Who Is The Best Superbantam in Europe?

[boxingwriter]

Ok guys, who do you reckon is the best superbantam in Europe at the moment?
Before anyone says Rendall Munroe, the guy is ok but he is damn lucky to be EBU champ as he is not even the best superbantam in Britain!
If you must choose Munroe state your reasons why cos I can't see it.
My pick's are :

Bernard Dunne - former EBU champion and excellent boxer, chin is a bit iffy but you can't have it all!

Then there is Matthew Marsh who I rate highly.

Other than those two there is no one else who stands out in my opinion.

For a division that is red hot on the world scene, there seems to be slim pickings in Europe.

[BamBam]

Dunne is the best SBW on the EBU scene.

Monshypour (or however the fuck you spell it) is the best European SBW (boxes as French, I know hes from Iran or wherever). He may be older and all that but he is the only one who has been up at genuine world class so far. and while he didn't set the world alight (a la Vasquez/Juanma etc..) he was a good solid champion and certainly didn't disgrace himself when he lost.

I'm not sold on Marsh. I doubt Maladrottu will be up to much at SBW. Hunter doesn't count since we have no idea if his comeback will be at SBW long term. Or if it will even end up being a proper comeback.

As far as the current EBU champion goes I expect Munroe to beat Martinez again (and I hope he does).

Totally biased I know but... I think Dunne has a world class skill set. He just hasn't got probhibitive puncher power that stops people coming forward. Because of that he wouldn't be able to avoid getting a bang on his whiskers which is shaky at best when tested. I do think he is genuinely a better boxer at SBW than anyone campaigning in Europe at the minute.

***Any other Irish lads who come on mentioning Paul Hyland do yourselves a favour and give it a rest in advance. He's been in with 1 (ish) live fighter and lost that matchup. He looks great when he's fighting an endless list of duds set up by his da but he's nowhere near the real deal. He's not even close to being the best boxer in his family!

[Flea Man]

Munroe would beat Dunne. IMO

[SouthpawSlayer]

dunne beats munroe, he is a better boxer and munroe doesnt have the power to beat dunne

[brown bomber]

Bernard dunne by a mile... The division is empty as demonstrated by rendalls shocking opposition last year

[Flea Man]

Munroe didn't have GREAT opposition, but he beat the man who beat the man and seems eager to fight Dunne anywhere. The same cannot be said for Bernard.

[Beeston Brawler]

I would say Munroe by default.

He beat the man who beat the man - OK his opposition hasn't been up to much since then, but neither has Dunne's.....

Match the two together and find out - unless people think Dunne has to beat Martinez to earn his shot?

Don't forget Munroe isn't that experienced, bypassing British level to go straight to the EBU title.

I think he would beat Marsh though, quite handily.

[TFFP]

Not even the best in Britain?! :rofl Matthew Marsh?! The guy is crap. He can't box that well, he gets hit and dragged into wars, and he does not have the power to brawl. He struggled with a shot Esham Pickering...jesus.

Bernard Dunne is Irish. It's anything but clear cut when Munroe beat Martinez fairly over 12 rounds, and Bernard Dunne got starched inside 2 minutes by the same opponent.

[Beeston Brawler]

Not even the best in Britain?! :rofl Matthew Marsh?! The guy is crap. He can't box that well, he gets hit and dragged into wars, and he does not have the power to brawl. He struggled with a shot Esham Pickering...jesus.

Bernard Dunne is Irish. It's anything but clear cut when Munroe beat Martinez fairly over 12 rounds, and Bernard Dunne got starched inside 2 minutes by the same opponent.

By a fair bit more than the cards suggested as well, I'd say.

[Lewisbell]

Munroe by far and when he schools Martinez you will know why

[PaddyD1983]

Not even the best in Britain?! :rofl Matthew Marsh?! The guy is crap. He can't box that well, he gets hit and dragged into wars, and he does not have the power to brawl. He struggled with a shot Esham Pickering...jesus.

Bernard Dunne is Irish. It's anything but clear cut when Munroe beat Martinez fairly over 12 rounds, and Bernard Dunne got starched inside 2 minutes by the same opponent.

I'd say your being a bit harsh on Marsh there. He's only twelve fights into a pro career. I agree Munroe is a fair way ahead of him but that's no slight on Marsh. Also think he's great to watch!

