Barrera-Khan surgery..... let look at the FACTS and OPINIONS

[brown bomber]

Opinion-Barrera Khan will lead the winner into a world title fight, no doubt. Khan wins Nate Campbell will be heavily compensated to vacate. Barrera wins I think Nate hangs on to he title.

Opinion- Barrera hasn't put in a 'typical Barrera' performance since the beating Paulie Ayala..... wait for it... just short of five years ago.

Fact- the indifferent performance against Pacman came nearly six years ago.

Fact- Barrera has had just 5 bouts in the time khan has been a proffesional.

Fact- Sammy Ventura, the man who took Barrera four rounds before retiring in his last fight, had suffered 16 stoppage losses in his 19 defeats.

Opinion- Barrera has always struggled with fighters who can match his workrate and speed.

Opinion- He was outgamed by Marquez and Pacman because he hasn't got 'it' anymore.

Opinion- Barrera has neither the attitude or style required to beat Khan. He will be out maneuvered, outworked and may even wave the white flag, pacman style.

Opinion- Just because the WBO still rate Barrera doesn't mean anyone else has to.

Fact- Barrera has the power to KO khan if he lads a big one.

Fact- Despite mad biceps Barrera is absolutely tiny at the weight... He's smaller then Gomez.

Opinion- Barrera Vs Khan could turn out to be a horrible mis match.

Fact- Khan beats Barerra and only the naive will believe.

Fact- Prime for Prime Barrera is so many miles ahead of Khan its untrue....

[toffeejack]

Opinion - Frank ****** has pulled a masterstoke in picking Barrera for this one.

A lot the public will be raving about Khan again after (in my opinion) he stops Barrera late or wins a UD, whilst forgetting that Barrera has never fought at this weight, and is WAY past it, where as Khan is big at the weight and has youth, speed and all physical attributes on his side apart from his dodgy chin.

I can't see Khan losing this unless he gets careless which he is prone to doing. Prime Barrera would absolutely destroy him though even with the size difference.

I really hope Barrera takes him to school though!

[brown bomber]

Super Bantam,young Barrera blows away lightweight Khan.

[TommyV]

I disagree that Khan would beat Campbell. Nate, while not elite, is a world-class fighter with power. I think he'd take Khan out inside 3 or 4 rounds easy.

[kosaros]

I don't think Jeff was saying Campbell would be beaten by Khan - just that Campbell might vacate the title if Khan wins against Barrera - I think!

[kosaros]

Fact - Barrera should have retired two years ago.

Fact - The whole fight will be in tatters if Barrera loses his next fight scheduled for the end of January (according to boxrec).

Opinion - This will be Barrera's last fight if Khan were to win, which I think he will.

[brown bomber]

I disagree that Khan would beat Campbell. Nate, while not elite, is a world-class fighter with power. I think he'd take Khan out inside 3 or 4 rounds easy.Hmm you need to read again. Nate is khans nightmare.

[Beatboxer]

FACT - Barrera is 35 years old and is fighting at an unatural weight class for him.

OPINION - He is well past his prime and hasn't been elite in a fair few years.

OPINION - At this stage Khan is too big, too fast, too elusive for Barrera to track down...Khan will win and look good in doing so.

OPINION - ****** realises this and hence why he made the fight, a promotional stroke of genuius and one that has certainly got my attention it has to be said.

OPINION - Prime Barrera mullers Khan regardless of size difference.

[brown bomber]

Opinion...... John Murray would beat Barrera

Fact- Khan is in a lose lose situation with knowledgable fight fans.

Opinion- The fight sells but it doesn't convince.

[John18]

Fact- Khan is in a lose lose situation with knowledgable fight fans.

Opinion- The fight sells but it doesn't convince.

Agreed.

[faisal]

Opinion...... John Murray would beat Barrera

Fact- Khan is in a lose lose situation with knowledgable fight fans.

Opinion- The fight sells but it doesn't convince.
based off the lee meager and mcalister fights:lol: even a shot to pieces berrara is like a sugar ray robinson in front of those 2

[TFFP]

FACT - Jeff is gay, and has homosexual relations with Baileys_tune

[brown bomber]

FACT - Jeff is gay, and has homosexual relations with Baileys_tuneFACT- TFFP is a forum bully:nono

[TFFP]

OPINION - That's not true

FACT - I don't know who is going to win this fight, its incredibly difficult to call for many reasons. I don't think anybody can make a firm pick on this fight, not unless there is some footage out there of Barrera's last fight. I suppose his "warm up" fight might give a good indication.

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where is el terrible these days?

[brown bomber]

OPINION - That's not true

FACT - I don't know who is going to win this fight, its incredibly difficult to call for many reasons. I don't think anybody can make a firm pick on this fight, not unless there is some footage out there of Barrera's last fight. I suppose his "warm up" fight might give a good indication.:lol:

Opinion- Its unusual that there has not been one interview with Barrera bout this alleged fight.

Fact- I'm still not convinced the board will approve someone who has had brain surgery.

[LiamE]

Opinion - Everyone has one.

Fact - Hard to come by in the general forum.

[mrplow182]

Why has everyone turned into Rafa Benitez??

