Judging Hatton

[dave]

Is Hatton being judged on his performance against Callazo a little to much. In that fight Hatton did not look good and won by a slim decision thanks to an early knock down.

But you have to give Hatton credit for standing until the end(would Mayweather have done that if he was in that kind of trouble??) maybe.

Hatton's trainer says that hatton was not fully prepared and he was against the fight but obligations to HBO made him go ahead with it...these are all excuses every fighter uses when they are not up to par. Hatton did fulfill his obligation and did not duck out of the fight.

Hatton has also fought in his last 5 fight's either against a world Champion or a former champ...that's got to be worth something.

Although I am a Hatton fan I will concede that Mayweather is a better boxer and has unequaled skills, but Hatton has integrity and character and lot's of determination which mayweather will find a difficult task to deal with once they get in the ring...i am not saying that Mayweather will not be able to deal with it...only that Hatton will not be the push over that some people think he will be against Mayweather...If they are basing it on the Callazo fight.

Also another curious observation is that before every fight including his wins over Kosta and his last fight lot's of threads stated that he was in over his head and would be beaten badly, then he wins and the threads say that he fought washed up fighters or fighters way past their prime.

I don't want to knock Mayweathers victories but ODLH was semi retired and Flyod also said himself that Gatti was a club fighter or C or B fighter when he fought him...Dan Rafael.

Mayweather is a great fighter and Hatton loves the big fights so i think it will be a great fight and one boxing fans will appreciate after the final bell.

[djb2009]

Fight of the Year -Hatton stops PBF in the 12th

[Sug3]

I have a feeling about the 10th round floyd's leg's will be gone and he will be in survival mode and hatton will catch floyd going back with that left hook to the head midway through the 10th or the 11th round.

[FlatNose]

I wish you guys were right, but predicting a Hatton victory is an exercise in wishful thinking.Yeah, Hatton has done this and that, but against Mayweather he'll be taken out of his game like everyone else.
Floyd will win a unanimous decision.

[David UK]

Also another curious observation is that before every fight including his wins over Kosta and his last fight lot's of threads stated that he was in over his head and would be beaten badly, then he wins and the threads say that he fought washed up fighters or fighters way past their prime.



This 'curious observation' is also known as 'posters on ESB who are not man enough to admit they were wrong'. They are the ultimate arseholes and they all know who they are!! :hi: Tossers!!

[Michel]

Is Hatton being judged on his performance against Callazo a little to much. In that fight Hatton did not look good and won by a slim decision thanks to an early knock down.

But you have to give Hatton credit for standing until the end(would Mayweather have done that if he was in that kind of trouble??) maybe.

Hatton's trainer says that hatton was not fully prepared and he was against the fight but obligations to HBO made him go ahead with it...these are all excuses every fighter uses when they are not up to par. Hatton did fulfill his obligation and did not duck out of the fight.

Hatton has also fought in his last 5 fight's either against a world Champion or a former champ...that's got to be worth something.

Although I am a Hatton fan I will concede that Mayweather is a better boxer and has unequaled skills, but Hatton has integrity and character and lot's of determination which mayweather will find a difficult task to deal with once they get in the ring...i am not saying that Mayweather will not be able to deal with it...only that Hatton will not be the push over that some people think he will be against Mayweather...If they are basing it on the Callazo fight.

Also another curious observation is that before every fight including his wins over Kosta and his last fight lot's of threads stated that he was in over his head and would be beaten badly, then he wins and the threads say that he fought washed up fighters or fighters way past their prime.

I don't want to knock Mayweathers victories but ODLH was semi retired and Flyod also said himself that Gatti was a club fighter or C or B fighter when he fought him...Dan Rafael.

Mayweather is a great fighter and Hatton loves the big fights so i think it will be a great fight and one boxing fans will appreciate after the final bell.

Good post. Hatton is defenetly being underestimated prior to this fight. I belive Maywheater has the best chance of winning, but I also belive he is taking the fight too lightly. Hatton might be his toughest opponent so far and also has a good chance of winning, especially if he is being underestimated.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Good post. Hatton is defenetly being underestimated prior to this fight. I belive Maywheater has the best chance of winning, but I also belive he is taking the fight too lightly. Hatton might be his toughest opponent so far and also has a good chance of winning, especially if he is being underestimated.

