Murray vs Khan

[pne buz]

Ive always been a big believer that if they met Murray would be victorious by KO.I think Murray looked good tonight although he started slow.I also think that Mcallisters speed and style is a good fight to get under his belt in terms of dealing with Khans speed.I dont think Murray could walk through Khan like he did Mcallister but i do think he could take Khans punches and if he negotiated the 1st round or 2 and turned it into a slugfest Murray wins the fight.Just my take on it,what do you all think now Murray has put 2 solid performances in a row together??

[TFFP]

I think you are right about negotiating the first rounds of the fight. Murray should not think too much about Prescott, nor should he think about landing one crippling punch like Fagan. That shit leads to mistakes.

It depends how Murray fights, but I'm a firm believer he has a big chance to win.

[rumour24tiger]

They're both great prospects for Britain and I'm sure they will go seperate routes. Great contrast of styles, personalities, the potential for the local rivalry. Can only see this happening if they both pick up a world title, some big money, high stakes sort of Haye/Mac style bout when both have reached their primes.

Speed/movement gives Murray problems but he showed he could deal with this with a nice 8th round stopage of gifted McAllister tonight.

Strength/body punching/pressure troubles Khan, as we saw in his slugfest with Michael Gomez. Khan exceptionally fast but fragile.

I'm happy with Murray-Thaxton. British/European title unification. Murray made a great case for it tonight, Thaxton was working as analyst and ppl will want the fight.

In the meantime, hope Murray is kept busy. Keep momentum, get the Lancs fans behind him, maybe vs Castle or Lawton.

[PrideOfWales]

Just look at the Gomez fight for some inspiration.

[Kid Lucky]

I wasn't that impressed when first saw Murray, mainly because of all the praise that he'd already had. However over the last couple fights he seems to have really become more comfortable in his style.

He does look a little one-paced at times but against Khan I couldn't see the fight going the distance without Murray getting close enough to trade and when Khan sticks his head up he gets knocked out.

Fight won't happen unless Khan gets beat by Barrera.

[zico2010]

That was the first time ive seen Murray, and while i was inpressed with his patience, and ability close up, im not so sure it would be enough to deal with Khan. He didnt look to have outstanding one-punch power, although he did well to wear the tricky McAlister down and cut the ring off well in the later rounds. However, while he might not have McAllister's chin, Khan is much, much faster, hits harder, and albeit against limited opposition, doesnt need any encouragement to get a hurt opponent finsished off. I dont think Khan would sit againt the ropes inviting shots from Murray like McAllister did. I reckon Khan would knock Murray out.

[faisal]

training in america in the wildcard with the worlds best trainer + being naturally fast and having good movement should be enough to beat murray IMO,
khan stops him, from all neutral accounts murray appears slow and static and doesnt deal well with movement, i think khan jabs his face off and stops him in the mid rounds.
khan may never shine against the cream of the divisions but he should have enough to deal with british/euro and may be fridge contender level type of opponents

[Ed.]

Murray looked cold early on, was predictable and slow. He walked through McAllister and used his strength. I reckon Khan could UD him all the way if he keeps his chin tucked away.

[brown bomber]

Murray Khan is 50-50. I'd favour Khan very slightly, but Murray would have a great chance of victory.

[pne buz]

Murray Khan is 50-50. I'd favour Khan very slightly, but Murray would have a great chance of victory.

51 - 49 then?:lol:

[Beeston Brawler]

For me it depends on whose fight they fight.

If Murray can drag Khan in, he would beat him. Amir tends to try to bang his way out of trouble as well, leaving himself wide open to the body.

[brown bomber]

51 - 49 then?:lol:
50.5-49.5:good

[nufc16]

i just dont think murray would be able to just walkthrough khans punches like he did against mccalister. cant help but think that despite his bullish fighting style and determination, he would have his will broken by khan constantly moving in and out of range and peppering him with fast hard accurate shots. always the chance that khan gets too macho but i really doubt he'd try and go toe to toe with him like mccalister did.

saying that though, if the fight goes past 9 or 10 rounds, i'd back murray to catch up with khan and stop him, but i just think he'd of been tko'd before then.

[stake501]

mcallister was giving murray a lot of trouble when he was punching and moving. In the end he didnt have the stamina to do it for a sustained period and just stood still in front of murray. i think khan punches a lot harder than mcallister and if hes really learning from freddy, he wouldnt stand on the ropes in range against murray. Of course his chin is always an equalizer with anyone he fights but if he tightens up his defence it should be a relatively easy night for khan.

[rumour24tiger]

training in america in the wildcard with the worlds best trainer + being naturally fast and having good movement should be enough to beat murray IMO,
khan stops him, from all neutral accounts murray appears slow and static and doesnt deal well with movement, i think khan jabs his face off and stops him in the mid rounds.
khan may never shine against the cream of the divisions but he should have enough to deal with british/euro and may be fridge contender level type of opponents
In other words you've never seen him fight. Thanks for the expert opinion:lol:

The evidence of last night, when Murray broke down a very talented, fast, mobile challenger, who he'd never even seen fight before...suggests that Murray has the abilities to go in there with Khan.

