Pinoys vs Thais

[Stinky gloves]

Which country have better boxers and fighters: Thailand or Phillipines?
Who also have bigger traditions in matrial arts, not clasical boxing only (e.g. Muay Thai, Thai boxing, FFA etc.)?

Now best Pinoys:
Florante Condes IBF minimumweight 105-lb
Nonito Donaire IBF flyweight
Gerry Penalosa WBO bantam
PAC

Current Best Thais:
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam former (WBC) flyweight champion
Eagle Kyowa WBC strawweight
Somsak Sithchatchawal former WBA super bantamweights

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[theunderdog]

you're saying that pong should fight pac? are you even serious?

[GalangK]

Right now filipinos take it in boxing. They are just more willing to travel anywhere to prove it. I do believe however that a lot of people are underestimating the Thais calling them nothing more than fighters protected by home cooking.

ALthough this has some factual basis, they are much more willing to travel than the other asian boxing powerhouses in Japan and Korea. I mean you all know of Wonjongkam's suspect travel record but you should look at how often Japanese and Korean fighters fight overseas.

All three have good boxing traditions but their lack of willingness to travel to gain exposure has really hurt them.

[Stinky gloves]

you're saying that pong should fight pac? are you even serious?

Not fight, just you may compare their best achievemnts if you like.

I know the edge goes to PAC but I would apreciate if you just not use
PAC arguments to show that PAC would beat 60 milions Thais in one day.

[theunderdog]

Not fight, just you may compare their best achievemnts if you like.

I know the edge goes to PAC but I would apreciate if you just not use
PAC arguments to show that PAC would beat 60 milions Thais in one day.

look at the fighters then have defeated. if you can recognize 3 fighters that pong beat, be happy.

[knockout]

Right now filipinos take it in boxing. They are just more willing to travel anywhere to prove it. I do believe however that a lot of people are underestimating the Thais calling them nothing more than fighters protected by home cooking.

ALthough this has some factual basis, they are much more willing to travel than the other asian boxing powerhouses in Japan and Korea. I mean you all know of Wonjongkam's suspect travel record but you should look at how often Japanese and Korean fighters fight overseas.

All three have good boxing traditions but their lack of willingness to travel to gain exposure has really hurt them.Good point very true:good right now the filipinos are willing travel to the states while is good for boxing if the other asian countrys follow suite it will be even better.

[knockout]

Sup under :hi: :smoke

[Stinky gloves]

look at the fighters then have defeated. if you can recognize 3 fighters that pong beat, be happy.
I don't want to shorthen the discussion to PAC vs Pong,
it would be great if you could bring bigger picture.

Also the names of the fighters Pong beat are not recognizable
because they are not as famous as Morales/Barrera or Marquez.
Beside these 3 you probably will have trouble to recognize PAC competition as well.
There is much less big names in lower weight class than in th middle - 130 and up.

[theunderdog]

I don't want to shorthen the discussion to PAC vs Pong,
it would be great if you could bring bigger picture.

Also the names of the fighters Pong beat are not recognizable
because they are not as famous as Morales/Barrera or Marquez.
Beside these 3 you probably will have trouble to recognize PAC competition as well.
There is much less big names in lower weight class than in th middle - 130 and up.


ledwaba was a name fighter when pac beat him.

the philippines' advantage is that they have pac a fighter who'll be at the top5 p4p in almost everyone's rankings of course except boxrec. the thais have no one to rally around. filipino boxing should thank pac and his efforts. he single handedly gave life to the up and coming philippines vs mexico rivalry which gave chances to the other filipino fighters. you think gerry would have gotten a shot at de leon or gonzales if it wasn't for pac? hell no

but thailand has no one now. pong was their man but then he was defeated so at this point in time, the boxing world, IMO cares about the filipino boxers more than thais. i'm not in taking anything away from the thais, they are a great bunch. as we saw in last year's foty, they also have tremendous will. but they don't have enough matches on american tv and ppv. ask the casual boxing fans what they remember about thailand and boxing and they might say de leon ktfo of the thai dude in their rematch

[runnynose]

ledwaba was a name fighter when pac beat him.

Chatchai Sasakul is another. He was the world champion that Pacquiao dethroned to win his first world title.

