Why did PBF vs SSM NOT happen? [Archive]

Polo28

08-15-2007, 10:34 AM

Yeah, alot of people like to say Foyd dodges fights. But Floyd called out shane and he didnt want to fight Floyd. But when Shane called out Floyd he gave him a dose of his own medicine you made me wait, i will make you wait.But people dont see it that way tha just see as Floyd is avoiding Shane. ITs a doube standard

Polo28

08-15-2007, 10:35 AM

typo doube-double

Pimp C

08-15-2007, 10:36 AM

Shane wanted the fight, but Floyd said Shane had his chance last year, and called Shane a "sparring partner", and said that he doesnt fight sparring partners. So Shane went ahead and inked a fight with Cotto.
I love how you left out that PBF offered to fight Shane last year but Shane turned him down to get his tooth fixed.:hi: They are both at fault here.

Polo28

08-15-2007, 10:52 AM

BigReg

08-15-2007, 11:00 AM

My only problem with Floyd calling Shane out last year was the fact that Floyd did so AFTER Shane stated that he would not be fighting for the rest of the year to fullfull family obligations. Its like calling a fighter out after he retires and when he says no im retired, you claim he ducked u.:huh

Shane called out Floyd after Floyd said he was retiring. Just because a fighter says something, doesn't make it true.

BewareofDawg

08-15-2007, 11:00 AM

theres still time people....

he instead is fighting a top10 p4p fighter in Hatton
Oh great. He is the proclaimed champ of the deepest division in recent boxing history, yet calling a 140lber up to challenge him :good I'm sure it had nothing to do with Hattons previous performance at WW :nut When Collazo actually rocked him late.....oh, what did Shane do to Collazo again :think

BewareofDawg

08-15-2007, 11:02 AM

I love how you left out that PBF offered to fight Shane last year but Shane turned him down to get his tooth fixed.:hi: They are both at fault here.
Maybe Floyd knew that Shane wouldn't take the fight then...not out of fear...but because Oscar was planning on doing it. Maybe him calling out Shane was just to get under Oscars skin and add a little leverage in negotiating :deal

Polo28

08-15-2007, 11:08 AM

Question Fellas, Has the Mosley vs Cotto FIght been Finalized or are they still going over details. Have not seen it on any schedules.

Vantage_West

08-15-2007, 11:10 AM

IT doesnt matter, Its not like Shane had a daunting schedule. Shane's wife just wears the pants in the relationship. Oscar also punked shane out of that fight. I like Shane he is one of my favorites but he needs to grow a backbone.nah jin is the manager..you have a manger when you need somthing to manage
it's not a case of he or she wears the 'pants' he just wants to have a break and jin aint going to tell him to fight.

and oscar didnt punk out (even though it would be very casual for him) shane instead of having a reamtch with oscar turned to other light middlewieght champion who had very little credit winky wright.

pijo

08-15-2007, 11:17 AM

Its all about the money.

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:09 PM

Shane and DLH are business partners - its no secret they made more money with DLH taking the fight. . . to pretend anything else is just ignorant.

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:14 PM

because mosley is de la hoyas puppet

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:17 PM

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:19 PM

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:21 PM

nice to see you forgot to mention hatton dominated castillo

at what weight??? and did Castillo look like an old fighter with wobbly legs or what.

not to take anything away from Hatton, he beat the man they put in front of him but lets be honest. . . Hatton is not the same fighter at 147 compared to 140. . . thats why Fraud chose him.

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:22 PM

at what weight??? and did Castillo look like an old fighter with wobbly legs or what.

but its ok for cotto to beat the same judah coming off 2losses

or mosley beating a collazo coming off a defeat to hatton

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:25 PM

but its ok for cotto to beat the same judah coming off 2losses

or mosley beating a collazo coming off a defeat to hatton

Judah didnt look like Castillo - Castillo looked like all those drag out wars finally caught up with him - he was one of my favorite fighters - but thsi is just the truth. Judah did not look like that, actually put up a good fight and still got beat down hard. . . two totally different stories buddy.

Collazo-Hatton could have easily been scored a draw . . .its not like Collazo is battle worn like Castillo . . .another horrible comparison. :patsch

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:27 PM

its not even a comparisoni but your acting like mayweather is fighting hatton after he looked horrible, when in reality he is fighting a top 10 p4p coming off A career best win

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:28 PM

One question Mr. Ocean :rofl . Of the 3: Hatton/Cotto/Mosley, which one of these guys do u think Floyd would have the easiest time with?

he wouldnt have a easy time with any, i think hed beat all 3 but i think it would be tough

if your askin who i think hed beat the most convincing it would have to be cotto

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:29 PM

its not even a comparisoni but your acting like mayweather is fighting hatton after he looked horrible, when in reality he is fighting a top 10 p4p coming off A career best win

rank the threat level of these three. . . .Cotto/Hatton/Shane???