[zico2010]

I don't think Jeff was saying Campbell would be beaten by Khan - just that Campbell might vacate the title if Khan wins against Barrera - I think!


No way would he vacate. He wants big money fights, and reckons khan would be a pushover. Check this from about 9.23

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[zico2010]

Fact - Barrera is past his best

Fact - Small declines in speed, reflexes, punch resistance and stamina can
mean boxers lose to opponents they would KO in 4 back in their prime

Fact - Barrera is tiny at L/W, while Khan is huge.

Fact - Prime Barrera V Prime Khan would never have happened since they would be at least 2 weight divisions apart

Opinion - Khan's speed & accuracy will trouble any fighter, while his dodgy chin gives any fighter a chance of a KO

Opinion - Roach will tighten up Khan's defence.

Opinion - Khan is too big, too fast, too fresh and too powerful for a faded Barrera.

Opinion - This is a far more straightforward fight for Khan than first appears. Khan stops Barrera in 6 or thereabouts, and looks good doing it.

[SteelTownCobra]

Opinion - Khan beats a faded Barrera.

Opinion - JMM beats Khan every day of the week.

Opinion - Manny beats Khan every day of the week.

Opinion - Nate Campbell beats Khan.

Opinion - Juan Diaz beats Khan.

Opinion - Khan moves up to LWW after beating Barrera.

Opinion - Hatton beats Khan every day of the week.

Opinion - Timothy Bradley beats Khan.

Opinion - Khan beats Andreas Kotelnik, assuming Kotelnik beats Marcos Maidana (don't put Khan in the same ring as a puncher like Maidana though)

Opinion - Khan has a chance against Holt or Torres, assuming he gets through the first few rounds.

Fact - Khan has to move up to LWW if he wants to win a world title in the near future. He isn't winning one at LW. (OK that's still opinion but I haven't put a fact in yet)

OK, Fact - If Khan gets sparked again it'll be a disaster for him. Especially in the first round. He's gonna be extemely cautious in the first few rounds.

[D-MAC]

FACT - Barrera has gone the distance with the P-4-P No.1 and No.2 in the world (Ring Magazine) in two of his last three fights.

OPINION - The scorecards in those fights were too wide; Barrera was competitive with both Marquez and Pacquiao through at least 8 rounds. I had JMM and Pac pulling out the wins, but not by huge margins.

FACT - Barrera has massive physical disadvantages to overcome against Khan (speed, punch power, height, reach, core strength and probably stamina).

OPINION - Someone in Khan's camp, probably Roach rather than ******, has insider knowledge regarding a slippage in Barrera's reflexes and/or punch resistance in sparring, leading them to conclude that this has turned from a high-risk/high reward bout to a medium risk/high reward bout.

OPINION - If Khan blows Barrera out Amir will be hailed as the second coming of Ali by ******, and this version will be believed by gullible Joe Public. But, for true boxing fans the manner of the victory will be all important in how they gauge the merit of the win (if Barrera looks shit in there I will be toning down my praise for Khan).

[mrbassie]

Fact: Barrera's losses to pac (2nd) and Marquez were hardly blowouts, he had something left when those fights happened.

Fact: Khan can't punch

Fact: Barrera can

Fact: Khan can't take a punch

Fact: Barrera can

Fact: If Barrera loses it means he is utterly shot, size and weight not withstanding

Fact: Barrera is (or was) a great fighter

Fact: Khan isn't and never will be

Fact: If Khan wins the media will have an orgasm and all of us who acually follow boxingand have even the vaguest iea of how it is will vomit

Fact: This fight is only happening because Barrera is old and not a lightweight

Fact: ****** will never put Khan in with a puncher again and never with a world class fighter

Fact: Khan will eventually leave ******, fight a puncher and be ko'd again

Opinion: Khan will never fight Thaxton, Murrey or Mitchell, at least two of which are certain ko losses.

[mrbassie]

FACT - Barrera has gone the distance with the P-4-P No.1 and No.2 in the world (Ring Magazine) in two of his last three fights.

OPINION - The scorecards in those fights were too wide; Barrera was competitive with both Marquez and Pacquiao through at least 8 rounds. I had JMM and Pac pulling out the wins, but not by huge margins.


Agreed

FACT - Barrera has massive physical disadvantages to overcome against Khan (speed, punch power, height, reach, core strength and probably stamina).
Khan Khouldn't crack an egg.

OPINION - Someone in Khan's camp, probably Roach rather than ******, has insider knowledge regarding a slippage in Barrera's reflexes and/or punch resistance in sparring, leading them to conclude that this has turned from a high-risk/high reward bout to a medium risk/high reward bout.
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OPINION - If Khan blows Barrera out Amir will be hailed as the second coming of Ali by ******, and this version will be believed by gullible Joe Public. But, for true boxing fans the manner of the victory will be all important in how they gauge the merit of the win (if Barrera looks shit in there I will be toning down my praise for Khan).
regardless of the manner of the supposed win, if it happens, Barrera's shot or at least past it, or it's a fix.

I'm just waiting for someone to call me racist for being a realist. I'm not more a racist than Prescott is (Breidis, not Jack).

[D-MAC]

Khan Khouldn't crack an egg.




