Will you consider winner of Mosley-Cotto over Floyd at 147?

[Stinky gloves]

Floyds win over Oscar doesn't count bcs it was one class up.
The winner of the Mosley-Cotto will have much more impressive resume than Floyd at the 147 lb.

[brooklyn1550]

Not head to head, but accomplishment wise, yes. If Cotto wins, he would have wins over Quintana, Urkal, Judah, and Mosley and if Mosley wins, he would have wins over Collazo and Cotto. Mayweather's wins over Mitchell, Judah, and Baldomir would fall a little short.

[BigReg]

Floyds win over Oscar doesn't count bcs it was one class up.
The winner of the Mosley-Cotto will have much more impressive resume than Floyd at the 147 lb.

Shane would but not neccessarily Cotto. Let's look at the Resumes

Cotto(assuming he wins)

Quintana, Urkal, Zab, Mosely

Floyd(assuming he wins)

Mitchell, Zab, Baldo, Hatton

That's pretty close

[brooklyn1550]

Shane would

Are you counting Shane's previous stay at 147 or his resume since moving back down?

[brooklyn1550]

Mitchell Judah Baldomir and Hatton is more than enough for #1 in the WW division
I didn't add Hatton since the fight will take place 1 month later, but when Mayweather beats Hatton, then he would be right back at number 1 in my opinion.

[Jose FM]

Not head to head, but accomplishment wise, yes. If Cotto wins, he would have wins over Quintana, Urkal, Judah, and Mosley and if Mosley wins, he would have wins over Collazo and Cotto. Mayweather's wins over Mitchell, Judah, and Baldomir would fall a little short.
Those are just over the past year but Mosley clearly has the better resume out of everyone just cause hes been around for longer. Floyd has only fought 3 at welter including two Journeymen, and a fighter that is 4-3-0-1 as a Welter in Judah and now is gonna fight a real jr. welter in ricky hatton, so Floyd by a longshot has the worse record of any of the top guys at Welter.:deal

[Jose FM]

Mitchell Judah Baldomir and Hatton is more than enough for #1 in the WW division
No way.:lol:

[Jose FM]

Shane would but not neccessarily Cotto. Let's look at the Resumes

Cotto(assuming he wins)

Quintana, Urkal, Zab, Mosely

Floyd(assuming he wins)

Mitchell, Zab, Baldo, Hatton

That's pretty close
If Cotto wins Mosley would be the best name out of any of Floyds wins, EVER! So, you should re-think that one. Also if theres any need for a tie-breaker then it would go to more impressive wins, and head-to-head opponents have fared worse against Cotto.

[KhanB]

Im not a fan PBF but if he beats Hatton, wont people just say he's ducking somebdoy else. When he fought Judah he was dissed by some of ducking Baldo, when he fought Baldo he was accused of ducking Margo. Besides, neither Cotto/Mosley or May would even mention Williams or Clottey right now.

[codeman99998]

Floyd is the lineal champ at 147. Until he loses I still think he's the best at 147 and place no one above him.

[Alo2006]

To answer the question, nope.

[Jose FM]

Im not a fan PBF but if he beats Hatton, wont people just say he's ducking somebdoy else. When he fought Judah he was dissed by some of ducking Baldo, when he fought Baldo he was accused of ducking Margo. Besides, neither Cotto/Mosley or May would even mention Williams or Clottey right now.
Youre saying alot here, first of, Mayweathers a Welterweight right? So why when everyone from Margarito to Mosley have been calling out Mayweather for longer than Hatton and even Williams after his victory over Margarito called out Mayweather is Floyd fighting a smaller man , argueably the weaker competition in Hatton. Floyd is p4p no? So why is he fighting the lesser comp. Second, people call Margo a hype job, but Margo has consistantly fought better opposition at Welter than anyone but Mosley, and fought guys that no one including floyd would touch in Clottey, Williams and was on his way to fight Cotto. Third, yeah he got credit for fight Baldo, but in reality baldo was a journeyman who had 9 losses on his record! And Baldo beat Judah, so what does that really say bout Judah? Floyd wants respect that the only way you can archieve respect in boxing is by fighting the best, so far hes been cherry picking.:deal

[Ramshall1]

Youre saying alot here, first of, Mayweathers a Welterweight right? So why when everyone from Margarito to Mosley have been calling out Mayweather for longer than Hatton and even Williams after his victory over Margarito called out Mayweather is Floyd fighting a smaller man , argueably the weaker competition in Hatton. Floyd is p4p no? So why is he fighting the lesser comp. Second, people call Margo a hype job, but Margo has consistantly fought better opposition at Welter than anyone but Mosley, and fought guys that no one including floyd would touch in Clottey, Williams and was on his way to fight Cotto. Third, yeah he got credit for fight Baldo, but in reality baldo was a journeyman who had 9 losses on his record! And Baldo beat Judah, so what does that really say bout Judah? Floyd wants respect that the only way you can archieve respect in boxing is by fighting the best, so far hes been cherry picking.:deal

and continues to do so.

