Does anyone think that Carl Froch could conceivably beat Joe Calzaghe? [Archive]

DINAMITA

01-23-2009, 03:57 PM

196osh

01-23-2009, 04:10 PM

I think that Joe would win wide.

FLINT ISLAND

01-23-2009, 04:23 PM

I have always considered Froch a threat to Calzaghe even before he was WBC World Champion.

He got attitutde and says he would "Smoke Calzaghes Boots"

He has the energy of a murderer

Loves a tear up

Iron chin

and he punches like a mule

Calzaghe is favorite in this fight no doubt

He has the ring skills and speed and experience to win wide on points

Froch's best chance of victory is to hit and hurt and stop Calzaghe

I give Froch a 40% chance of victory and 60% to Calzaghe

I give Froch as good as shot as Keelser had

Calzaghes talk he would beat Froch in 3 rounds is hard to swallow

Froch will give him a competitive fight and is dangerous

TFFP

01-23-2009, 04:29 PM

No, Carl Froch would not even be competitive. No way, no how.

This could conceivably be another Lacy, but maybe Joe hasn't got that performance in him anymore. I'd still expect him to dominate this fight.

kurt2006

01-23-2009, 04:30 PM

If Froch lands then it could be lights out for JC. Froch is no Lacy who takes 20 minutes loading up a shot.

trotter

01-23-2009, 04:45 PM

I reckon it would be competitive, very much so

Joe would take it with his workrate and handspeed but I reckon Froch would take him into deep waters

Froch has far far more to his game than Lacy ever did

I'd love to see this fight

trotter

01-23-2009, 04:46 PM

He has the energy of a murderer

I like that one

El Cepillo

01-23-2009, 04:46 PM

I think TFFP is spot in when he says it would be another Lacy.

If it does happen though, I wish Carl all the best, he has a decent chin and a punchers chance. But I tend to think Froch getting schooled is a LOT more likely than Calzaghe getting his boots smoked :lol:

Max Molyneux

01-23-2009, 04:59 PM

Froch's come forward style makes an easy win for Calzaghe. Joe's workrate, speed and stamina will be too much, plus his skills way better.

Froch turned down an offer to fight Joe anyway.

Joe's chin Is granite anyway and Froch couldn't KO Pascal and shown his world level limitations.

Beeston Brawler

01-23-2009, 05:00 PM

Calzaghe toys with people that try to kill him - see Kessler rounds 5-11 for evidence...... he fights much better on the retreat than he does having to apply pressure himself.

Watch the Hopkins fight again (if you can put yourself through it!)

ishy

01-23-2009, 05:10 PM

Think Calzaghe wins this wide on points. The only way Froch wins this is by stoppage but I don't see that happening.

icemax

01-23-2009, 05:10 PM

pijo

01-23-2009, 05:12 PM

Calzaghe easy UD, he would outwork him and I don't even think he has a punchers chance against Calzaghe.

TFFP

01-23-2009, 05:44 PM

Kid Lucky

01-23-2009, 05:56 PM

Froch would never have Calzaghe in that position. He has 25% of the handspeed of Jones or Hopkins, nevermind the timing to actually land counters.

Froch's hope is to wing in his shots as usual. Work on the theory "If I throw enough I might hit something". Even then I'm not convinced his power is as great as we previously thought.

Agree. Big fan of Froch but this would be another level for him, he takes too many shots and his hand speed's too slow to beat Joe. But against any of the other super middles out there has a good chance.

Anyone else heard any rumours on this fight?

Beeston Brawler

01-23-2009, 06:01 PM

Stylistically, Calzaghe is Froch's worst nightmare.

As much as I would love to see Joe lose his 0 - he ain't the man.

Grant1

01-23-2009, 06:47 PM

I think Joe loses more respect in the States if he fights Froch and loses face in Britain if he fight Dawson.

B-hop again maybe?

cityofgod

01-23-2009, 06:55 PM

Stylistically, Calzaghe is Froch's worst nightmare.

As much as I would love to see Joe lose his 0 - he ain't the man.

Actually Frochy handles southpaw's extremely well.

A point someone made was that his low left guard is reversed with a high-right guard when fighting a southpaw which makes sense.

Froch hits hard enough and above all else, he's very very accurate.

He is a very strong guy, who will throw bombs (not slaps) for 12 rounds.

I think Froch stands a very good chance actually.

Hopkins took plenty of rounds with his quality, yet he didn't do nearly enough work.

