Did Roy Jones do weights

[Nigel_Benn]

Or does he just have incredible genetics?

[maciek4]

Or does he just have incredible genetics?

both

[Bad_Intentions]

genetics...

[DoumB]

both

[pit]

both , I remember him doing waits on one of his training vid not heavy but med to light heavy lots of reps.

[Zerwas1]

I know that he did before the Ruiz fight.

[RDJ]

He did before the Ruiz fight but that doesn't say much, he was bulking up to a higher weight. I don't know whether he did it before though.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Weights and roids.

[Fab2333]

Weights and roids.

prove the steroids thing. He has incredible genetics and with weights

[My dinner with Conteh]

prove the steroids thing. He has incredible genetics and with weights and roids


Yep.

[KhanB]

I remember Lampley saying once that Jones claimed that he didnt use weights but did pull ups, push ups and bag punching for that physique. He did lift weights to fight Ruiz.

[Fab2333]

Yep.

dont try to change my post up. Im sayin to prove the steroids thing RJ was always ripped, his muscle structure is like anyone we have seen. that whole steroids things was alleged. He did it by hardwork

[Jinx]

if he says he didn't use weights at all, that means he probably did...no smart fighter gives away all his techniques, and i know for a fact that light weight training helps muscle endurance, if not for size...

[RDJ]

Aside from genetics, I think being a total gym rat had something to do with it as well.

[Ramshall1]

dont try to change my post up. Im sayin to prove the steroids thing RJ was always ripped, his muscle structure is like anyone we have seen. that whole steroids things was alleged. He did it by hardwork

I heard he tested positive.

[Fab2333]

I heard he tested positive.

where is the source 4 this, If RJJ tested positive for some ban steroid, how come he was never banned from boxing like James toney is now. How come n1 heard of this. If RJ tested positive for steroids the whole world would have known about it.

[Ramshall1]

where is the source 4 this, If RJJ tested positive for some ban steroid, how come he was never banned from boxing like James toney is now. How come n1 heard of this. If RJ tested positive for steroids the whole world would have known about it.

I dont know, I remember hearing he did. Dont remember hearing a credible source so it may just be a rumor. Anyone else have any info???

[kflex101]

There was a postive test floating around, it was an iregular Nandralone reading. I can't remember exactly but it may have been from the Hall fight.

There were some articles in regarsd to it but for some reason it wasn't taken very far. It was certainly never dissproved, but unless demanded why would Jones bother refuting such a test?

I think it's unlikley Jones ever juiced before his trip to heavyweight, however I am very suspicious about the weight he put on getting to heavyweight.

Considering his natural frame, the amount of cardio he had to do constantly whilst training, the short period of time in which he grew, anyone in the know would be extremely sceptical of his "amazing" gains.

[My dinner with Conteh]

RJ was always ripped, his muscle structure is like anyone we have seen. that whole steroids thing was true. He did it by hardwork and roids


Yup.

[Lex]

Yup, every boxer who isn't a flabby blob does 'roids. Including Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston... nobody gets ripped muscles naturally through genetics or simply working their asses off in the gym.

[Bad_Intentions]

Yup, every boxer who isn't a flabby blob does 'roids. Including Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston... nobody gets ripped muscles naturally through genetics or simply working their asses off in the gym.steroids existed in the 50's and 60's? :huh:-(

[Bad_Intentions]

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read it and weep you fucking blind dumbass. That's only one of MANY sources.what

the

fuck?!

:yikes:yikes:admin

[Ramshall1]

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read it and weep you fucking blind dumbass. That's only one of MANY sources.

so there it is, he's Giambi with boxing gloves. Cheating bastard.
If youre gonna roid up, shouldnt you at least be an entertaing offensive fighter?!?!?!

[Vantage_West]

steroids existed in the 50's and 60's? :huh:-(sarcasm:think

[Bad_Intentions]

sarcasm:thinkI'm serious.

[Lex]

steroids existed in the 50's and 60's? :huh:-(

Oh, I was being flippant.

But, tell ya tha truth, I dunno about the availability of steroids to athletes then. Steroids were developed around the 1930s, I think. It was pretty well known they were used by Soviet weightlifters. But I'm not sure whether they were considered to be useful for athletes whose sports did not primarily involve strength.

Anyway, steroids back then weren't very sophisticated and side effects showed up quickly. Ezzard Charles, Jersey Joe, Patterson and others demonstrated the kind of good health and longevity that heavy steroid use probably would have destroyed.

[#1]

Steroids, genetics, and weight training all contributed to Jones Jr.'s physique. Regardless of the steroids he was still a genetic freak.

[JMotrain]

I dont think RJJ did roids to get up to heavyweight. Shilestone helped him add weight. The same thing he did for Spinks, Hopkins, Bol, and Oz Smith. So all those guys had spectular gains, does that mean that all did roids as well?