[BigReg]

If Cotto wins Mosley would be the best name out of any of Floyds wins, EVER! So, you should re-think that one. Also if theres any need for a tie-breaker then it would go to more impressive wins, and head-to-head opponents have fared worse against Cotto.

I'm gonna disregard the last part of your statement is it is irrelevant in the context of this argument. Let's compare their opponents

Quintana v. Mitchell - 30 yr. old former Cotto sparring partner who's only good win was against a prospect against washed up former contedder. edge- Quintana

Judah v. Urkal - Young, fast, still dangerous contender coming off a dissapointing loss vs. a light hitting, over the hill former contender. edge - Judah

Baldo vs. Judah - Old Linear champ coming off two big wins and riding a 9 year undeaten streak vs. young, fast, dangerous contender coming off of two losses(including one against Baldo) and a year layoff. edge - Baldo

Hatton v. Mosely - Undefeated prime p4p fighter with good power, underrated speed and limited boxing skills and defense vs. old former p4p great with good speed, debatable power, and suspect defense and boxing skills. edge - toss up , but I'll give Mosely the edge

That's 2-2. That's close

[Ramshall1]

the Judah that fought Cotto was clearly better than any Baldomir, with all due respect to his win over Judah.

[Alo2006]

I'm gonna disregard the last part of your statement is it is irrelevant in the context of this argument. Let's compare their opponents

Quintana v. Mitchell - 30 yr. old former Cotto sparring partner who's only good win was against a prospect against washed up former contedder. edge- Quintana

Judah v. Urkal - Young, fast, still dangerous contender coming off a dissapointing loss vs. a light hitting, over the hill former contender. edge - Judah

Baldo vs. Judah - Old Linear champ coming off two big wins and riding a 9 year undeaten streak vs. young, fast, dangerous contender coming off of two losses(including one against Baldo) and a year layoff. edge - Baldo

Hatton v. Mosely - Undefeated prime p4p fighter with good power, underrated speed and limited boxing skills and defense vs. old former p4p great with good speed, debatable power, and suspect defense and boxing skills. edge - toss up , but I'll give Mosely the edge

That's 2-2. That's close

:good

[BigReg]

the Judah that fought Cotto was clearly better than any Baldomir, with all due respect to his win over Judah.

It doesn't work that way. Those fights were a year and a half apart. Judah and Baldo fought eachother, Baldo won, Baldo gets the edge in the resume department

[sugar_ray]

when is the fight?

[KhanB]

Youre saying alot here, first of, Mayweathers a Welterweight right? So why when everyone from Margarito to Mosley have been calling out Mayweather for longer than Hatton and even Williams after his victory over Margarito called out Mayweather is Floyd fighting a smaller man , argueably the weaker competition in Hatton. Floyd is p4p no? So why is he fighting the lesser comp. Second, people call Margo a hype job, but Margo has consistantly fought better opposition at Welter than anyone but Mosley, and fought guys that no one including floyd would touch in Clottey, Williams and was on his way to fight Cotto. Third, yeah he got credit for fight Baldo, but in reality baldo was a journeyman who had 9 losses on his record! And Baldo beat Judah, so what does that really say bout Judah? Floyd wants respect that the only way you can archieve respect in boxing is by fighting the best, so far hes been cherry picking.:deal

I kinda drifted off subject but my main point was that unless Floyd challenges a middleweight or something, people will always say hes ducking somebody or he's not the man in the weight class he's in. Im aware he brings most of this on himself by saying hes the GOAT. But at the same time he does seem to be at least in the top three. When did Mosley start calling May out? Was it after the Vargas fight when Merchant asked him about fighting May and Mosley said he had a toothache? Mosley has too many people in his ear telling him when its safe to call somebody out. Also, Hatton got himself in this mess when he called May a boring fighter after he beat worn Castillo so thats why this fight is on. IMO if Floyd ever fights either Cotto or Williams after he most likely beats Hatton he is pretty much P4P #1 but i would never say something crazy like he top 25 all time.

[Ramshall1]

It doesn't work that way. Those fights were a year and a half apart. Judah and Baldo fought eachother, Baldo won, Baldo gets the edge in the resume department

come on now, you were talking bout impressive wins. . . and Cottos win over Juda was clearly more impressive than FMJ's win over Baldy . . . plus, Cotto stopped Judah brutally. Fraud ran from Baldy.

[BobDigi5060]

No until they beat him.