Froch will fight his lungs out and if Joe is anything less than 100% could get tonked.

Rebel-INS

01-23-2009, 07:45 PM

Actually Frochy handles southpaw's extremely well.

A point someone made was that his low left guard is reversed with a high-right guard when fighting a southpaw which makes sense.

Froch hits hard enough and above all else, he's very very accurate.

He is a very strong guy, who will throw bombs (not slaps) for 12 rounds.

I think Froch stands a very good chance actually.

Hopkins took plenty of rounds with his quality, yet he didn't do nearly enough work.

Froch will fight his lungs out and if Joe is anything less than 100% could get tonked.

Yes but Stevie Wonder could see Froch's punches coming.

Beeston Brawler

01-23-2009, 07:51 PM

Actually Frochy handles southpaw's extremely well. Yes - but how many as good as Joe Slappy?

A point someone made was that his low left guard is reversed with a high-right guard when fighting a southpaw which makes sense. Perhaps, but workrate.........

Froch hits hard enough and above all else, he's very very accurate. Not really relevant. Slappy has a decent chin and ring savvy

He is a very strong guy, who will throw bombs (not slaps) for 12 rounds. Yes

I think Froch stands a very good chance actually. No

Hopkins took plenty of rounds with his quality, yet he didn't do nearly enough work. Debatable

Froch will fight his lungs out and if Joe is anything less than 100% could get tonked.
Yes

:good

Beatboxer

01-23-2009, 08:58 PM

Very few believe Froch has a chance outside of his fanbase....and it's been detailed heavily here why that is...

JC Wide UD...I'll be there if this happens in an instant.

Bodysnatcher

01-23-2009, 09:00 PM

Only if Calzaghe breaks his left hand within the first 4 rounds.

So, not impossible :)

TAM83

01-23-2009, 09:05 PM

If Froch lands then it could be lights out for JC. Froch is no Lacy who takes 20 minutes loading up a shot.

And Froch is no Kessler who gave Calzaghe his best shot and couldn't drop him.

Small Print

01-23-2009, 09:32 PM

Yes but Stevie Wonder could see Froch's punches coming.

:lol:

The only thing I could see happening that would give Froch a chance is that Calzaghe could drain himself to make weight.

However, I see Calzaghe boxing circles around Froch, winning most if not all rounds. Even if Froch did land, I can't see him seriously hurting Calzaghe. He has shown a great chin when he sees the punches, and Froch's punches are hardly quick or snappy.

JonOli

01-23-2009, 10:42 PM

And Froch is no Kessler who gave Calzaghe his best shot and couldn't drop him.

Kessler has OK power but it's not stunning.

JonOli

01-23-2009, 10:45 PM

I think Froch is perfect for Calzaghe. Joe wins by an easy UD.

SouthpawSlayer

01-24-2009, 03:06 AM

froch would be a good coice for calzaghe dawson is too much risk

9Ball

01-24-2009, 04:50 AM

JC wins by wide UD. JC was down early in his last two fights but was never really hurt so even if Froch catches him early it wont make a blind bit of difference. JC has way too much ring savvy for Froch.
Froch has looked good against weak opposition and in his biggest test against Pascal he was made to look average skills wise. He was swinging wide shots from bad angles all night and if it hadn't been for his decent chin he could have been ko'd easily.
JC could fight another 10 fights and would not win anything by KO. His hands are just too brittle.

imp4pdabest

01-24-2009, 04:52 AM

Hell no. Man, Froch talks alot but isn't that good.

TAM83

01-24-2009, 06:02 AM

Kessler has OK power but it's not stunning.

And Froch's is at world level?

01-24-2009, 06:29 AM

Calzaghe easy UD.

stuey

01-24-2009, 07:37 AM

icemax

01-24-2009, 10:03 AM

i am going to go completely against the general opinion here and tip froch to win....

Froch's biggest flaw was always his workrate, but he proved he can fight hard for the twelve in his last fight,other reasons are...

froch is no lacy, lacy is a short ass, froch is tall, as tall as joe and throws his shots long,making maximum advantage of his reach.

froch hits hard, and joe has looked A) a little fragile to me in his last couple, B) much easier to hit flush than he has previously, froch wouldn't let joe of the hook the way the ancient RRJ did.

Joe of three years ago wins this fight by a lopsided decision,now....i can seriously see a froch stoppage win....