[runnynose]

you think gerry would have gotten a shot at de leon or gonzales if it wasn't for pac? hell no



Gerry already had a name before Manny came into the picture. And, Manny, having turned his back on Golden Boy Promotions in favor of Top Rank, would even possibly have harmed Gerry's chances for a return to fame because GBP wouldn't take him seriously anymore.

[runnynose]

Thai champions I admire for their recorded achievements:
Pone Kingpetch, Venice Borkorsor, Chartchai Chionoi, Khaosai Galaxy, Medgoen Singsurat

My favorite Pinoy champs, including ones who weren't well publicized:
Gabriel "Flash" Elorde, Pedro Adique, Francisco Guilledo ("Pancho Villa"), Ben Villaflor, Ceferino Garcia, Frank Cedeno, Rolando Navarette, Luisito Espinosa, Nonito Donaire. Of course, Manny Pacquiao and Gerry Penalosa.

[runnynose]

Who also have bigger traditions in matrial arts, not clasical boxing only (e.g. Muay Thai, Thai boxing, FFA etc.)?
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I'm not sure, but muay thai came along only in the 20th century. The Philippines already had kuntaw, silat, and arnis de mano much earlier. Then there's Yaw-Yan (sayaw kamatayan), a more recently developed and very effective martial art.

[brooklyn1550]

The Philippines has the better fighters

[Jinx]

the Thais seem to be better athletes, but the Pinoys are better schooled and have the better fighters right now...

[theunderdog]

Gerry already had a name before Manny came into the picture. And, Manny, having turned his back on Golden Boy Promotions in favor of Top Rank, would even possibly have harmed Gerry's chances for a return to fame because GBP wouldn't take him seriously anymore.

no way man. if not for manny, gerry, boomboom, gorres, banal, mayol and jaca will still be fighting other asians in the states for peanuts.

and the 2nd part of your post doesn't make any sense because they DID give him the chance for a title and that mann'y problems with GBP DID NOT affect gerry's chances

[Stinky gloves]

Right now filipinos take it in boxing. They are just more willing to travel anywhere to prove it. I do believe however that a lot of people are underestimating the Thais calling them nothing more than fighters protected by home cooking.

ALthough this has some factual basis, they are much more willing to travel than the other asian boxing powerhouses in Japan and Korea. I mean you all know of Wonjongkam's suspect travel record but you should look at how often Japanese and Korean fighters fight overseas.

All three have good boxing traditions but their lack of willingness to travel to gain exposure has really hurt them.

The willingnesss to travel is not always the best.
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[1punch1nder]

if you haven't known yet Thai boxers are already exposed of bottomfeeding and padding their records. they match a thai boxer with a 56-4-0 winloss record to a filipino with 5-10-0 something. they illegally recruit fighters in the philippines and beat them for their amusement, they also use a plaster cast to have a more brutal ending.

we just had one death a few months ago.

[theunderdog]

yeah. many thai promoters are scumbags

[psychopath]

Gerry already had a name before Manny came into the picture. And, Manny, having turned his back on Golden Boy Promotions in favor of Top Rank, would even possibly have harmed Gerry's chances for a return to fame because GBP wouldn't take him seriously anymore.

GBP won't take Gerry Penaloza seriously ANYMORE? :think Is that a fact? Or just FUCK? :rofl

STUPID! Don't you realize that GBP just gave Jerry a shot at a title which he won? Now you're saying that GBP won't take Penaloza (a title holder) seriously anymore?

9 post? :roll: Whaaaaat? Don't you have the balls to post in your original handle that's why you're hiding in a new one? :D :lol:

[psychopath]

The willingnesss to travel is not always the best.
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Just tell us straight, what are you up to this time . . . stinky. :D

Thais are better than Fils in other or in all sports? What ever suites you kid . . . just shut the fuck up and stop agitating the Fils in this board.

This bullshit is getting old.

:yep :good :hi:

[jont]

The Thais have talent but their system of boxing and desire of the promoters to keep their fighters at home does lessent their fighters potential. Pacquiao has brought an American trainer in Roach to help other Pinoy boxers... If Thai boxers could somehow get their fighters to have exposure to other trainers it may help ... Their are good Thail fighters aout there just waiting to do well but they need a system that can fulfill their potential other POngs, Veraphols, Sasakuls are out there if given the opportunity...

