If Hatton-Pac has indeed gone down the shitter....

[ishy]

Who would you like Hatton to fight at Wembley in May/June?

[saturday_kid]

Jmm

[Cobbler]

Marquez.

In fact I'd prefer that to Pacquiao in Vegas.

Boxing is supposed to be a sport, not a casino side-attraction and should be held where people want to see it.

[GazOC]

JMM. I'd prefer Pac as an opponent but it'd suit my pocket better if its JMM somewhere in the UK.

[theboy_racer]

Gutted if PAc fight is off but would have to be JMM and i'd probably be supprting JMM whereas against Pac i'd be backing Hatton all the way.

[stuey]

:bartit does indeed seem to be off. i am not an happy bunny

[Grievesy]

JMM or any of the top LWW.

[neil hibbert]

im gutted, was gonna go to vegas for the 1st time to see it damn

[TFFP]

Tim Bradley, he is the most deserving of the candidates in Hatton's division. If he really must fight somebody outside that, Cotto.

I'd prefer Marquez to fight Nate Campbell.

[trotter]

Marquez

But he's signed to fight Juan Diaz is he not?

TFFP is right though Bradley probably should get the shot. Having said that Hatton just fought the no.2 in the division so I suppose it's his pick this time.

[ishy]

The scene is reporting that Hatton wants a rematch with Floyd. If that can't be done there he will fight the winner of Marquez-Diaz. This is all according to Hatton's lawyer.

[GazOC]

Let Bradley make a couple of defences, if Hatton beats him now you'd just get the "Who has Bradley REALLY beat" line.

[trotter]

Hatton v JMM could not happen until July/August at the earliest.. i think Hatton has shot himself in the foot by turning down a 40% cut of a Pacquiao mega-fight and claiming he will fill Wembley with 100,000 for his next fight,,, Mayweather has no interest in a Hatton fight so Hatton is struggling for a big name oponent

Name a fight Manny could make that Hatton couldn't... and whoever you pick, the fight would probably be worth just as much against Hatton than against Pacman

Manny has been very greedy here if this falls through

[GazOC]

"Manny called out Margarito"........;O)

[Beeston Brawler]

:patsch

[TFFP]

Manny would fight Margarito no problem. It's Roach that would advise against it.

I think it would be interesting.

[GazOC]

Manny would fight Margarito no problem. It's Roach that would advise against it.

I think it would be interesting.

He didn't fancy Hatton for 12 mill but he'll take on Margo fora lot less? We've seen this week how much weight Roaches opinion carries with Pac where future opponents are concerned. He was all over that 50/50 Hatton deal.....if Pac and margo doesn't happen I think its a hell of a stretch to blame it on Roach after whats just happened.

[hit me HARDER]

I'd like to see Hatton-Cotto

[Championship]

Mayweather has no boxing reason to come back for Hatton right now. Hatton is less then what he was for their original fight. I think only the winner of Hatton/Pacquiao would've drawn him to fight either of them and apart from fighting each other, they both need another good win to entice Mayweather out.

With regards to the Marquez/Diaz winner, I think that both of them would rather go against Pacquiao - the current number one name in the sport. If Pacquiao goes for Valero (if he decides not to go for the WBC lightweight title) then that could free up the Marquez/Diaz winner for Hatton, depending on when they fight.

It's all complicated, we'll have to wait for a number of other fights to take place for the big names to be available for June/July. Campbell has got to be a front-runner as his fight is in February so he'd be ready and available. Guzman and Casamayor have nothing lined up it seems but they're slick boxers with more risk/less reward possibly.

[dan-b]

I hope people don't take this as a reason to declare open season on Pac. Regardless of what we think the fighters were worth (I think 50/50 was right) I don't think Arum has handled this particularly well.

[TFFP]

He didn't fancy Hatton for 12 mill but he'll take on Margo fora lot less? We've seen this week how much weight Roaches opinion carries with Pac where future opponents are concerned. He was all over that 50/50 Hatton deal.....if Pac and margo doesn't happen I think its a hell of a stretch to blame it on Roach after whats just happened.
I'm not blaming anything on anyone. I'm saying Roach was the one that has voiced concerns over that fight, whereas Pacquiao has always sought out the best opponents, whether it be the great Mexican fights, or even to fight a supposedly "bigger" guy like De La Hoya when he had no chance, apparently.

Sensitive Hatton fans :-(

[trotter]

Margarito will brutalise him

[TFFP]

Nah. Not until > round 6 anyway.

[bored]

I hope he fights Bradley and trys to unify 140. I expect Witter will tell Ricky he's always there as a back up :D

[TFFP]

I hope he fights Bradley and trys to unify 140. I expect Witter will tell Ricky he's always there as a back up :D
:good

Hatton would get a lot of credit from me if he cleans out the division.

[trotter]

Nah. Not until > round 6 anyway.

Huge mismatch IMO

But not beyond the realms of possibility that Pacquaio lasts 6-8 rounds by steering clear

His marketability would suffer badly after Margarito crushes him, that's just my take but I strongly believe it

[TFFP]

I don't think it would be a case of "lasting 6 rounds". I think he'd be more than competitive in them, because Margarito is a horrible starter, he's slow as shit, and I think he'd have a great deal of problems trying to catch up with Pacman if he fought with the in-out style he showed recently. If he puts the odd single shot in on Pac, I would back him to take that unless its to the body, and Pac is difficult to hit to the body. I see problems when he tires and Margarito gets his second wind, he would catch up in the end.

