Trevor Berbick vs Ron Lyle

[Titan1]

Would Berbick's awkward style be enough to overcome Lyle power and strength?

[Sweet Science]

Lyle would knock the shit out of Berbick. IMO He would'nt even get the chance to do that drunken waltz he did against Tyson. Awkward style or not he'd be unconscious.

[mr. magoo]

Both of these men had a fair share of on and off nights. Each guy had a decent list of wins against respectable opponents, as well as some losses to fighters who renged anywhere from average to elite. Lyle was a good hitter, but not the power puncher that people make him out to be. A lot of his knckout's came from good counterpunching and nailing his opposition multiple times at the right moments. A skilled fighter but, definately not a knockout artist. Berbick had a nice combination of above average power to decent boxing ability. Although the Snipes and St. Gordon bouts were less than flattering performances, Trevor had some great nights against Thomas, Tate, Page, Bey, Green, Racette and Holmes. Lyle of course, proved his worth against Shavers, Ellis, Bonavena and even in his losing efforts to Foreman. If I were to pick these guys in their prime, I would probably choose a 1975 Lyle who fought Foreman vs a 1982 Berbick who beat page and had recently gone 15 with Holmes. My prediction would be a very close decision going to Trevor Berbick, although most would pick Lyle.

[FlatNose]

Berbick would awkwardly crash to the canvas, out cold.

[mr. magoo]

The concensus here seems to be, that Lyle would KO Berbick with ease.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Trevor Berbick was only Ko'd twice in 62 pro fights. One time coming in only his 11th pro bout against a seasoned contender, and the other against a prime Mike Tyson. Outside of that, Trevor was a rather durable fighter who fought, beat, and or went the distance with a lot of class contenders/champions. While Lyle certainly had a punch, most of his best wins came via decision, or TKO. I can't predict Lyle by knockout in this one, and in fact have already stated that I'd go with Berbick to eek this one out.

[Holmes' Jab]

Lyle has got to be favour here. He'd probably take Berbick out by the late rounds, or take the decision. :yep

[SteveO]

I'd pick Lyle in this one, although I think it'd be a tough fight. People sell Berbick short for his tap-dancing routine against Tyson.

[Minotauro]

I think Lyle would knock Berbick out hit to hard and was to physically strong.

[mcvey]

Would Berbick's awkward style be enough to overcome Lyle power and strength?
Lyle wasnt quite the monster he's made out to be, he had good power but, not awesome,Berbick was a strong guy himself,while not a hitter,and he had a very good chin.
I think he is in with a good chance of upsetting Lyle,on his good nights,[he was inconsistant] Berbick would give anyone trouble,imo.

[ChrisPontius]

Lyle wasnt quite the monster he,s made out to be he had good power but not awesome,Berbick was a strong guy himself,while not a hitter,and he had a very good chin,I think he is in with a good chance od upsetting Lyle,on his good nights,[he was inconsistant] Berbick would give anyone trouble,imo.

Right on. Berbick is being sold short a bit here i think. He was the first one to beat Pinklon Thomas, who was on a long winning streak against many of the 80's top contenders. He was also very durable. In hindsight, it was a bit naive of him to think he could outslug Tyson, though.


This fight would go to a decision, i think.

[TBooze]

Berbick would awkwardly crash to the canvas, out cold.

:nono Misquoting to Jerry Quarry; I don't know;)

Actually I go against the grain here, Berbick on top form wins a close decision...6 rounds to 4 maybe.

[red cobra]

One of the hardest punches I've ever seen was the final right hand Ron Lyle landed on the side of Earnie Shaver's head. When that man was in his prime, he was one mean ------!! I don't care how Berbick would fight him, he would get his lights put out. Lyle was a dangerous man.

[mcvey]

One of the hardest punches I've ever seen was the final right hand Ron Lyle landed on the side of Earnie Shaver's head. When that man was in his prime, he was one mean ------!! I don't care how Berbick would fight him, he would get his lights put out. Lyle was a dangerous man.
Lyle,was taken the distance by most of the top rankers he fought,including,Quarry,Peralta twice,Bonavena,Ellis,Young twice,and Bugner
.He wasnt the devastating killer people paint him,imo
.Berbick was as durable as those mentioned,he was only kod by Mercado ,a big puncher,early in his career,and Tyson when he went out to slug with him.