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:30 PM

rank the threat level of these three. . . .Cotto/Hatton/Shane???

hatton/shane/cotto

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:37 PM

hatton/shane/cotto

I forgot to mention it would be at WW. . . still think Hatton is the biggest threat?

BigReg

08-15-2007, 04:39 PM

So u rank them according to threat level in that order? Listen, im ok with Floyd facing Hatton. Its the first time since Castillo that Floyd is facing a young champion who is in his prime. Just dont dismiss the fact that Hatton is the easiest fight for Floyd of the 3 names listed.

Serious question. Has Cotto or his handlers ever mentioned Floyd as a potential opponent?

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:41 PM

I forgot to mention it would be at WW. . . still think Hatton is the biggest threat?

the weight doesnt matter in this fight, mayweather is no welter and neither is hatton, neither are the bigger guy, 1 started at light-welter and 1 at super-feather and your saying that the feather has the weight advantage

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:42 PM

So u rank them according to threat level in that order? Listen, im ok with Floyd facing Hatton. Its the first time since Castillo that Floyd is facing a young champion who is in his prime. Just dont dismiss the fact that Hatton is the easiest fight for Floyd of the 3 names listed.

how, hatton is more proven than cotto and is younger frsher coming off a better win than mosley

people criticize hatton for fighting a shot castillo, cotto-castillo were more or less confirmed last year until reasons stopped it

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:44 PM

Serious question. Has Cotto or his handlers ever mentioned Floyd as a potential opponent?

Floys was not available after PW ruined the Cotto-AM fight. . . he was already dialed in on Hatton so Cotto had to go to Shane. Fraud could have easily waited a week or two to see the PW-AM outcome. Cotto is the bigger fight in the US, I dont see FMJ fighting Hatton in England.

acb

08-15-2007, 04:45 PM

I love how you left out that PBF offered to fight Shane last year but Shane turned him down to get his tooth fixed.:hi: They are both at fault here.

Thats the truth, they are both at fault. I dont think either fears the other, its just that in boxing sometimes making fights is like this. For one reason or another the stars never alighn.

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:45 PM

So u take Hatton over Cotto in a boxing match?

it would be a pick em, i honestly dont know who id pick

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:46 PM

the weight doesnt matter in this fight, mayweather is no welter and neither is hatton, neither are the bigger guy, 1 started at light-welter and 1 at super-feather and your saying that the feather has the weight advantage

the question is simple ,who poses the bigger threat to FMJ at WW?

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:47 PM

the question is simple ,who poses the bigger threat to FMJ at WW?
and ive 2wice answered your simple question
but im going to bed now good debate i guess but i have 2 be in work 2morrow

:hi:

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:48 PM

Ok, so how can u say that Floyd would have an easier time with Cotto?

because styles make fights

you asked about hatton vs cotto which is totally different to floyd-cotto

acb

08-15-2007, 04:48 PM

because mosley is de la hoyas puppet

STFU. I love how everyone who takes a job with Golden Boy and makes a little coin while looking out for their career after boxing is a ¨puppet¨.

And at the same time, Mayweather fans justify ANYTHING Floyd does by saying its all about the money, blah, blah, blah.

Why do you give a shit if they take a job to continue to provide for themselves and their families? :deal

Danny Ocean

08-15-2007, 04:49 PM

And at the same time, Mayweather fans justify ANYTHING Floyd does by saying its all about the money, blah, blah, blah.

i havent even mentioned money in this thread

:-(

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 04:50 PM

and ive 2wice answered your simple question
but im going to bed now good debate i guess but i have 2 be in work 2morrow

:hi:

its borderline absurd to say Hatton is the bigger threat at WW than Shane and Cotto.

acb

08-15-2007, 04:51 PM

i havent even mentioned money in this thread

:-(

You said Mosely is a puppet for taking a job with GBP. Your attacking his charachter when the man is continuing to work to make a living, and based on what?

BigReg

08-15-2007, 05:14 PM

Floys was not available after PW ruined the Cotto-AM fight. . . he was already dialed in on Hatton so Cotto had to go to Shane. Fraud could have easily waited a week or two to see the PW-AM outcome. Cotto is the bigger fight in the US, I dont see FMJ fighting Hatton in England.