I'm with you Stuey. Calzaghe is knocking on a bit now and you just never know when age is going to catch up and the wheels come off completely. When Jones dropped Cal in their fight ,Joe, whilst not seriously hurt, looked like an old man getting back to his feet but the older man just couldn't or wouldn't take advantage.

BoxingFanNo1

01-24-2009, 10:09 AM

An 80% Calzaghe beats a 100% Froch. It's Calzaghe's relentless punching thats the key imo. Stamina of a horse. Froch could floor Joe 2-3 times in the fight, don't matter. He's been put down several times but never ever looked in trouble when getting back up. In fact he starts pressing again!!!

Calzaghe UD. I'd bet my Avatar on it.

Beeston Brawler

01-24-2009, 10:26 AM

I think Calzaghe is now a slower starter than he ever was.

The best way for Froch would be to try and blast him out early.

warrior85

01-24-2009, 10:43 AM

calzaghe beats him easily,shutout ud,froch wouldnt win a round,can you say lacy pt2?

Raashid

01-24-2009, 01:47 PM

i am going to go completely against the general opinion here and tip froch to win....

Froch's biggest flaw was always his workrate, but he proved he can fight hard for the twelve in his last fight,other reasons are...

froch is no lacy, lacy is a short ass, froch is tall, as tall as joe and throws his shots long,making maximum advantage of his reach.

froch hits hard, and joe has looked A) a little fragile to me in his last couple, B) much easier to hit flush than he has previously, froch wouldn't let joe of the hook the way the ancient RRJ did.

Joe of three years ago wins this fight by a lopsided decision,now....i can seriously see a froch stoppage win....

I think this is a good post. The title of the thread is could he beat Joe "conceivably" and given Calzaghe looked hurt by both Hopkins and Jones it's conceivable that at this stage of their careers Froch could win, not necessarily just by KOing Joe. Even though he has a much lower workrate, even if he couldn't stop Joe, he could hurt him regularly and repeatedly such that Joe couldn't impose himself on the fight and win a decision.

Steve Fox

01-24-2009, 02:37 PM

As soon as Froch used his jab against Pascal, the fight never looked in doubt. Yes, he has a chance - and a better chance than a vast majority of JC's other opponents.

Championship

01-24-2009, 03:16 PM

Froch is young, hungry, skilled and powerful. If he puts Calzaghe on the floor then he won't let him off the hook. I'd bet on Froch.

quiet man ruiz

01-24-2009, 03:16 PM

Froch look ragged and tired for the whole second half of his last fight.

Calzaghe would have little trouble after round 1, by which time Joe Calzaghe has detected Froch's biohythm and will anticipate his every move and every thought.
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treva1977

01-26-2009, 10:20 AM

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

"TKO"

01-26-2009, 10:30 AM

Calzaghe has been down in the first round of his last two fights. Hopkins and Jones, for whatever reason, didn't jump on him to finish the job but if Froch had joe in that position he would. Earlyish stoppage is his best hope for victory.

If it was a case of all they had to do was jump on him and the job would have been over, don't you think they would have done so? Truth was, JC got up steady on his feet from both those KDs and a fighter knows when he is in that position whether his opponent is badly hurt or whether he's up and okay. Calzaghe was up and okay both times, and world class fighters don't jump in throwing recklessly just because they scored a knockdown. Anyway, I don't see what Froch has that those guys, even late in their career, don't - his power looks decent but is not proven against anybody top class.

SeasideSlugger

01-26-2009, 10:31 AM

I think Froch has a good chance. He certainly wont get sparked and has plenty of variety and pop in his punches.

I think it would actually turn out like a Froch-Pascal and Calzaghe-Kessler type toe to toe *******.

A "Schooling" from Calzaghe is wide of the mark. He should win but I think Froch has plenty about him for the upset.

ThePlugInBabies

01-26-2009, 11:02 AM

froch is slow slow slow. painfully slow. he doesn't have the laser guided accuracy of a hopkins or that quick spurt of handspeed that an RJJ brings to catch calzaghe out. the guy looks like he's fighting underwater.

this fight doesn't make any sense to me apart from the domestic angle. froch is a title holder with zero defences in the weightclass below calzaghe. should the welshman look to continue then hopkins and dawson are far more deserving of a shot at him and much more difficult challenges.

TFFP

01-26-2009, 11:06 AM

This is truely pathetic analysis.