I know he is more of an accumulation puncher, but at LW I have got to believe that he packs more of a dig than Barrera.

[PaddyD1983]

Opinion - Khan beats a faded Barrera.

Fact - JMM beats Khan every day of the week.

Fact - Manny beats Khan every day of the week.

Fact - Nate Campbell beats Khan.

Fact - Juan Diaz beats Khan.

Fact - Hatton beats Khan every day of the week.

Fact - Timothy Bradley beats Khan.

I fixed these for you

[mrbassie]

I know he is more of an accumulation puncher, but at LW I have got to believe that he packs more of a dig than Barrera.

why? because you've watched him shoe shine a few no hopers and the refs who've read the script wave the fight off?
He's a hype job. A confident Audley.

[D-MAC]

why? because you've watched him shoe shine a few no hopers and the refs who've read the script wave the fight off?
He's a hype job. A confident Audley.

You must really hate the guy.

Im no fan either, but I think it is generally recognised that he has good power at LW, very good speed at LW and terrible punch resistance (at any weight).

Barrera hasn't exactly been a KO machine the last few years, even taking into account the level of comp. And I'm finding it hard to remember many one punch KO's from him in the last ten years.

Fuck Khan's level of competition; he's a big LW who throws punches in a correct manner, and he throws them with speed. I don't think there can be any argument that Khan will be the bigger puncher of the two.

[hitman_hatton1]

barrera ain't shot.

he's had some good wins since ayala.

and gave marquez and pac decent arguments.

especially marquez. :bbb

he's still got more than enuff to sort khan out. :good

[hitman_hatton1]

And I'm finding it hard to remember many one punch KO's from him in the last ten years.

fana fight.

a guy with a padded record and got taken out in the 2nd rd with a big right hander.

he's never been a one punch guy anyway.

he always takes u apart bit by bit.

but he has the power to hurt khan.

he's better than gomez and gomez gave amir a struggle. :bbb

[brown bomber]

fana fight.

a guy with a padded record and got taken out in the 2nd rd with a big right hander.

he's never been a one punch guy anyway.

he always takes u apart bit by bit.

but he has the power to hurt khan.

he's better than gomez and gomez gave amir a struggle. :bbb Fana was/is a good fighter, very talented... Not the best chin in the world but definately took a better crack then Khan. Barrera lacks one punch KO's becuase of the standard of opposition he's been fighting. He was without doubt a sharp, murderous puncher.

[D-MAC]

fana fight.

a guy with a padded record and got taken out in the 2nd rd with a big right hander.

he's never been a one punch guy anyway.

he always takes u apart bit by bit.

but he has the power to hurt khan.

he's better than gomez and gomez gave amir a struggle. :bbb

That was one of the fights I remember, even then he stunned him first and then finished him off (it wasn't a "100% one punch KO", even though I would say that Fana would probably have been gone from the first shot and Marco just put an exclamation mark on things).

Barrera can hurt Khan and stop him, of course...so could Ivan Calderon; I was just saying that Khan has to be seen as the puncher in the fight, ie: he throws a more powerful punch than Barrera. I don't think that can be argued with.

[D-MAC]

Fana fight:

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Stunned Fana with the right, then moved in and finished him with another right.

[Darni187]

Now that I have had the time to think about the fight, Khan is going to go down in history as the man to retire MAB and maybe even stop him in the first half of the fight via a towel being thrown in the ring by the MAB camp when Khan gets him in a crazy fast combo.

[brown bomber]

Now that I have had the time to think about the fight, Khan is going to go down in history as the man to retire MAB and maybe even stop him in the first half of the fight via a towel being thrown in the ring by the MAB camp when Khan gets him in a crazy fast combo.
Wow what an accolade... Grover Wiley is a household name isn't he?

[D-MAC]

Wow what an accolade... Grover Wiley is a household name isn't he?

Give Darni time Jeff, he'll have to wiki that name first to find out what you are talking about.

[PaddyD1983]

Now that I have had the time to think about the fight, Khan is going to go down in history as the man to retire MAB and maybe even stop him in the first half of the fight via a towel being thrown in the ring by the MAB camp when Khan gets him in a crazy fast combo.

This is my worst fear. A shot to bits MAB being embarrassed by Khan but refusing to go down.

[Darni187]

Wow what an accolade... Grover Wiley is a household name isn't he?

MAB is no Grover Wiley. Barrera is much better than Khan fighting part-time boxers like Fagan.

[Dibbs]

The reason this fight was made is simple, Khan lost alot of credibility with the Prescott loss, mainly because of the hype machine going into overdrive on every outing Khan had. So to have this 'myth' machine destroyed in 54 seconds was like blowing up the Deathstar in Star Wars.



And so onto Barrera, at first glance it seemed a good and surprising match-up, but true boxing fans know that Barrera's best years are behind him, and the fight is being sold on the Barrera name hoping that will hide the fading talent that made him a legend in the sport.

Khan has a consistant boxing cv which consists of fighting boxers of lighter weight groups or 'named' fighters well past their best, if boxing is in decline it's because if these kinds of match-up's. I would much rather hear 'it should be a 50/50 fight as both boxers are in their prime', but that appears to be wishful thinking, while the word 'legend' is heard all to frequently to sell past champions to the point where they become stepping stones for boxers afraid to take the 'real' fights.