I have seen the comment on a few websites Brits saying PBF is taking Hatton lightly. PBF and his Uncle Roger Mayweather, Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon might be many things but 1 thing they are perfect professionals. Why would PBF take Hatton lightly or underestimate him when he does not take any opponent lightly always coming in excellent shape. Is this wishful thinking of Hatton fans hoping against the odds that Hatton can pull it off. I like Hatton I think he is a great lad and a genuinely nice guy but in my opinion (as someone who has watched a lot of his fights and at ringside for his greatest victory against Tyzu) he is in over his head in this contest against PBF. PBF has beaten a lot of pressure fighters/Mexican and Mexican style fighters. Uncle Roger Mayweather alias "the Black Mamba" was also known as the Roger "the Mexican Killer". I think Team Mayweather see a lot to exploit in the "Manchester Mexican/Hitman" Hatton and in my view this will be a comprehensive win for PBF. Hatton is good but from a fighting perspective it bad matchmaking for him but obviously great for his wallet.

[kirk]

what people dont understand when judging that fight is...

almost NOBODY in the boxing landscape is going to give hatton the same problems that collazo did 147lbs and under besides maybe margarito and williams of course. margarito because of his size, and williams cuz of everything.


Collazo is big. Collazo is a southpaw.

Collazo was able to withstand a lot of what hatton did because of his size, and adding his boxing skills ALONG with his southpaw stance he was able to cause hatton some trouble. Contrary to belief... collazo punches nicely, and of course he puts his punches together nicely.


Yes mayweather is a better boxer. but imo, hes not as big nor has the southpaw stance to trouble hatton eather.

Hatton should be the underdog of course, but people discredit him too much imo for the collazo fight... which... he won.

[Smazz20]

Just out of curiosity. Does anyone think Mayweather might fight from a southpaw stance when he fights Hatton?

[kirk]

Just out of curiosity. Does anyone think Mayweather might fight from a southpaw stance when he fights Hatton?

doubt it. hes too cocky to think that he has to change anything probably.

[dave]

I have seen the comment on a few websites Brits saying PBF is taking Hatton lightly. PBF and his Uncle Roger Mayweather, Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon might be many things but 1 thing they are perfect professionals. Why would PBF take Hatton lightly or underestimate him when he does not take any opponent lightly always coming in excellent shape. Is this wishful thinking of Hatton fans hoping against the odds that Hatton can pull it off. I like Hatton I think he is a great lad and a genuinely nice guy but in my opinion (as someone who has watched a lot of his fights and at ringside for his greatest victory against Tyzu) he is in over his head in this contest against PBF. PBF has beaten a lot of pressure fighters/Mexican and Mexican style fighters. Uncle Roger Mayweather alias "the Black Mamba" was also known as the Roger "the Mexican Killer". I think Team Mayweather see a lot to exploit in the "Manchester Mexican/Hitman" Hatton and in my view this will be a comprehensive win for PBF. Hatton is good but from a fighting perspective it bad matchmaking for him but obviously great for his wallet.I agree and disagree with what you are stating, I believe that PBF and his trainers will be ready and fit for this fight and that he has handled pressure fighters before but I also believe that he will get into some trouble in this fight and that hatton's team have studied this and will try to exploit it to the max, and I also believe that PBF may panic if this happens, Hatton does impose his will on his opponent when he is on his game.

So here is a question to think about if PBF get's in serious trouble does he have enough in his mental makeup to deal with it? We all know he has the skills. Also we know Hatton has had to deal with that kind situation before.

[Smazz20]

doubt it. hes too cocky to think that he has to change anything probably.

I was thinking that myself. I mean, if he started the fight off as a southpaw, everyone is gonna know staright away that he was somehow, afraid of fighting Hatton.

But, if after 7, 8 or even 9 rounds have gone and the fight is pretty much level, I could imagine him switching to southpaw just to snatch the win.