[Muchmoore]

The concensus here seems to be, that Lyle would KO Berbick with ease.
I think a lot of people are forgetting that Trevor Berbick was only Ko'd twice in 62 pro fights. One time coming in only his 11th pro bout against a seasoned contender, and the other against a prime Mike Tyson. Outside of that, Trevor was a rather durable fighter who fought, beat, and or went the distance with a lot of class contenders/champions. While Lyle certainly had a punch, most of his best wins came via decision, or TKO. I can't predict Lyle by knockout in this one, and in fact have already stated that I'd go with Berbick to eek this one out.

Exactly. People just see the Tyson fight and say he has a glass jaw, Berbick was a durable fighter.

Your other point is right too, Lyle wasn't a dynamite one punch KO fighter like people think.

[JohnThomas1]

Right on. Berbick is being sold short a bit here i think. He was the first one to beat Pinklon Thomas, who was on a long winning streak against many of the 80's top contenders. He was also very durable. In hindsight, it was a bit naive of him to think he could outslug Tyson, though.


This fight would go to a decision, i think.

Yes, i can't believe the esteem Lyle is held in here. He's really not that good of a fighter. I think people rate him on his excellent losing effort to Foreman. Great fight, but i'm really not convinced that's exactly a Foreman Exhibit A given he was coming off the immediate loss to Ali which IMO hit him hard on multiple fronts. Apart from the freak loss to Mercado Berbick had a fine jaw and had no probs dealing with Holmes class and pressure over 15, where most succumbed. Berbick also took some whopper shots from Tyson before wilting and i see him as an excellent chance of taking the decision here.

[combatesdeboxeo]

ron lyle by ko and i have no type of doubt in my mind

[combatesdeboxeo]

Lyle would knock the shit out of Berbick. IMO He would'nt even get the chance to do that drunken waltz he did against Tyson. Awkward style or not he'd be unconscious.
i agree

[he grant]

Very bad match up for Trevor ...

[red cobra]

I'll echo my previous post from '07 and say that Lyle would have given Berbick a concussion.

[Kalasinn]

Berbick via close decision.

His quality victories over Page, Tate & Thomas show his caliber.

[red cobra]

Lyle would have broken something in Berbick's head with a big right hand.

[MagnaNasakki]

I feel Lyle actually has a style advantage here. Trevor would present a bit to easy a target, and get hit quite often. And when Lyle could whack you repeatedly, he could accumulate damage.

Lyle late TKO or clear, rather wide, UD.

[Boxed Ears]

Both of these men had a fair share of on and off nights. Each guy had a decent list of wins against respectable opponents, as well as some losses to fighters who renged anywhere from average to elite. Lyle was a good hitter, but not the power puncher that people make him out to be. A lot of his knckout's came from good counterpunching and nailing his opposition multiple times at the right moments. A skilled fighter but, definately not a knockout artist. Berbick had a nice combination of above average power to decent boxing ability. Although the Snipes and St. Gordon bouts were less than flattering performances, Trevor had some great nights against Thomas, Tate, Page, Bey, Green, Racette and Holmes. Lyle of course, proved his worth against Shavers, Ellis, Bonavena and even in his losing efforts to Foreman. If I were to pick these guys in their prime, I would probably choose a 1975 Lyle who fought Foreman vs a 1982 Berbick who beat page and had recently gone 15 with Holmes. My prediction would be a very close decision going to Trevor Berbick, although most would pick Lyle.

You can certainly say that again. This reminds me of the McCall VS Rahman thread in that way.

[Flemo83]

Both of these men had a fair share of on and off nights. Each guy had a decent list of wins against respectable opponents, as well as some losses to fighters who renged anywhere from average to elite. Lyle was a good hitter, but not the power puncher that people make him out to be. A lot of his knckout's came from good counterpunching and nailing his opposition multiple times at the right moments. A skilled fighter but, definately not a knockout artist. Berbick had a nice combination of above average power to decent boxing ability. Although the Snipes and St. Gordon bouts were less than flattering performances, Trevor had some great nights against Thomas, Tate, Page, Bey, Green, Racette and Holmes. Lyle of course, proved his worth against Shavers, Ellis, Bonavena and even in his losing efforts to Foreman. If I were to pick these guys in their prime, I would probably choose a 1975 Lyle who fought Foreman vs a 1982 Berbick who beat page and had recently gone 15 with Holmes. My prediction would be a very close decision going to Trevor Berbick, although most would pick Lyle.
Good post:goodThink it could go either way

[tommygun711]