[D-MAC]

MAB is no Grover Wiley. Barrera is much better than Khan fighting part-time boxers like Fagan.

:lol:

He's not comparing Barrera to Grover Wiley...if you know the backstory to the JCC - Wiley fight you should realise what Jeff is getting at.

[ishy]

Give Darni time Jeff, he'll have to wiki that name first to find out what you are talking about.
:lol::good

MAB is no Grover Wiley. Barrera is much better than Khan fighting part-time boxers like Fagan.

:patsch He was referring to Wiley making an ancient JCC retire.

[Darni187]

:lol:

He's not comparing Barrera to Grover Wiley...if you know the backstory to the JCC - Wiley fight you should realise what Jeff is getting at.

Sorry i have not seen that fight.

[brown bomber]

MAB is no Grover Wiley. Barrera is much better than Khan fighting part-time boxers like Fagan.:lol::lol::lol: I fucking love Khan fans..

[brown bomber]

Sorry i have not seen that fight.:huhWow I thought you'd have definately seen that one..

[D-MAC]

Sorry i have not seen that fight.

Its nothing special; not really worth a watch in itself (as a boxing spectacle), but a significant fight.

Julio Cesar Chavez (Mexican legend) was retired by Grover Wiley (a journeyman fighter).

What Jeff was trying to get at, I think, was that Khan will not get buckets of praise if he beats a Chavez-esque version of Barrera (another Mexican legend), just like Wiley doesn't for his victory (it was just a shot Chavez he fought - used to be a great fighter, but well past his best by that stage).

[brown bomber]

Its nothing special; not really worth a watch in itself, but a significant fight.

Julio Cesar Chavez (Mexican legend) was retired by Grover Wiley (a journeyman fighter).

What Jeff was trying to get at, I think, was that Khan will not get buckets of praise if he beats a Chavez-esque version of Barrera (another Mexican legend), just like Wiley doesn't for his victory (it was just a shot Chavez he fought - used to be a great fighter, but well past his best by that stage). McBride- Tyson, even Williams-Tyson... Lawton-Arguello, Joppy-Duran, Camacho-Leonard.....

[Darni187]

Its nothing special; not really worth a watch in itself, but a significant fight.

Julio Cesar Chavez (Mexican legend) was retired by Grover Wiley (a journeyman fighter).

What Jeff was trying to get at, I think, was that Khan will not get buckets of praise if he beats a Chavez-esque version of Barrera (another Mexican legend), just like Wiley doesn't for his victory (it was just a shot Chavez he fought - used to be a great fighter, but well past his best by that stage).

The thing is pride is what keeps MAB going, he should of retired 2 years ago. If Khan makes MAB look real bad then its not Khan's fault, Old fighters never know when to quit just like Holyfield, RJJ.

[brown bomber]

The thing is pride is what keeps MAB going, he should of retired 2 years ago. If Khan makes MAB look real bad then its not Khan's fault, Old fighters never know when to quit just like Holyfield, RJJ.
what was your favourite holyfield performance? Pre-Tyson 1?

[ishy]

what was your favourite holyfield performance? Pre-Tyson 1?

:lol:

[Darni187]

what was your favourite holyfield performance? Pre-Tyson 1?

You taking the piss, iam 26, i was little kid when Holyfield pre Tyson fights took place. But I did see both Tyson and Holyfield fights when the ear chewing took place :|. Plus Holyfield is too boring for me.

[D-MAC]

McBride- Tyson, even Williams-Tyson... Lawton-Arguello, Joppy-Duran, Camacho-Leonard.....

That list could go on forever...such a shame.

[brown bomber]

You taking the piss, iam 26, i was little kid when Holyfield pre Tyson fights took place. But I did see both Tyson and Holyfield fights when the ear chewing took place :|. Plus Holyfield is too boring for me.So was I, In fact when my favourite ever fighter was active (Joe Louis) I wasn't even born. Which is kind of the point i'm making... You not really in a great position to comment on his abilities if you don't know the game properly are you?

[D-MAC]

So was I, In fact when my favourite ever fighter was active (Joe Louis) I wasn't even born. Which is kind of the point i'm making... You not really in a great position to comment on his abilities if you don't know the game properly are you?

Jeff Thomas "crackin the ol whip" :twisted:

Good job Jeff, gotta make sure this place doesn't turn into the General Forum.

[brown bomber]

Jeff Thomas "crackin the ol whip" :twisted:

Good job Jeff, gotta make sure this place doesn't turn into the General Forum.Just seem to be over run with muppets recently... Its ok been new to the sport and contributing to a forum so long as your willing to take on board whats been said. When your new and come on here speaking like you already know it just makes you look a cock.

:D

[mrbassie]

You must really hate the guy.

Im no fan either, but I think it is generally recognised that he has good power at LW, very good speed at LW and terrible punch resistance (at any weight).

Barrera hasn't exactly been a KO machine the last few years, even taking into account the level of comp. And I'm finding it hard to remember many one punch KO's from him in the last ten years.