C'mon you can add about 1 pound a week without doing steroids.

[jlrivera81]

prove the steroids thing. He has incredible genetics and with weights

someone said the same thing on another thread to me earlier about roy taking roids. they actually sent me a link from boxing scene saying that he was busted for something. the link said that roy admitted to taking ripped fuel which is over the counter. there was no other investigation into it. i would like to believe that's all roy did.

[Lampley]

As a Roy fan, I have to admit it's likely he did them at least at the beginning of this decade. I'd guess that around 2000, when he hit his 30s and became distracted by a bunch of non-boxing B.S., that's when he started diving in.

But as long as he didn't touch them when he was at 168, I'm OK with it. I'd just hate to think he was illegal in some way, because Jones at SMW was an ungodly force.

[sues2nd]

prove the steroids thing. He has incredible genetics and with weights

He failed a test.....against Richard Hall. Only reason its not more talked about is because Hall tested positive too.

Heres the link...

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Listen, I love Jones. One of my alltime favs. But he did juice up and got caught.

So to answer the original question, its a little of all three....genetics, incredible weight training regimine and roids.

:good

[Kostya Zoo]

I've been telling people for a long time. Read up on steroids, they do a lot more than merely the mythical "pump you up". They increase your endurance, your punch resistance, they increase EVERYTHING. Obviously after going UP to heavyweight Jones couldn't be on steroids because he had to LOSE weight rather than gain it to go back down to face Tarver. So Roid Jones might have gone off roids for the first time in a long time to get down to Tarver. And what happens during his first time without Roids?

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Wow that was always my take on it.

[joe namath's gin]

juice...

[paulfv]

I've been telling people for a long time. Read up on steroids, they do a lot more than merely the mythical "pump you up". They increase your endurance, your punch resistance, they increase EVERYTHING. Obviously after going UP to heavyweight Jones couldn't be on steroids because he had to LOSE weight rather than gain it to go back down to face Tarver. So Roid Jones might have gone off roids for the first time in a long time to get down to Tarver. And what happens during his first time without Roids?

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Well put.

Superman became Clark Kent, fell down, went 'boom.'

[Carlos Primera]

he lookes like he did cause of roids

[Axe]

As a Roy fan, I have to admit it's likely he did them at least at the beginning of this decade. I'd guess that around 2000, when he hit his 30s and became distracted by a bunch of non-boxing B.S., that's when he started diving in.

But as long as he didn't touch them when he was at 168, I'm OK with it. I'd just hate to think he was illegal in some way, because Jones at SMW was an ungodly force.

My take on this as well...what would have been the point of him juicing when he was barely making 160, and perfectly fit into 168? He the needed mass at 175/HW though.

[Mistadobalina]

sold his soul to satan?

[surreal deal]

Weights and roids.
thats a load of anabolics.

[Senya13]

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read it and weep you fucking blind dumbass. That's only one of MANY sources.
It's been discussed before.
1) The thing he took (Ripped Fuel) was not banned back then. And it was not an anabolic steroid.
2) There's only test A, to be proven it requires test B.
3) There's also a version about andro, but it also wasn't banned substance back then, it only got included in more recent Act about banned substances.

[2smart4u]

It's been discussed before.
1) The thing he took (Ripped Fuel) was not banned back then. And it was not an anabolic steroid.
2) There's only test A, to be proven it requires test B.
3) There's also a version about andro, but it also wasn't banned substance back then, it only got included in more recent Act about banned substances.:lol: So your stupid enough to beleive RIPPED FUEL ( a thermogenic mind you ) gave him 7 times his normal test levels ? he was juiced and on alot of JUICE for the RUIZ affair !:deal

[Senya13]

1) that's what he claimed - but the amount in his bloodstream is NOT consistent with the amounts found in an over-the-counter product like that. Jones is very clever - it's unlikely, even if that was the source, that he wasn't aware of its contents.
Amount of what, that question remained unanswered. What were the test for, what substances?

2) that's true - but he also admitted taking steroids, so it doesn't need a second test - he just changed the context of the abuse.
He admitted to taking Ripped Fuel. He never admitted to taking any steroids. Ripped Fuel is not a steroid, and according to federal researches it doesn't give any advantages other than allowing to cut weight.

[Bigcat]

Massive work ethic,
very good genetics..

One of the best boxers i ever saw in his prime.

[bigG]

your all quick to label holyfield a cheat on what is pretty idicting if totally unproven evidence.....yet here is evidence and the fighters own admission that he took steroids, yet no one is labeling him a cheat...great genetics, great work ethic blah blah blah...lets have a level playin field here guys....