Lyle would knock the shit out of Berbick. IMO He would'nt even get the chance to do that drunken waltz he did against Tyson. Awkward style or not he'd be unconscious.

are you forgetting that Tyson was a much harder puncher then Lyle and faster... So yes Berbick would get a chance to do his drunken waltz... Lyle wasn't really a KO puncher like Tyson was

[combatesdeboxeo]

are you forgetting that Tyson was a much harder puncher then Lyle and faster... So yes Berbick would get a chance to do his drunken waltz... Lyle wasn't really a KO puncher like Tyson was
tyson was not MUCH harder puncher than lyle, tyson was harder puncher simply. lyle was a very muscular 220 pounder as strong as tyson if not stronger, i might argue that lyle had more strength than tyson.lyle was a boxer-puncher bigger and he had longer reach than tyson. with more heart

[tommygun711]

tyson was not MUCH harder puncher than lyle, tyson was harder puncher simply. lyle was a very muscular 220 pounder as strong as tyson if not stronger, i might argue that lyle had more strength than tyson.lyle was a boxer-puncher bigger and he had longer reach than tyson. with more heart

Well Tyson has better KOs over better opposition then Lyle. lyle's best knockdown was over George foreman, when George was depressed and definitely past his best. And even then, he couldn't finish him off, where as Tyson certainly would have.
You can definitely say Lyle is stronger then Tyson, I don't really know, but Tyson still hits harder then Lyle. And berbick was only really stopped twice by Tyson and mercado.

I don't see Lyle doing it as he didnt really stop anyone of high note, except Earnie Shavers who wasn't a very durable guy himself. I have Lyle-Ledoux on film, Lyle couldn't stop Ledoux, and even got floored by him. I think Berbick is at least better then ledoux.

[TheGreatA]

Berbick could spoil the night of a better boxer with his awkwardness but Lyle liked nothing more than an opponent walking right at him, as Berbick would do.

[TheGreatA]

Well Tyson has better KOs over better opposition then Lyle. lyle's best knockdown was over George foreman, when George was depressed and definitely past his best. And even then, he couldn't finish him off, where as Tyson certainly would have.
You can definitely say Lyle is stronger then Tyson, I don't really know, but Tyson still hits harder then Lyle. And berbick was only really stopped twice by Tyson and mercado.

I don't see Lyle doing it as he didnt really stop anyone of high note, except Earnie Shavers who wasn't a very durable guy himself. I have Lyle-Ledoux on film, Lyle couldn't stop Ledoux, and even got floored by him. I think Berbick is at least better then ledoux.



Lyle was shot against LeDoux though. In his next fight he was stopped by a can in 2 rounds.

[turpinr]

Berbick could spoil the night of a better boxer with his awkwardness but Lyle liked nothing more than an opponent walking right at him, as Berbick would do.if berbick tried trading punches with lyle then he'd have to get somebody to pick his head up from the back of the hall.even big george resorted to using the jab to set lyle up for the ko.

[tommygun711]

Lyle was shot against LeDoux though. In his next fight he was stopped by a can in 2 rounds.

That's true. But power is the last thing to go. He should've been able to stop Ledoux if he was such a good puncher. Espescially since the whole fight was fought in a pocket.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Well Tyson has better KOs over better opposition then Lyle. lyle's best knockdown was over George foreman, when George was depressed and definitely past his best. And even then, he couldn't finish him off, where as Tyson certainly would have.
You can definitely say Lyle is stronger then Tyson, I don't really know, but Tyson still hits harder then Lyle. And berbick was only really stopped twice by Tyson and mercado.

I don't see Lyle doing it as he didnt really stop anyone of high note, except Earnie Shavers who wasn't a very durable guy himself. I have Lyle-Ledoux on film, Lyle couldn't stop Ledoux, and even got floored by him. I think Berbick is at least better then ledoux.

ron lyle did his pro debut in his 30s, and still his %ko is good.43(31ko) lyle faced foreman,shavers,ali, quarry,bonavena,peralta,bugner,jimmy ellis,buster mathis.. tyson would have worse %ko in the era of lyle.

lyle was stronger than tyson,taller, with longer reach, he could take a great shot and he had more heart. tyson was not MUCH harder puncher

[tommygun711]

ron lyle did his pro debut in his 30s, and still his %ko is good.43(31ko) lyle faced foreman,shavers,ali, quarry,bonavena,peralta,bugner,jimmy ellis,buster mathis.. tyson would have worse %ko in the era of lyle.

lyle was stronger than tyson,taller, with longer reach, he could take a great shot and he had more heart. tyson was not MUCH harder puncher

Ellis, Mathis, and Bonavena were likely past their best. And he didn't even stop them.
Lyle never really KO'd anyone durable. Tyson stopped Thomas, Berbick, Holmes, and Rudduck. All durable, tough guys.