[Michel]

I have seen the comment on a few websites Brits saying PBF is taking Hatton lightly. PBF and his Uncle Roger Mayweather, Leonard Ellerbe and Al Haymon might be many things but 1 thing they are perfect professionals. Why would PBF take Hatton lightly or underestimate him when he does not take any opponent lightly always coming in excellent shape. Is this wishful thinking of Hatton fans hoping against the odds that Hatton can pull it off. I like Hatton I think he is a great lad and a genuinely nice guy but in my opinion (as someone who has watched a lot of his fights and at ringside for his greatest victory against Tyzu) he is in over his head in this contest against PBF. PBF has beaten a lot of pressure fighters/Mexican and Mexican style fighters. Uncle Roger Mayweather alias "the Black Mamba" was also known as the Roger "the Mexican Killer". I think Team Mayweather see a lot to exploit in the "Manchester Mexican/Hitman" Hatton and in my view this will be a comprehensive win for PBF. Hatton is good but from a fighting perspective it bad matchmaking for him but obviously great for his wallet.

I have no doubt that Maywheater will be in physicall shape, but I don't think he will be mentaly prepared for a fighter like Hatton. Maywheater is always in great shape but he is way too self confident. A great fighter should fight and prepare like he is the underdog.

[LukeO]

you guys are all ridiculous for even considering mayweather as anything but a very serious professional. he will go about his business of training properly, executing his gameplan, and beating ricky hatton convincingly. Hatton might land some body shots, but nothing mayweather hasn't felt before and from stronger boxers. Just be objective and realistic. Hatton isn't jose luis castillo from 2002, he isn't even jesus chavez, who mayweather also destroyed.

[Thom]

doubt it. hes too cocky to think that he has to change anything probably.

When has Mayweather's ego ever gotten in the way of a solid gameplan. :huh

[kirk]

When has Mayweather's ego ever gotten in the way of a solid gameplan. :huh thats because he has basically the same gameplan every fight... hes not going to change it now for hatton.

[Pimp C]

When has Mayweather's ego ever gotten in the way of a solid gameplan. :huh
Exactly! These guys are grasping at straws. PBF is always prepared in shape and never takes any opponent lightly. PBF by wide UD or late round TKO.:deal

[Pimp C]

thats because he has basically the same gameplan every fight... hes not going to change it now for hatton.
Same gameplan every night? How many PBF fights have you seen? PBF is a ring general and can fight in many different ways. PBF can beat Hatton in more ways. Hatton is the more one-dimensional fighter here not the other way around.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I agree and disagree with what you are stating, I believe that PBF and his trainers will be ready and fit for this fight and that he has handled pressure fighters before but I also believe that he will get into some trouble in this fight and that hatton's team have studied this and will try to exploit it to the max, and I also believe that PBF may panic if this happens, Hatton does impose his will on his opponent when he is on his game.

So here is a question to think about if PBF get's in serious trouble does he have enough in his mental makeup to deal with it? We all know he has the skills. Also we know Hatton has had to deal with that kind situation before.

From what I have seen PBF along with Bernard Hopkins to a lesser extent has the best mental game today. I think PBF has clearly got under Hatton's skin and will continue to do so by calling him Fat with beer belly etc. That might be unkind of PBF but then Hatton out of ring habits give PBF the ammunition. I don't see PBF panicking because he has not in all the fights he has had and when necessary finds the right step to take. You can talk about all of PBF skills and attributes but something people forget other than his mental game is his excellent timing and understanding of another fighters rhythmn. Immediately he clocks Hatton's rhythmn I think this fight will be over from a competitive standpoint. Another issue in this match up is that Hatton has never fought anyone remotely like PBF whereas PBF has fought many people similarto Hatton in style and better fighters all round.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I have no doubt that Maywheater will be in physicall shape, but I don't think he will be mentaly prepared for a fighter like Hatton. Maywheater is always in great shape but he is way too self confident. A great fighter should fight and prepare like he is the underdog.

You might not like PBF as a person or his persona but he is admirable as a fighter not just in terms of skills but preparation and work ethic. You cannot fault his preparation which is not something that can always be said of Hatton. Mentally PBF will never accept that he is an underdog but will and does always prepare supremely, he would say as the best and as a champion. Before the ODLH fight his trainers refused to say PBF was in the best shape ever because he is always in the shape of his life come fight time and keeps himself in shape out of the ring. He is not the type that goes to training camp to get fit as he is already fit, he goes into camp to prepare to fight.