Pacquiao is the modern day Henry Armstrong, as far as having the attributes to make weight almost obsolete - up to a point.

And I'm not insane like all the MOFO's that delusionally picked ODLH based on weight alone...so watch out for me being correct if it happens.

[maka]

just heard it on the news, they couldnt agree on money split, fuck sake, they should be taking a pay cut, to entertain the fans

hatton - mayweather part 2......bring it on :bbb

[ishy]

The Great Raymondo himself has been on the phone to Sky Sports News in the past hour. Saying that they had given Pac a deadline and Pac had not met it so the fight is off. He also said that they will get in touch with Al Haymon to discuss a Mayweather rematch (:patsch) and said Haymon had contacted them earlier but they told him that they were already negotiating with Pac. Ray also said that they have been offered a fight against the JMM v Diaz winner and Oscar himself has now said he'd love to fight Hatton in England.

The presenter tried to make Ray say that Pac is ducking Hatton but Ray didn't take the bait and just said "as far as I know, he's (Pac) been offered everything he's asked for but still hasn't signed the contract" (or words to that effect). Apparently had Pac accepted his minimum guranteed purse would have been a career high (more than the DLH fight).

Anyway in regards to who I want Hatton to fight next, I'd prefer him to take on JMM (assuming he beats Diaz). If Diaz wins I'd prefer Hatton to take on Bradley. A young, undefeated champion would look good on his record. Especially one who has recently defeated Witter who Hatton failed to fight for one reason or another.

[phonk]

Would the casual fan buy tickets for Hatton vs JMM?

JMM doesn't have the same name recognition amongst casual fans as a Pacman or a DLH

[ishy]

Would the casual fan buy tickets for Hatton vs JMM?

JMM doesn't have the same name recognition amongst casual fans as a Pacman or a DLH

Hatton v Lazcano sold 55,000 tickets and loads of people missed out on a ticket. Lazcano was a no-name, IIRC his picture wasn't even on the poster.

[phonk]

Hatton v Lazcano sold 55,000 tickets and loads of people missed out on a ticket. Lazcano was a no-name, IIRC his picture wasn't even on the poster.

Slightly different economic times.

Hatton was fighting at 'home' and the fight was a 10pm at night.

Different proposition fighting in London in a stadium that can hold 100,000 while the economy is utterly fucked.

[trotter]

Slightly different economic times.

Hatton was fighting at 'home' and the fight was a 10pm at night.

Different proposition fighting in London in a stadium that can hold 100,000 while the economy is utterly fucked.

True

But then fight in Manchester again

Do the dirty and fight at OT, 80,000 or so

[ishy]

Slightly different economic times.

Hatton was fighting at 'home' and the fight was a 10pm at night.

Different proposition fighting in London in a stadium that can hold 100,000 while the economy is utterly fucked.

Very true, but it's not as if ALL of Hatton's fans are from Manchester/up North, there'd be a fair few down South as well. I think most Hattton fans could shell out a few hundred quid for tickets, transport to London etc. Not as if they'll be spending the thousands they'd need to if they were going to Vegas.

[GazOC]

I'm not blaming anything on anyone. I'm saying Roach was the one that has voiced concerns over that fight, whereas Pacquiao has always sought out the best opponents, whether it be the great Mexican fights, or even to fight a supposedly "bigger" guy like De La Hoya when he had no chance, apparently.

Sensitive Hatton fans :-(


Nah, its not about Hatton that fight looks like its gone but in view of this weeks happenings Roach clearly isn't the all powerful figure he likes to paint himself within Pacs camp. If Pac takes a "soft touch" next, people can hardly blame Roach for vetoing the tough opponents like Margo, its clearly down to Pac and his Pinoy crowd who he fights these days.

To say Pac will fight anyone but Roach won't let him is a nice little cop from Pacs (and his fans) point of view.

[GazOC]

And I'm not insane like all the MOFO's that delusionally picked ODLH based on weight alone...so watch out for me being correct if it happens.

Are you going to dine out on picking that fight correctly for the rest of your life....??;)

[Benjiabc]

the fight with pac will still happen it has to, dont believe all you read

[neil hibbert]

the fight with pac will still happen it has to, dont believe all you read

hope ure right i wanna go to vegas

[JonOli]

Bradley has only ever beaten two top 50 ranked JWW. Personally I'd like to see Hatton face JMM.

[JonOli]

I have a feeling Pac will do a U turn. Either that or he's fighting Mayweather.

[GazOC]

Bradley has only ever beaten two top 50 ranked JWW. Personally I'd like to see Hatton face JMM.

I can't see what all the fuss is about Bradley either. Let him put a couple more decent wins in, if Hatton beat him now he'd get about was much credit as Calzaghe gets for Lacy.

[Realspitts]

jmm or dlh.

either one of pacs leftovers would give hatton a tough fight.

[mattress]

jmm or dlh.

either one of pacs leftovers would give hatton a tough fight.

Another Hatton-hater?