As for the best Euro SBW, havent really seen all the top names in action so going on what I have seen I'd have to go Munroe.

[TFFP]

Marsh is not going anywhere I assure you of that. He is extremely lucky to be in one of the worst divisions domestically.

[BamBam]

Munroe didn't have GREAT opposition, but he beat the man who beat the man and seems eager to fight Dunne anywhere. The same cannot be said for Bernard.

Munroe has had fucking terrible opposition since winning the title! And he's made a meal of them.

(Bouiatia - Awful, Martyrosian - Awful, Trotta - might as well have been me in there, total bum)

Since losing to Martinez, Dunne has fought.

(Machado - past his peak Former world champion, Marchiano - Journeyman but sturdy(ish), Faccio - World Title Challenger (in his pervious fight)

I get that people see Munroe as the man that beat the man. Thats a fair call and at least i see an angle for that argument. However, impyling Dunne is not keen on fighting Munroe is complete bullshit.

Its Maloney and Peters who are talking shit and waging a phony war. I think its fairly common knowledge that Dunne and Munroe would fight each other no problem. They both respect each other (although I have heard some shit Munroe said about Dunne since the Trotta fight that makes me think Rendall may be getting a big head and a bad attitude, BUT I hope its not true.

Dunne PTS Munroe 116-112 in my opinion

[PaddyD1983]

Marsh is not going anywhere I assure you of that. He is extremely lucky to be in one of the worst divisions domestically.

He's no world beater. But I think he is a good domestic boxer.

And also, as stated previously, good to watch. I dont mind as much if it's entertaining!

[brown bomber]

Having seen lots of both fighters Dunne is superior IMO. Munroe is very good, don't get me wrong and a fight between them is no forgone conclusion however munroes strengths are his size and classy punching, he's like a mini hagler, this would be offset by Dunnes clever movement and own handspeed.. Dunne is bordering on world class. The loss was a shocker but IMO he is the better of the two despite the shock loss. Dunne would have turned Martinez over if he'd not been nailed.

[PaddyD1983]

he's like a mini hagler

I presume you mean this as a stylistic reference only?

[TFFP]

Turned him over if he'd not been nailed? I'm surprised to hear something like that from you, jeff.

I think he'd always get nailed, and its clear his chin isn't up to the task. It's an Amir Khan scenario all over again, you can have all the moves but if your chin isn't that good you ain't better, period. I'm sure even Munroe who is not a huge hitter, but with his size he'd give himself a big chance of starching Dunne.

[brown bomber]

I presume you mean this as a stylistic reference only? Of course... come on Paddy :lol:

[brown bomber]

Turned him over if he'd not been nailed? I'm surprised to hear something like that from you, jeff.



??? What do you mean mate.....

[TFFP]

??? What do you mean mate.....
I don't understand that comment. "He would have turned him over if he hadn't been nailed". Isn't that the same for Amir Khan against Prescott?

Dunne will always get nailed, he ain't Sweet Pea. And when he does his chin ain't good enough against that type of puncher.

[moorser]

dunne would box the ears off munroe all night . i was at munroes last fight in dcu and to be honest he struggeld with a complete bum . until trotta hurt his hand . dunne will pick up a strap . he has only been knocked out once and he was caught cold that night first 30 seconds of the fight . freddie roach was his trainer for 17 fights and he was was signed to sugar ray leonard . dunne is not avoiding him . there is no point in fighting munroe for peanuts in britian when the could make 3/4 times the amount in dublin !!!

[brown bomber]

I don't understand that comment. "He would have turned him over if he hadn't been nailed". Isn't that the same for Amir Khan against Prescott?

Dunne will always get nailed, he ain't Sweet Pea. And when he does his chin ain't good enough against that type of puncher. Khans visits to the canvas have been much more frequent then Dunnes.. Dunne suffwered one other knockdown. Fighters get caught cold. Look at Kalambay- Nunn, Hale-Ryan, Loughran-Lopez.... it doesn't always mean they've got a wonky beard.

[TFFP]

In all respect to Dunne, he's never shown himself to be a defensive technician anything close to the quality of Kalambay regardless of chins. That was a complete fluke IMO. Kalambay's whiskers were already more than proven at world class level, hell ATG level prior to Nunn's lottery win that should have been rematched.