Murray is young, and can move on and improve on last night's impressive win.

[kurt2006]

Yes fighting Murray would be like a stroll in the park for Khan. I bet even if Khan was badly constipated he would still beat Murray easily. Murray is one dimensional and a dirty fighter.

[pne buz]

You must be joking right? I just saw the fight agains Mccallister. Murray is just an ordinary fighter. Khan will stop him in 4 rounds. There were like 2 people in the audience last night. No wonder Murray keeps on mentioning Khans name, nobody want to see Murray. They'll only buy a ticket for Khan not for Murray. There are thousands of Murrays in the world. Just plain average fighters. And by the way who cares ahout Khan vs Murray anyways. Khan vs MAB is a way more competitive fight.

Very unfair comments towards Murray.He will end up with a better resume than china chin by the end of his career whilst Khan will end up 100 times richer.That is what is wrong with boxing!

[SouthpawSlayer]

this would be a good match up and quite even, id be edging towards khan though

[pne buz]

Oh really? Khan is 22, fought way better fighters than Murray and has the fastest hands in the lightweight division. Murray is 24, fought only journeymen and uhhh...whats the best attribute hes got?

Bollocks.The only better fighter Khan has on his record than McCallister and Meager is Prescott and we all know what happened there!

[warrior85]

murray will beat khan,murray-thaxton is what i want to see.

[Thomasl19]

I think that khan maybe bit a bit to fast for murray. but would be a good fight. Is murray good enough for a world title fight down the line?

[cupid]

50/50 fight for me
depends on how much khan defense will improve whn thy will meet in da ring if khan defense improved thn khan tko 6

[faisal]

In other words you've never seen him fight. Thanks for the expert opinion:lol:

The evidence of last night, when Murray broke down a very talented, fast, mobile challenger, who he'd never even seen fight before...suggests that Murray has the abilities to go in there with Khan.

Murray is young, and can move on and improve on last night's impressive win.
if his victory was that impressive why hasnt any boxing journalist comented on the fight thus far? it hasnt even made the headlines on ESB lol
and dont try and big mcalister up he was never anything special to begin with

[TFFP]

I don't think Khan has done anything more impressive in his career than Murray's last two fights. Murray is on the right road now and its been a long time coming.

I'm sure he'll only get the fight if Khan loses to Barrera. Otherwise I doubt their paths will cross.

[brown bomber]

Oh really? Khan is 22, fought way better fighters than Murray and has the fastest hands in the lightweight division. Murray is 24, fought only journeymen and uhhh...whats the best attribute hes got?
When kids and keyboards collide. :rofl

[Pug1list]

Murray has a horrible style, very slow and has a worse defence than Khan, if McCallister had any power he would have won.

[brown bomber]

The Khan- Murray fight will be decided by two intangibles.

One- Can Murray take Khans punches? He's not really fought anyone who can punch so we don't know and

Two- How long can Khan keep it at range when under pressure? Judging by the trouble he was in against Limmond and the body shot that nearly doubled him the Gomez fight he's going to struggle.

Murrays attitude is excellent and where as Witter found himself in the shadow of Hatton by enpowering him with his constant jibes, Murray has been smart enough to recognise that Thaxton-Murray means a lot more then anything Khan has to offer other then a biiiig paycheck. Khan beats Barrera and I still don't see Khan been recognised as a real contender. I think a Khan victory will say more about Barrera then it will about Khan. But its a fascinating match none the less.

[brown bomber]

Murray has a horrible style, very slow and has a worse defence than Khan, if McAllister had any power he would have won. Not really though... if you think about it.

[Pug1list]

The Khan- Murray fight will be decided by two intangibles.

One- Can Murray take Khans punches? He's not really fought anyone who can punch so we don't know and

Two- How long can Khan keep it at range when under pressure? Judging by the trouble he was in against Limmond and the body shot that nearly doubled him the Gomez fight he's going to struggle.

Murrays attitude is excellent and where as Witter found himself in the shadow of Hatton by enpowering him with his constant jibes, Murray has been smart enough to recognise that Thaxton-Murray means a lot more then anything Khan has to offer other then a biiiig paycheck. Khan beats Barrera and I still don't see Khan been recognised as a real contender. I think a Khan victory will say more about Barrera then it will about Khan. But its a fascinating match none the less.

Murray was banging on about how he would stop Khan in 2 rounds last night.

[brown bomber]

Murray was banging on about how he would stop Khan in 2 rounds last night.Yes and in the same sentance, he told us that he would rather fight Thaxton.

[Beeston Brawler]

Who would you bet on Thaxton vs Murray

[Pug1list]

Yes and in the same sentance, he told us that he would rather fight Thaxton.

Thaxton would destroy him.

[brown bomber]

Thaxton would destroy him. I know mate... He just doesn't seem to have the beard at top level does he? I'll be very suprised if he beats Barrera too. :nut

[TFFP]

Pick em, ain't it.

Thaxton has a lot of things to cause Murray problems, and vice-versa. The southpaw stance caused Murray a few headaches, and Thaxton is awkward with it.