[BigReg]

come on now, you were talking bout impressive wins. . . and Cottos win over Juda was clearly more impressive than FMJ's win over Baldy . . . plus, Cotto stopped Judah brutally. Fraud ran from Baldy.

I don't know about that. The way Cotto won was more impressive, but Floyd beating a legit champion, who hadn't lost in 9 years was more impressive than Cotto beating a guy who had lost 2 in a row and hadn't had a real fight in over a year.

[Jose FM]

I'm gonna disregard the last part of your statement is it is irrelevant in the context of this argument. Let's compare their opponents

Quintana v. Mitchell - 30 yr. old former Cotto sparring partner who's only good win was against a prospect against washed up former contedder. edge- Quintana

Judah v. Urkal - Young, fast, still dangerous contender coming off a dissapointing loss vs. a light hitting, over the hill former contender. edge - Judah

Baldo vs. Judah - Old Linear champ coming off two big wins and riding a 9 year undeaten streak vs. young, fast, dangerous contender coming off of two losses(including one against Baldo) and a year layoff. edge - Baldo

Hatton v. Mosely - Undefeated prime p4p fighter with good power, underrated speed and limited boxing skills and defense vs. old former p4p great with good speed, debatable power, and suspect defense and boxing skills. edge - toss up , but I'll give Mosely the edge

That's 2-2. That's close
I think instead of disregarding it you should take it into consideration because whenever theres a tie, KO's or more impressive wins always come into play.
Also, when Cotto moved up he immediately fought for a title, not against some hobo in Mitchell.

[Ramshall1]

I don't know about that. The way Cotto won was more impressive, but Floyd beating a legit champion, who hadn't lost in 9 years was more impressive than Cotto beating a guy who had lost 2 in a row and hadn't had a real fight in over a year.

good point about Judah. . . I thought exactly the same thing before the fight but Zab impressed and suprised me, he put up a helluva fight, looked like he hurt Cotto once or twice but simply got beat down.

Not that its an excuse for losing but we all know Zab can be an idiot and not take some training camps seriously, he was playing video games instead of training for Baldomir.

Plus, by most accounts Baldy shoulda had a loss to Clottey but the ref saved him.

[JAM Killer]

I consider Mosley to be a better fighter now, and after he knocks out Cotto I would love to see him get it on with Mayweather in a mega fight.

[BigReg]

good point about Judah. . . I thought exactly the same thing before the fight but Zab impressed and suprised me, he put up a helluva fight, looked like he hurt Cotto once or twice but simply got beat down.

Not that its an excuse for losing but we all know Zab can be an idiot and not take some training camps seriously, he was playing video games instead of training for Baldomir.

Plus, by most accounts Baldy shoulda had a loss to Clottey but the ref saved him.

No doubt about that Baldy was saved in that one. That's the thing about boxing, things change in a hurry. When Mayweather signed to fight Judah, Judah was the undisputed champ. Had Judah beaten Baldo, Mayweather's win over Judah would have been alot more impressive. Hopefully Floyd and Cotto win, and they can settle it in the ring.

[JAM Killer]

Zab is not a finisher, he has mental problems and he should not be fighting. He just should not be in the ring, he is just a retard, when he has a man hurt he softens up and only throws the jab . . . who the hell does that. Zab really isn't that good.

[Ramshall1]

No doubt about that Baldy was saved in that one. That's the thing about boxing, things change in a hurry. When Mayweather signed to fight Judah, Judah was the undisputed champ. Had Judah beaten Baldo, Mayweather's win over Judah would have been alot more impressive. Hopefully Floyd and Cotto win, and they can settle it in the ring.

Yup, as a boxing fan Im glad fights like Cotto-Shane, Taylor-Pavlik and Cal-Kessler are being made. . . we just had Izzy-Rafa II, Pav-Miranda and PW-AM. All good fights for boxing.

[King Dan]

I would consider the LOSER of Cotto/ Mosley over Floyd.. and so would Floyd, that is why he is fighting Hatton :deal

That's a very articulate point, although Floyd will fight the winner unless the public calls for Mosley - Cotto II.

Right now, I think both Shane and Floyd beat Cotto.

Shane vs. Floyd is 50/50.

Fuck it, all three of these matchups are 50/50 for all intents.

[Jose FM]

Yup, as a boxing fan Im glad fights like Cotto-Shane, Taylor-Pavlik and Cal-Kessler are being made. . . we just had Izzy-Rafa II, Pav-Miranda and PW-AM. All good fights for boxing.
And to paraphase Hatton, there has been a Mayweather fight that i can say ive ever thought to be a classic, like one that i can just pop in and watch, cause theyre boring!

[Stinky gloves]

Do you think Floyd will agree to fight winner of Mosley-Cotto after he potentially beat Hatton?
I think if he don't his legacy will be hurt very badly.