I like Cotto but...

[sonofdarkness]

I think Shane is gonna really give it to him. Cotto is always very open to a big punch and shane has serious combos. I think Cotto style will be perfect for mosley to put on a great show. Zab had all the chances to but he lacks heart and the skills that Shane has. But we will see I am a big cotto fan but I think he is too sloppy and shane will punish him.

Cannot wait for this fight

[Slicknick56]

im going with cotto but i understand what ur saying. this is a true pick em fight which is why both fighters are great. both fight whoever and FIGHT not run. i cant waiiitttt

[King Dan]

I think Shane is gonna really give it to him. Cotto is always very open to a big punch and shane has serious combos. I think Cotto style will be perfect for mosley to put on a great show. Zab had all the chances to but he lacks heart and the skills that Shane has. But we will see I am a big cotto fan but I think he is too sloppy and shane will punish him.

Cannot wait for this fight

Agreed.

I hope for the best for both of these guys.

In the end, I feel Shane will land too many punches.

I too will be there slick nick.

[Lex]

Lovemore N'Dou was Cotto's toughest fight. He rocked Cotto a couple of times and forced him to outbox rather than slug N'Dou. Cotto also backpedaled some.

If Cotto fights smart, he can beat Mosley. But if Shane hurts him and Cotto decides to slug it out, he might get into trouble. Shane is faster than Lovemore, and speed often counts more than sheer power - it's the punches ya don't see coming that gitcha.

Shane has never been very mobile - he tends to pose, kinda like a prime Roy Jones, daring the opponent to throw a shot or come in. If Cotto gives him lots of movement it'll make things tougher for Mosley.

[sonofdarkness]

yeah I just watched the cotto judah fight again man Cotto is one tough bastard. A true Fighter.

[Vantage_West]

i like cotto too but his abilty to get hit is amazing he can be hit by anybody and shane aint just anybody.

shane might not have the one shot power that he had at lightwieght but he could definatly pop a few holes in that armour.

cotto is to easy to hit thats all that i feel the fight will hinge on

[BeReal]

I believe in cotto, he has proven himself to me. Shane is on a roll but you can see from the Forrest and Winky fights, Shane's will can be broken when he gets hurt or frustrated and I haven't seen that in cotto yet.

[Ramshall1]

Cotto has never been a sloppy fighter.

one bad thing I noticed about Cotto is he has a habit of closing his eyes . . . thats how Corley hurt him pretty bad.

[sonofdarkness]

Cotto has never been a sloppy fighter.


Really?Well he is not sloppy I guess I kinda used bad term but he throws alot of wild punches and leaves himself open.He commits so much to all of his punches which is not really a bad thing but if you notice how Judah was timing that uppercut from far away I just think Mosley will tear him up.They show alot of slow motion clips from that fight and he is so open it is scary. And compared to other elite fighters his combos are not like Moselys or Mayweathers. Which I think will be his downfall.

[Slicknick56]

his defense gets better and better every fight though. he isnt THAT EASY TO HIT. his head movement gets better and better.

[jonesjrp4p1]

ill be there and i cant wait

mosley ud cotto in a tough fight

[sonofdarkness]

i like cotto too but his abilty to get hit is amazing he can be hit by anybody and shane aint just anybody.

shane might not have the one shot power that he had at lightwieght but he could definatly pop a few holes in that armour.

cotto is to easy to hit thats all that i feel the fight will hinge on


That is exactley how I feel:bbb

[Ramshall1]

his defense gets better and better every fight though. he isnt THAT EASY TO HIT. his head movement gets better and better.

he used to have better defense as a young prospect. . . IMO he's the kinda guy who has fallen in love with his power. . . easy to see why but he will probably pay dearly for it.

[Slicknick56]

there both olympic level BOXERS to beign with. Cotto can BOX when he has to. alot of you guys think hes one dimensional and hes not at all

[sonofdarkness]

I have no idea where you're getting this "he throws wide punches" ..I agree he can leave himself open but I've never saw the Cotto you've described. His punches seem straight and textbook to me.