[mrbassie]

I certainly don't want to see Hatton fight Marquez, tbh the pac fight would be one of these celebrity fights that happen all the time nowadays like Pac DLH, two names fighting because they're names, no actual impact on whatever division they fight in because win or lose a guy like pac isn't going to stay there. If Pac beat Hatton then off he goes to welter to fight Mayweather.
I've been moaning about Hatton fighting guys half his size for years. I'd much rather he unified the division again. IMO that counts for a lot more than overpowering a dwarf. Bradley, Holt or Torres for me. I just don't agree with the line that says Hatton doesn't have to fight light welters any more because he beat Tszyu before the younger guys were around.That line was ok for Lewis because nobody came along after he'd beaten Holy, Golota et al save the Klitschko's and he beat the better of the two. Hatton's got a few good guys who, while they may not have the names or the meaningless p4p tag attatched are nevertheless credible challengers.

[Realspitts]

Another Hatton-hater?

so you think jmm @ 140 & DLH @ 154/157 are easy fights for ricky ?

[JonOli]

I certainly don't want to see Hatton fight Marquez, tbh the pac fight would be one of these celebrity fights that happen all the time nowadays like Pac DLH, two names fighting because they're names, no actual impact on whatever division they fight in because win or lose a guy like pac isn't going to stay there. If Pac beat Hatton then off he goes to welter to fight Mayweather.
I've been moaning about Hatton fighting guys half his size for years.

The guy has only ever fought two people shorter then him his entire career (getting on for 50 fights) - he's a small JWW.

Whatever Hatton does you will obviously discredit it. Having a go at him for trying to fight the P4P no1 hottest property in boxing at the moment - just proves that. Pac didn't just beat Oscar - he absolutely destroyed him, and Diaz too.

You criticise pac for going to Welter to fight Mayweather - get real.

Playing the purest, fight at your own weight, card - to beat a boxer with - doesn't work if (either all): the division is weak - there are no distinguished opponents available - boxers have already more then once proved themselves at their own weight - they're going to take on a live ATG - or the odds are really stacked against them.


Do you honest believe that we think you will give credit to Hatton for him beating Bradley? A guy who has only ever beat two top 50 rated guys at JWW (a weak div'), and yet you'd ridicule Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that - but we have to believe that you would hail a win over Bradley - I'm sorry but I am sceptical.

[JonOli]

Hatton isn't the greatest fighter in the world by any means, but please give him credit for being willing to take on or try and take on fights where he is the underdog.

[mattress]

so you think jmm @ 140 & DLH @ 154/157 are easy fights for ricky ?

Not at all but it was your derisory tone (regarding Pac's leftovers) that made me comment.

Some people seem to think that Pac is truly invincible and I fail to see why. He is undoubtedly a great fighter but has had some debatable or at least close decisions over the past few years. Decisions that could have gone either way.

Many here claim that Hatton will be destroyed by Pac based on what they saw in the DLH fight. Come on, DLH is as shot as shot gets. Give Hatton some credit.

[djoc175]

Jmm

[mrbassie]

The guy has only ever fought two people shorter then him his entire career (getting on for 50 fights) - he's a small JWW.

Hatton is a fucking huge light welterweight. In fact he's a light middle in the ring or at least the higher end of welter. In any case, he point was Hatton spent most of his SN days fighting lightweights and superfeatherweights and it's not something he should revert to now.

Whatever Hatton does you will obviously discredit it. Having a go at him for trying to fight the P4P no1 hottest property in boxing at the moment - just proves that. Pac didn't just beat Oscar - he absolutely destroyed him, and Diaz too. If you say so. Or perhaps I don't like Pac jumping weights for money, or Mayweather for that matter, DLH himself, Barrera when he was hot property. All I said was, in not so many words, Hatton could fight every couple of months and clean out the division if he wanted to, that would mean a lot more than fighting one chequebook opponent a year and maybe one tuneup. savvy?

You criticise pac for going to Welter to fight Mayweather - get real. Well actually I didn't, mainly because i hasn't happened. I said I'm not that bothered about these celebrity deathmatch fights. Does your team only bother playing manu, chelsea or Arsenal? If so how do you feel about it?

Playing the purest, fight at your own weight, card - to beat a boxer with - doesn't work if (either all): the division is weak - there are no distinguished opponents available - boxers have already more then once proved themselves at their own weight - they're going to take on a live ATG - or the odds are really stacked against them.

playing a card am I has it occured to you that it might really be my opinion and not just a way to bash someone?
It's not a weak division at all, not as deep as proper welter but hardly shallow. Is Welter weak because the only unretired 'name' in the division is Cotto? "distinguished opponents" what claptrap you're talking. Ok Pacs an all time great, what's he doing fighting DLH and Hatton for? Money. Balls to money, they're all millionaires.


Do you honest believe that we think you will give credit to Hatton for him beating Bradley? A guy who has only ever beat two top 50 rated guys at JWW (a weak div'), and yet you'd ridicule Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that - but we have to believe that you would hail a win over Bradley - I'm sorry but I am sceptical.

I don't give a toss if you think I'd give credit to Hatton for wiping his arse blindfold to be honest, I don't know who you are and what you think won't make me lose any sleep. But yes, I'd give him props for beating a good, young undefeated fighter from his own weightclass, then baring a cut he could fight one of the other guys a couple of months later (why not a couple of weeks?) and then another. That's what great fighters did hen they still existed, not one £multi million fight a year.
Now, I don't see how I've "ridicule(d) Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that" When did I do that, the fight hasn't happened and looks like it won't. I think it's be a good achievement beaten Pac, but I'd rather Hatton beat all the top guys in his division in a year than beat Pac, knock over a no hoper seven or eight months later and hope Mayweather will fight him again. I just se this issue as a good little illustration of one of the things that is wrong with boxing, namely the top fighters chasing millions instead of doing what they do because they like it. You have got your back up over nothing boyo.
for the record, would you rather Pac had battered the clearly shot to bits DLH or fought Marquez again, he being a fighter Pacquiao has yet to conclusively prove he can beat? You're clearly one of these guys who likes to play fantasy accountant, why not think about what's good for the sport in the long term instead of how much money your ickle favourite boxer is going to make?