[runnynose]

GBP won't take Gerry Penaloza seriously ANYMORE? :think Is that a fact? Or just FUCK? :rofl

STUPID! Don't you realize that GBP just gave Jerry a shot at a title which he won? Now you're saying that GBP won't take Penaloza (a title holder) seriously anymore?

9 post? :roll: Whaaaaat? Don't you have the balls to post in your original handle that's why you're hiding in a new one? :D :lol:

Note that I did not say GBP won't take Gerry Penalosa seriously anymore. You're creating your own confusion. I said GBP won't take Manny seriously anymore after becoming a turncoat in favor of Top Rank. But another poster has shown that I'm wrong. GBP in fact still honors Manny and even accepted him as captain or leader of Team Philippines.

I have only 9 posts, sorry. I had an old handle and password that I've totally forgotten.

[theunderdog]

Note that I did not say GBP won't take Gerry Penalosa seriously anymore. You're creating your own confusion. I said GBP won't take Manny seriously anymore after becoming a turncoat in favor of Top Rank. But another poster has shown that I'm wrong. GBP in fact still honors Manny and even accepted him as captain or leader of Team Philippines.

I have only 9 posts, sorry. I had an old handle and password that I've totally forgotten.

enter your email ad for your first account and they'll send you you password. haeepnd to me once before

[theunderdog]

Just tell us straight, what are you up to this time . . . stinky. :D

Thais are better than Fils in other or in all sports? What ever suites you kid . . . just shut the fuck up and stop agitating the Fils in this board.

This bullshit is getting old.

:yep :good :hi:

the dude has actually gone to the filipino boxing website just to get stuff to bash the filipinos here. damn. stinky's getting desperate..

where did you lose you vcash psychodude? or is the bet still pending?

[DobyZhee]

I think they are tied in the boxing deaths department. Boom Boom Mancini's victim and that other filipino guy who died this year after being smuggled into Thailand for some underground shady outfit.

[theHawtness]

Which country have better boxers and fighters: Thailand or Phillipines?
Who also have bigger traditions in matrial arts, not clasical boxing only (e.g. Muay Thai, Thai boxing, FFA etc.)?


you know muay thai is not really orginally thai. less credit was given to thai's neighboring countries e.g. cambodia. this is were injustice comes. muay thai was only developed during the 20th century. thailand's neighboring countries weren't able to advertise their martial art because of internal fighting, cvil war etc. because of this, no foreigner ever bothered to go to these countries and learn the martial art. they instead went ot thailand and there the thais went on to claim the sport as originally their own.:deal

also, thais can't beat flips. that's why they bring bums from the philippines to fight their elite fighters. remember lito sisnorio. worst record and still allowed to fight a former champion.

breaking news: during the world university games soccer game between thailand and mexico in bangkok, a brawl erupted. i smell a mexico vs thailand II. the winner becomes no. 1 contender for the next world cup.

[whatfruit]

Muay Thai has been around alot longer than the 20th century Muay Thai is a variant of Khmer Boxing which originates in cambodia from the Khmer civilisation who contorlled large amounts of Vietnam, laos, cambodia and parts of eastern Thailand between the 10th-13th centurey AD. Pictures of Khmer Boxers are found on the walls of the temples of Angkor.

Muay Thai as which is practiced now in Thailand is a watered down verison of the original sport and is one of the branches. The purest form of K.Boxing is Burmese Boxing or Lethwei which keeping with the orignal rules allows headbutts, Take downs and throws and is fought bare fisted instead of with gloves.

[Stinky gloves]

if you haven't known yet Thai boxers are already exposed of bottomfeeding and padding their records. they match a thai boxer with a 56-4-0 winloss record to a filipino with 5-10-0 something. they illegally recruit fighters in the philippines and beat them for their amusement, they also use a plaster cast to have a more brutal ending.

we just had one death a few months ago.

So why does the filipino agree to such fights. I know the money
is the main reson but if you know they fight dirty then why risk your life?

Is there some kind of local war going on between Thais and Pinoys?
For example Thai promorets recruiting Filipino just because of nationality
so their local champions can have additional icing on the cake?

[GalangK]

So why does the filipino agree to such fights. I know the money
is the main reson but if you know they fight dirty then why risk your life?