The best I can say about Dunne's was it was unproven until he fought the biggest puncher of his career, and proceeded to get knocked out. Since then its unproven again, because the guys he's facing aren't as great as they are billed. I have my suspicions.

[Flea Man]

Apparently (boxing magazine) Dunne will be fighting Cabellero in Ireland.

Seeing what Cabellero did in Molitor's hometown I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear too much about Dunne aymore

[PaddyD1983]

Of course... come on Paddy :lol:

Sorry mate, alot of muppets around recently. Just had to check.

[neil hibbert]

dunne would box the ears off munroe all night . i was at munroes last fight in dcu and to be honest he struggeld with a complete bum . until trotta hurt his hand . dunne will pick up a strap . he has only been knocked out once and he was caught cold that night first 30 seconds of the fight . freddie roach was his trainer for 17 fights and he was was signed to sugar ray leonard . dunne is not avoiding him . there is no point in fighting munroe for peanuts in britian when the could make 3/4 times the amount in dublin !!!

he didnt even hurt his hand 2 b honest well what i seen of him post fight and in the hotel, he was tryin to blow munroe out in a few rounds then quit, wasnt 1 of munroes best nights imo an he struggled to make the weight, had to skip it off

[BamBam]

Apparently (boxing magazine) Dunne will be fighting Cabellero in Ireland.

Seeing what Cabellero did in Molitor's hometown I wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear too much about Dunne aymore

Caballero will stop Dunne. Of that I have no doubt whatsoever. Being a fan of his I don't like saying it but unfortunately it is true. Dunne - Molitor is a nice even match IMO. After seeing Caballero crush (and albeit nervous) Molitor I'd say Cabellero stops Dunne around Rnd 6

EDIT

Caballlero is scheduled to fight in March already so I doubt it's true

[ninebar]

Having seen lots of both fighters Dunne is superior IMO. Munroe is very good, don't get me wrong and a fight between them is no forgone conclusion however munroes strengths are his size and classy punching, he's like a mini hagler, this would be offset by Dunnes clever movement and own handspeed.. Dunne is bordering on world class. The loss was a shocker but IMO he is the better of the two despite the shock loss. Dunne would have turned Martinez over if he'd not been nailed.

Yep if Dunne had a bit of power he would be World Class, Great Little fighter is Bernard, but that Defeat against Martinez was bad and i think he got severely wobbled at the end of the Voronin fight as well so there are a few questions about his chin.


They should seriously get Munroe and Dunne together i think that's the most logical fight in the division right now.


After that Dunne should rematch Martinez, but Peters is hinting at a World Title shot somewhere down the line so gaining revenge over Martinez may have to wait.

[Paddy]

Bernard Dunne is Irish. It's anything but clear cut when Munroe beat Martinez fairly over 12 rounds, and Bernard Dunne got starched inside 2 minutes by the same opponent.

i was in america when dunne fought martinez and couldnt believe it.

i have seen martinez fight twice in person since and he is nowhere near munroe how ever. I think dunne was defo caught cold and if they fight again i can see dunne staying away from the bombs and winning a UD. I also see him taking Munroe UD but it will probably never happen.

[BigEars]

If Monshipour is as good as he was when he retired 2(+) years ago then he wipes the floor with everyone else. The guy is a machine which just couldn't be touched at European level.

I think Dunne would beat Munroe, I haven't been very impressed by Munroe since he won the title, he's been making hard work of very poor opposition and is starting extremely slowly in fights giving rounds away. I reckon he could be badly tight at the weight aswell.

Other than that we have Maludrottu, Martinez, Hunter, and emerging fighters such as Matthew Marsh, Jeremy Parodi, Zsolt Bedak.
Just below that you've the likes of Mark Moran and Gary Davies(Paulie Hyland would get a mention if he didn't move down to Bantam), and Reidar Walstad.

There are plenty of British prospects at the weight, Scott Quigg possibly looking like the best of them, but he was caught and floored in one of his early fights.


Munroe will beat Martinez easily in a stinker, and that should remove Martinez from the fray for a while, he may move up to Featherweight.
Dunne's team will continue looking for a World title shot at Featherweight while really much preferring a match up with Munroe down at Super-Bantamweight.