Well they are not super wide but they are a little bit to sloppy and a tad wide/ looping at times for fighting a guy like mosely. Like I said he will be so easy to hit for Mosley. He just leaves himself open for a big counter. That is why fighters like Floyd,Hopkins,Winky(the new winky) will never get koed cause there feet are always set and ready to take a punch they never over commit. And Cotto over commits.

[Slicknick56]

Well they are not super wide but they are a little bit to sloppy and a tad wide/ looping at times for fighting a guy like mosely. Like I said he will be so easy to hit for Mosley. He just leaves himself open for a big counter. That is why fighters like Floyd,Hopkins,Winky(the new winky) will never get koed cause there feet are always set and ready to take a punch they never over commit. And Cotto over commits.

lol Winky got knocked down 5 times in one fight, Hopkins has been knocked down twice in one fight, Mayweather was kocked down by Judah.

Cotto isnt gonna be SOO easy to hit, i promise you that much.

[Fab2333]

Really?Well he is not sloppy I guess I kinda used bad term but he throws alot of wild punches and leaves himself open.He commits so much to all of his punches which is not really a bad thing but if you notice how Judah was timing that uppercut from far away I just think Mosley will tear him up.They show alot of slow motion clips from that fight and he is so open it is scary. And compared to other elite fighters his combos are not like Moselys or Mayweathers. Which I think will be his downfall.:deal

[sonofdarkness]

lol Winky got knocked down 5 times in one fight, Hopkins has been knocked down twice in one fight, Mayweather was kocked down by Judah.

Cotto isnt gonna be SOO easy to hit, i promise you that much.

Yeah Like I said the New Winky. when was the last time you seen him on the canvas?When was The last time you seen Hopkins down or even hurt in a fight.Come on Floyd has never been hurt in a fight bad. You are talking about a long time ago for hopkins and Winky and it happened once. And I do not think Judah knocked Floyd down buddy?

[Marnoff]

I think Shane is gonna really give it to him. Cotto is always very open to a big punch and shane has serious combos. I think Cotto style will be perfect for mosley to put on a great show. Zab had all the chances to but he lacks heart and the skills that Shane has. But we will see I am a big cotto fan but I think he is too sloppy and shane will punish him.

Cannot wait for this fight

If you think Judah lacked heart in the fight, you didn't see it.

[sonofdarkness]

If you think Judah lacked heart in the fight, you didn't see it.

Yes He did have heart in this for a bit But he has lacked the heart his whole career IMO. He is known for always fading in the later rounds.

[sonofdarkness]

I'll say this ..

I was more worried for Cotto in the Judah fight than I will be when he fights Mosley.

:yep

And please provide a valid reason for this. That is one on the most insane things I have ever read on here. Almost as Insane as the guy who thinks Zab knocked Floyd down lol.

[BigReg]

And please provide a valid reason for this. That is one on the most insane things I have ever read on here. Almost as Insane as the guy who thinks Zab knocked Floyd down lol.

To that guys credit, Zab did punch Floyd and Floyd stumbled back and his glove hit the canvas(by rule this should have been a knock down)

[jlrivera81]

Shane is not the fighter he used to be. Do not allow Shanes performance versus Vargas to make you believe he will hurt Cotto. Yes, it is true Cotto can be hurt, but his recovery is like nothing I've ever seen. Actually, rather than using the term hurt, I will use the term stunned. B/c when you are truly hurt, it takes a good while to get your feet back and continue to box. Cotto was truly hurt versus Corley and Torres. Versus Zab, I would say he was stunned momentarily. Anyways, Shane's body will not be able to handle the constant pressure of Cotto. Like I said when Cotto fought Zab, Cotto is going to win by a large margin. I"m saying 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3 for cotto. I'm sure the same people who said Zab was going to KO him b/c of all his speed and power are now also saying that Shane is going to do it for the same reason.