The Thaxton that fought Hatton would be favoured strongly. But he's older and prone to cuts, against a young relentless man.

[brown bomber]

Who would you bet on Thaxton vs MurrayI'd confidently pick Murray. I really like Thaxton though, he's a thorough professional and i'm sure it would be an absolutely tremendous fight. Murray-Thaxton if marketed correctly by Hennesey would make John Murray a big star, if he won of course.

[Pug1list]

Easy to be relentless when facing powder puff punchers.

[TFFP]

You mean like the sort that Khan's feasted on? At least Murray hasn't been hurt by them.

[rumour24tiger]

You get some right misers on here.

Thaxton's a fantastic fighter, BUT...Look at the trouble Thaxton had with Eammon Magee. It was the body shots if anyone recalls. Murray throws quite a good body shot, some of you may recall...

Thaxton-Murray will be a superb fight. A must-see battle.

Thaxton would have had a hard time of it vs McAllister, the speed and mobility. Amittedly those are not the fights that a guy like Thaxton need go for (unproven, difficult, fast youngsters) at this late stage in his career.

Many ppl seem to be forgetting Khan-Gomez, where Khan was dropped and hurt to the body in a terrific little scrap. Murray potentially better than prime Gomez, and Khan fought a shadow of Gomez.

[Beeston Brawler]

I would cautiously pick Thaxton - his awkwardness would trouble Murray a great deal, and he has the equaliser. If you take away Haye and Maccarinelli, are there any better P4P punchers than him?

Murray seems to me a weaker version of Ricky Hatton - on the evidence of last night especially.....

Thaxton is a lot better than his record would suggest IMO, can take a good punch, but is prone to cuts as previously mentioned......

Good fight, hope it happens.

[Pug1list]

Limond, Lawton, Earl, St Clair, Kristjansen, Gomez, Prescott, Fagan better than anyone Murray has faced.

[TFFP]

Yeah, Junior Witter hits a lot harder. Carl Froch probably does. Maybe even Kevin Mitchell.

Thaxton is just awkward and caught guys unaware at times. Not that great of a puncher me thinks.

[brown bomber]

You get some right misers on here.

Thaxton's a fantastic fighter, BUT...Look at the trouble Thaxton had with Eammon Magee. It was the body shots if anyone recalls. Murray throws quite a good body shot, some of you may recall...

?? No it wasn't it was a cross/hook that put him trouble and a sustained volley of punches to the head that stopped him. :huh

[rumour24tiger]

I'd confidently pick Murray. I really like Thaxton though, he's a thorough professional and i'm sure it would be an absolutely tremendous fight. Murray-Thaxton if marketed correctly by Hennesey would make John Murray a big star, if he won of course.Marketing's a key point, I agree.

I mean do you hype it on the grounds that Thaxton gave Hatton a bad cut before getting worked over by the bigger man. If so, I doubt Hennessy - who brought Witter to Euro and world titles - would be comfortable doing this.

Does it get promoted in Lancs, to give Murray the guy with the future advantage? Or on Thaxton, the great old pro, territory?

[Beeston Brawler]

In one punch........

Witter does yes, Froch maybe on a par. Wouldn't say Mitchell, more cumulative IMO.

[brown bomber]

Limond, Earl, Gomez better than anyone Murray has faced. Fixed and Meager wasn't far behind.

[rumour24tiger]

?? No it wasn't it was a cross/hook that put him trouble and a sustained volley of punches to the head that stopped him. :huhwhich was the fight where Thaxton was hurt by the body shots then? Obviously Hatton worked him over nicely, but I'm sure there was another.

[TFFP]

Earl?!?! :lol:

Give over. His good days were beat out of him against Katsidis. Khan fought the same version that fought Henry Castle.

[brown bomber]

Marketing's a key point, I agree.

I mean do you hype it on the grounds that Thaxton gave Hatton a bad cut before getting worked over by the bigger man. If so, I doubt Hennessy - who brought Witter to Euro and world titles - would be comfortable doing this.

Does it get promoted in Lancs, to give Murray the guy with the future advantage? Or on Thaxton, the great old pro, territory? He just sells it as a classic crossroads british/euro title fight, everyone who likes REAL boxing will recognise this fights significance and jump on board. I'd go to this fught regardless of the location.

[brown bomber]

which was the fight where Thaxton was hurt by the body shots then? Obviously Hatton worked him over nicely, but I'm sure there was another. Not too sure mate. Augustus perhaps... he completely worked him over. That might be the one your thinking of.

[brown bomber]

Earl?!?! :lol:

Give over. His good days were beat out of him against Katsidis. Khan fought the same version that fought Henry Castle.
I'm tempted to agree with you mate but i'm giving the nuthugger the benefit of doubt :good

[Beeston Brawler]

Earl was a shell - the guy can barely talk.

[Pug1list]

Hamidi and Mungia lol

[brown bomber]

Hamidi is a good fighter. Very good.

[Pug1list]

Better than Barrera, yeah?

[kosaros]

Better than Barrera, yeah?