[SouthpawSlayer]

fucking balls

[JonOli]

I don't give a toss if you think I'd give credit to Hatton for wiping his arse blindfold to be honest, I don't know who you are and what you think won't make me lose any sleep. But yes, I'd give him props for beating a good, young undefeated fighter from his own weightclass, then baring a cut he could fight one of the other guys a couple of months later (why not a couple of weeks?) and then another. That's what great fighters did hen they still existed, not one £multi million fight a year.
Now, I don't see how I've "ridicule(d) Hatton for beating the P4P no1, future HOF and ATG who just destroyed an opponent at a higher weight (for which he was a huge underdog going into the fight), and had totally destroyed a belt holder at 135 before that" When did I do that, the fight hasn't happened and looks like it won't. I think it's be a good achievement beaten Pac, but I'd rather Hatton beat all the top guys in his division in a year than beat Pac, knock over a no hoper seven or eight months later and hope Mayweather will fight him again. I just se this issue as a good little illustration of one of the things that is wrong with boxing, namely the top fighters chasing millions instead of doing what they do because they like it. You have got your back up over nothing boyo.
for the record, would you rather Pac had battered the clearly shot to bits DLH or fought Marquez again, he being a fighter Pacquiao has yet to conclusively prove he can beat? You're clearly one of these guys who likes to play fantasy accountant, why not think about what's good for the sport in the long term instead of how much money your ickle favourite boxer is going to make?

Basically you are having a dig at Hatton for all that is wrong with boxing and for not fighting every other month. I too would like to see boxers fight every couple of months, but that is not the way it is now, and ripping into Hatton for not doing so is harsh to say the least. Anyway Hatton absolutley bashed out opponents every few months during his WBU days (if that's your bag) - he's not the worst culprit of fighting infrequently. I look forward to your posts in practically every other thread ripping into every other boxer for not fighting every couple of months too.

Hatton has just beat the ring ranked no1 contender in his division - there are no other real established opponents at JWW. Hatton would be a red hot favourite to beat them all. You see Hatton fighting a guy, one that Hatton would be clearly expected to beat, who has only ever beat 2 top 50 ranked JWW opponents, as more worth then fighting a guy Hatton would go in as an underdog or at best a short favourite against.

Hatton has probably 1 possibly 2 more fights left. I'd like him to go out with two big competitive names. You speak like he is just starting out - the guy has had 46 fights. What is fighting an unproven fringe, ABC (newly acquired) belt holder going to do for him now(compared to names like JMM, and Pac on his resume). He has beaten better opponents in the past.

PS nobody laughs at ickle or Wicky comments anymore.

If you don't like the sound of it then fair enough -suit yourself - but I think Hatton fighting the winner of Baby Bull V JMM would be a superb fight.

[Jack Dempsey]

Its off
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Hatton DLH anyone?

[SteelTownCobra]

I can't believe this fight has fallen through because of percentages. Surely Manny is gonna except 50-50 and fight because he wants to fight?

JMM has to be the next best option for Hatton. He pushed Manny close in their first fight but had a little too much to do after the first round disaster. He won the rematch IMO by winning the last round, although the fight was very close and could have gone either way. Anyway, Manny more than met his match in the two JMM fights so he's the obvious choice.

I actually think Ricky will find it harder to beat JMM. Marquez has been very impressive in his last few outings and has shown what a smart fighter he is inside the ring. His dismantling of Casamayor was very impressive. He will have his hands full with Juan Diaz but i fully expect him to win a decision there.

Hatton v Marquez would be a great fight.

[Jack Dempsey]

I thought Arum was topping up Pacquiaos purse out of his own pocket to make the fight happen?

[mrbassie]

Basically you are having a dig at Hatton for all that is wrong with boxing and for not fighting every other month. I too would like to see boxers fight every couple of months, but that is not the way it is now, and ripping into Hatton for not doing so is harsh to say the least. Anyway Hatton absolutley bashed out opponents every few months during his WBU days (if that's your bag) - he's not the worst culprit of fighting infrequently. I look forward to your posts in practically every other thread ripping into every other boxer for not fighting every couple of months too.

Hatton has just beat the ring ranked no1 contender in his division - there are no other real established opponents at JWW. Hatton would be a red hot favourite to beat them all. You see Hatton fighting a guy, one that Hatton would be clearly expected to beat, who has only ever beat 2 top 50 ranked JWW opponents, as more worth then fighting a guy Hatton would go in as an underdog or at best a short favourite against.

Hatton has probably 1 possibly 2 more fights left. I'd like him to go out with two big competitive names. You speak like he is just starting out - the guy has had 46 fights. What is fighting an unproven fringe, ABC (newly acquired) belt holder going to do for him now(compared to names like JMM, and Pac on his resume). He has beaten better opponents in the past.

PS nobody laughs at ickle or Wicky comments anymore.