[sonofdarkness]

To that guys credit, Zab did punch Floyd and Floyd stumbled back and his glove hit the canvas(by rule this should have been a knock down)

Yeah well it was not I am talking about real knock downs here where someone is dazed,hurt or even koed. Not gloves grazing the canvas.I know they are knockdowns but that is not what we are debating we are talking about fighters who are always prepared to take a punch.And I seriously doubt Floyd was hurt!Come on be realistic.

[BigReg]

Yeah well it was not I am talking about real knock downs here where someone is dazed,hurt or even koed. Not gloves grazing the canvas.I know they are knockdowns but that is not what we are debating we are talking about fighters who are always prepared to take a punch.And I seriously doubt Floyd was hurt!Come on be realistic.

I never said he was hurt, I only pointed that, by rule, he was knocked down.

[sonofdarkness]

Because Zab is a southpaw with a devastating combination of speed and power. Mosley hasn't really shown much firepower in the past few years aside from his KO over Vargas but we all know Vargas was far from prime.

And actually, I think that should have been called a knockdown. A right hook landed on the top of Floyd's head and his glove touched the canvas. I don't think he was hurt, though.

Yeah alright he lost all of his big fights he is very overated and he has proven this time and time again. And Mosley has way more speed and Power than he will ever have.

[sonofdarkness]

I never said he was hurt, I only pointed that, by rule, he was knocked down.

Ok fair enough. But it was not called lol.ANyway that is not what we were talking about.:smoke

[pipe wrenched]

I like both fighters here for sure. However, I think Cotto will over come Shane's assets to win by a late KO.

[sonofdarkness]

Jeez.

I'm not talking about if he's overrated or not. :patsch I'm talking about his speed and power.

And "way more speed and Power"? That's a big overstatement. Considering Mosley's last three fights at 147 have all ended in decision wins. Wheras Judah's single KO over Spinks [who went the distance with Karmazin and Taylor] shits all over those three wins.

I am aware of that but I am saying Shane has shown way more speed and power his whole career.Pretty simple

[Polo28]

Very Good Arguments.

[PR Boxing Lore]

one bad thing I noticed about Cotto is he has a habit of closing his eyes . . . thats how Corley hurt him pretty bad.
Mosley always closes his eyes when punching,Mayweather was making fun of him because of that.Cotto can adapt very well in fights,I see him stopping Mosley for the first time in his career.Great fight.

[Lex]

he used to have better defense as a young prospect. . . IMO he's the kinda guy who has fallen in love with his power. . . easy to see why but he will probably pay dearly for it.

Yup, that's what got him into difficulties against N'Dou. But, Cotto showed good adaptability and adjusted, using more movement and outboxing N'Dou rather than slugging it out relentlessly.

If he could make that adjustment midfight, he can do it again if necessary against Shane. But it won't be an easy fight no matter how Cotto approaches it.

[jlrivera81]

I'm predicting Cotto to win easier than most people think. Somewhere around 8 rounds to 4 or 9 rounds to 3. Remember I called it.

[PR Boxing Lore]

I have no idea where you're getting this "he throws wide punches" ..I agree he can leave himself open but I've never saw the Cotto you've described. His punches seem straight and textbook to me.
I agree with you a 100%, I've never seen him throw wild punches in fact almost all his punches are well placed and do damage in every place they land,ask Branco.

[41fever]

I'll be extremely proud of SSM if he wins convincingly cuz he ducks no one! However, Cotto is no joke and I expect the Rican to tap that azz! Sorry SSM, but ur time is due.

[Boricua - TLH]

Mosely is already HOF material. His last loss will come against a future latin HOF in a "FIGHT For The AGES". He will be remembered for allways fighting the best, not ducking any top contender and for always putting on a great show, even when he didn't win the fight. Great respect for Mosely here for what he's given all of us boxing fans during his great career, but honestly, his age will be tested for the first time against a top notch, relentless, reckoning assaulting force, in Miguel "Liver-Killer" Cotto... Cotto by Stoppage within 10 rds...