I remember before the Williams/Margarito fight Arum mentioning Williams, Mosely, Cintron, and Clottey as potential opponents if Margo lost but never Floyd. I really don't see why Floyd shouldv'e waited to see if Margo won to start negotiating with Hatton when it didn't seem like Arum had any interest in matching Cotto with Floyd.

achillesthegreat

08-15-2007, 05:17 PM

It was in talks, don't think otherwise. Don't be suprised if GBP planned what is now happening.

PBF was just dissing SSM like he has Hatton. Turns out he is fighting Ricky and not Mosley.

Truth is he offered Mosley out in Nov and Feb. Mosley didn't want it then though he said he'd fight Margo for 8 mil in Nov and then fought Collazo in Feb.

No ducking, just a touch of avoiding and circumstances not coming together...

...YET!

When Cotto and Hatton bunny fuck them, they will need comeback fights :)

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 05:27 PM

I remember before the Williams/Margarito fight Arum mentioning Williams, Mosely, Cintron, and Clottey as potential opponents if Margo lost but never Floyd. I really don't see why Floyd shouldv'e waited to see if Margo won to start negotiating with Hatton when it didn't seem like Arum had any interest in matching Cotto with Floyd.

If Arum was willing to put his boy in with AM and Shane - Im sure he would put him in with FMJ.

igotJUIC3

08-15-2007, 05:34 PM

Serious question. Has Cotto or his handlers ever mentioned Floyd as a potential opponent?

nope and Aurum knows what he is doing......Cotto is not ready for a mayweather and neither is hatton...the only fighter to pose a threat would be SSM.....Cotto and Hatton both pose good fights and similar threats...but cant and never will outbox PBF which is exactly what he will do......beat them to the punch in the middle of the ring and he wins easily call it running or whatever you anti-floyd people wanna call it but doesnt lose to cotto nor hatton.

BigReg

08-15-2007, 05:40 PM

If Arum was willing to put his boy in with AM and Shane - Im sure he would put him in with FMJ.

How come he never mentioned him as an opponent then? I mean let's be real, Floyd and Arum are not on good terms(When Arum and Oscar were beefing it, Shane was never mentioned as an opponent). I'm not sure he's going to be willing to put his prized fighter in their with a guy as good as Floyd, especially seeing as how they don't get along. Shane is a good fighter, but he's 36 and is not as good as Floyd. Margarito does not pose the same problems as Floyd, and is also promoted by Arum(making the fight easier to make). Floyd has certainly not made an effort to fight Cotto lately, but Arum, Cotto, nor his handlers have made any effort to fight Floyd.

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 05:43 PM

How come he never mentioned him as an opponent then? I mean let's be real, Floyd and Arum are not on good terms(When Arum and Oscar were beefing it, Shane was never mentioned as an opponent). I'm not sure he's going to be willing to put his prized fighter in their with a guy as good as Floyd, especially seeing as how they don't get along. Shane is a good fighter, but he's 36 and is not as good as Floyd. Margarito does not pose the same problems as Floyd, and is also promoted by Arum(making the fight easier to make). Floyd has certainly not made an effort to fight Cotto lately, but Arum, Cotto, nor his handlers have made any effort to fight Floyd.

Fair enough, Arum has been known to pamper Cotto. . . but to me Shane and FLoyd are about equal in terms of threat to Cotto . .. beating Floyd give you more upside so Id rather make that fight.

BigReg

08-15-2007, 05:55 PM

Fair enough, Arum has been known to pamper Cotto. . . but to me Shane and FLoyd are about equal in terms of threat to Cotto . .. beating Floyd give you more upside so Id rather make that fight.

I don't know if Floyd and Shane are equal threats to Cotto. However, I will be much more confident in Cotto's ability to compete with Floyd if he beats Shane decisively. I will be upset if Cotto wins, and a Floyd/Cotto match isn't made.

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 05:58 PM

I don't know if Floyd and Shane are equal threats to Cotto. However, I will be much more confident in Cotto's ability to compete with Floyd if he beats Shane decisively. I will be upset if Cotto wins, and a Floyd/Cotto match isn't made.

I look at some of the more recent matches at WW.

Cotto tore Zab to pieces.
Shane showed brilliant handspeed in shutting out Collazo.
Hatton really struggled with Collazo at WW.

Its no big secret Hatton is not the same fighter at 147 than 140.

BigReg

08-15-2007, 06:18 PM

I look at some of the more recent matches at WW.

Cotto tore Zab to pieces.
Shane showed brilliant handspeed in shutting out Collazo.
Hatton really struggled with Collazo at WW.

Its no big secret Hatton is not the same fighter at 147 than 140.

I don't get where you're going with this. Are trying to illustrate that Floyd and Shane are equal threats to Cotto?