Has Khan fought Barrera yet?

[brown bomber]

Better than Barrera, yeah? Khan hasn't beaten Barrera. Hamidi comes to fight. Beyond Khan what do you know about the sport?

[Pug1list]

Probably more than the anti-Khan brigade put together.

[Beeston Brawler]

Hamidi is very good IMO

Probably the best journeyman in the UK

[Pug1list]

Yeah Hamidi is good, he beat Murray, so did Mungia.

[TFFP]

Your hero gets hurt by the friction between air and glove when a punch is thrown near him.

Enjoy watching him get KO'd.

[kosaros]

and Limond beat Khan, so did Prescott.

[Pug1list]

Yeah more glass in his chin than a chandelier, but he is facing an ATG, well see how far Murray gets.

[brown bomber]

But he didn't did he? Thats like me saying Limmond beat Khan, or Khan should of been stopped against Craig Watson in the amateurs? I'm not anti Khan... I say this time and time again. He's an excellent fighter but he is not as far ahead of the pack as you think. Murray has the style and power to beat Khan. Khan has the handspeed and class to beat Murray. Thaxton has the punch and experiance to beat Khan, Khan has the veratility and youth to outclass Thaxton. The problem is your mans chin gives anyone decent a punches chance againt him, when you couple the punchers chance with other attributes such as intelligent pressure, or experiance and punch picking the probability of Khan getting beaten again becomes much more likely. That is a fact and one that you as a self proclaimed 'boxing guru' should understand.

[Pug1list]

Of course Khan will get beat again, but his skill set will take him further than Murray.

[TFFP]

I doubt that. You can have all the skills in the world, you WILL get hit at some point by good fighters.

Both are domestic/European level at best.

[ishy]

Of course Khan will get beat again, but his skill set will take him further than Murray.

Define skillset

[Pug1list]

Define skillset

Speed, Power, Accuracy.

[brown bomber]

Of course Khan will get beat again, but his skill set will take him further than Murray. No his matchmaking may take him further. But head to head theres little difference.

[ishy]

Speed, Power, Accuracy.

What about defence, footwork, timing?

[Pug1list]

What about defence, footwork, timing?

Khan is better in those areas aswell, Murray is a brawler.

[TFFP]

Neither is going further, I'd put the house on it. Khan might get bigger fights because he's got the financial clout, but he will come up horribly short. He'll be KO'd brutally at world class, Murray will be outboxed easily and stopped.

[kosaros]

Prescott is also a brawler, styles make fights.

[Pug1list]

Hatton does what Murray does, except 1000 times better.

[kurt2006]

Murray is not even a good brawler when the other fighter can has a bit of power.

[ishy]

Khan is better in those areas aswell, Murray is a brawler.



Do you really think Khan has better accuracy, defence, timing and even powerthan Murray?

Khan has excellent handspeed and just lets his hands go but his punches aren't accurate or well timed. Murray also has a much better variety of punches. Khan doesn't throw many bodyshots, uppercuts and even hooks. All of his punches are straight.

I'm not saying Murray will be world class but he has the 'tools' to expose Khan's weaknesses. If Khan fights Murray he'll have to keep him on the end of his jab for 12 rounds. Khan has yet to score a clean KO and most of his stoppages come from him overwhelming his opponents with his handspeed. If Murray is careful in the first two or three rounds and adjusts to Khan's speed then Khan's in trouble. Murray will start breaking him down and stop him in the second half of the fight. If Murray starts like a madman then Khan will pepper him with shots and stop him.

[brown bomber]

Hatton does what Murray does, except 1000 times better. Your critisisms are aimless.

[Pug1list]

Do you really think Khan has better accuracy, defence, timing and even powerthan Murray?

Khan has excellent handspeed and just lets his hands go but his punches aren't accurate or well timed. Murray also has a much better variety of punches. Khan doesn't throw many bodyshots, uppercuts and even hooks. All of his punches are straight.

I'm not saying Murray will be world class but he has the 'tools' to expose Khan's weaknesses. If Khan fights Murray he'll have to keep him on the end of his jab for 12 rounds. Khan has yet to score a clean KO and most of his stoppages come from him overwhelming his opponents with his handspeed. If Murray is careful in the first two or three rounds and adjusts to Khan's speed then Khan's in trouble. Murray will start breaking him down and stop him in the second half of the fight. If Murray starts like a madman then Khan will pepper him with shots and stop him.

Yeah i do believe Khan has better accuracy timing power than Murray, his early stoppages would attest to this. Murray takes 5 rounds to get going.

[Primadonna Kool]

Amir Khan, will make Murray retire and look like Al Murray after they meet.

There is always a punches a chance, but that's a very slim chance and a boxer should never relie on that. Amir Khan is just to fast and just too slick..........

[mughalmirza786]

Amir Khan, will make Murray retire and look like Al Murray after they meet.

There is always a punches a chance, but that's a very slim chance and a boxer should never relie on that. Amir Khan is just to fast and just too slick..........