[BewareofDawg]

I feel this will actually be Cotto's first test. One I think he'll fail. Shane is a level above Judah and several above anyone else Cotto has ever fought. As been stated several times earlier in thread, Cotto's defense is very penetrable and Shanes offense is great...power and speed. I think Shane either takes a clear UD or even a late round stoppage.

[Sug3]

I'm sick of playing around now,i'm gonna tell u how the fight's gonna go,mosley will dominate the first 7 rounds and after that expect cotto and his corner to have no answer's.

Mosley will win this fight by tko,because,cotto is a bleeder,cotto cut's,cotto's lip alway's get's busted up,with all these thing's one should wonder that the moment mosley hit's cotto with a combo or clean punch,just imagine what kinda cut he will open up.

[Tito Time]

Agreed.

I hope for the best for both of these guys.

In the end, I feel Shane will land too many punches.

I too will be there slick nick.

Anyone know when the tickets go on sale?

Cotto SD or vica versa.

[Boricua - TLH]

I'm sick of playing around now,i'm gonna tell u how the fight's gonna go,mosley will dominate the first 7 rounds and after that expect cotto and his corner to have no answer's.

Mosley will win this fight by tko,because,cotto is a bleeder,cotto cut's,cotto's lip alway's get's busted up,with all these thing's one should wonder that the moment mosley hit's cotto with a combo or clean punch,just imagine what kinda cut he will open up.

Every time Cotto is cut, he tends to climb some aggressiveness levels. If Mosley indeed cuts Cotto, he will be in for a long night. When have you ever seen Cotto desperate after being cut? He is a beast, if he gets cut, that don't even matter to him. He just hits harder after being cut. And I also would like to know if you've ever seen any Cotto opponent not needing a facial reconstruction after a fight. Everyone talks about Cotto's body attack, but he works the upper and lower boddy attack evenly effective.

Mosley won't dominate the 1st 7 rounds. To say that is to completely disregard Cotto's preparation for his fights. He imposes his game plan every time. He goes mentally prepared for anything! This will be one of those fights in which critics like you will say Cotto is not ready, he hasn't faced any one like (name), he's in for a rude awakening; then after the fight you have to come back into these forums and say, Cotto impressed me, blah, blah, blah... Do you know how many mouths he has shut during his career? Yours will be one mor to be added to that loooooooooooong list... :deal

[AG11]

Cotto always pulls through. I have had doubts in the past as to if he would win. I have learned from those mistakes. He has proven himself and I have learned to believe in him and not second guess him. I remember wanting him to win the Quintana fight but was worried about him losing.... he wouldn't blow out the slick Quintana.....I was WRONG! Cotto IS THE REAL DEAL....no question about it, definitely a tough fight but he will pull through as he always does.

[red cobra]

Cotto is a very good fighter, and I respect him, but he would be smart if he adopted a style that capitalized on his natural strength, but didn't cause him to leave himself open to punishment by going for the big ko wins. He should develope a style somewhat like Dick Tiger's with the use of controlled pressure and go for decision wins on point, and concentrate on defense a little more in the process. Intelligent, controlled pressure.

[Caper]

I'm sick of playing around now,i'm gonna tell u how the fight's gonna go,mosley will dominate the first 7 rounds and after that expect cotto and his corner to have no answer's.

Mosley will win this fight by tko,because,cotto is a bleeder,cotto cut's,cotto's lip alway's get's busted up,with all these thing's one should wonder that the moment mosley hit's cotto with a combo or clean punch,just imagine what kinda cut he will open up.

Sug....what are you sick of my dude? Everyone is well aware of your prediction and your allowed to have your own opinion. Why are you so angry at Cotto....what did he do to you?? Relax my dude puff one on me. I know a couple of Dominicans uptown that can help you ease the pain with a little medicine.:smoke

[EL BULLY]

Cotto is seriously out of his depth in this fights. Props to him for taking it but I fear he will get stopped within 5.