If you don't like the sound of it then fair enough -suit yourself - but I think Hatton fighting the winner of Baby Bull V JMM would be a superb fight.

I'm not bashing him for anything, I'm just saying I don't really care if the fight doesn't happen because it doesn't impact on anything. If Pac wins he buggers off to fight Mayweather and then whomever else is a big money fight at whichever weight leaving yet another division without a linear champion, if Hatton wins he goes for DLH or the Mayweather rematch then probably retires, same scenario. It's not good for the sport, in fact it's wwf matchmaking, great fight or not. Clearly you think I hate Hatton, I don't, I'm not really a fan of his either, I think he's a dirty fighter, not particularly good to watch because of the wrestling and home town reffing and he's taken the soft option throughout most of his career but he's obviously a good bloke. I don't "hate" any fighter but I'm as free to criticise as te next man. Hatton isn't above criticism just because he's affable any more than Calzaghe is just because sell outs like Barry McGuigan say he is.

[trotter]

Pacman is a bell end at the negotiating table it seems

Not just this fight, the Oscar fight too, and other incidents along the way

[dan-b]

Pacman is a bell end at the negotiating table it seems

Not just this fight, the Oscar fight too, and other incidents along the way

Do you really believe it works like that? That would be like suggesting footballers negotiate all their own contracts. I must say also, I don't think Arum has handled this whole thing particularly well.

[steelem]

Who knows what offer was on the table - it was probaly a ridiculous offer from the hatton CAMP for all we know

[stuey]

how about a pretty boy rematch, same date, same venue?

[djoc175]

how about a pretty boy rematch, same date, same venue?
Seems pointless to me.Just alot of $$ for both men.
Hatton maybe more competitive because he has Floyd Sr in his corner but then again Mayweather may stop him quicker second time around

[steelem]

i think hatton should conentrate on the guys at light welter - if floyd wants the rematch then he needs to come down that weight - if hatton was to go back up then he gets beat again easily ..

[Chinny]

i think hatton should conentrate on the guys at light welter - if floyd wants the rematch then he needs to come down that weight - if hatton was to go back up then he gets beat again easily ..

Yes because Hatton has all the leverage for a rematch doesn't he? :patsch

[PaddyD1983]

:bartit does indeed seem to be off. i am not an happy bunny

Had you already booked stuey?

[PaddyD1983]

Mayweather has no boxing reason to come back for Hatton right now.

Yes he does. Two words;

Tax bill.

[steelem]

Pac fight off due to unfair conditions - as iithought the hattons say 1 thing & when it finally comes out pacman was being pressurised

[stuey]

Had you already booked stuey?

only on hold,hadn't paid anything.

we are going to go anyway, treat it as a holiday. there will be a big fight that weekend even if its not hatton. (and the vegas pool parties will still be on:yep)

quietly, i am still pretty confident the fight happens. Give it a fortnight and it will be back on i reckon.

Too much money for pac to remain a twat:good

[GazOC]

I agree Stuey, I think theres another chapter to play out in this little saga.

[PaddyD1983]

Agreed gents, I can see this rumbling on

[Beatboxer]

I'd love to see Hatton take on the Juan Diaz/JMM winner.

Hatton - Diaz is a fight I've been craving to see for a long time, so I'm hoping he comes through against JMM.

[scurlaruntings]

I hope people don't take this as a reason to declare open season on Pac. Regardless of what we think the fighters were worth (I think 50/50 was right) I don't think Arum has handled this particularly well.
Arum didnt fuck up Ricky did. Take into consideration Pacs words:


"I want to fight Ricky Hatton if the terms are right and fair. Modesty aside, I did not become the best pound-for-pound fighter by fighting patsies on my way to the top. I beat Oscar Dela Hoya when he said he was still on top of his game. I proved I can fight at any weight level and I won two different titles in two different divisions, also, last year. Now, I say to Ricky Hatton, king of the 140 pound division, 'Let's get it on,' without the middlemen. You called me out, now I say we fight."

Former flyweight champ, multiweight champ, P4P king, moved up to 147 and didnt just beat DLH he demolished him against all the odds. Thats an ATG and Manny fully deserves a 60-40 split. If Ricky wanted the fight and was interested in the fans he`d fight Manny. But instead he wants to take on more lightweights/super feathers whilst still making a killing at the fans expense. Fuck Ricky and fuck the gravy train he rode in on. Now im off to fuck his ugly mug up mroe on Fight Night.:fire

[El Cepillo]

(Pac)>>Cotto>>JMM>>Bradley>>Oscar

[GazOC]

No, he wants to fight Manny. He's just not willing to wait until the summer before he arranges his next fight. Even Roach and Arum are having trouble getting hold of Pac.

I'd guess Hatton just wants to take out of the fight financially something like the amount he is putting in. I'd assume the 50/50 figure already included the allowance for Pacs greatness and P4P ranking against the income Hatton brings to the fight.

Either way, fuck it. It either happens or ir doesn't.

[SouthpawSlayer]

Arum didnt fuck up Ricky did. Take into consideration Pacs words:


"I want to fight Ricky Hatton if the terms are right and fair. Modesty aside, I did not become the best pound-for-pound fighter by fighting patsies on my way to the top. I beat Oscar Dela Hoya when he said he was still on top of his game. I proved I can fight at any weight level and I won two different titles in two different divisions, also, last year. Now, I say to Ricky Hatton, king of the 140 pound division, 'Let's get it on,' without the middlemen. You called me out, now I say we fight."