Fuck Khan's level of competition; he's a big LW who throws punches in a correct manner, and he throws them with speed. I don't think there can be any argument that Khan will be the bigger puncher of the two.

Don't hate him at all, I've never met, spoken to or corresponded with the guy. Why should I hate him? That's a really childish line in argument. I don't think he is or ever will be world class so I have to hate him? I just don't buy the media crap. He doesn't have power or a chin and you can't get away with having neither. I'm not a fan of course, I don't particularly care for novices getting the silver spoon treatment though, winning a medal means very little in this day and age, amateur boxing was ruined by the change in scoring system. In his defence he's fast as fuck and can put his punches together. "Barrera hasn't exactly been a KO machine the last few years, even taking into account the level of comp. And I'm finding it hard to remember many one punch KO's from him in the last ten years." I could say the same thing about Willie Limond though.

[mrbassie]

Khan has a consistant boxing cv which consists of fighting boxers of lighter weight groups or 'named' fighters well past their best, if boxing is in decline it's because if these kinds of match-up's. I would much rather hear 'it should be a 50/50 fight as both boxers are in their prime', but that appears to be wishful thinking, while the word 'legend' is heard all to frequently to sell past champions to the point where they become stepping stones for boxers afraid to take the 'real' fights.

Standard practice for Sports Network.

[D-MAC]

Don't hate him at all, I've never met, spoken to or corresponded with the guy. Why should I hate him? That's a really childish line in argument. I don't think he is or ever will be world class so I have to hate him? I just don't buy the media crap. He doesn't have power or a chin and you can't get away with having neither. I'm not a fan of course, I don't particularly care for novices getting the silver spoon treatment though, winning a medal means very little in this day and age, amateur boxing was ruined by the change in scoring system. In his defence he's fast as fuck and can put his punches together. "Barrera hasn't exactly been a KO machine the last few years, even taking into account the level of comp. And I'm finding it hard to remember many one punch KO's from him in the last ten years." I could say the same thing about Willie Limond though.

I wasn't referring to punch resistance, I was talking about punch power.

Try and convince me that Barrera is the bigger puncher in this fight.

If you're gonna quote me and have a dig about my original analysis, you should at least stick to the subject being discussed (ie: punch power); get back to me.

[steelem]

Ths is a joke fight - barrera is totally shot !!

[Darni187]

Just seem to be over run with muppets recently... Its ok been new to the sport and contributing to a forum so long as your willing to take on board whats been said. When your new and come on here speaking like you already know it just makes you look a cock.

:D

I started watching boxing when Iron Mike Tyson took to the stage late 80's early 90's , you see I only like fighters with either great power or great speed.

Fighters I like

Tyson (speed and power)
Nassem Hamed (speed and power)
RJJ ( Speed and power)
Mayweather Jr ( Speed underrated power)
Pacman ( Speed and great work rate)
Amir Khan (Speed)
Berto (Speed and Power)

I only like exciting fighters, otherwise I get bored. Plus i dont care what you know about boxing.

[Pug1list]

Don't let the boxing 'experts' know that, surely they are the only ones who can comment on the sport.

[TommyV]

I apologise for thinking you ment Khan could beat Nate. That was an awful insult.

[brown bomber]

I started watching boxing when Iron Mike Tyson took to the stage late 80's early 90's , you see I only like fighters with either great power or great speed.

Fighters I like

Tyson (speed and power)
Nassem Hamed (speed and power)
RJJ ( Speed and power)
Mayweather Jr ( Speed underrated power)
Pacman ( Speed and great work rate)
Amir Khan (Speed)
Berto (Speed and Power)

I only like exciting fighters, otherwise I get bored. Plus i dont care what you know about boxing. ok i get it so you can only school me about quick, powerful, flashy fighters?

Wicked. What did you think of terry norris?

[brown bomber]

Don't let the boxing 'experts' know that, surely they are the only ones who can comment on the sport. look don't get me because amir isn't responding to your love e.mails.

[Neverchair]

The shame of this is, if Barrera beats Khan, then the career of a good young British prospect will plummet.
If Khan beats Barrera he will no doubt be accused of labouring over an old shot fighter (unless its a convincing win which is doubtful).

It would be a terrible way for Barrera to go out too.

Doesnt do too much for boxing does it?

[brown bomber]

never chair. Your right but in the public will by into this big time. ******s a master at this kind of thing.

[Darni187]

ok i get it so you can only school me about quick, powerful, flashy fighters?

Wicked. What did you think of terry norris?

Did I say i can school you?, can you read?, dont care about what people like you think or say, that fact is every body has a view thats why we are here on ESB. If you dont agree with what I say then good for you, I dont really give a monkeys nuts.

Khan to win by TKO, inside 8 rounds.

[PaddyD1983]

Did I say i can school you?, can you read?, dont care about what people like you think or say, that fact is every body has a view thats why we are here on ESB. If you dont agree with what I say then good for you, I dont really give a monkeys nuts.

Khan to win by TKO, inside 8 rounds.

Not sure where this all got a bit nuts.

But to be fair Darni, I think the point being made, which was lost somewhere - is that many people come into forums such as these when being relatively new to the sport. Its fine to say I think X or Y, but if someone has been watching/involved in the sport for years then surely their opinion must be at least worth considering.