You can't put muscles on your chin and he's never faced anyone remotley as good and powerful as SSM.

[kirk]

If you think Judah lacked heart in the fight, you didn't see it. true marnoff, but heart also counts in having the courage to fire back... judah didnt have the heart to punch back because of the counters... ala gatti/mayweather... they have got tons of heart for staying in there and taking that beating... no doubt, but i think he was talking more heart where hes able to fire back in the face of such onslaught.

[kirk]

and i love cotto, and not sure who ill be rooting for in this fight... but i think mosley is too good, and all wrong, for cotto. Mosley will put his punches together, and cotto has to be pretty planted to land the type of powerpunches he likes to throw... and mosley will get there first.. and more. Imo Mosley stops him around 7

[Sug3]

Sug....what are you sick of my dude? Everyone is well aware of your prediction and your allowed to have your own opinion. Why are you so angry at Cotto....what did he do to you?? Relax my dude puff one on me. I know a couple of Dominicans uptown that can help you ease the pain with a little medicine.:smoke

I like cotto as a fighter,but i dont think he can hang with the likes of williams,margarito,mosley or mayweather,there in a diff class,but this mosley fight would be a good learning process for cotto,i just hope it doesn't ruin cotto,because i enjoy his fight's.

As for dominican's and all that i have cuban,dominican and lot's of puerto rican friend's u must not have looked at my lady friend on my profile avatar,she's puerto rican and i'm a new yorker so it's all hood.

I love cotto as a fighter,but williams is too much for cotto,mosley too slick and experienced for cotto,margarito will be too strong for cotto,mayweather too skilled for cotto,but clottey would be perfect for cotto,because it's a even fight.

[Caper]

I like cotto as a fighter,but i dont think he can hang with the likes of williams,margarito,mosley or mayweather,there in a diff class,but this mosley fight would be a good learning process for cotto,i just hope it doesn't ruin cotto,because i enjoy his fight's.

As for dominican's and all that i have cuban,dominican and lot's of puerto rican friend's u must not have looked at my lady friend on my profile avatar,she's puerto rican and i'm a new yorker so it's all hood.

I love cotto as a fighter,but williams is too much for cotto,mosley too slick and experienced for cotto,margarito will be too strong for cotto,mayweather too skilled for cotto,but clottey would be perfect for cotto,because it's a even fight.

The fact that you put Cotto and Clottey on the same level scares me. :oops:

[maciek4]

I'm surprised Cotto is fighting Mosley. I was really hoping he would fight Mayweather next. I believe Cotto is ready for Mayweather. Win or lose he wont be the same fighter after Mosley, I feel this fight will be a war that will take a lot from both guys.

[AG11]

Is it November yet?????????????????????

[TroubleLurks]

I feel this will actually be Cotto's first test. One I think he'll fail. Shane is a level above Judah and several above anyone else Cotto has ever fought. As been stated several times earlier in thread, Cotto's defense is very penetrable and Shanes offense is great...power and speed. I think Shane either takes a clear UD or even a late round stoppage.:deal

[Caper]

:deal

Trouble, I've been following Mosely since the begining of his career he's going down as one of the greats no doubt about it. This will be an incredible fight that will be talked about for ages but the only way I see Mosely winning is if he can back Cotto up. We all know Mosely will not stay on the outside and box Cotto for 12rds he's a ballzy mofo and will fight inside. If Mosely does not back Cotto up he will lose.....:deal

[Knob McDude]

Cotto is winning this fight.

All you experts picking against him, better give him the credit he deserves when he wins.

I'm sick of people picking against him every fight, and then giving him no credit when he wins.

He wins this fight, and he better be in everyone's top 10 p4p.