I dont see why murray is so talked about here. Hes not special and he is slow and predictable. Mcalister and 5 ko wins, he would have beaten him if he had some power. Against khan he would have a substantial size disadvantage and speed disadvantage. Khan wins on accumalation in a gomez manner.

[ishy]

I dont see why murray is so talked about here. Hes not special and he is slow and predictable. Mcalister and 5 ko wins, he would have beaten him if he had some power. Against khan he would have a substantial size disadvantage and speed disadvantage. Khan wins on accumalation in a gomez manner.

'In a Gomez manner' :lol::lol:. Gomez dropped Khan and had him hurt from a bodyshot. Murray proved last night he can punch to the body with some venom and has enough power overall to stop Khan.

[Pug1list]

To look at if from another perspective, what limits Khan from being world class? his chin, what limits Murray from being world class? everything.

[brown bomber]

Amir Khan, will make Murray retire and look like Al Murray after they meet.

There is always a punches a chance, but that's a very slim chance and a boxer should never relie on that. Amir Khan is just to fast and just too slick..........He's a lot faster and slicker then Prescott too... result L KO 1.

[rumour24tiger]

Not too sure mate. Augustus perhaps... he completely worked him over. That might be the one your thinking of.
Yeah it must be that one. I recall Thaxton sagging from body shots in one of his defeats.

[brown bomber]

To look at if from another perspective, what limits Khan from being world class? his chin, what limits Murray from being world class? everything.That you can't see what is effective about Murrays style is testimony to your lack of knowledge about the sport. It just makes you look a bit foolish.

[Pug1list]

That you can't see what is effective about Murrays style is testimony to your lack of knowledge about the sport. It just makes you look a bit foolish.

Plain to see really, pressure fighter, who lacks power, speed or any other world class attribute, basically a poor mans Ricky Hatton.

[brown bomber]

I dont see why murray is so talked about here. Hes not special and he is slow and predictable. Mcalister and 5 ko wins, he would have beaten him if he had some power. Against khan he would have a substantial size disadvantage and speed disadvantage. Khan wins on accumalation in a gomez manner.There is no stylistic comparison between Gomez and Murray. They're completely different fighters.

[Pug1list]

Gomez could ko Murray i think.

[brown bomber]

Plain to see really, pressure fighter, who lacks power, speed or any other world class attribute, basically a poor mans Ricky Hatton.:lol:.... Are you intentionally been a bit... you know.... thick?

[rumour24tiger]

Of course Khan will get beat again, but his skill set will take him further than Murray.Khan has speed, but does that define skill set?

For skills, maybe you should look at Murray creating openings vs McAllister. Timing his right hand over McA's jab, landing his own heavy jabs, cornering the slippery Scotsman, getting a bit better each round. Applying pressure is also a part of skill, so is using good timing to deal with a faster opponent.

Surely you don't think Murray just walked forward, and landed shots when Lee "let him"?

Winning a long hard fight like that shows concentration, skill, stamina. Skill doesn't just mean winning every exchange in every second in every round. It means using a plan to carve out the W.

Murray also showed skill winning the inside battle v Meager, picking his shots well and breaking Meager down with a varied attack.

McAllister is a former light welter, actually looked bigger than Murray, fresh and fast and determined. Why doesn't Khan have fights v ppl like that? Khan has fought mainly super feathers.

[Pug1list]

Obviously not as 'thick' as Murray nuthuggers, time will reveal all.

[Pug1list]

Khan has speed, but does that define skill set?

For skills, maybe you should look at Murray creating openings vs McAllister. Timing his right hand over McA's jab, landing his own heavy jabs, cornering the slippery Scotsman, getting a bit better each round. Applying pressure is also a part of skill, so is using good timing to deal with a faster opponent.

Surely you don't think Murray just walked forward, and landed shots when Lee "let him"?

Winning a long hard fight like that shows concentration, skill, stamina. Skill doesn't just mean winning every exchange in every second in every round. It means using a plan to carve out the W.

Murray also showed skill winning the inside battle v Meager, picking his shots well and breaking Meager down with a varied attack.

McAllister is a former light welter, actually looked bigger than Murray, fresh and fast and determined. Why doesn't Khan have fights v ppl like that? Khan has fought mainly super feathers.

Lee dominated the first two rounds, got macho and got tired. If Lee had any power, would have had Murray in severe trouble. If Murray starts as slow against Khan, will be all over for him, picked off with clean shots.

[Grievesy]

This could be a really good fight. Very close fight IMO. Murray has more than just a punchers chance. If Murray can get inside then Khan will be in a whole world of trouble. That being said if Khan stays outside using his jab and his speed then Murray will be taking shots all night that I think will hurt him. It depends who's fight they fight.

I think Khan would win this probably by TKO mid to late rounds. Although I'm banking on him learning some defence and patience from Freddie Roach and fighting his fight. Not getting drawn into a brawl.

[brown bomber]

Khan has speed, but does that define skill set?

For skills, maybe you should look at Murray creating openings vs McAllister. Timing his right hand over McA's jab, landing his own heavy jabs, cornering the slippery Scotsman, getting a bit better each round. Applying pressure is also a part of skill, so is using good timing to deal with a faster opponent.