Now I've disagreed with a number of people on here on a number of different issues, but there are only a small number whose opinions I'd dismiss out of hand. The vast majority on here know what they're talking about and even if you dont agree, it's worth taking what they say on board. In fact, I'd say it even amplifies your enjoyment of the sport.

For example, you say you only like fighters who are powerful or fast. Nothing wrong with that given that they are generally the highlight reel boxers. But as you get more familiar with the sport with fighters and with the specific fights, you will start to appreciate some of the more subtle skills involved. Before you know it Pernell Whitaker will have his poster on your wall!

Back to the point in hand. This is make or break for Khan in the eyes of Joe public. But for boxing fans Khan is in a no win situation. If he's beaten then he's beaten by an old man. If he wins, he's beaten a shot MAB.

Big money, big headlines and I suppose (whether we like it or not) that is all that matters sometimes. I have nothing against Khan and hope he does well. But I'm just not convinced he's good enough to share a ring with MAB.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Barrera W UNA 12 Khan

[widdy]

id hate khan to beat barrera,one of my fave boxers,watched him pre naz(i cheered like fuck when he schooled the gobshite,oh and i not racist)and after naz.
i still can't see him beating a faded barrera,but you never know,fwank might be giving him a mario kinderlin bung:hey

[SouthpawSlayer]

i have a bad feeling about this fight, one of my favourite fighters fighting a complete twat who will say he wants a title shot after beating a too old barrera

[Pug1list]

Its about the money at the end of the day, MAB wants to get paid, can't blame Khan.

[stake501]

McBride- Tyson, even Williams-Tyson... Lawton-Arguello, Joppy-Duran, Camacho-Leonard.....


Zoo - Hatton :lol:

[Darni187]

Not sure where this all got a bit nuts.

But to be fair Darni, I think the point being made, which was lost somewhere - is that many people come into forums such as these when being relatively new to the sport. Its fine to say I think X or Y, but if someone has been watching/involved in the sport for years then surely their opinion must be at least worth considering.

Now I've disagreed with a number of people on here on a number of different issues, but there are only a small number whose opinions I'd dismiss out of hand. The vast majority on here know what they're talking about and even if you dont agree, it's worth taking what they say on board. In fact, I'd say it even amplifies your enjoyment of the sport.

For example, you say you only like fighters who are powerful or fast. Nothing wrong with that given that they are generally the highlight reel boxers. But as you get more familiar with the sport with fighters and with the specific fights, you will start to appreciate some of the more subtle skills involved. Before you know it Pernell Whitaker will have his poster on your wall!

Back to the point in hand. This is make or break for Khan in the eyes of Joe public. But for boxing fans Khan is in a no win situation. If he's beaten then he's beaten by an old man. If he wins, he's beaten a shot MAB.

Big money, big headlines and I suppose (whether we like it or not) that is all that matters sometimes. I have nothing against Khan and hope he does well. But I'm just not convinced he's good enough to share a ring with MAB.

Points taken mate, I was only giving my view on things, maybe some people did not like them. I have been watching boxing on/off for over 15 years, so i do know a thing or two, but I would not say that I am a crazy hardcore fan, but I do love the sport.

[PrideOfWales]

OPINION: Frank ****** likes to make money...

FACT: Barrera is a MASSIVE name in boxing...

FACT: Amir Khan will become even more popular amongst casual sports fans if he beats Barrera

FACT: Amir Khan [The brand] will generate more money by becomming more popular

OPINION: The risk is by far outweighed by the reward

OPINION: Most people will have forgotten who Breidis Prescott is by the time Khan is given a "world" title.

[izzy]

i hope barrera wins although he's not the fighter he used to be with a chin as bad as amirs, it shouldnt be too hard for him

[johnny2sprouts]

Opinion...... John Murray would beat Barrera

Fact- Khan is in a lose lose situation with knowledgable fight fans.

Opinion- The fight sells but it doesn't convince.

I agree as well. After the licks Khan took from Prescott, Frank ****** wouldn't stick Khan in with anyone who had a good shot. It disappointed me to see people talking about how Oisin Fagan would be a good test for Khan.

I would like to see Khan keep his head down and get on with it. Not going on Soccer AM on his way to a Freddie Roach training camp. What has he actually done in the game so far? Olympic Silver medal. None of the medal winners from Beijing have had smoke blown up their arses quite like Khan. He came through at a time when the government needed a poster boy for multi racial Britain which is fine but to a point but he's treated like he has conquered the world already. Nate Campbell would hand his arse to him on plate.

[Pug1list]

Probably because he was 17 at the time, quite an accomplishment.

[ishy]

Probably because he was 17 at the time, quite an accomplishment.

Benitez was a world champ at 17 ;).

[izzy]

i think frank ******s had enough of amir khan.

[johnny2sprouts]

Probably because he was 17 at the time, quite an accomplishment.