Maludrottu will be the next mandatory no matter who he fights.
Monshipour could go any way.

Maloney will keep to the path of least resistance with Munroe, Hunter will never fully get back into the picture, and the rest bar maybe Bedak won't make the breakthrough needed.

[mryeags]

Zsolt Bedak has the most unfullfilled potential amongst the SBW division....looks useful and HUngary do produce there share of quality performers....

Munroe better than Dunne .... as Martinez proved Dunne is exposed ....

[BigEars]

Munroe better than Dunne .... as Martinez proved Dunne is exposed ....

Yes because when A beats B, and A loses to C, then C automatically beats B.

Proven last night when Cotto beat Mosley, Margarito beat Cotto and Margarito........lost to Mosley :huh.......nevermind, I guess that theory is ridiculous.

Anyway Mayhar Monshipour stopped Sean Hughes in 8 rounds last night, it's only been 7 weeks since his last fight when he beat the Italian Bantamweight champion. Good that Monshipour is keeping active and hopefully shedding some rust. At least I hope rust was the reason he took so long to stop Hughes, in his prime he'd put Hughes away within 3 rounds max.

[TommyV]

I'd say Munroe, though none are stand out.

I like Dunne, he's a good boxer, but he's had hand problems and just doesn't have the power to keep guys off him, and doesn't have the chin to take punishment, which is why the Kiko Martinez fight went the way it did.

Munroe doesn't have great power either, but he's a decent body puncher and that can make a guy think twice about going gung-ho, and he took Kiko's best punches aswell.

[Beeston Brawler]

Munroe has the ability and style to make people think about how they are going to try to beat him.

Dunne, whilst having a more rounded skillset, simply lacks the power to back people up, and the chin to take big shots.

A fight between the two would certainly be an interesting affair, but Munroe has a better chance of competing against the elite names.

[neil hibbert]

id like to see munroe, dunne... end of lol

[BigEars]

Munroe has the ability and style to make people think about how they are going to try to beat him.

Dunne, whilst having a more rounded skillset, simply lacks the power to back people up, and the chin to take big shots.

A fight between the two would certainly be an interesting affair, but Munroe has a better chance of competing against the elite names.

Neither has any chance imo, Dunne's only chance was if someone like Mike Oliver had managed to grab a title and Munroe's chance left the day he was born. No offence to either fighter but neither could compete with a true top 10 fighter in the division which is probably(imo) the strongest in the World.
It just doesn't get the same credit as Lightweight or Welterweight because of how low down it is and some people have a thing against the 'small guys'.

[boxingwriter]

Turned him over if he'd not been nailed? I'm surprised to hear something like that from you, jeff.

I think he'd always get nailed, and its clear his chin isn't up to the task. It's an Amir Khan scenario all over again, you can have all the moves but if your chin isn't that good you ain't better, period. I'm sure even Munroe who is not a huge hitter, but with his size he'd give himself a big chance of starching Dunne.

Munroe hasn't a hope in hell of ko'ing Dunne. Munroe is big yes but has no power to speak of. To hurt Dunne he has to outbox him which he has no chance of doing as Dunne is simply the better boxer, I don't care where you come from or who you support but you can't deny that fact!
Dunne's chin is not as shaky as you guys, who have only seen his ko at the hands of Martinez, may believe. He has taken some decent shots in his fights and has not been overly effected by them.
Although Munroe is EBU champ he is not on Dunne's level technically nor does he have any real power, Dunne has more of a dig to his punches than Munroe.
Size means nothing, look at the guys Dunne fought in the US, he fought some big guys and he crushed them.

[TFFP]

You can talk all you want about your Irish boy, but its just talk. The facts are your guy got done in 1 round by Martinez, and Munroe beat him. So there is very much a case for Munroe being better.

[Vantage_West]

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munroe for me...he is improving gave a horrendous body attack to that buzzing italian.

and im not really convinced with dunne, just a bit too complacent to be in a ring and feel satisfied. i dunno

[Beeston Brawler]

I just wish my fucking ticket would turn up.

I have them for Moore vs the Italian dude.

[boxingwriter]

You can talk all you want about your Irish boy, but its just talk. The facts are your guy got done in 1 round by Martinez, and Munroe beat him. So there is very much a case for Munroe being better.