Surely you don't think Murray just walked forward, and landed shots when Lee "let him"?

Winning a long hard fight like that shows concentration, skill, stamina. Skill doesn't just mean winning every exchange in every second in every round. It means using a plan to carve out the W.

Murray also showed skill winning the inside battle v Meager, picking his shots well and breaking Meager down with a varied attack.

McAllister is a former light welter, actually looked bigger than Murray, fresh and fast and determined. Why doesn't Khan have fights v ppl like that? Khan has fought mainly super feathers. You see, thats what I saw.... and thanks for that... perfect timing to prove my point. Its very easy to notice Khan at the Olympics and then choose jump on his band wagon for whatever reason and claim to have all this knowledge. Pug1list your lack of knowlege won't be proved or disproved if Khan makes it and Murray doesn't. It has already been made abundently clear you have VERY LIMITED knowlege of the sport and the mechanics of a fight. You might be able to hold your own on amirfans or BBC606 but on here you're playing drafts and we're playing chess. :cool:




Wanted to use that line for ages... thanks:yep

[brown bomber]

Lee dominated the first two rounds, got macho and got tired. If Lee had any power, would have had Murray in severe trouble. If Murray starts as slow against Khan, will be all over for him, picked off with clean shots.Yep Lee tired for no reason. 14 weeks training and he just got out of breath after 6 minutes.:lol::patsch

Come on..... Get real.

[brown bomber]

This could be a really good fight. Very close fight IMO. Murray has more than just a punchers chance. If Murray can get inside then Khan will be in a whole world of trouble. That being said if Khan stays outside using his jab and his speed then Murray will be taking shots all night that I think will hurt him. It depends who's fight they fight.

I think Khan would win this probably by TKO mid to late rounds. Although I'm banking on him learning some defence and patience from Freddie Roach and fighting his fight. Not getting drawn into a brawl. You see thats intelligent argument Pug1list.... I think Khan certainly could win. But its no formality.

[TheChamp1000]

Speed kills.
Khan stops murray.
Khan has some pop behind his punches and would find murray often, like mcallister did.

[Pug1list]

JT it is abundantly clear you are not playing draughts or chess, Special Olympics would be more down your alley. Pity you couldn’t use your extreme boxing knowledge against Baz Carey.

[brown bomber]

JT it is abundantly clear you are not playing draughts or chess, Special Olympics would be more down your alley. Pity you couldn’t use your extreme boxing knowledge against Baz Carey.No mate i'll just use it on britishboxing.net where people with a lot more knowlege then you appreciate my opinion, so much so that they offered me an opportunity to contribute to the best site in the UK. Were you at my fight with Baz Carey? Do you know the ins and outs of why I lost. I don't really care about that fight, or the tail end of my boxing career.... but these losses enabled me to gain the knowlege and contacts to allow me to do what I do now. :hi:

[Beeston Brawler]

JT it is abundantly clear you are not playing draughts or chess, Special Olympics would be more down your alley. Pity you couldn’t use your extreme boxing knowledge against Baz Carey.

Fail

[brown bomber]

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No mate i'll just use it on britishboxing.net where people with a lot more knowlege then you appreciate my opinion, so much so that they offered me an opportunity to contribute to the best site in the UK. Were you at my fight with Baz Carey? Do you know the ins and outs of why I lost. I don't really care about that fight, or the tail end of my boxing career.... but these losses enabled me to gain the knowlege and contacts to allow me to do what I do now. :hi:

Congrats.

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Not a fan.

[brown bomber]

Fail... when people say stuff like that thinking i'm going to cry about it-it just makes me think 'argument won'....:good

[ishy]

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easy fight for amir, there were like 3 people in the crowd no wonder they wana fight amir. :patsch

[brown bomber]

Not a fan.:lol: yeah.... I'm pretty certain you are... In fact i'm pretty certain your Ironbull.... the guy who made a complete cock of himself pre Prescott... All this yeah he hasn't got the best chin talk is just to try an disguise the fact that you are a highly dedicated, grade A, A 1 nut sucker. :smooch

[brown bomber]

Quote from there: :patschThe atmosphere was immense for a small show. There was really funny banter between the two sets of fans.

[Beeston Brawler]

... when people say stuff like that thinking i'm going to cry about it-it just makes me think 'argument won'....:good

Yeah probably so.

Almost as if they know they are beaten and have to have a last word.

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Boxing experts are feeling sensitive i see.

[Beeston Brawler]

Nah..........

You just failed.

Thats all :hi:

[brown bomber]

Boxing experts are feeling sensitive i see.Not really mate... just playing Halo 3 waiting for you to write something so I can take the piss out of you.... Crack on:good

[ishy]

Boxing experts are feeling sensitive i see.

:roll:

[stake501]

all this proves is that its a good fight to be made and should happen for british boxing fans

[nicofly]

Limond, Lawton, Earl, St Clair, Kristjansen, Gomez, Prescott, Fagan better than anyone Murray has faced.