That's a fair point. I just think he's been blown out of all proportion. The British mainstream media don't seem to notice the difference between the amateurs and the pros and the different skill sets required to do well in both. Khan comes second with bigger gloves and a head guard and people assume that he's going to take over the world. It's a very British thing to do. Watch them coat him off if he comes unstuck against Barrera. I don't particulalry blame Khan. If my boss continued to tell me my performance was great even though there was massive holes in it I'd believe I was the world's greatest travel agent, (which I'm patently not but don't say it too loud, I've gota baby to feed). I was surprised Freddie Roach took him on but this is make or break I think. He'll be fighting Irish cabbies if he's not careful, (assuming Oisin isn't a cabby).

[robpalmer135]

jeff im gonna be a twat and counter your opinions

Opinion-Barrera Khan will lead the winner into a world title fight, no doubt. Khan wins Nate Campbell will be heavily compensated to vacate. Barrera wins I think Nate hangs on to he title.

I do not think ****** is wary of putting Khan in with Campbell, more the fact that his mandatories would be against guys like Guzman, Marquez, Diaz, Katsidis and so on.

Opinion- Barrera hasn't put in a 'typical Barrera' performance since the beating Paulie Ayala..... wait for it... just short of five years ago.

Barrera was always hit and miss.

Opinion- Barrera has always struggled with fighters who can match his workrate and speed.

true

Opinion- He was outgamed by Marquez and Pacman because he hasn't got 'it' anymore.

They are two of the best fighters in the world. he was competative in both fights.

Opinion- Barrera has neither the attitude or style required to beat Khan. He will be out maneuvered, outworked and may even wave the white flag, pacman style.

although Khan has allot of KO's they are all stopages. he is not a devastating puncher. will khan be able to hit barerra enough times to hurt him. khan has never been near the skills of barerra without a headgaurd on.

Opinion- Just because the WBO still rate Barrera doesn't mean anyone else has to.

who gives a fuck about the WBO

Opinion- Barrera Vs Khan could turn out to be a horrible mis match.

this could be true either way


the main fact i am considering is that no matter how much khan has improved, if barrera catches him, which he will, khan will go down. barrera will not let him of the hook like gomez and limmond did.

[LeadLeftHook]

Agreed Barrera is past his prime. Barely over a year ago, Barrera fought Pacquiao in a competitive fight, in which Barrera did much better second time than when they a few years back in which he was demolished by Pacman. Next, Barrera fights a journeymen and does what he is supposed to do TKO 4.

But can someone explain to me why is he considered 'so faded' that Khan who has never even come close to fighting anyone as skilled as Barrera should be able to beat him is now almost a given? Add to the fact that Khan was brutally KOed in 60 seconds only 6 months ago by a guy who everyone thought would be a walkover including the so called ESB experts. I think Barrera will win this easily as Khan has never seen anyone like him.

[brown bomber]

Benitez was a world champ at 17 ;). Puglist thinks hard and responds: who the fucks benitez, i didn't think boxing had been invented before amir khan. :D

[izzy]

Agreed Barrera is past his prime. Barely over a year ago, Barrera fought Pacquiao in a competitive fight, in which Barrera did much better second time than when they a few years back in which he was demolished by Pacman. Next, Barrera fights a journeymen and does what he is supposed to do TKO 4.

But can someone explain to me why is he considered 'so faded' that Khan who has never even come close to fighting anyone as skilled as Barrera should be able to beat him is now almost a given? Add to the fact that Khan was brutally KOed in 60 seconds only 6 months ago by a guy who everyone thought would be a walkover including the so called ESB experts. I think Barrera will win this easily as Khan has never seen anyone like him.


i agree, everyone seems to be forgetting also about khans appauling chin. he hasnt got one. and with all the mistakes he makes i would have thought barrera will have a field day wether he's shot or not.

[zico2010]

Probably because he was 17 at the time, quite an accomplishment.


He's also a fairly nice, articulate, good-looking kid who comes across well on the telly. A lot of boxers tend to come across as dull, monosyallbic chavs. This makes a big difference in why guys like Khan get a lot of press, and guys like John Murray - no offence meant to JM - dont.

[Pug1list]

Puglist thinks hard and responds: who the fucks benitez, i didn't think boxing had been invented before amir khan. :D

Just wiking it at the moment, i want to be an expert like you.

[Pug1list]

He's also a fairly nice, articulate, good-looking kid who comes across well on the telly. A lot of boxers tend to come across as dull, monosyallbic chavs. This makes a big difference in why guys like Khan get a lot of press, and guys like John Murray no offence meant to JM - dont.

Yeah John Murray does come across as bit of an oaf.

[brown bomber]

jeff im gonna be a twat and counter your opinions

Opinion-Barrera Khan will lead the winner into a world title fight, no doubt. Khan wins Nate Campbell will be heavily compensated to vacate. Barrera wins I think Nate hangs on to he title.

I do not think ****** is wary of putting Khan in with Campbell, more the fact that his mandatories would be against guys like Guzman, Marquez, Diaz, Katsidis and so on.

Opinion- Barrera hasn't put in a 'typical Barrera' performance since the beating Paulie Ayala..... wait for it... just short of five years ago.

Barrera was always hit and miss.

Opinion- Barrera has always struggled with fighters who can match his workrate and speed.

true

Opinion- He was outgamed by Marquez and Pacman because he hasn't got 'it' anymore.