That is a very most simple minded view of boxing! Martinez got lucky against Dunne, Munroe beating him is no big achievement.
By your logic any boxer who beats Martinez is better than Dunne! Get real, your lack of knowledge about how boxing works is astounding!
Give me one fact that proves that Munroe is better than Dunne, other than the fact that Munroe beat the one dimensional Martinez, cos I can give you countless reasons why he is not.

[TFFP]

That is a very most simple minded view of boxing! Martinez got lucky against Dunne, Munroe beating him is no big achievement.
By your logic any boxer who beats Martinez is better than Dunne! Get real, your lack of knowledge about how boxing works is astounding!
Give me one fact that proves that Munroe is better than Dunne, other than the fact that Munroe beat the one dimensional Martinez, cos I can give you countless reasons why he is not.
But the point you seem to continuously miss is that YOU were the one that said there is no way Munroe can be the best, as if anybody that thinks he might be is ridiculous. I've given you a very simple reason why that is horse manure of the highest order.

[boxingwriter]

But the point you seem to continuously miss is that YOU were the one that said there is no way Munroe can be the best, as if anybody that thinks he might be is ridiculous. I've given you a very simple reason why that is horse manure of the highest order.

So that woud be a No then, you can't give me a reason why you think Munroe is better than Dunne, thought so!
Munroe is simply not the best in Europe, that is a fact. He does not impress in his bouts.His level of opposition is very poor and he lets even average fighters like Trotta get the better of him at times.
Your simplistic view that if A beats B, and C beats A, then C is automatically better than B, tells me that you are either a Munroe fan who can't admit that he is quite limited or you don't have an understanding of boxing because that is not how it works.
If Munroe was truly better than Dunne then he would have put his money where his mouth is and took the fight which was offered to him 3 times but he didn't!

[SouthpawSlayer]

its a shame we will never get to see munroe dunne, maloney should of taken the offer that was given to him but he obviously didnt have full confidence in munroe beating dunne in dublin,

hopefully when / if dunne loses to cordoba we might see this one

[TFFP]

So that woud be a No then, you can't give me a reason why you think Munroe is better than Dunne, thought so!
Munroe is simply not the best in Europe, that is a fact. He does not impress in his bouts.His level of opposition is very poor and he lets even average fighters like Trotta get the better of him at times.
Your simplistic view that if A beats B, and C beats A, then C is automatically better than B, tells me that you are either a Munroe fan who can't admit that he is quite limited or you don't have an understanding of boxing because that is not how it works.
If Munroe was truly better than Dunne then he would have put his money where his mouth is and took the fight which was offered to him 3 times but he didn't!
Noob please. Telling me I don't know shit about boxing. I won the prediction league for this forum last year, so unless I got as much "luck" as Martinez against Dunne I'm not sure how that happened. God damn ignorant ass noobs.

I didn't even make a prediction on who would win between Dunne and Munroe. All I said was that it is certainly debateable, due to both of their best opponents being a common factor, and the fact that Munroe actually beat him and Dunne did not.

[Guy]

TFFB likes the word 'Noob' it's plain to see

[mrplow182]

It's out of Munroe or Dunne but if Hunter ever got his act back together he could certainly compete again, but that's a big if cos he is 30 now and hasn't looked nearly as confident since Steve Molitor stopped him and hasn't been too active.....there's also this French guy Parodi who beat Trotta over 12 rounds in his first full distance bout too and he is only 21, could be one to look out for. That said the division is littered with mediocrity.

[BamBam]

There are reasons to like both men. I know which side of the camp I am on. Anyway, if and when Dunne loses to Cordoba. And if and when Munroe beats Martinez there should only really be 2 outcomes.

1) Munroe steps up to have a crack at a world strap
2) Munroe stays at EBU level and defends against Dunne.

The fact that Munroe already turned down a world title shot makes me think he will go with option 2. A fight at the Point with Dunne will be big money.

It's not a clear cut fight by any means. Neither man has the nessecary power for anyone to conclusively say that one is significanlty better than the other.

I pick Dunne by 3-4 rounds because he is a slicker boxer. He certainly won't stand there to be hit like Bouatita, Trotta and Martyrosian. I thought Munroe looked good against Martinez and I think he has looked very limited since.