He fights like he has superglue on the bottom of his boots, and he has the p4p handspeed of Valuev. How the hell is he going to hit Calzaghe with the quick shots (and forearm) that Hopkins and Jones did when he couldn't even show that precision against Jean Pascal?

And what the hell is up with his defence? I imagine Calzaghe slapping him senseless, I mean come on. This is not serious.

Guy

01-26-2009, 04:11 PM

I honestly can't see Carl beating Joe, as much as i like him.

I mean Froch has a great array of shots which I don't think he really delved into against Pascal and he's exciting to watch IMO but Joe's adaptable to all styles and Carl's style is something Joe's seen before.
I feel he'd mix it with Carl but also stay on the outside and rack up.
No stoppage though Carls chin is V good and I think and Joe's days of KO's are gone now, he's just adapted his style to win in other ways.

JC UD

I'd like to see Froch/Miranda it would be a good tester to see which level he's at before a Froch/Pavlik or Taylor i would prefer Pavlik though

gutto

01-26-2009, 06:44 PM

I think Carl could give JC all the trouble he could he handle. Jc has the pace no doubt but can not hit for shit. Froch likes to go forward and meet JC head on and has good power. This would be a great fight.

riot187

01-26-2009, 06:50 PM

No. Froch is far too easy to hit and Joe would just use his experience and pitter patter his way to a points victory with Froch becoming increasingly demoralised, but never hurt.

riot187

01-26-2009, 06:52 PM

I'd like to see Froch/Miranda it would be a good tester to see which level he's at before a Froch/Pavlik or Taylor i would prefer Pavlik though

Great shout as Miranda seems to be pretty much of a gatekeeper these days. Would make for an exciting fight as well. Damn, my appetite's done been wetted for this one now. Make it Hennessy!

Dibbs

01-26-2009, 08:19 PM

I think if the fight happens it will be a toe 2 toe slugfest, both trying to prove they can take each others big shots. Both will be confident, and Froch certainly has a chance to spring an upset. As for Calzaghe knocking out Froch in a few rounds, i don't see it happening. Would be a good match up though, certainly one for the fans....

Primadonna Kool

01-26-2009, 09:04 PM

Carl Froch's movement is satisfactory..

Carl Froch's hand speed is decent....

Carl Froch's workrate is average...

Carl Froch is no 168 Mike Tyson, so he is not TKO or KOing....Joe Calzaghe.

Carl Froch's fights like a fighter who thinks he has the reflexes of a Prince Naseem Hamed or Roy Jones Junior.

But sadly he does not have these powers, therefore that is why he gets hit allot.

Joe Calzaghe would UD Carl Froch, sticking and moving. Even inside the pocketing with combinations, Carl Froch will not really be able to trade with him. It is very difficult to punch with Joe Calzaghe inside, at the same time.

Because he works in small cluster shots, Joe Calzaghe operates with cluster bombs. Most fighters, cover up and wait for the raid to finish then get their work off, some try to avoid the cluster bombs and engage with a single or double counter attack..i.e Bernard Hopkins.

I am convince the way to really beat Joe Calzaghe is to hit him to the body, sustained concentration on the body. And every now and then, coming up top with power punches. Bully him inside like Bernard Hopkins did and just make it a street fight........

SteelTownCobra

01-27-2009, 05:22 AM

Conceivably, yes.

SeasideSlugger

01-27-2009, 07:15 AM

Because he works in small cluster shots, Joe Calzaghe operates with cluster bombs. Most fighters, cover up and wait for the raid to finish then get their work off, some try to avoid the cluster bombs and engage with a single or double counter attack..i.e Bernard Hopkins.
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Kessler opened up at the same time and for me came off better in many of cluster exchanges. Joe adapted, like he does though and got a great victory.

There's been a few comments on this and other threads about his last fight knockdowns, saying he was as fresh as a daisy after both. The first fair enough, more inconvenience than anything else, got up, straight back to it, still fresh. Now the RJJ KD, Calzaghe was hurt and wobbled and after getting shakily to his feet he was in trouble. It was a forearm and 20 seconds later he was fine and all that but the first instant he got up he was in bother.

To say he was fresh is defying what your eyes should have been telling you.

Olu G. Rotimi

01-27-2009, 11:03 AM

Actually I do. He has the tools.

JediPimp007

01-27-2009, 11:35 AM

Calzaghe's handspeed and movement will frustrate Froch all night and I dont think he can land nearly enough to put him down let alone stop him. Comfortable and clear (possibly even easy) UD for JC.