They are two of the best fighters in the world. he was competative in both fights.

Opinion- Barrera has neither the attitude or style required to beat Khan. He will be out maneuvered, outworked and may even wave the white flag, pacman style.

although Khan has allot of KO's they are all stopages. he is not a devastating puncher. will khan be able to hit barerra enough times to hurt him. khan has never been near the skills of barerra without a headgaurd on.

Opinion- Just because the WBO still rate Barrera doesn't mean anyone else has to.

who gives a fuck about the WBO

Opinion- Barrera Vs Khan could turn out to be a horrible mis match.

this could be true either way


the main fact i am considering is that no matter how much khan has improved, if barrera catches him, which he will, khan will go down. barrera will not let him of the hook like gomez and limmond did.
Thats not been a twat rob- thats having an opinion and the fact you qualify your opinion the best you can is why I like most of your posts.

Point 1- Nate Campbell?

Campbell by being frenetic, tough, powerful and experienced is the worst possible opponent for Khan. He is old too and doesn't have the star quality to allow Khan to return saying 'oh well i got beaten by a legend'..... Khan-Cambell is a no goer.

Point 2- Barrera was always hit and miss?

Silly statement. He was an incredible fighter in his prime and consitantly devstating as a super bantam. He suffered a brief dip in form when losing to Jones but returned to form in devestating fashion in various fights after. He changed his style from brawler to boxer with great success and until the first Pacman fight was arguably one of the most consistant performers in the sport.

Point 3- Barrera been outgamed?

Yes they were outstanding fighters Rob but what seperated them form Barrera? There desire to win, barrera boxed well within himself against both Marquez and Pacman. Marquez won eight of 12 rounds and had he not been knocked down the fight would have been even more one sided. Barrera had a couple of decent moments against Pacman but he was outworked and outboxed by a fighter who wasn't in his league prime for prime. Barrera was content to last the distance.

Point 4- Khans power?

I feel its under-rated. Speed kills and Khans accuracy and snap coupled with Barreras reduced reflexes make a stoppage possible. I liked your point about Barreras skill set.... for me thats what makes this fight interesting... But I don't think Barrera will come to win. If he trains properly and is desperate to win, he will take Khan out.

[brown bomber]

Just wiking it at the moment, i want to be an expert like you.You'll need more then wiki and boxrec to match me sweetcheeks:good

[brown bomber]

Yeah John Murray does come across as bit of an oaf.Really? He sounds like a fighter hungry to suceed to me? But your the expert.

[Pug1list]

"I'd love to go in with Khan, but he doesn't fancy fighting me, because he knows I will beat him and he will take a pasting,'' says Murray.

“We’ve been after a fight for years. If Khan wants a fight, I’ll knock him out in two rounds. Lee was a genuinely credible opponent but I’d like to fight Jon Thaxton next, he’s the number one in Britain.

Murray is just irked being on ITV4.

[zico2010]

I heard all of murray's fans singing "are you watching amir khan" after the stoppage. I dont know if Khan was watching, but i watched Murray being outboxed for half the fight by McAllister, and if he hadnt been such a daft lad he could have won by sticking to his gameplan. As it was, he let himself be dragged into murrays fight, and to give credit where it due Murray did show tenacity and faith in the right gameplan, even when it wasnt going his way. But Khan is a far better boxer and more powerful puncher than McAllister. While he might not have his chin, he certainly wouldnt be daft enough to get into a slugfest with Murray, and i could see Murray being stopped in the 5th or 6th if they ever get it on.

[widdy]

I heard all of murray's fans singing "are you watching amir khan" after the stoppage. I dont know if Khan was watching, but i watched Murray being outboxed for half the fight by McAllister, and if he hadnt been such a daft lad he could have won by sticking to his gameplan. As it was, he let himself be dragged into murrays fight, and to give credit where it due Murray did show tenacity and faith in the right gameplan, even when it wasnt going his way. But Khan is a far better boxer and more powerful puncher than McAllister. While he might not have his chin, he certainly wouldnt be daft enough to get into a slugfest with Murray, and i could see Murray being stopped in the 5th or 6th if they ever get it on.

he outboxed him for 2 rounds then murrays strength got to him,he wasent dragged into it.macallisters game plan went out the window when he relised how strong murray was.

[mrbassie]

He's also a fairly nice, articulate, good-looking kid who comes across well on the telly. A lot of boxers tend to come across as dull, monosyallbic chavs. This makes a big difference in why guys like Khan get a lot of press, and guys like John Murray - no offence meant to JM - dont.

not to be unduly unpleasant but saying "yeah, yeah, definitely" a lot does not make one articulate.

[Guy]

Khan has more of a bang than some give him credit for eg Limonds broken jaw,Faigan 'the fist magnet' Gomez the human punch bag,Earl straight down after the first flush punch......
Khan comes in with more power than Mcallister and faster too

[ross59]

I can't see nate vacating his title for money

[achillesthegreat]

It was only 12/18 months ago that MAB was mixing it up with JMM and Pac in fights that didn't suggest he was done. What has the past year done to MAB? He has had 2 fights at 135-140 but against average guys.

How many times has MAB been written off and comeback with legendary work!