they had all lost other fights???:patsch Sheesh, do me a favour!!! When contenders meet other contenders, they are bound to win some and lose some. The fact that a fighter may have lost to another fighter or two does not render any victory over him worthless. Looks at the late 90s/early 00s lot. Golota lost to Grant who lost to McCline, who lost to Byrd who lost to W. Klitchko, who lost to Sanders (and Brewster), who lost to V. Klitchko who lost to Byrd. Maskaev lost to Tua, who lost to Byrd and drew with Rahman, who lost to Ruiz, who lost to and beat Holyfield. I guess that means none of them were ever any good, right?

Bottom line, when contenders continually fight other contenders, most of them probably are going to take a loss or two on the way. It's styles, it's boxing. Does not mean that any other fighter's win over them is totally worthless. If a couple of Lewis opponents had also lost to Tyson, that's the nature of the game and shows that Tyson was still good enough to be thought of as a top contender. It's not as though Tyson was in with a prayer when he and Lewis fought now is it?

[barneyrub]

Lewis didn't become the undisputed champ until he beat Holy at the end of '99...he ended with Vitaly in '03, so thats a champ reign of 3 yrs. 5 mons...in-between that time he beat Grant, Botha, Tua, split with Rachman, and Tyson...

Tyson became undisputed champ when he beat 35-0 Tucker in '87...his reign ended in '90 when he got starched by Douglas, so thats a champ reign of 2 yrs. 6 mons...in-between that time he beat Biggs, Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, and Carl Williams...

so Lewis' REAL reign was only a year longer than Tyson's, with Tyson beating the better overall quality of opponents...so based on that i have Lewis and Tyson about even in terms of their reigns as champs...:goodTyson beat a better overall quality of opponents lol, ha ha yeah right of course he did!

[sandwichsurgeon]

Whenever you hear about Tyson the term "prime" always comes up, thats because whenever he lost people had to say "oh well in his prime Tyson would have done........", never mind would have done Lennox did it and apart from a couple of iffy spots during his career he was consistent and reliable. Hence why it is apparent that he had more longevity.

[sandwichsurgeon]

of course Tyson had a gap, he was coming out of jail smartone...and Holy weighed 209 lbs in '91, Tyson would've destroyed him...roids helped Holy get to 220 where he got strong enough to muscle Tyson around...

He was 215 in the first fight and 218 in the second, it wasn't the physical aspect that hindered Tyson it was his deteriorated timing and co-ordination and a lack of head movement, body work and courage.

[Drexl]

... Holy weighed 209 lbs in '91, Tyson would've destroyed him....

That settles it then. :lol:

You are an A-Grade fool.

Take a look at this picture and tell me who you think wins, Dempsey (187) or Jess Willard (245)...

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How about Joe Louis (196) vs Primo (260)?

[hobgoblin]

Lennox was fundamentally similar to his best from 1993-2003 - with him needing a few adjustments in between e.g. McCall.

Tyson was fundamentally similar to his best from 1986-1991 and I generously threw in 2 years there. Afterwards, he was crap for all his fights except Holy I+II where he was third only to Holy & Lewis IMO. So I give it an extra year. I'd say Tyson had 6 great years (average) whereas Lennox had 11 great years. Also the 2002 fight shows LONGEVITY in terms of style & life styles. The 2002 fight was a pure show of LONGEVITY.

I like Tyson but Lewis is clearly better in this regard. I don't care for formalities like title etc. It is true that Tyson's reign is often underrated (they say he just fought and beat B level fighters - at least he fought & beat them frequently & greatly - we don't even get that today!).

[Jinx]

That settles it then. :lol:

You are an A-Grade fool.

Take a look at this picture and tell me who you think wins, Dempsey (187) or Jess Willard (245)...

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How about Joe Louis (196) vs Primo (260)?

don't be a dickhead...:patsch you know Holy was stronger as a heavy in '96 than he was in '91...Bowe wasn't taking Holy's shots as good in the 2nd and 3rd fights as he did in the 1st one...

[Illmatic]

How many fighters in the modern era of 3+ belts have been recognized as the Undisputed Champ for longer than Lennox?

Tszyu, Hamed, Hopkins

[Jinx]

The only dickhead in here are you.

:good

[sst]

Lewis didn't become the undisputed champ until he beat Holy at the end of '99...he ended with Vitaly in '03, so thats a champ reign of 3 yrs. 5 mons...in-between that time he beat Grant, Botha, Tua, split with Rachman, and Tyson...

Tyson became undisputed champ when he beat 35-0 Tucker in '87...his reign ended in '90 when he got starched by Douglas, so thats a champ reign of 2 yrs. 6 mons...in-between that time he beat Biggs, Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs, Spinks, Bruno, and Carl Williams...

so Lewis' REAL reign was only a year longer than Tyson's, with Tyson beating the better overall quality of opponents...so based on that i have Lewis and Tyson about even in terms of their reigns as champs...:good
Spin it anyway you want but Lewis owns Tyson.

[Jinx]

At least you´re able to recognize, now we can start working on your bad habits.

thanks but no thanks toeboy, i don't take advice from dickriders...:nono

[Drexl]

Tszyu, Hamed, Hopkins
I meant Heavyweights, but even if we consider all weight classes that's only 3 others, and even then I would dispute Hamed. He only ever held the WBO for any extended length of time.