Tyson would still be able to stop a lot of the guys from the 70s. Not that KO % really matters. The point is that Tyson hits harder. Lyle would NOT KO Berbick in the same fashion that Tyson did.

I still question is Lyle was stronger, I mean they were pretty much the same weight, except Lyle was taller.
Tyson could take a good shot too and had plenty of heart. If he didn't have heart he wouldn't have took that beatdown from Lewis or Douglas.

[combatesdeboxeo]

if berbick tried trading punches with lyle then he'd have to get somebody to pick his head up from the back of the hall..:lol::lol:

[Kalasinn]

Ellis, Mathis, and Bonavena were likely past their best. And he didn't even stop them.
Lyle never really KO'd anyone durable. Tyson stopped Thomas, Berbick, Holmes, and Rudduck. All durable, tough guys.

Tyson would still be able to stop a lot of the guys from the 70s. Not that KO % really matters. The point is that Tyson hits harder. Lyle would NOT KO Berbick in the same fashion that Tyson did.

I still question is Lyle was stronger, I mean they were pretty much the same weight, except Lyle was taller.
Tyson could take a good shot too and had plenty of heart. If he didn't have heart he wouldn't have took that beatdown from Lewis or Douglas.

Also Tyson showed heart in the first fight with Holyfield, he was exhausted after a sloppy attempt to finish Holy in round 5, & rose from a brutal uppercut to the solar plexus in the 6th.
During rounds 6 through to 11 he was merely a gassed Heavybag, taking a battering.

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[tommygun711]

Also Tyson showed heart in the first fight with Holyfield, he was exhausted after a sloppy attempt to finish Holy in round 5, & rose from a brutal uppercut to the solar plexus in the 6th.
During rounds 6 through to 11 he was merely a gassed Heavybag, taking a battering.

:good
If he had no heart... he would have stayed down and just took the count

[combatesdeboxeo]

Ellis, Mathis, and Bonavena were likely past their best. And he didn't even stop them.
Lyle never really KO'd anyone durable. Tyson stopped Thomas, Berbick, Holmes, and Rudduck. All durable, tough guys.

Tyson would still be able to stop a lot of the guys from the 70s. Not that KO % really matters. The point is that Tyson hits harder. Lyle would NOT KO Berbick in the same fashion that Tyson did.

I still question is Lyle was stronger, I mean they were pretty much the same weight, except Lyle was taller.
Tyson could take a good shot too and had plenty of heart. If he didn't have heart he wouldn't have took that beatdown from Lewis or Douglas.
lyle himself was not in his prime, because he was inhis 30s. and the faced better rivals than tyson did, end of the history. ron lyle would ko more guys in the era of tyson.larry holmes was a shot when he faced tyson. tommas and ruddock were stoped by tommy morrison, they did not have iron chin. that point is you said tyson did hit MUCH harder than lyle ,and he did not, he was just harder puncher, and lyle was stronger in my opinion.

[combatesdeboxeo]

:good
If he had no heart... he would have stayed down and just took the count

ron lyle had much more heart than tyson and it is not even debatable

[tommygun711]

lyle himself was not in his prime, because he was inhis 30s. and the faced better rivals than tyson did, end of the history. ron lyle would ko more guys in the era of tyson.larry holmes was a shot when he faced tyson. tommas and ruddock were stoped by tommy morrison, they did not have iron chin. that point is you said tyson did hit MUCH harder than lyle ,and he did not, he was just harder puncher, and lyle was stronger in my opinion.