PrideOfWales

01-28-2009, 11:35 AM

Froch cannot outbox Calzaghe.

Froch cannot outwork Calzaghe.

Froch could use the Robin Reid model to maximize his chances. Froch would need to get in Calzaghe's face way before the fight and get to him personally. Calzaghe is susceptable to losing his rag with some of his opponents in the past. When Calzaghe says "I don't like the guy" when he talks about Froch... I really believe him. In fact, I'm sure he dislikes him.

Reid made it personal against Calzaghe and Calzaghe looked pretty awful in that fight. To a lesser extent, Hopkins did the same. I think Calzaghe forgets what he does best if he gets involved beforehand. His best performances have come against fighters who have shown him respect.

In the ring, the signs were there against Reid and Hopkins. If I were training Froch, I'd tie his left arm behind his back for 12 weeks and just make him use his right hand. Froch would get nowhere near Calzaghe with that jab... it would be a completely redundant option and a waste of time. Froch's best/only chance would be to stay in range, be prepared to take a lot of shots and bang the big right hand everytime Calzaghe throws.

kosaros

01-28-2009, 11:40 AM

Calzaghe UD - I feel it would be 10-2 in rounds, Calzaghe is just a big class above Froch, even at the age of 37.

cityofgod

01-28-2009, 12:23 PM

Calzaghe will be busy 'shoe shining' when Froch KO's him with an uppercut.

TFFP

01-28-2009, 12:32 PM

Calzaghe will be busy 'shoe shining' when Froch KO's him with an uppercut.
:lol:

Like he did to Jean Pascal? What on earth makes you think he could do it to Joe Calzaghe? :yep

Buggo

01-28-2009, 06:42 PM

The only conceivable way I can see Froch winning is by early TKO. Calzaghe has been floored early in his last two outings and if Froch could do the same, and then ’jump’ on him when he gets up, well…..

Still, with Joe’s good chin and seemingly quick recovery prowess even this is unlikely. Joe by wide UD!

TommyV

01-28-2009, 06:46 PM

No.

I like both fighters, but Calzaghe decisions him and decisions him easily.

Froch has nothing to problem him, Calzaghe doesn't have to take him out, so his chin isn't any problem, neither is his power. He won't land, if he does, JC has a great chin.

steelem

01-28-2009, 07:35 PM

froch has no chance against kessler - let alone calzaghe!!!

mrbassie

01-29-2009, 04:33 AM

I don't think so, no. It'd go the distance though. Froch makes me laugh though "to be honest I think Joe Calzaghe's a little bit thick"

lolb

02-01-2009, 06:07 AM

It would definitely go the distance but Calzaghe by a landslide. Froch's only chance is the ko but I can't see that happening. He doesn't have the skill to out box Calzaghe and Joe wouldn't be stupid enough to stand and trade bombs like Pascal.

DarkDestroyer83

02-01-2009, 10:22 AM

Calzaghe is all wrong for Froch IMO, Froch will no doubt go looking for Joe hoping to score with the big shots but Joe thrives when faced with come forward opponents.

Wide decision for JC if this fight happened.

mikeywba111

02-01-2009, 05:55 PM

calzaghe easy UD, froch would get outclassed and outboxed

nicofly

02-01-2009, 06:48 PM

Rumours are going round that Joe C will end his career in Cardiff with a big domestic showdown against Carl Froch.

Considering Joe has been one of the very best fighters in the world for the past few years and Carl has only just won his first world title, it's only right that Joe, as the more proven fighter with a stronger deeper resume and pound-for-pound world recognition, will start as a strong strong favourite.

But does anyone think that Froch could achieve a huge upset??

I can't see it myself, I think Joe's handspeed would be too much for Carl to deal with and it would result in a comfortable UD, but as always when I have a strong belief in the result of a fight before it happens, I like to ask people who think the opposite to explain why.

Anyone?

I personally think Froch has the artillery to beat Calzaghe. I think his awkward style and good repetiore of powerful punches could trouble Calzaghe.

He use his Jab to good effect and if he caught Joe walking onto one of those big right uppercuts or big right hands too many times I think Joe could be in deep trouble.

I think Froch is near his peak and could certainly give Calzaghe one of his toughest fights yet.

I dont think anyone eles has a chance of beating Calzaghe apart from Froch @ SMW or Hopkins @ LHW in a rematch.