[Illmatic]

I meant Heavyweights, but even if we consider all weight classes that's only 3 others, and even then I would dispute Hamed. He only ever held the WBO for any extended length of time.
do you care about titles or championships?

He became titlist in 95, became recognized champion with win over Tom Johnson in Feb 97, held title until loss to Barrera April 01. Four+ years

[bill poster]

:wall Poor old Lewis.. having his legacy battered by Don King, Bowe, dodgy judges and now Jinx!!

[Drexl]

do you care about titles or championships?

He became titlist in 95, became recognized champion with win over Tom Johnson in Feb 97, held title until loss to Barrera April 01. Four+ years
In terms of determining an "Undisputed" Champ, yes. If there are other guys with belts then it is disputed. Louisito Espinosa was a long-standing FW champ at the same time as Hamed, for example. Smoke Gainer also had the WBA for 3 years. Hamed didn't fight either of them for one reason or another (not necessarily his fault, just saying it was disputed).

Once you beat the other belt holders, the belts themselves become less important. You are undisputed until somebody beats you in the ring.

[Illmatic]

In terms of determining an "Undisputed" Champ, yes. If there are other guys with belts then it is disputed. Louisito Espinosa was a long-standing FW champ at the same time as Hamed, for example. Smoke Gainer also had the WBA for 3 years. Hamed didn't fight either of them for one reason or another (not necessarily his fault, just saying it was disputed).

Once you beat the other belt holders, the belts themselves become less important. You are undisputed until somebody beats you in the ring.

Belts mean nothing and there will ALWAYS be other people with belts. Was Tszyu not the man when they stripped him of the WBA belt?
Is Hatton not the man at 140 b/c Witter has a belt?
Was Lewis not the champ b/c Ruiz had a belt?

And he won all those other belts, but lost them b/c of dumbass title politics, just like what happened to Tszyu, Dairus M and countless others

[Drexl]

Belts mean nothing and there will ALWAYS be other people with belts. Was Tszyu not the man when they stripped him of the WBA belt?
Is Hatton not the man at 140 b/c Witter has a belt?
Was Lewis not the champ b/c Ruiz had a belt?

And he won all those other belts, but lost them b/c of dumbass title politics, just like what happened to Tszyu, Dairus M and countless others


Exactly - Tszyu won all of the belts to become "Undisputed". What happened after was irrelevant.

Hatton may be "the man" in many people's opinion (including mine) but he is NOT "Undisputed Champ" while others hold belts until he unifies them.

Lewis was Undisputed because he unified the belts and didn't lose them in the ring.

[Grabonator]

Tyson is not a top 100 fighter of all time and Lennox is, so thats that.

Tyson no top100 fighter of all time????:rofl :patsch Tell me 100 who are better!!

[lefthook31]

Boring

Lewis competed at the upper level of the heavyweight division much longer and more consistently than Tyson did. Anyone that disputes that is either deluded or ignorant

Yeah buts lets compare the divisions. You mean to tell me the competition at the top of Lewis's reign was better than Tysons? Tyson competed successfully in the same divison as a full time pot smoker and strip club regular.

[Drexl]

Yeah buts lets compare the divisions. You mean to tell me the competition at the top of Lewis's reign was better than Tysons?

It was certainly no worse.

[DamonD]

Is it really such a bad thing to have relatively the same longevity?

In my eyes, Tyson's 9 defences from '87-89 were a worthy body of work.

Pretty small beer arguement...

[PATSYS]

Tyson's reign is from 1986-1989, then 1995-96. That is only that is only 5 years.

Lewis reigned from 1993-1995, 1997-2001, 2002-2003. That is about 10 years.

Whether Lewis was undisputed or not, it is not Lewis' fault that champs are ducking him. :-(

[barneyrub]

Tyson's reign is from 1986-1989, then 1995-96. That is only that is only 5 years.

Lewis reigned from 1993-1995, 1997-2001, 2002-2003. That is about 10 years.

Whether Lewis was undisputed or not, it is not Lewis' fault that champs are ducking him. :-(He regained the title in 2001.

[2ironmt]

the bottom line is that the resumes aren't that much different (anyone who thinks alot of the mid late 90's guys are better than the supposed crack heads of the 80's is speaking out of their asses). i'll give lewis the resume nod slightly. prime for prime i'll take tyson 7 out of 10 times.

[Illmatic]

Exactly - Tszyu won all of the belts to become "Undisputed". What happened after was irrelevant.

Hatton may be "the man" in many people's opinion (including mine) but he is NOT "Undisputed Champ" while others hold belts until he unifies them.

Lewis was Undisputed because he unified the belts and didn't lose them in the ring.

YOu become the man by beating the man. Even despite this he won every belt in the ring. WBA- Vazquez, WBC- Soto, IBF- Johnson, WBO- RObinson

[Drexl]

YOu become the man by beating the man. Even despite this he won every belt in the ring. WBA- Vazquez, WBC- Soto, IBF- Johnson, WBO- RObinson

I'm not going to get into an argument with you about Hamed. He was one of my favourites as well.