Who Met the Best Competition ?

[mcvey]

Champions and contenders ,who fought the best opponents,win or lose?

[WhataRock]

Greb and Moore come to mind immediately. As does Walker.

[asero]

by the time pacquiao retires, 20 % of his fights are against hall of famers

[WhataRock]

by the time pacquiao retires, 20 % of his fights are against hall of famers

:lol:

Well he has had about 50 fights now, so he has to squeeze 10 out already from his opposition.

Care to find them? Even with the HOF's worsening credibility I think you would be hard pressed to find 10 future HOF's in Pac's record.

[asero]

just 10 fights...

3 with morales, 2 with barerra, dela hoya, 2 with jmm and hatton...

thats 9 fights already...

[flamengo]

Robinson, Duran, Ali, Greb, Walcott, Charles, Burley.... Griffo might be one outstanding exponent to not forget.

[stonerose]

Duran, Ali in modern times. Lennox Lewis fought everyone he could bar Bowe .

[ChrisPontius]

Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson and Archie Moore faced 40 or more ranked contenders.

[Bokaj]

Ezzard Charles, Ray Robinson and Archie Moore faced 40 or more ranked contenders.

But Robinson didn't meet Burley and Williams. Moore and Charles fought just about everyone, didn't they?

[DINAMITA]

Ezzard Charles has to be up there, but Greb would probably take it.

[ChrisPontius]

But Robinson didn't meet Burley and Williams. Moore and Charles fought just about everyone, didn't they?

I was merely stating that he met more than 40 ranked contenders, not that he supposedly avoided Burley and Williams.

[Bokaj]

I was merely stating that he met more than 40 ranked contenders, not that he supposedly avoided Burley and Williams.

Ok. I just prolonged the thought as to whether Robinson belongs among those who met the best opposition.

[JohnThomas1]

Ok. I just prolonged the thought as to whether Robinson belongs among those who met the best opposition.


Meeting more than 40 ranked contenders, one would think so, no?

[Bokaj]

Meeting more than 40 ranked contenders, one would think so, no?

Well, Moore and Charles did as well - plus Burley and each other. That should put them a notch above Robinson in terms of opposition.

[JohnThomas1]

While i agree both belong a bit ahead of him, citing Burley and Williams is hardly the be all and end all. I rate the other two a little above, but not because he didn't fight Burley and Williams.

[Bokaj]

While i agree both belong a bit ahead of him, citing Burley and Williams is hardly the be all and end all. I rate the other two a little above, but not because he didn't fight Burley and Williams.

It makes a difference,though. Moore's 4 best opponents (Charles, Ali, Marciano, Burley) is quite possibly better than anyone Robinson fought, as is Charles's (Moore, Burley, Louis, Marciano).

[JohnThomas1]

It makes a difference,though. Moore's 4 best opponents (Charles, Ali, Marciano, Burley) is quite possibly better than anyone Robinson fought, as is Charles's (Moore, Burley, Louis, Marciano).


In the overall scheme of things i don't think fighting Burley and Williams would have propelled Robinson ahead. If you think it makes a difference (as you state above) then you imply you would have ranked Robinson's comp ahead of the other pair's if he met Burley and Williams. I'm not so sure.

[Bokaj]

In the overall scheme of things i don't think fighting Burley and Williams would have propelled Robinson ahead. If you think it makes a difference (as you state above) then you imply you would have ranked Robinson's comp ahead of the other pair's if he met Burley and Williams. I'm not so sure.

No, they would still have met the better opponents. But Robinson would be a bit closer.

[mcvey]

Greb probably takes this ,but I'm surprised no one mentioned Langford.And ,how about this guy ? He faced_________
Battling Levinsky
Luther McCarty
Sam McVey
Al Kaufman
Johnny KIlbane
Hugo Kelly
Joe Gans
Bob FItzsimmons
KId Carter
Jack O Brien
Jim Barry
Jack Blackburn x3
Soldier Bourke x4
Dave Holly x5
Peter Maher
Dixie Kid x3
Joe Walcott
Jack Johnson
Not a bad collection.

[SgrRyLeonard]

Ali always fought the best, as did Harry Greb.

[GPater11093]

louis fought all the top contenders around his time

[Bokaj]

Greb probably takes this ,but I'm surprised no one mentioned Langford.And ,how about this guy ? He faced_________
Battling Levinsky
Luther McCarty
Sam McVey
Al Kaufman
Johnny KIlbane
Hugo Kelly
Joe Gans
Bob FItzsimmons
KId Carter
Jack O Brien
Jim Barry
Jack Blackburn x3
Soldier Bourke x4
Dave Holly x5
Peter Maher
Dixie Kid x3
Joe Walcott
Jack Johnson
Not a bad collection.

No, it sure isn't. The term "warrior" was invented for guys like Langford.

[flamengo]

Yes.... Langford is one of the classiest journey men in the games history. .....



......Think about it kids.

[dpw417]

My hat is off to Harry Greb...but my pick is Joey Maxim.

[McGrain]

Lloyd Marshall is up there

Olson
Farr
Cockell
Charles
Mills
Moore
Chase
Maxim
Williams
LaMotta
Bivins
Burley
Garcia



Not bad.

[rekcutnevets]

I have to bring up Everett Martin:

Bert Cooper
Dwight Qawi
George Foreman
Bonecrusher Smith
Michael Moorer
Tim Witherspoon
Tony Tucker
Riddick Bowe
Larry Holmes
Herbie Hide
Tony Tubbs
Wladimir Klitschko
Serguei Lyakhovich
Ruslan Chagaev

[WhataRock]

just 10 fights...

3 with morales, 2 with barerra, dela hoya, 2 with jmm and hatton...

thats 9 fights already...

Ah ok my bad I misread.