[TroubleLurks]

Trouble, I've been following Mosely since the begining of his career he's going down as one of the greats no doubt about it. This will be an incredible fight that will be talked about for ages but the only way I see Mosely winning is if he can back Cotto up. We all know Mosely will not stay on the outside and box Cotto for 12rds he's a ballzy mofo and will fight inside. If Mosely does not back Cotto up he will lose.....:dealI don't think so. Mosley's speed will pay huge dividends when they go toe to toe. Cotto is not too hard to hit, neither is Shane for that matter, but Mosley has the better beard. Mosley is too smart and too experienced to let Cotto blast him in the body all night. It will be a great fight that Mosley will win regardless of if he backs Cotto up IMO. But on a side note, I think he will back Cotto up.:yep

[TroubleLurks]

wow this thread has only been made about 200 times by 200 other people.Thank you captain obvious!:good Please give us another spectacular post.:smoke

[Caper]

I don't think so. Mosley's speed will pay huge dividends when they go toe to toe. Cotto is not too hard to hit, neither is Shane for that matter, but Mosley has the better beard. Mosley is too smart and too experienced to let Cotto blast him in the body all night. It will be a great fight that Mosley will win regardless of if he backs Cotto up IMO. But on a side note, I think he will back Cotto up.:yep

:smoke

This is how I see the fight going…Shane and Cotto will do little feeling out Shane will make first contact as Cotto like to feel out his opponent before waging all out war. Shane will move early pop shot Cotto and occasionally exchange in pockets. Cotto will counter effectively slowly timing Mosely and landing small combo’s that are high on the power/accuracy level and less on the volume level. Mosely looks smooth when he’s comfortable with his combos though he tends to not follow through with his punches they are meant to hurt but shane does not like to comment his entire body to his punches because it leave room for counters. Shane’s defense is average at best he does utilize much upper body movement when defending and this is why fighters with good jabs often land and land frequently on Shane. Shane depends more on his leg movement for defense. Cotto is not the quickest fighter in the division and most of us know this but his speed is underrated, Cotto relies more on instinct and logic when studying a fighter’s movements and habits in the ring this is why Cotto has been able to nullify fighters with faster hands. Cotto will allow shane to throw at will in moments in the fight just so he can work his way under Shanes punches to reach his body. Cotto will occasionally catch Shane in the face frustrating him and making Shane take out his frustrations by upping his punch output which will allow Cotto to counter with cleaner my effective and more importantly more efficient punches. The difference in this fight will be patience Cotto can be hit and can be hurt but he cannot be rattled he does not lose focus and he does surrender. Shane is almost impossible to hurt but he can be rattled he can be frustrated and he can lose focus. Shanes determination will always be their but his superior athleticism will be his greatest trait and his biggest mistake in this fight. Cotto will utilize Shanes physically gifts against him and slowly break him down. Cotto will punch through the target head to body, while shane will punch the target mostly head. Cotto can also be tested to the body but Shane will rarely be in position to land effective body shots because Cotto’s body is mostly vulnerable during times when both fighters are dancing in the ring and not in the pocket. Shane will concentrate on landing strong combo’s to the head while in the pocket and Cotto will mix his attack staying low with straight rights to distract his body attack. Both fighters will have their moments Shane will look good but in consistent while Cotto will slowly wear him down taking the late rounds and running away with a well fought SD or UD.

[AG11]

I don't think so. Mosley's speed will pay huge dividends when they go toe to toe. Cotto is not too hard to hit, neither is Shane for that matter, but Mosley has the better beard. Mosley is too smart and too experienced to let Cotto blast him in the body all night. It will be a great fight that Mosley will win regardless of if he backs Cotto up IMO. But on a side note, I think he will back Cotto up.:yep

I don't think Cotto will have trouble with Shane's speed. He has dealt with his fair share of speedy boxers in Malignaggi and Judah and was able to nutralize their speed by cutting off the ring and hitting the body. Mosley definitely has proven to be the smarter fighter thus far, but I'm confident that Cotto will show off his smarts in this fight.