Lets see what he produces against Martinez second time around. He won the fight big the first time (despite the scorecard) so lets see what happens this time. I expect another clear win.

What bothers me about this whole thing is that its turning into a hating contest. Liking Dunne = Hating Munroe and vice versa. They are both two good EBU level fighters who would match off nicely against each other if it happens.

Dunne is making the most of what he has. All this shit about 'Munroe deserves it more etc...' is pointless. Munroe turned down the chance to fight Cordoba. What was Dunne meant to do? Ring up Cordoba and say 'Look Ricardo I don't want a title fight. I'd rather wait for Munroe to beat Martinez, then wait 3-4 months to fight him, beat him and then wait another 3-4 months and then fight you'

Munroe turned down the chance this time. If he'd wanted it he could have taken it. He obviously feels he's not ready. I'm sure he can come up with another chance if he keeps winning. IN fact I expcet a rematch win against Martinez to open that door.

[BamBam]

Forget about Hunter. He aint' coming back. He's fighting above SBW weight limits. He went the distance with a couple of very average lads and won close. He's nowhere near what he was like. It looks for all the world as if he's yesterdays man.

Parodi is an unknown qunatity. Nice record so far. Trotta is terrible though but credit the kid for the win. If Munroe beats Martinez then Paraodi -v- Martinez seems a good stepping stone fight for the kid.

All this talk of being worthy of shots etc... is one thing. What bothers me is Maladrottu is going to be made mandatory despite only having one MD win at SBW against a very, very modest opponent. Fucking EBU are terrible

[mrplow182]

Forget about Hunter. He aint' coming back. He's fighting above SBW weight limits. He went the distance with a couple of very average lads and won close. He's nowhere near what he was like. It looks for all the world as if he's yesterdays man.

Parodi is an unknown qunatity. Nice record so far. Trotta is terrible though but credit the kid for the win. If Munroe beats Martinez then Paraodi -v- Martinez seems a good stepping stone fight for the kid.

All this talk of being worthy of shots etc... is one thing. What bothers me is Maladrottu is going to be made mandatory despite only having one MD win at SBW against a very, very modest opponent. Fucking EBU are terrible

I'd tend to prefer Dunne but I like Munroe's rise in status and he hasn't been overwhelmed when fighting on TV for the European title and looks good against mediocre opposition. Parodi could definitely be one to watch out for as an unknown quantity, afterall Munroe came from relatviely nowhere to beat Martinez and the same could happen for the French fighter.

If Dunne loses his challenge for the 'regular' world title this year in Ireland then there really is only one fight that makes sense....Munroe vs Dunne

Neither of these guys could last for long at true world class but are the best this continent has to offer. I just feel Munroe doesn't quite have the power to stop Dunne outpointing him on the way to 9-3 UD

[BigEars]

Forget about Hunter. He aint' coming back. He's fighting above SBW weight limits. He went the distance with a couple of very average lads and won close. He's nowhere near what he was like. It looks for all the world as if he's yesterdays man.

Parodi is an unknown qunatity. Nice record so far. Trotta is terrible though but credit the kid for the win. If Munroe beats Martinez then Paraodi -v- Martinez seems a good stepping stone fight for the kid.

All this talk of being worthy of shots etc... is one thing. What bothers me is Maladrottu is going to be made mandatory despite only having one MD win at SBW against a very, very modest opponent. Fucking EBU are terrible

Maludrottu actually has 3 wins at the weight including 1 against a ranked fighter a the time(Kaya), he was also the European champion at the weight below and didn't disgrace himself in a World title fight at the weight below, despite this I however don't think he deserves to be mandatory more than Dunne would. It's a shame the EBU don't order eliminators.

Hunter does look pretty much done. However you can't forget Mayhar Monshipour, who even if he has slipped quite a bit since coming back will still be a threat. He's already stopped the Italian Bantamweight champion and 2 time British Super-Bantamweight title challenger Sean Hughes in the 2 months he's been back.

Zsolt Bedak looks a promising prospect, Parodi has obviously beaten Trotta and Bouaita, which were two of Munroe's defences so he must be seen as a threat.

Martinez despite his lack of most things does possess the dig to topple anyway at the weight, he's just unlikey to land it.

Marsh is limited and lacks power, but he's a very busy fighter and pretty durable. He'd pose a decent test for Munroe.