Is there some kind of local war going on between Thais and Pinoys?
For example Thai promorets recruiting Filipino just because of nationality
so their local champions can have additional icing on the cake?

You have to know that the filipino's willingness and their familiarity to travel makes them easy targets for local shady promoters. Korea, Japan, and Thailand have always picked up Filipinos to throw to their prospects since as far as I can remember watching the sport. A lot of our c level fighters struggling financially will ignore the risks just to make a small buck. Sometimes it pays off as in the case of Espinosa and Pacquiao who beat fighters they were not supposed to beat but in most cases it ends up being a mismatch.

If you want an example on how far we would go, just look at Iraq. A lot of Filipinos know the danger involved in working there but you can easily provide for your family if you work there for one year as opposed to working several back home.

[Luzon]

You have to know that the filipino's willingness and their familiarity to travel makes them easy targets for local shady promoters. Korea, Japan, and Thailand have always picked up Filipinos to throw to their prospects since as far as I can remember watching the sport. A lot of our c level fighters struggling financially will ignore the risks just to make a small buck. Sometimes it pays off as in the case of Espinosa and Pacquiao who beat fighters they were not supposed to beat but in most cases it ends up being a mismatch.

If you want an example on how far we would go, just look at Iraq. A lot of Filipinos know the danger involved in working there but you can easily provide for your family if you work there for one year as opposed to working several back home.
Long story short, when it comes to providing for loved ones, Pinoys are down for whatever. Pinoys are the nicest most generous people you can meet but mess with their family forget it.

[digiram]

You have to know that the filipino's willingness and their familiarity to travel makes them easy targets for local shady promoters. Korea, Japan, and Thailand have always picked up Filipinos to throw to their prospects since as far as I can remember watching the sport. A lot of our c level fighters struggling financially will ignore the risks just to make a small buck. Sometimes it pays off as in the case of Espinosa and Pacquiao who beat fighters they were not supposed to beat but in most cases it ends up being a mismatch.

If you want an example on how far we would go, just look at Iraq. A lot of Filipinos know the danger involved in working there but you can easily provide for your family if you work there for one year as opposed to working several back home.

I feel ya on this, and it's absolutely true. As a Thai/Laos person, I watch a lot of Thai news and boxing(muay thai included) over FTA sattelite, and Thai promoters are often criticized by the newscasters in regards to picking up the worst of the worst Philipino boxers to water down the records of thier prospects. It's a shame.

I'm not trying to say that Thai boxers don't deserve any credit, cuz there's been many boxers from there that have beaten very good contenders inside and outside of Thailand.

[Stinky gloves]

I feel ya on this, and it's absolutely true. As a Thai/Laos person, I watch a lot of Thai news and boxing(muay thai included) over FTA sattelite, and Thai promoters are often criticized by the newscasters in regards to picking up the worst of the worst Philipino boxers to water down the records of thier prospects. It's a shame.

I'm not trying to say that Thai boxers don't deserve any credit, cuz there's been many boxers from there that have beaten very good contenders inside and outside of Thailand.

Who is currenctly the best Thai boxer for you?

[Brickhaus]

Thais are pretty weak right now in boxing. I'd put them 3rd in east Asia, behind Philippines and Japan. Some central Asian countries might be in the mix ahead of the Thais too, but I'm too lazy to look at all those former Soviet republics.

[psychopath]

the dude has actually gone to the filipino boxing website just to get stuff to bash the filipinos here. damn. stinky's getting desperate..

where did you lose you vcash psychodude? or is the bet still pending?

I lost it to Morales losing and baseball bets. :D :patsch

[psychopath]

Note that I did not say GBP won't take Gerry Penalosa seriously anymore. You're creating your own confusion. I said GBP won't take Manny seriously anymore after becoming a turncoat in favor of Top Rank. But another poster has shown that I'm wrong. GBP in fact still honors Manny and even accepted him as captain or leader of Team Philippines.

I have only 9 posts, sorry. I had an old handle and password that I've totally forgotten.

You did not say that? Then what's this?

"would even possibly have harmed Gerry's chances for a return to fame because GBP wouldn't take him seriously anymore." :roll: :think

[Stinky gloves]

the last time I saw a thai fighter got KTFO by deloen, and the last flip fighter i saw also got ktfo by deleon.
kinda weird

De Leon - Thai and Pinoy killer?