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 06:55 PM

I don't get where you're going with this. Are trying to illustrate that Floyd and Shane are equal threats to Cotto?

Im saying that Hatton is the lesser threat of the three to FMJ at WW.
Cotto and Shane are pretty close.

BigReg

08-15-2007, 07:38 PM

Im saying that Hatton is the lesser threat of the three to FMJ at WW.
Cotto and Shane are pretty close.

I don't disagree with that.

Ramshall1

08-15-2007, 07:39 PM

I don't disagree with that.

of all the Floyd fans you seem to be the most reasonable. :good

Toopretty

08-15-2007, 08:48 PM

The reason FMJ didnt take the fight now is because Hatton looks to be the path of least resistance of the three big money fights Cotto/Shane/Hatton.

Cotto sliced up Zab worse than FMJ did on his move up to WW.

Shane showed his handspeed is still up there with his shutout of Collazo.

Hatton really struggled with Collazo at WW, so he is the easiest of the three at WW. . .. thats why Fraud chose him.

And another thing your dumb ass forgot..HATTON DISSED FLOYD HARSHLY ON TV. I mean blatently dissed him more so then anyone has ever done. Floyd came out to challenge him out of respect. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Dumb ass Floyd haters. Like Floyd instigated the matchup....cunts

Lance_Uppercut

08-16-2007, 12:30 AM

Floyd 'called him out'...WTF is this, pro wrestling? Maybe Floyd should had his manager contact Shane instead...

igotJUIC3

08-16-2007, 01:30 AM

Im saying that Hatton is the lesser threat of the three to FMJ at WW.
Cotto and Shane are pretty close.

your right about this but i dont think PBF is doing this soley because Hatton is hte lesser...in fact HE KNOWS Hatton is easy money and actually he tried to make it earlier it couldnt be agreed upon so he left it alone...but Hatton has been calling this man name out for a while now you know...so i really think this one is personal...he really just wants to just get hatton done and over with so i can understand why he chose Hatton....its just personal now especially after the bit on t.v after the Castillo fight...so yea i agree he is the lesser and i think PBF knows that as well but i think he took the fight just for personal reasons thats all.

Illmatic

08-16-2007, 03:16 AM

Floyd 'called him out'...WTF is this, pro wrestling? Maybe Floyd should had his manager contact Shane instead...

wait, didnt you know that Floyd was scared b/c Spadafora called him out!? Calling someone out automatically means someone must fight them asap.

Fab2333

08-16-2007, 10:14 AM

I believe it will, I hope it will. IF both of them win their fights. Or even if btoth of them lose ( which is higly unlikely).
I just want to see the winner of both fights fight each other.
9x's out of 10 floyd is gonna win his fight. So whoever wins out of the COtto v. Mosley should face PBF

Danny Ocean

08-16-2007, 02:20 PM

Im saying that Hatton is the lesser threat of the three to FMJ at WW.
Cotto and Shane are pretty close.

he struggled because he fought a bigger guy naturally and physically

pbf isnt neither

Ramshall1

08-16-2007, 03:49 PM

And another thing your dumb ass forgot..HATTON DISSED FLOYD HARSHLY ON TV. I mean blatently dissed him more so then anyone has ever done. Floyd came out to challenge him out of respect. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl Dumb ass Floyd haters. Like Floyd instigated the matchup....cunts

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Margarito walked up to Fraud told him to his face he wanted to fight him, Fraud said he would fight him only to go back on his word. . . Margarito called him a fagg, yet the Fraudulent one didnt take the fight.

Get lost with this bullshiit.

Ramshall1

08-16-2007, 03:51 PM

he struggled because he fought a bigger guy naturally and physically

pbf isnt neither

Hatton is the lesser threat of the three Cotto/Shane/Hatton. . . thats why Fraud chose him.

hahahax

08-16-2007, 04:58 PM

You say Cotto completly destroyed Judah... it was not the case before the 2 low blows. And Judah is known for folding when things get rough.

Mayweather would never fold the way Judah did and Cotto's lack of defense(let's face it, his only defense is his offense) would not take him far against Mayweather. He would get countered all night.. and it's not like dude got a rock solid chin. It's still up in the air.

Mosley would be an interestign match-up, but the only thing he has on Floyd is power, that's it. And if DLH could not hurt Floyd when he hit flush, Mosley won't either.

All that leaves leaves Hatton, the guy who struggled with Collazo's size at 147.. The difference between Collazo and Mayweather is that Collazo was one of the biggest at WW and Mayweather is the smallest. You can't claim Hatton is bad at 147, you can claim he's bad when facing bigger opponents, true. But Floyd is not bigger than Hatton.