:rofl:rofl:rofl Are be jesus. :huh

[mughalmirza786]

'In a Gomez manner' :lol::lol:. Gomez dropped Khan and had him hurt from a bodyshot. Murray proved last night he can punch to the body with some venom and has enough power overall to stop Khan.

I didn't say hed destroy murray, but merely that if he did win it would be by stoppage, hes too open (so is khan) and amir is too fast.

[mughalmirza786]

Lee dominated the first two rounds, got macho and got tired. If Lee had any power, would have had Murray in severe trouble. If Murray starts as slow against Khan, will be all over for him, picked off with clean shots.

not to mention, mcalister was catching him with single shots, khan would be throwing combinations at him, also the size advantage would not suit murray. For me the thing that makes this fight interesting is the same thing that makes any amir khan fight interesting, simply that khan can and will go over if he takes one clean.

[widdy]

Not really mate... just playing Halo 3 waiting for you to write something so I can take the piss out of you.... Crack on:good

halo 3,play a mans game COD 5,online like us real kids,sorry grown men.

mcalister dident get tired,he got worn down by pressure,even after 2 rounds murry caught up with macalister,the faster more mobile boxer,i do think if murry stands in front of khan and not move his head he would get caught cold,if he moves and it go's past 4 or 5,i could see murray stop him,
left hook to body,right hook over top,murray through a lot of them,great 2 punchs them:happy

[TheChamp1000]

But he didn't did he? Thats like me saying Limmond beat Khan, or Khan should of been stopped against Craig Watson in the amateurs? I'm not anti Khan... I say this time and time again. He's an excellent fighter but he is not as far ahead of the pack as you think. Murray has the style and power to beat Khan. Khan has the handspeed and class to beat Murray. Thaxton has the punch and experiance to beat Khan, Khan has the veratility and youth to outclass Thaxton. The problem is your mans chin gives anyone decent a punches chance againt him, when you couple the punchers chance with other attributes such as intelligent pressure, or experiance and punch picking the probability of Khan getting beaten again becomes much more likely. That is a fact and one that you as a self proclaimed 'boxing guru' should understand.

I have not seen that much of Murray but from what I have seen I think a jabbing amir khan would control the fight.
McAllister was having success when he was keeping the fight at distance and got through with a couple of decent shots.
If Khan found murray as easily as McAllister did last night I think there is only one winner. Shaky a chin as amir does have if he is tagging Murray consistently, Murray is going to struggle to close the gaps and fight in close.

What did you think of tyson fury last night?

[brown bomber]

I have not seen that much of Murray but from what I have seen I think a jabbing amir khan would control the fight.
McAllister was having success when he was keeping the fight at distance and got through with a couple of decent shots.
If Khan found murray as easily as McAllister did last night I think there is only one winner. Shaky a chin as amir does have if he is tagging Murray consistently, Murray is going to struggle to close the gaps and fight in close.

What did you think of tyson fury last night?Thats the thing mate... he more you watch him the more you'll appreciate what he does... Lik Jamie Moore, or on amuch higher level, Julio Cesar Chavez.... these guys don't particularyl wow you with their capability but have a classabout them that you can't quite put your finger on. Murray knew he would catch up with McAllister, it was just a matter of time. Fury was excellent. A little hittable... But he was very quick for such a big man. Its safe to say already that it will take a very good fighter to beat him.

[Beeston Brawler]

Would you stick him in with Harrison next?

[TheChamp1000]

Thats the thing mate... he more you watch him the more you'll appreciate what he does... Lik Jamie Moore, or on amuch higher level, Julio Cesar Chavez.... these guys don't particularyl wow you with their capability but have a classabout them that you can't quite put your finger on. Murray knew he would catch up with McAllister, it was just a matter of time. Fury was excellent. A little hittable... But he was very quick for such a big man. Its safe to say already that it will take a very good fighter to beat him.

I will check out more of his fights. I hope Khan will give him or thaxton a fight . Unfortunately if Khan does beat Barrera then I cant see any of those fights happening. (I mean unfortunately as in we wont get to see the fights rather than I dont want amir to win)

I was impressed with fury his defense could use some improvement but for a kid that size at 20/21 it was an impressive performance.
He stated after the fight he only had 4 weeks proper training for it.
6ft 9inch monster on the horizon in the years to come.

[brown bomber]

I liked his undertaker step over the top rope

[boxing fan]

well done murray ,brawn won over brain,murrays fittness was very good,mcallisters was terrible,he was tired after 4 rounds,if he was realy fit he would have boxed the head off murray but after 4 rounds you could see mcallister was tired and so could murray,if mcallister put as much effort into training than talking he might have won this fight,he also couldnt shut up at the after fight interview,and in todays daily record he blames the ref for stopping him to early,he looked releived the fight was stopped,in another 2 or 3 rounds he would have been ko d ,standing in the corners taking punches to the head was tieredness not bravado

[brown bomber]

well done murray ,brawn won over brain,murrays fittness was very good,mcallisters was terrible,he was tired after 4 rounds,if he was realy fit he would have boxed the head off murray but after 4 rounds you could see mcallister was tired and so could murray,if mcallister put as much effort into training than talking he might have won this fight,he also couldnt shut up at the after fight interview,and in todays daily record he blames the ref for stopping him to early,he looked releived the fight was stopped,in another 2 or 3 rounds he would have been ko d ,standing in the corners taking punches to the head was tieredness not bravado Just like Benn-Watson, brawn over brain....:think

[SeasideSlugger]

Effective little fighter Murray. Would like to see a bit more head movement from him but yeah, good.

