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Xplosive
01-19-2009, 09:51 PM
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rekcutnevets
01-19-2009, 10:26 PM
Leonard outmatches McGirt in most every regard other than heart. I'm not questioning Ray's heart. McGirt just isn't outmatched there. McGirt was a real warrior, it just wouldn't be enough.

Leonard's hand speed is on par with Meldrick Taylor, and he is just too big for Buddy.

Leonard tko 7

CottoDaBodykill
01-19-2009, 10:53 PM
leonard had much more pop then taylor too .. so i could see him hitting him as much as taylor then throw in the power aspect..i see leonard just out hustleing him

Ted Stickles
01-19-2009, 10:59 PM
leonard by KO in 4 to 5

Russell
01-20-2009, 12:05 AM
Wow, some serious McGirt underrated going on here.

No one's seen his clinical dissection of Simon Brown?

Taylor stopped him with a minute to go in the 12th in what was one of if not Taylor's finest performance ever. And yet Leonard blasts him out in 4 or 5 rounds?

Leonard wins, but not THAT easily.

Xplosive
01-20-2009, 12:08 AM
Wow, some serious McGirt underrated going on here.

No one's seen his clinical dissection of Simon Brown?

Taylor stopped him with a minute to go in the 12th in what was one of if not Taylor's finest performance ever. And yet Leonard blasts him out in 4 or 5 rounds?

Leonard wins, but not THAT easily.

Brown was no Leonard. And Ray was a bigger, stronger, just about as fast, more powerful version of Taylor. I dont think McGirt lasts the distance. Ray puts him away inside of 10.

Russell
01-20-2009, 12:11 AM
I'm not saying he is, but Mcgirt was completely able to dominate B-Level fighters such as brown and give the A-Level ones a lot of trouble, like he did against Whitaker.

Xplosive
01-20-2009, 12:18 AM
I'm not saying he is, but Mcgirt was completely able to dominate B-Level fighters such as brown and give the A-Level ones a lot of trouble, like he did against Whitaker.

Leonard was far different from Sweet Pea. In terms of style, Leonard was more like Taylor than Whitaker, only a bigger puncher than Taylor. And Taylor beat up McGirt pretty one sidedly.

Ray's handspeed would cause big problems for McGirt. Buddy wouldnt be able to outbox Ray, and he DAMN SURE couldnt exchange with him.

As someone above said, Leonard is better than McGirt in every single aspect.

But McGirt was an excellent fighter.

JohnThomas1
01-20-2009, 02:54 AM
I'm not saying he is, but Mcgirt was completely able to dominate B-Level fighters such as brown and give the A-Level ones a lot of trouble, like he did against Whitaker.


No comparison whatsoever. Leonard was 20 pounds bigger, much harder hitting, more aggressive and a totally different proposition.

Bill Butcher
01-20-2009, 03:06 AM
Leonard by KO in 9.

Ray just has too much of everything for McGirt.
Watch Whitaker-McGirt II then add loads more power on Pea`s punches & that gives you a slight idea of what we are dealing with here.

laxpdx
01-20-2009, 04:23 AM
I can't see how Leonard can possibly lose this one. Ray by mid to late rounds KO.

mcvey
01-20-2009, 11:39 AM
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McGirt was as good as it gets without being an ATG imo,similar to Billy Graham in that regard.Leonard is an ATG,and beats Buddy in just about every department,but it would be competitive and a very good scrap imo SRL by dec.

ThinBlack
10-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Ray would beat Buddy either by 14th round stoppage, or UD in 15.

KOTF
10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
McGirt would get consistently beat to the punch, and get stopped late.

johnmaff36
10-17-2011, 06:36 PM
McGirt's good. Leonards better. Late stoppage for Ray

The Spider
10-18-2011, 04:35 AM
I can't see how Leonard can possibly lose this one. Ray by mid to late rounds KO.

You wrote it for me :deal

DonBoxer
10-18-2011, 05:16 AM
Leonard has everything needed top stop McGirt in the mid to late rounds. I would say around rnd8.

sweet_scientist
10-18-2011, 07:04 AM
Bad style match up for Buddy.

I'd say something around a 10th round TKO.

Had it not been for Ray's power it would have been a good contest.

TheGreatA
10-18-2011, 07:40 AM
Buddy takes a whipping and a TKO loss. He has nothing going for him here except his technical skill, and that would be overshadowed by Leonard's physical ability.

MagnaNasakki
10-18-2011, 07:52 AM
I agree with GreatA.

In terms of boxing skills, Buddy may actually have an edge, but Leonard was very, very adept at using what he possessed, and what that would amount to in this match up is a physical avalanche in Leonard's favor.

There is quite literally nothing McGirt's body does that is near on par with Leonard's. Sugar Ray hit much, much hard, moved much quicker, had better reflexes, and had almost preternatural physical conditioning.

One could argue Buddy would make it interesting by making it a chess match, but his mind wasn't fast enough to keep up with Meldrick Taylor, and he was soundly whipped. Add Leonard's size and big punch to the speed equation, and James has nowhere to run.

Leonard KO in 8 or less.

MAG1965
10-18-2011, 10:43 AM
McGirt was not a great fighter. He was overrated, and when he didn't perform well with good fighters he had the left rotator cuff excuse. Leonard outmatches him in everything. He stops McGirt in 8 rounds or so.

lora
10-18-2011, 12:55 PM
Would probably be quite similar to the kalule fight.

McGirt could take a punch okay, but he wouldn't be able to stand in there swapping combos etc with Leonard because of the disparity in physical ability.Most notably strength and stamina.

abraq
10-18-2011, 04:36 PM
Leonard just the better and bigger man. McGirt is really good. But still, against Ray he has little or no chance. Sorry.

Bill Butcher
10-18-2011, 06:29 PM
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Leonard would stop Mcgirt in about 9rds.

Look at the beating Whitaker gave Mcgirt in their 2nd fight & Ray was a stronger force than Pernell at WW, probably the best ever at the weight outside of his namesake Robinson.... the man TKO`d a prime Hearns ffs.

Bill Butcher
10-18-2011, 06:36 PM
I'm not saying he is, but Mcgirt was completely able to dominate B-Level fighters such as brown and give the A-Level ones a lot of trouble, like he did against Whitaker.

The 1st fight was pretty competitive but it was Pea`s 1st fight at the weight, the rematch seen Pea fill into the division a bit more & he dominated Mcgirt while STILL being the smaller man... Leonard would be the bigger man vs Mcgirt & is of Whitaker type quality WITH MUCH BETTER POWER.

Mcgirt would get dominated & stopped.