Yeah he wasn't in his prime. But he still didn't stop these guys, if he hit hard then he would at least have a stoppage over Bugner, who basically sat in his shell and let Lyle tee off.
He did face better fighters then Tyson. I agree with you. the 70s had a very deep heavyweight division.
I was listing those fighters because they were known to be durable guys. I do think that Rudduck and especially Thomas were shot against Morrison, and Rudduck still put up a hell of a fight.
I think he did. He looks more powerful on film, faster, and had much better punching technique. A lot of the time Lyle just arm punches. Lyle, in my opinion was more of a accumulative puncher. Tyson was a KO artist

[combatesdeboxeo]

I still question is Lyle was stronger, I mean they were pretty much the same weight, except Lyle was taller.
. and??????? so you think that more weight is = stronger....:nut
foreman weighed 217-232 pounds
and prime tyson 215-220 and foreman was taller, the foreman who weighed 217 was stronger than the tyson who weighed 220... simple.... foreman had a bigger bones structure, he had more strength. tyson was mass simply,ron lyle was stronger than tyson

[tommygun711]

and??????? so you think that more weight is = stronger....:nut
foreman weighed 217-232 pounds
and prime tyson 215-220 and foreman was taller, the foreman who weighed 217 was stronger than the tyson who weighed 220... simple.... foreman had a bigger bones structure, he had more strength. tyson was mass simply,ron lyle was stronger than tyson

That's not what I said.

I do think that Foreman was stronger then Tyson.
But Lyle was not Foreman. I don't think the strength between them was substantial, not that it would matter in this fight, because Lyle is not stopping berbick the same way that tyson did

[combatesdeboxeo]

Yeah he wasn't in his prime. But he still didn't stop these guys, if he hit hard then he would at least have a stoppage over Bugner, who basically sat in his shell and let Lyle tee off.
He did face better fighters then Tyson. I agree with you. the 70s had a very deep heavyweight division.
I was listing those fighters because they were known to be durable guys. I do think that Rudduck and especially Thomas were shot against Morrison, and Rudduck still put up a hell of a fight.
I think he did. He looks more powerful on film, faster, and had much better punching technique. A lot of the time Lyle just arm punches. Lyle, in my opinion was more of a accumulative puncher. Tyson was a KO artist

bugner was in his prime when he faced lyle, and bugner did not have exactly glass chin..... ruddock was 32 years old against morrison, a shot?¿ noway!!!

tyson never was a single shot ko artist , tyson got combinations

[combatesdeboxeo]

That's not what I said.

I do think that Foreman was stronger then Tyson.
But Lyle was not Foreman. I don't think the strength between them was substantial, not that it would matter in this fight, because Lyle is not stopping berbick the same way that tyson did
ron lyle was not foreman but he was not much weaker... my point is that lyle would ko berbick, i do not know if he would do like tyson

[tommygun711]

bugner was in his prime when he faced lyle, and bugner did not have exactly glass chin..... ruddock was 32 years old against morrison, a shot?¿ noway!!!

tyson never was a single shot ko artist , tyson got combinations

That's true. it was a good win for Lyle nevertheless. If he can't stop Bugner i don't think he's stopping Berbick though either.

Well, Rudduck had been through wars with Tyson, got stopped by Lewis, and had quite a few fights before then. The point is he was definitely past it. Prime Rudduck would have stopped Morrison.

Well, Tyson still had quite a few one punch KOs, he definitely had more then Lyle thats for sure

[combatesdeboxeo]

That's true. it was a good win for Lyle nevertheless. If he can't stop Bugner i don't think he's stopping Berbick though either.

Well, Rudduck had been through wars with Tyson, got stopped by Lewis, and had quite a few fights before then. The point is he was definitely past it. Prime Rudduck would have stopped Morrison.

Well, Tyson still had quite a few one punch KOs, he definitely had more then Lyle thats for sure

not, i do not think that berbick was more durable than bugner, no way. even joe frazier could not ko bugner.
i think that morrison would beat any version of ruddock. tons of rivals of tyson were in his 30s like berbick for example,ruddock was very good still when he faced morrison. and like i said.. my prediction is lyle by brutal ko .

[tommygun711]

not, i do not think that berbick was more durable than bugner, no way. even joe frazier could not ko bugner.
i think that morrison would beat any version of ruddock. tons of rivals of tyson were in his 30s like berbick for example,ruddock was very good still when he faced morrison. and like i said.. my prediction is lyle by brutal ko .

Once again I didn't say that. But Berbick only got stopped twice. Bugner 3 times.

Fine. But there's no evidence that Lyle would KO Berbick. Berbick was very durable and has taken shots from guys like Lyle. Mercado and Tyson certainly hit harder.
I think Lyle takes a decision.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Once again I didn't say that. But Berbick only got stopped twice. Bugner 3 times.