Former flyweight champ, multiweight champ, P4P king, moved up to 147 and didnt just beat DLH he demolished him against all the odds. Thats an ATG and Manny fully deserves a 60-40 split. If Ricky wanted the fight and was interested in the fans he`d fight Manny. But instead he wants to take on more lightweights/super feathers whilst still making a killing at the fans expense. Fuck Ricky and fuck the gravy train he rode in on. Now im off to fuck his ugly mug up mroe on Fight Night.:fire

totally agreed, pac is number one and now its his time to bring in the big bucks he deserves at least 55%

hatton has got way too big for his boots, id like to see hatton face someone at 140 rather than diaz or jmm, bradley would be first choice and then we will see if hatton is the best at 140 because malignaggi certainly wasnt his biggest threat at 140, he was tailormade for hatton

[scurlaruntings]

Does anyone else think this could be solved by a percentage of the purse being withheld for the winner? Maybe not in this case, but that would surely cut down on these petulant contract disputes.Wont make a blind bit of diffrence. Its abundantly clear the only thing Ricky is interested in is money. He takes on the least risk for the best reward. I mean Hatton Marquez? Give me a fucking break. Not long ago Marquez was a featherweight. And Ricky cant find a live body at 140 to fight? Why keep calling himself the best man at 140 when he wont fight the best fighters at his weight? He refused to face Witter. He certainly isnt going to face Bradley Torres or Holt. His talked himself out of Pac because he believes he deserves and even split even though its abundantly clear the star here is PacMan and not him. And yet his same line is "im doing this for me fans" He then delivers us Lazcano who hadnt fought in 18 months and Paulie which was a PPV failure and by FAR the weakest belt holder in 140lbs history. Ricky is a consumate fraud. Fuck him.

[stonerose]

Please, please not Oscar.

In order of preference -

Marquez
Cotto
Bradley
Witter
Mayweather ( unwinable in my opinion )

[Realspitts]

Not at all but it was your derisory tone (regarding Pac's leftovers) that made me comment.

sorry if i affended you or anyone else, but the fact of the matter is pac already beat them both.

Some people seem to think that Pac is truly invincible and I fail to see why. He is undoubtedly a great fighter but has had some debatable or at least close decisions over the past few years. Decisions that could have gone either way

i dont think manny is invincible and yes both fights with jmm were close.

Many here claim that Hatton will be destroyed by Pac based on what they saw in the DLH fight. Come on, DLH is as shot as shot gets. Give Hatton some credit.

i am one who thinks manny would destroy ricky based on theyre styles & strengths/weakness'.

the dlh fight only confirmed that pac still posses the power, speed, stamina & improved footwork with the additional weight.

team pac & us fans know the blueprint to beat ricky.
its checkers not chess.

[JonOli]

Pac V Hatton is back on by the looks of things.

Lets face it, most you guys who dislike Hatton with a passion can deal with him beating the likes of Bradley (that is why you want those fights - the wins are easy to brush aside), but should he ever turn the bookies odds and beat Pac - have that name on his resume with a W next to it - you guys are eating humble pie for a long, long time.

[GazOC]

Wont make a blind bit of diffrence. Its abundantly clear the only thing Ricky is interested in is money. He takes on the least risk for the best reward. I mean Hatton Marquez? Give me a fucking break. Not long ago Marquez was a featherweight. And Ricky cant find a live body at 140 to fight? Why keep calling himself the best man at 140 when he wont fight the best fighters at his weight? He refused to face Witter. He certainly isnt going to face Bradley Torres or Holt. His talked himself out of Pac because he believes he deserves and even split even though its abundantly clear the star here is PacMan and not him. And yet his same line is "im doing this for me fans" He then delivers us Lazcano who hadnt fought in 18 months and Paulie which was a PPV failure and by FAR the weakest belt holder in 140lbs history. Ricky is a consumate fraud. Fuck him.

I can think of one weaker 140 champ right off the top of my head.....the fighter that Malinaggi won the title from. There have been plenty of 'iffy' titlists at 140 over the years, Paulie isn't the weakest, let alone "by far".:roll:

Lascano was a comeback fight after a big loss, all fighters do it but its only a problem for some people when its Hatton. Strange eh?

Hattons had a pretty good run of opponents since he beat Zoo, not great but decent enough and better than most world class boxers in that time frame. If Hatton beat Bradley tomorrow you wouldn't give him any credit because Bradley only has 2 opponents on his entire record. He may as well go after a proven "name".

[hit me HARDER]

It's back on is it not???

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[GazOC]

Looks like Manny has taken the 52/48. Lets hope Hatton doesn't pull out now....;)

[JamboGoz]

I really hope this is back on and Hatton does what I expect he will, which is knock the shit out of that greedy little fuckers rib cage until he crumbles. ;)

[dan-b]

I really hope this is back on and Hatton does what I expect he will, which is knock the shit out of that greedy little fuckers rib cage until he crumbles. ;)

"Greedy little fucker"? It's abundantly clear there is a distinct lack of actual boxing fans on here these days.:roll:

[mrbassie]

Pac V Hatton is back on by the looks of things.

Lets face it, most you guys who dislike Hatton with a passion can deal with him beating the likes of Bradley (that is why you want those fights - the wins are easy to brush aside), but should he ever turn the bookies odds and beat Pac - have that name on his resume with a W next to it - you guys are eating humble pie for a long, long time.