[ChampionsForever]

you guys are all ridiculous for even considering mayweather as anything but a very serious professional. he will go about his business of training properly, executing his gameplan, and beating ricky hatton convincingly. Hatton might land some body shots, but nothing mayweather hasn't felt before and from stronger boxers. Just be objective and realistic. Hatton isn't jose luis castillo from 2002, he isn't even jesus chavez, who mayweather also destroyed.

You think Hatton isn't on the same level as the guy he destroyed in 4 rounds 2 months ago :huh:huh, its weird that because I don't think PBF isnt Baldomir of 2005 :good.


































Prick.

[EL BULLY]

You might not like PBF as a person or his persona but he is admirable as a fighter not just in terms of skills but preparation and work ethic. You cannot fault his preparation which is not something that can always be said of Hatton. Mentally PBF will never accept that he is an underdog but will and does always prepare supremely, he would say as the best and as a champion. Before the ODLH fight his trainers refused to say PBF was in the best shape ever because he is always in the shape of his life come fight time and keeps himself in shape out of the ring. He is not the type that goes to training camp to get fit as he is already fit, he goes into camp to prepare to fight.

What utter bullshit. When Ricky is in training he train sharder than anyone. Always makes weight, always comes in terrific shape. OK he balloons up in between fights but that is a different issue to once the preperation for a fight begins.

Sometimes I think you guys don't have you're own opinions it is like you all simplify the common beliefs that are propogated in the media without questioning the facts:

The typical ESB posters mind works thus:

PBF is P4P no 1 (because everyone else says so)
Hatton is Fat (because I saw a picture of him in between fights)
Therefore PBF wins by brutal knockout (Because PBF is American)

[BigReg]

thats because he has basically the same gameplan every fight... hes not going to change it now for hatton.

You have no idea what you're talking about. No good fighter has the same gameplan for every fight. Please watch the Judah fight and the De La Hoya fight, and then tell me had the same gameplan for both fights.

[kirk]

Same gameplan every night? How many PBF fights have you seen? PBF is a ring general and can fight in many different ways. PBF can beat Hatton in more ways. Hatton is the more one-dimensional fighter here not the other way around.


castillo
ndou
bruseless
sosa
gatti
hoya
baldomir
sharmba
judah
corley
corrales

are the ones ive seen off the top of my head... and yes, like i said, he has basically the same game plan and strategy every time, he basically fights two way, in close in the pocket using his shoulder roll, or potshotting using his legs and movement from the outside.

the question WAS... do you think he will switch to southpaw stance to trouble hatton.

my answer was no. if it aint broke, dont fix it, and i think mayweather doesnt think he NEEDS to change anything to beat hatton... hence... he wont be fighting southpaw.


nobody is clutching at straws.

[kirk]

You have no idea what you're talking about. No good fighter has the same gameplan for every fight. Please watch the Judah fight and the De La Hoya fight, and then tell me had the same gameplan for both fights. of course he didnt have the same game plan for hoya... nor baldomir. i said BASICALLY, he fights with the same style and gameplan. In most of his fights, hes fighting exactly the same way...

your trying to tell me that outside of the baldomir and hoya fights, that the mayweather that showed up for ndou, sosa, gatti, bruseless, ect, ect all had differant looks?

hes going to fight the way he always fights against hatton. Hes going to use the ring, box, tuck and use his shoulder roll when in close and off the ropes, ect, ect.

i guess i should have said style... not gameplan.

[BigReg]

castillo
ndou
bruseless
sosa
gatti
hoya
baldomir
sharmba
judah
corley
corrales

are the ones ive seen off the top of my head... and yes, like i said, he has basically the same game plan and strategy every time, he basically fights two way, in close in the pocket using his shoulder roll, or potshotting using his legs and movement from the outside.

the question WAS... do you think he will switch to southpaw stance to trouble hatton.

my answer was no. if it aint broke, dont fix it, and i think mayweather doesnt think he NEEDS to change anything to beat hatton... hence... he wont be fighting southpaw.


nobody is clutching at straws.

Not quite correct. I've seen him come foward using the full guard, I've also seen him stand in front of guys and unleash quick combos while using his forearm to deflect returning blows. He's also switched to southpaw on occasion during his fights.