Munroe impressed me winning the English title against Marc Callaghan which combined with information learned about Martinez inspired me to pick him to beat Martinez. Which he did with ease, and although conservatively is was impressively.

However since he hasn't impressed me at all. I missed the Bouaita fight but heard he looked poor, against Matirosian he should have stopped him without losing a round yet went the distance and let the Frenchan win 4 rounds imo(5 on two of the judges, the other had him winning 3 and drawing one), and Munroe at times even looked a little shaken by the punches he took.

Against Trotta he broke him down to the body really well and stopped him in as little time as he should, that was the positive. The negative was he once again started very slowly and lost the first 2 rounds for me, allowing himself to be outworked and easily hit.

I think he'll beat Martinez easily again and this time he'll get it clear on the cards, but Martinez does have the power to hurt him. Anytime Martinez landed glancing shots in the first fight it seemed to have some effect as Munroe either tied him up or got on his bike. Munroe was obviously never hurt like Dunne was v Martinez but the difference between Dunne and Munroe in a fight like is Munroe has the physical strength to clinch Martinez and even bully him backwards. Martinez's only chance is a stoppage and what will make it very tough is that even if he gets Munroe going, Munroe as a huge Bantam may be strong enough to survive and tough it out till he's okay again. So expect a lacklustre afair would Munroe winning comfortaly.

It's interesting that Monshipour defeated Sean Hughes btw, because Hughes was actually the orignal opponent for the Matirosian fight.

The question is what will Frank Maloney do once Munroe has beatn Martinez. I suspect if Dunne were to win(against Cordoba) they'd want that fight, but not if he loses.

Maludrottu will be out of the question as Maloney won't want the mandatory out of the way till he has to.

mandatory:Kiko Martinez
1.Simeone Maludrottu
2.Bernard Dunne
3.Matthew Marsh
4.Reidar Walstad
5.Jeremy Parodi
6.Zsolt Bedak
7.Arsen Matirosean
8.Salem Bouaita
9.Massimo Morra
10.Fabrizio Trotta

I reckon they'd go with the Matthew Marsh v Mark Moran winner or if not that the Massimo Morra(as a nice easy voluntary) or the vacant Commonwealth title might be a likely option aswell.

[BamBam]

I was sure that Maladrottu beat Kaya at FW. Anyway, thats neither here nor there. I still don't think he walks to the top of the queue as SBW.

Of course Monshipour is a huge threat. However, I made an assumption that he wasn't coming back to fight at EBU level. I may be dead wrong but I can't see him bothering to come back just to fight Munroe in Nottingham. I know he has warmed up with a couple of European fighters but I may be wrong.

Like I said Parodi is looking like he could be something. A lot of fights for a European 21 year old. So definitely one to watch. Bedak I think we will have to wait a while to see if he can beat anyone who is there or thereabouts. His lack of a dig at this early stage would be an issue for me though.

If Munroe and Dunne win (I know the Dunne is hihgly unlikely). There is every chance that Peters tells Maloney to go and get fucked. There is every chance he would bring in one of the Japanese lads for a soft voluntary before getting handed Jhonny Gonzalez as a mandatory.

In the more likely scenario that Munroe wins and Dunne loses. Maloney tells Peters to get fucked. However, the problem here is (or should be from Munroe's point of view) that unless Munroe moves up a level or goes for a world strap I very much doubt a fight with Marsh/Morra/Bedak etc... would be anywhere near as profitable as a showdown with Bernard in the Point.

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Noob please. Telling me I don't know shit about boxing. I won the prediction league for this forum last year, so unless I got as much "luck" as Martinez against Dunne I'm not sure how that happened. God damn ignorant ass noobs.

I didn't even make a prediction on who would win between Dunne and Munroe. All I said was that it is certainly debateable, due to both of their best opponents being a common factor, and the fact that Munroe actually beat him and Dunne did not.

Actually, wise one who knows everything about boxing because he has been posting on a boxing forum longer than me, I did not say you don't know "shit" about boxing but the fact that Dunne and Munroe have Martinez in common, does not mean that you can make a comparison. If Munroe had a similar style to Martinez then you could maybe say that but little can be taken from 86 seconds in the Dunne V Martinez fight, there can be no real comparison. If Dunne went the whole 12 rounds against Martinez, you could then compare Dunne and Munroe on their performances against Martinez and come to a conclusion that way.
I don't know what to tell ya about the fact you won the prediction league last year, maybe you're psychic! You didn't win it by the reasoning behind your "Munroe starches Dunne" comment!