[Senya13]

1) It is stated, emphatically in the interviews with the tester, that Roy tested positive for steroids well above the acceptable limits. Acceptable limits are where there is a medical reason, like damaged muscle tissue and associated therapies.
1) There's no such thing as testing for steroids in general, you are looking for traces that this or that group of steroids leave in man's organism (blood or urine).
2) The author of the letter openly admitted to knowing next to nothing about steroids, she was asked to write a letter and she did, she clearly doesn't have any idea that there are banned substances out there that are not steroids.

2) Ripped Fuel does not just "cut weight" - it's a muscle enhancement treatment - used to build muscle mass in preference to fat.
From TwinLab site:
Twinlab’s Ripped Fuel ... is geared towards people who are looking to reduce fat and promote lean muscle mass.
It is not intended to build muscle mass. The one he took was most probably with Ephedra (which was not banned back then). Federal-sponsored labs that studied Ephedra-based stuff found no evidence that it gives any advantages other than quicker loss of weight, no endurance enhancement, no muscle-building improvement, nothing.

Maybe Roy learnt his lesson, but look at how his responses changed following the Ruiz fight - that wasn't just weight loss, there was something more.
For Ruiz fight he used Mackie Shilstone's help (his methods are completely legal and are explained at his site), to cut weight for Tarver I he did it without Shilstone's help, the hard way, which he regreted doing.

[achillesthegreat]

Genetics. His aesthetics are genetics. He says he didn't do weights until heavyweight.

[Axe]

It's been discussed before.
1) The thing he took (Ripped Fuel) was not banned back then. And it was not an anabolic steroid.
2) There's only test A, to be proven it requires test B.
3) There's also a version about andro, but it also wasn't banned substance back then, it only got included in more recent Act about banned substances.

Flat out wrong, it was banned by the IBF and the fight against Richard Hall had been sanctioned by the IBF.

[Fab2333]

He tested positive for steroids you stupid fucking nuthugging newbie. no need for profanity dude. its not that serious b. Relax I asked 4 a source and you gave me a source. Fair enough. Relax dogs.

And anyway he according to this he took an over the counter drug that he aparently didnt kno it was a steroid until they alerted him it was. And he stopped taking it for his next to fights, which he won

"Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative. "

So to say he was a cheater isnt right. If he is taking some kind of drug that not known to him or his camp as an anabolic steroid you cant fault him 4 that.

[Unlimited]

A read some in a book were he says he only does leg workouts with weights everything else pushe-ups and situps

[joe namath's gin]

People need to realize a majority of fighters do some form of illegal supplementation. RJJ busted his balls in the gym to be as great as he was. The juice helped as he fought at higher weight levels, but I still give him his props. I thinks it's sad though that he's still fighting. That KO loss to Johnson was brutal.

[Ramshall1]

no need for profanity dude. its not that serious b. Relax I asked 4 a source and you gave me a source. Fair enough. Relax dogs.

And anyway he according to this he took an over the counter drug that he aparently didnt kno it was a steroid until they alerted him it was. And he stopped taking it for his next to fights, which he won

"Roy Jones would submit the results to more drug tests to Indiana. One fight was in Louisiana and those results were negative. And the other was in California, and those results were negative. "

So to say he was a cheater isnt right. If he is taking some kind of drug that not known to him or his camp as an anabolic steroid you cant fault him 4 that.

come on man, this whole "I didnt know I was taking banned drugs" is BS. . . Im a Vargas fan but the dude roided up for the DLH fight and deserved his punishment. RJJ seemed to get off pretty easy - especially from the media for some odd reason.

[Fab2333]

come on man, this whole "I didnt know I was taking banned drugs" is BS. . . Im a Vargas fan but the dude roided up for the DLH fight and deserved his punishment. RJJ seemed to get off pretty easy - especially from the media for some odd reason.

and thats why I believe that he didnt know honestly. And the media was kind of aware of it. B/c at that time Rj was on top of the world, if this was a delibater thing. I think they would have ran with this. Come on now, who would know that a supplement you were buying over the counter would have been an anabolic steroid?
And Its porven that he did take a steroid so i cant argue with you there. According to the article he did take a steroid. SO it is wat it is

[goldnarms]

and thats why I believe that he didnt know honestly. And the media was kind of aware of it. B/c at that time Rj was on top of the world, if this was a delibater thing. I think they would have ran with this. Come on now, who would know that a supplement you were buying over the counter would have been an anabolic steroid?
And Its porven that he did take a steroid so i cant argue with you there. According to the article he did take a steroid. SO it is wat it is

Obvioulsy you are a big RR fan and the fact that he took steroids is more than you can handle.

He tested positive for Nandrolone. Nandrolone is not a steroid that is taken oraly. It does not have the ablity to survive "first pass" on the liver. So, unless RR was buying "over the counter" injectable supplements its not very likely he did anything unknowingly.