You're really childish, do you know that? There are live bodies at 140 but we all only want them to get a title shot so we can discredit the win afterwards?
Jesus christ, grow up. Start thinking about the good of the sport instead of Hatton's bank account.

[JamboGoz]

"Greedy little fucker"? It's abundantly clear there is a distinct lack of actual boxing fans on here these days.:roll:

I'm not a boxing fan because......?

Because I feel Pac should have accepted the 50/50, bearing in mind Hatton brings much more money to the table than Pac does. I genuinely DO think he was being a greedy little fucker.

I do love guys like you that throw comments like "not a real fan" about. Never fails to amuse me with regards to how far your heads are up your very own chorus and verses.

[scurlaruntings]

I'm not a boxing fan because......?

Because I feel Pac should have accepted the 50/50, bearing in mind Hatton brings much more money to the table than Pac does. I genuinely DO think he was being a greedy little fucker.

I do love guys like you that throw comments like "not a real fan" about. Never fails to amuse me with regards to how far your heads are up your very own chorus and verses.Ok comparing Pac and Hatton is like comparing Apple with Microsoft or McDonalds with Burger King. Ricky may taste good to the average pug but lets be real his nothing more than a well marketted fighter who`s making a killing of arm chair fans like yourself. Pac is a legit and modern day ATG and certainly deserves the lions share. If Ricky wanted this fight he would have made it. Much like all his other mooted clashes with Cotto, Judah, Ward, etc over the years as he rose through the ranks with his WBU strap in towe his delivered sweet FA. And yet somehow the reasoning is his the draw because he has 10,000 stupid Man City fans in towe? Thats not boxing its a fucking fraternity.

[dan-b]

I'm not a boxing fan because......?

Because I feel Pac should have accepted the 50/50, bearing in mind Hatton brings much more money to the table than Pac does. I genuinely DO think he was being a greedy little fucker.

I do love guys like you that throw comments like "not a real fan" about. Never fails to amuse me with regards to how far your heads are up your very own chorus and verses.

Because it's clear you are a Hatton fan, with him being your primary concern. What's more amusing than my percieved condescending remarks is you, as a Hatton fan, feeling you're in a position to criticise someone for greed.

You seem, also, to be very quick to write disparaging remarks about the best fighter in the world. Not really the actions oif a boxing fan who should, at least, understand why Pacqiaou may want a larger slice of the pie.

Anyway, I'm just glad the fight's on. People need to spend less time jumping to conclusions based on the word of a few people on the internet.

[JamboGoz]

Ok comparing Pac and Hatton is like comparing Apple with Microsoft or McDonalds with Burger King. Ricky may taste good to the average pug but lets be real his nothing more than a well marketted fighter who`s making a killing of arm chair fans like yourself. Pac is a legit and modern day ATG and certainly deserves the lions share. If Ricky wanted this fight he would have made it. Much like all his other mooted clashes with Cotto, Judah, Ward, etc over the years as he rose through the ranks with his WBU strap in towe his delivered sweet FA. And yet somehow the reasoning is his the draw because he has 10,000 stupid Man City fans in towe? Thats not boxing its a fucking fraternity.

No its not, its nothing like that at all. Whils I totally agree with you about Pac being an ATG this generally does not dictate who gets the lions share of the purse. There is no way Pac would have accepted a reported £30/35% of the odlh purse if that were the case. Surely at the very least, going with your reasoning, that should have been a 50/50 split?

You are and always have been a Hatton hater so there is no point in trying to argue with you about Hattons opponents so I will not go there, its been done to death. My own opinion and that of many many posters on here and so called experts is that hatton has a good resume.

"10,000 stupid Man City fans in towe" Now you really are acting like a dumbass. It does suit you though,. I must say. ;)

[JamboGoz]

Because it's clear you are a Hatton fan, with him being your primary concern. What's more amusing than my percieved condescending remarks is you, as a Hatton fan, feeling you're in a position to criticise someone for greed.

You seem, also, to be very quick to write disparaging remarks about the best fighter in the world. Not really the actions oif a boxing fan who should, at least, understand why Pacqiaou may want a larger slice of the pie.

Anyway, I'm just glad the fight's on. People need to spend less time jumping to conclusions based on the word of a few people on the internet.

I am a Hatton fan and my primary concern was the fight being made. It looks like it has been now but going by the reports and the comments from Arum/Roach etc I was pissed at the way Pac seemed to be handling negotiations. Hence my comments that I stand by. Apart from PBF, Pac knows Hatton is where the money is and who will bring more.

I do understand why he would want a larger slice of the pie, I just don't agree that he should get it though. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan.

"Anyway, I'm just glad the fight's on"
Amen to that :good

[scurlaruntings]

No its not, its nothing like that at all. Whils I totally agree with you about Pac being an ATG this generally does not dictate who gets the lions share of the purse. There is no way Pac would have accepted a reported £30/35% of the odlh purse if that were the case. Surely at the very least, going with your reasoning, that should have been a 50/50 split?

You are and always have been a Hatton hater so there is no point in trying to argue with you about Hattons opponents so I will not go there, its been done to death. My own opinion and that of many many posters on here and so called experts is that hatton has a good resume.