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Maludrottu actually has 3 wins at the weight including 1 against a ranked fighter a the time(Kaya), he was also the European champion at the weight below and didn't disgrace himself in a World title fight at the weight below, despite this I however don't think he deserves to be mandatory more than Dunne would. It's a shame the EBU don't order eliminators.

Hunter does look pretty much done. However you can't forget Mayhar Monshipour, who even if he has slipped quite a bit since coming back will still be a threat. He's already stopped the Italian Bantamweight champion and 2 time British Super-Bantamweight title challenger Sean Hughes in the 2 months he's been back.

Zsolt Bedak looks a promising prospect, Parodi has obviously beaten Trotta and Bouaita, which were two of Munroe's defences so he must be seen as a threat.

Martinez despite his lack of most things does possess the dig to topple anyway at the weight, he's just unlikey to land it.

Marsh is limited and lacks power, but he's a very busy fighter and pretty durable. He'd pose a decent test for Munroe.

Munroe impressed me winning the English title against Marc Callaghan which combined with information learned about Martinez inspired me to pick him to beat Martinez. Which he did with ease, and although conservatively is was impressively.

However since he hasn't impressed me at all. I missed the Bouaita fight but heard he looked poor, against Matirosian he should have stopped him without losing a round yet went the distance and let the Frenchan win 4 rounds imo(5 on two of the judges, the other had him winning 3 and drawing one), and Munroe at times even looked a little shaken by the punches he took.

Against Trotta he broke him down to the body really well and stopped him in as little time as he should, that was the positive. The negative was he once again started very slowly and lost the first 2 rounds for me, allowing himself to be outworked and easily hit.

I think he'll beat Martinez easily again and this time he'll get it clear on the cards, but Martinez does have the power to hurt him. Anytime Martinez landed glancing shots in the first fight it seemed to have some effect as Munroe either tied him up or got on his bike. Munroe was obviously never hurt like Dunne was v Martinez but the difference between Dunne and Munroe in a fight like is Munroe has the physical strength to clinch Martinez and even bully him backwards. Martinez's only chance is a stoppage and what will make it very tough is that even if he gets Munroe going, Munroe as a huge Bantam may be strong enough to survive and tough it out till he's okay again. So expect a lacklustre afair would Munroe winning comfortaly.

It's interesting that Monshipour defeated Sean Hughes btw, because Hughes was actually the orignal opponent for the Matirosian fight.

The question is what will Frank Maloney do once Munroe has beatn Martinez. I suspect if Dunne were to win(against Cordoba) they'd want that fight, but not if he loses.

Maludrottu will be out of the question as Maloney won't want the mandatory out of the way till he has to.

mandatory:Kiko Martinez
1.Simeone Maludrottu
2.Bernard Dunne
3.Matthew Marsh
4.Reidar Walstad
5.Jeremy Parodi
6.Zsolt Bedak
7.Arsen Matirosean
8.Salem Bouaita
9.Massimo Morra
10.Fabrizio Trotta

I reckon they'd go with the Matthew Marsh v Mark Moran winner or if not that the Massimo Morra(as a nice easy voluntary) or the vacant Commonwealth title might be a likely option aswell.

Just a thought Big Ears, in your opinion does Paul Hyland beat or even come close to any of those guys at the moment? I know he is nowhere near the best but how do you see him stacking up against any of those 10?

[TFFP]

Matthew Marsh is a jack of all trades master of precisely none. If Hyland has any talent he'd beat him.

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[quote=TFFP;3366791]Matthew Marsh is a jack of all trades master of precisely none. If Hyland has any talent he'd beat him.[/quote

I really thought Marsh looked good pre Pickering, maybe I know fuck all after all!

Is he really that bad!

[TFFP]

He struggled with a way past prime Esham Pickering and then a mini-war with Rocky Dean. He is British level and no further. He was actually quite fortunate Munroe went straight for the European title otherwise he would never have picked up that title, but its a weak division domestically. I expect even Moran will cause him no end of problems.