Every chance of beating Khan in a similar sort of fashion, if he can take the flurries and the power shots OR avoid them.

He plods about a bit but bloody hell if he catches up with you...........

[Darni187]

LOL Murray is too easy to hit, no headmovement, no jab, Slow footwork and hand speed. Does have a bit of a bang as he gears up shots when he is close, Khan would run rings around him. Khan would jab Murray's head off. If Mcallister had a better game plan and better fitness he would of beaten Murray. Plus the ref on sat night let Murray get away with so much is a joke.

[Darni187]

I knew about Amer Khan, I knew about Amir Khan. Who is this new lad Amir Khan? He sounds like a solid fighter who would not get put down by Michael Gomez or Willie Limond and who most definitely did not get splatted in a single round. This new guy sounds awesome.

Khan would get hit cleanly on the chin, at that point it would be end of the fight, unless Amir shows us otherwise in a meaningful fight against another career lightweight, when he takes on men in his own weight class he gets hurt or KO'd.

The question is if Khan beats MAB, who will he fight next? can't see him fighting bums after that. Khan's KD's have been been helped with poor defence and no headmovement and rushing in, i am not saying he has a great chin but improving in these areas is the only way Khan is going to make it at world stage. Roach is a World class trainer and iam sure will improve Khan's poor defence, and transfering weight from Khan's top to his skinny legs was a good move it may help him staying on his feet. I feel Khan should move up to LWW it will help his chin, due to having a fuller body and not feeling drained at LW.

[Darni187]

Nate Campbell. I cannot see him fighting Murray, Thaxton or Romanov. Beat MAB, take Nate and then defend against a decent name.

I like Amir, he was honest and open after his lost. His chin is chocolate pudding though.

Looking at WBO rankings MAB is ranked 1, Khan at 9, so if Khan beats MAB is will be Ranked No.1 in line to have a shot at Nate Campbell's WBO title.
Well if his chin is as bad as people think, he will soon be found out, and will be the end of Khan.

[pne buz]

Limond, Lawton, Earl, St Clair, Kristjansen, Gomez, Prescott, Fagan better than anyone Murray has faced.

Murraybeats all them with the possible exception of Prescott but hed certainly last longer than Khan did!

[pne buz]

Thats the thing mate... he more you watch him the more you'll appreciate what he does... Lik Jamie Moore, or on amuch higher level, Julio Cesar Chavez.... these guys don't particularyl wow you with their capability but have a classabout them that you can't quite put your finger on. Murray knew he would catch up with McAllister, it was just a matter of time. Fury was excellent. A little hittable... But he was very quick for such a big man. Its safe to say already that it will take a very good fighter to beat him.

Spot on that.

[LeadLeftHook]

Murray has 26 fights so far his best fights are McAllister and Meager both of whom are no more than level fighters. And hes already got two gifts against journeymen. I cannot believe people are calling for Murray-Khan when we have Barrera-Khan. Barrera went 12 rounds of very competitive fight against Pacman P4P #1 fighter only 12 months ago. Any version of Barrera is better than Murray will ever be.

I feel Barrera is too soo for Khan especially after being annihilated in under a mintue only 5 months ago. Campbell beat the best lightweight in Baby Bull Diaz who was considered virtually unstoppable. If and thats a big IF Khan gets past Barrera he shouldnt bother with Murray for now.

[Primadonna Kool]

Murray is a retard fighter, move's back and forward in straight lines, and struggles at the finer things in life. Not much talent, just abit of toughness. Mixed in with basic skills, some hard work and dedication........

He's got a punching chance, that's about it.

Glass Khan cut..

[Pug1list]

Murray is a cerebral assassin, clear from his post-match interview.

[brown bomber]

Murray is a retard fighter, move's back and forward in straight lines, and struggles at the finer things in life. Not much talent, just abit of toughness. Mixed in with basic skills, some hard work and dedication........

He's got a punching chance, that's about it.

Glass Khan cut.. :roll:

[faisal]

murrays looked good because of the style of fighters hes fought, against meager and mcalister he was the bigger and stonger man both guys elected to stand and trade with murray,neither of them had any power to trouble murray and both of them were nothing more then domestic level who hadnt seen any sucess beyond the domestic scene,
whenever mclister got his jab going murray seemed troubled, theres not many fighters who would have left themselves open as mcalister did, when murray was closing the distance mcalister just stood and made a scrap out of it rather then tie up and use the ring to stay out of harms way
the kids a good fighter and i'd give him a better chance of beating thaxton then khan, but a more elusive boxers will give him a thorough schooling

[newbridgeboxing]

Andy Murray would KO Khan!!