"10,000 stupid Man City fans in towe" Now you really are acting like a dumbass. It does suit you though,. I must say. ;)The reason why Pac accepted DLH`s offer is because he was fighting for the GLORY! Hatton needs to take a leaf out of his book and realise that Manny a former flyweight didnt become the best fighter in the world by beating up bums. He did it by beating the best. Thus by any reasoning its abundantly clear Pac is more than deserving of 60/40 split. Now seeing as iv sat through the entirity of Hattons career including his WBU waster years i am more than entitled to give him the due stick that he deserves because his given NOTHING back to British boxing but he has taken much. Now if you were a "fan" of boxing you`d know for a fact that ****** routinely used to pack the M.E.N with backwards ManCity fans who thought there boy was a world champ. Now lets look at this logically on the basis of WHICH opponents on Hattons extremely poor ledger does he deserve a 50/50 split?

[TFFP]

I think you are fighting a losing battle there.

These Hatton fans think because he brings over drunken football fans he deserves more. At the end of this, they both look like greedy cunts for haggling over a few million out of a huge purse when they already have enough to last 10 lifetimes over.

On a boxing basis, its clear who deserves more. What Hatton needs to realise is Pacquiao has fought all the best fighters, he's p4p #1, and if Hatton really wants the achievement he should man up and take whatevers on the table. He should take a little cut to realise sporting ambition. Pacquiao has done that in the past, but Hatton is a greedy little fuck.

[JamboGoz]

The reason why Pac accepted DLH`s offer is because he was fighting for the GLORY! Hatton needs to take a leaf out of his book and realise that Manny a former flyweight didnt become the best fighter in the world by beating up bums. He did it by beating the best. Thus by any reasoning its abundantly clear Pac is more than deserving of 60/40 split. Now seeing as iv sat through the entirity of Hattons career including his WBU waster years i am more than entitled to give him the due stick that he deserves because his given NOTHING back to British boxing but he has taken much. Now if you were a "fan" of boxing you`d know for a fact that ****** routinely used to pack the M.E.N with backwards ManCity fans who thought there boy was a world champ. Now lets look at this logically on the basis of WHICH opponents on Hattons extremely poor ledger does he deserve a 50/50 split?


"The reason why Pac accepted DLH`s offer is because he was fighting for the GLORY"

Yeah man. That's it. GLORY! Fuck all to do with money eh? Just GLORY. Naive man, extremely naive.

I told you I wasn't going into Hattons resume, and I aint.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think you are fighting a losing battle there.

These Hatton fans think because he brings over drunken football fans he deserves more. At the end of this, they both look like greedy cunts for haggling over a few million out of a huge purse when they already have enough to last 10 lifetimes over.

On a boxing basis, its clear who deserves more. What Hatton needs to realise is Pacquiao has fought all the best fighters, he's p4p #1, and if Hatton really wants the achievement he should man up and take whatevers on the table. He should take a little cut to realise sporting ambition. Pacquiao has done that in the past, but Hatton is a greedy little fuck.

The love is shining through ;)

[scurlaruntings]

"The reason why Pac accepted DLH`s offer is because he was fighting for the GLORY"

Yeah man. That's it. GLORY! Fuck all to do with money eh? Just GLORY. Naive man, extremely naive.

I told you I wasn't going into Hattons resume, and I aint.You dont get it do you. :lol:

[JonOli]

They both come across as rather greedy considering the millions they stood to gain anyway.

Still, I don't think their bank accounts is really our concern, and personally I'm quite pleased that the fight, what is a big fight, is back on.

[TFFP]

52% to whoop Hatton's ass will be fun. Can't wait.

[Beeston Brawler]

You prepared to stick your avatar on the line?

[TFFP]

I only do that when the opposition's avatar distresses me, as GazOC's did when he had that shemale.

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol:

Don't suppose Gordon Strachan could.

Does Ishy still have Ian Bell?

[TFFP]

Strachan is ginger and loves Man Utd. What's not to like! :good

I don't know but I'm sure ishy will agree with me regardless.

[Beeston Brawler]

Loves Man Utd so much that he later became one of Leeds's best ever players!

[TFFP]

In retrospect he realises where he had his best years. He's always blowing Man Utd's trumpet these days before CL games. Best team in the world this, best player in the universe that :yep When does he talk about Leeds :blood

You know its bad when a Scottish ginger midget snubs you.

[Beeston Brawler]

In retrospect he realises where he had his best years. He's always blowing Man Utd's trumpet these days before CL games. Best team in the world this, best player in the universe that :yep When does he talk about Leeds :blood

You know its bad when a Scottish ginger midget snubs you.

I felt his best years were either with us or Aberdeen.

When does anyone talk about Leeds, other than piss taking or as an example of how not to run a football club on a financial footing..... :?

It's weird, two Scottish ginger midgets were our best two captains ever.

[ishy]

:lol:

Don't suppose Gordon Strachan could.

Does Ishy still have Ian Bell?

Strachan is ginger and loves Man Utd. What's not to like! :good

I don't know but I'm sure ishy will agree with me regardless.

I've removed Bell-end from my avatar but on the lookout for a decent Jonathan Trott one :hey.

Not decided on Hatton-Pac yet. Hatton has a very good chance, and people are overrating Pac based on his last two fights.

[Beeston Brawler]

In response to your Jonathan Trott one I will upload one of Nathan Bracken (preferably with his wife and a normal haircut).

By far the most underrated bowler there is!