[Stinky gloves]

:lol:
yea i guess de leon is the thai-flip robitussin, take it in round 1, and go take nice lil nap.

I think it is setting him up for a fight against PAC some day.

[Stinky gloves]

PAC would just take ponce's 10 straight lefts and just smile at him, then he would snap deleon's neck with his new 3dimensional right hook.

Probably you have right, De Leon must prove himself against Marquez first.

[theunderdog]

I think it is setting him up for a fight against PAC some day.

nah. he won't get past vasquez, marquez or caballero

better set him up for a fight against valero. both unothodox fighter who'd want to decapitate each other. fireworks

[Stinky gloves]

nah. he won't get past vasquez, marquez or caballero

better set him up for a fight against valero. both unothodox fighter who'd want to decapitate each other. fireworks

You right, he have no bussiness with PAC untill he beat at least two from the guys you mention.
However if he beat them then I think PAC will personaly knock to his door.

[theunderdog]

You right, he have no bussiness with PAC untill he beat at least two from the guys you mention.
However if he beat them then I think PAC will personaly knock to his door.

pac does not need a fight with de leon. he has mab, jmm, guzman, soto and valero in his to do list. junior lightweight has enough names to keep pac busy until he's retired.

[Stinky gloves]

If PAC fight once per year then sure, but I think Leon needs one or two years to go to the proper level.
PAC will not retire in the next two years yet.

[Marcus]

Thais. More weapons. Elbows and kness :good

[Stinky gloves]

Thais. More weapons. Elbows and kness :good

I'm not sure but I guess Filipinos are masters in using the weapons of all kind (FFA/FMA).

[Marcus]

Filipinos...more weapons...Knives and Sticks:good

They dont count :deal

[Stinky gloves]

Well thats our Martial Arts Kali and Escrima:D

I must say Muay Thai is awesome.

Here is Capoeira vs Muai Thai, nice fight

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[runnynose]

My earlier post that seems to confuse?

Gerry already had a name before Manny came into the picture. And Manny, having turned his back on Golden Boy Promotions in favor of Top Rank, would even possibly have harmed Gerry's chances for a return to fame because GBP wouldn't take him seriously anymore.

Psychopath, ah, the great little nuances of grammar/syntax/semantics. The last "him" refers to Manny, the subject, not Gerry, see? OK, to avoid ambiguity I should have just said "Manny" instead of "him."

But again, The Underdog is right, GBP did not let Manny's Top Rank connection affect his involvement as "captain" of the Philippine team.

This is all beside the point. Get over it. :thumbsup

[psychopath]

My earlier post that seems to confuse?



Psychopath, ah, the great little nuances of grammar/syntax/semantics. The last "him" refers to Manny, the subject, not Gerry, see? OK, to avoid ambiguity I should have just said "Manny" instead of "him."

But again, The Underdog is right, GBP did not let Manny's Top Rank connection affect his involvement as "captain" of the Philippine team.

This is all beside the point. Get over it. :thumbsup

You put Penaloza's name on the same sentence with that "him' and you're refferring to Pac?

Hey even if you're reffering to Manny on that "him" , that's still STUPID.:yep
GBP just made up with TOP RANK to make a Mega Money fight for Pac with MAB . . . how can you also say GBP won't take Manny Pac seriously?

:think Get it over what? That's a legit question.

[runnynose]

Yeah, it's a stupid remark. Forget the whole thing. It's good that both Top Rank and GBP saw the greater good and business advantage and not emphasize the contract dispute thing.

Now about the topic of this thread, personally I'm just happy that Pinoy boxers are finally getting due respect. And even government support -- there's now a bill for a pension and reward system for boxers. More encouragement for Pinoy boxers to excel. :happy

[psychopath]

Yeah, it's a stupid remark. Forget the whole thing. It's good that both Top Rank and GBP saw the greater good and business advantage and not emphasize the contract dispute thing.

Now about the topic of this thread, personally I'm just happy that Pinoy boxers are finally getting due respect. And even government support -- there's now a bill for a pension and reward system for boxers. More encouragement for Pinoy boxers to excel. :happy

No problem dude . . . it's all good! :hi: :good

[mad_takamura]

Here is Capoeira vs Muai Thai, nice fight

[Only registered and activated users can see links] wow! lateef crowder owns shit:good