I guess you would also argue that it was just by chance that he unknowingly took a steroid that is known for its ability to aid in recuperation and an increase in red blood cell production.

[WhataRock]

Roy Jones took steroids this is a fact that has been verfied and never denied by Roy.

Unless the several sources Ive read are wrong and Roy just forgot to take legal action against them to have them shut down or sue them for defamation, I believe he took them.

[Grabonator]

Fighters using no weights are stupid, but some fighters are doing to much weights or they do it wrong. Others are using steroids as well. Did Roy using steroids? Yes, we know it for a FACT!! Does Toney use steroids?? Yes, we know it for a FACT!! Does Holyfield use steroids?? NO! Cause we dont know it for a FACT!!

[Senya13]

Flat out wrong, it was banned by the IBF and the fight against Richard Hall had been sanctioned by the IBF.
It was not banned by any other bodies that are controlling usage of steroids and other things, and prearing lists of substances that should be banned. FDA banned dietary supplements containing ephedra only in April 2004 (source ([Only registered and activated users can see links])), then it was appealed and the final ruling was only in May this year. I do not think IBF introduced a ban for ephedra on it's own in 2000 while nobody else did this.
Androstenedione and other prohormones were added to the list of banned substances (and also, the definition of 'anabolic steroid' was amended to include prohormones too) by Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 in March 2004. It was not on the list before then and was not banned.

[bigG]

jeez goldnarms, that bird in your avatar has got a PROPER arse on her....mmm....ooops, off topic......

[Fab2333]

Obvioulsy you are a big RR fan and the fact that he took steroids is more than you can handle.

He tested positive for Nandrolone. Nandrolone is not a steroid that is taken oraly. It does not have the ablity to survive "first pass" on the liver. So, unless RR was buying "over the counter" injectable supplements its not very likely he did anything unknowingly.

I guess you would also argue that it was just by chance that he unknowingly took a steroid that is known for its ability to aid in recuperation and an increase in red blood cell production.

Its not more than I can handle. If he did them he did them, im just a fan at the end of the day he is going to ahve to live his life. I dont kno much about this supplement thing or steroid names or wateva. And according to this article [Only registered and activated users can see links] It says he was buyin an "over the counter" supplement called ripped fuel, which is taken orally

[El Bombasto]

prove the steroids thing. He has incredible genetics and with weights

Prove the genetics thing.

[Senya13]

Yep, pretty much everyone in boxing history has been on BALCO and then didn't have enough money for it anymore at 34-35 years and older, everyone didn't look quite the same as younger version of themselves. Starting from Jack Broughton, the father of boxing, not looking like himself against Jack Slack.

[knockout]

no shit cant you tell :patsch

[matt_maxx]

Genetics. His aesthetics are genetics. He says he didn't do weights until heavyweight.

Go to u-tube, type in "roy jones amateur", check out the results and compare the amateur boxer Jones to the professional boxer Jones. The change in his physis is to big for not doing weights.

[Primadonna Kool]

Genetics, are nothing without hard work, you could lift weights religiously but still have a unimpressive undefined physic, because you do not have the genetics, to build that Greek goddess kind of body.

Roy Jones had great genetics, great work ethic, weather that’s lifting weights, training and conditioning.

He had it all, he is a great athlete.

[Ramshall1]

Genetics, are nothing without hard work, you could lift weights religiously but still have a unimpressive undefined physic, because you do not have the genetics, to build that Greek goddess kind of body.

Roy Jones had great genetics, great work ethic, weather that’s lifting weights, training and conditioning.

He had it all, he is a great athlete.

all that plus Steroids.

[Alo2006]

RJ was never big on weights, he thought it would reduce his speed.

[Relentless]

Go to u-tube, type in "roy jones amateur", check out the results and compare the amateur boxer Jones to the professional boxer Jones. The change in his physis is to big for not doing weights.

i dont know if you know this but most people grow.

[Marnoff]

steroids existed in the 50's and 60's? :huh:-(

He was not serious.

[Shotgun]

He took Ripped Fuel :roll:

[Ramshall1]

He took Ripped Fuel :roll:

read some of the links posted on this thread.

[Shotgun]

read some of the links posted on this thread.
I was being sarcastic :good

The Ripped Fuel thing is one of the more hilarious excuses I've ever heard

I never knew ephedra could make you fail a steroid test :lol:

Of course the boxing media ignored this and swept it under the rug

[Ramshall1]

I was being sarcastic :good

The Ripped Fuel thing is one of the more hilarious excuses I've ever heard

I never knew ephedra could make you fail a steroid test :lol:

Of course the boxing media ignored this and swept it under the rug

:good
yeah, I always wondered why the media pretty much ignored this story.