[Pimp C]

Not quite correct. I've seen him come foward using the full guard, I've also seen him stand in front of guys and unleash quick combos while using his forearm to deflect returning blows. He's also switched to southpaw on occasion during his fights.
Exactly! He switched to southpaw a few times in the Corley fight and in others to. If PBF feels the need he will do it against hatton as well.

[Pimp C]

castillo
ndou
bruseless
sosa
gatti
hoya
baldomir
sharmba
judah
corley
corrales

are the ones ive seen off the top of my head... and yes, like i said, he has basically the same game plan and strategy every time, he basically fights two way, in close in the pocket using his shoulder roll, or potshotting using his legs and movement from the outside.

the question WAS... do you think he will switch to southpaw stance to trouble hatton.

my answer was no. if it aint broke, dont fix it, and i think mayweather doesnt think he NEEDS to change anything to beat hatton... hence... he wont be fighting southpaw.


nobody is clutching at straws.
He probably won't have to but he can if he needs to.

[Sug3]

Hatton could give floyd as much trouble as burton did,they might not have the same styles,but they both are awkard as he** and they throw u off your gameplan and make u fight.

Whoever get's tired or slow's down late in the fight will lose and i will be watching very close to see who break's down mentally and physically,i got my money on hatton,because i never seen floyd keep up a fast pace with a high punchrate,especially against a beast like hatton.

The reason oscar won rounds is because he kept a higher workrate then floyd,i can imagine hatton throwing twice as many punches as oscar,but the difference is,hatton can do it all night long and i think floyd will realize that late in the fight.

[Pimp C]

Hatton could give floyd as much trouble as burton did,they might not have the same styles,but they both are awkard as he** and they throw u off your gameplan and make u fight.

Whoever get's tired or slow's down late in the fight will lose and i will be watching very close to see who break's down mentally and physically,i got my money on hatton,because i never seen floyd keep up a fast pace with a high punchrate,especially against a beast like hatton.

The reason oscar won rounds is because he kept a higher workrate then floyd,i can imagine hatton throwing twice as many punches as oscar,but the difference is,hatton can do it all night long and i think floyd will realize that late in the fight.
I have a question for you, who won the Augustus fight?:yep
Did you not see the Chavez, Castillo fights? PBF can handle pressure and doesn't get tired. If anyone gets tired it will be Hatton the way he was gassed at the end of the Collazo fight is an example of that, there he faced a slick boxer with good movement. PBF is similar but 10X better than Collazo.
You keep talking about pressure this and pressure that. A fighter with only one gameplan like Hatton will not beat a boxer as well rounded as PBF period. You also fail to mention that Oscar is way bigger than PBF and he also has a jab two things that Oscar has that Hatton doesn't. Hatton is the one here that will face more problems. PBF has the clear advantages where they matter most Reach, speed, counter-punching, defense, footwork, ring genralship you name it. Like I said earlier Hatton supporters are grasping at straws here. Anyone that knows how to breakdown a fight sees PBF the winner.

[Danny Ocean]

mayweather has been known to spar 20minute rounds with super-middles so he wont tire

hatton gassed vs urango an collazo

[rodney]

Mayweather may "talk the talk",
but, what he does best is "walk the walk."

Floyd fitness is unmatchable.
If anyone runs out of gas it will be Fat Boy.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

What utter bullshit. When Ricky is in training he train sharder than anyone. Always makes weight, always comes in terrific shape. OK he balloons up in between fights but that is a different issue to once the preperation for a fight begins.

Sometimes I think you guys don't have you're own opinions it is like you all simplify the common beliefs that are propogated in the media without questioning the facts:

The typical ESB posters mind works thus:

PBF is P4P no 1 (because everyone else says so)
Hatton is Fat (because I saw a picture of him in between fights)
Therefore PBF wins by brutal knockout (Because PBF is American)

You seem very defensive about Hatton. I have my own opinions which I have stated that in this matchup Hattton is made to order for PBF. That is not to say Hatton is not a good fighter as he is. There is a difference between being good and exceptional. This is nothing to do with nationality, media etc it is to do with skills, abilities, intangibles, styles etc.