Fine. But there's no evidence that Lyle would KO Berbick. Berbick was very durable and has taken shots from guys like Lyle. Mercado and Tyson certainly hit harder.
I think Lyle takes a decision.
please tell me what guys were like lyle.... ron lyle was harder puncher than any rival of berbick except tyson, mercado knocked him out in 1 round IN HIS PRIME , and bernardo had similar hitting power to lyle. JOE BUGNER WAS STOPED JUST BY EARNIE SHAVERS IN 2 ROUNDS, AND LATER HE WAS STOPED WHEN HE WAS AN ABSOLUTE SHOT, FRANK BRUNO WOULD KO BERBICK AS WELL.

[tommygun711]

please tell me what guys were like lyle.... ron lyle was harder puncher than any rival of berbick except tyson, mercado knocked him out in 1 round IN HIS PRIME , and bernardo had similar hitting power to lyle. JOE BUGNER WAS STOPED JUST BY EARNIE SHAVERS IN 2 ROUNDS, AND LATER HE WAS STOPED WHEN HE WAS AN ABSOLUTE SHOT, FRANK BRUNO WOULD KO BERBICK AS WELL.
John Tate, Greg Page, Hasim Rahman, even Holmes as a case for being equal a puncher of Lyle when he really loads up on his punches
Bugner got stopped in his pro debut by paul brown
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Although I'm not sure if that's correct
Bruno might do it, I'm not really sure

[Seamus]

Once again it's Lyle's time to shine in the light of revisionism. Reality tells us power apparently does not stop champions, so I'll go with a prime Berbick to squeak out a decision... Obviously a close fight but one that is going to the cards.

[combatesdeboxeo]

John Tate, Greg Page, Hasim Rahman, even Holmes as a case for being equal a puncher of Lyle when he really loads up on his punches
Bugner got stopped in his pro debut by paul brown
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Although I'm not sure if that's correct
Bruno might do it, I'm not really sure
A GREEN 17 YEARS OLD BUGNER IN HIS FIRST FIGHT!!!!


HAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA LArry holmes hard puncher as ron lyle!!!!! what a joke , greg page,tate , not even rahman... :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:nut

[Duodenum]

Ron showed good smarts in boxing Bugner and Ali. His resourcefulness and toughness were very much in evidence as he countered the lethal Shavers off the ropes following Earnie's round two knockdown of him.

Lyle certainly had the power necessary to put Trevor on the deck with a single shot, as Snipes proved. LeDoux was not an easy man to hurt. While Ron never dropped Scott, he did stagger him repeatedly, enough so to rally from that early knockdown to win. Ron could out slug sluggers and out box boxers. He was the only man to put down George Johnson for the count in the last ten years of Scrap Iron's career. Leroy Caldwell has said that Lyle's power was about the same as Foreman's.

Mobility, power, skill and straight punching are all clearly in Lyle's favor here. Berbick would need to be coming forward and swarming Ron with superior hustle to win a decision. I don't see it. I think Lyle would give Trevor an early taste of power like Snipes did, and induce Berbick into a defensive shell, where he would be coming forward and protectively low, as he did with Holmes. That would suit Ron fine, as he was perfectly comfortable boxing for a distance win. Caldwell (who drew with Berbick), Peralta, Middleton, Bugner and Ward were all competent boxers who Lyle beat over the limit.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Ron showed good smarts in boxing Bugner and Ali. His resourcefulness and toughness were very much in evidence as he countered the lethal Shavers off the ropes following Earnie's round two knockdown of him.

Lyle certainly had the power necessary to put Trevor on the deck with a single shot, as Snipes proved. LeDoux was not an easy man to hurt. While Ron never dropped Scott, he did stagger him repeatedly, enough so to rally from that early knockdown to win. Ron could out slug sluggers and out box boxers. He was the only man to put down George Johnson for the count in the last ten years of Scrap Iron's career. Leroy Caldwell has said that Lyle's power was about the same as Foreman's.

Mobility, power, skill and straight punching are all clearly in Lyle's favor here. Berbick would need to be coming forward and swarming Ron with superior hustle to win a decision. I don't see it. I think Lyle would give Trevor an early taste of power like Snipes did, and induce Berbick into a defensive shell, where he would be coming forward and protectively low, as he did with Holmes. That would suit Ron fine, as he was perfectly comfortable boxing for a distance win. Caldwell (who drew with Berbick), Peralta, Middleton, Bugner and Ward were all competent boxers who Lyle beat over the limit.
ron lyle was a great puncher, underrated like the hell, for sure harder puncher than holmes,page or rahman lmao,but foreman was harder puncher, no doubt on it.