Ali-Frazier 4, 1981

[Smokin'Joe100]

Who do you believe would prevail in this almost horrific match-up? A totally shot Ali who is already being consumed with the symptoms of Parkinson's syndrome, or a totally washed-up frazier with vision in one eye only and a pitful workrate?

I believe Ali had a punch once reminisent of a jab left, and if he employed this he may be able to keep Joe at bay, but Joe also could easily outwork Ali. Who knows, the hostility between these two they'd probably put on a cracking display even if they fought tomorrow!

Whats your opinion?

[Piffer]

I don't care who the winner would be. I would not want to see this fight. Both of them were done by this point.

[Jose FM]

No way this fight happens

[mr. magoo]

Well, Ali went the distance with a prime Berbick, while Frazier drew with a journeyman named Floyd Cummings. Ali had been the more active of the two in recent years, and although was suffering from parkinson's syndrome, wasn't any less cognitive than Frazier at that point.

Prediction: Ali W 10 Frazier

[ironchamp]

Well, Ali went the distance with a prime Berbick, while Frazier drew with a journeyman named Floyd Cummings. Ali had been the more active of the two in recent years, and although was suffering from parkinson's syndrome, wasn't any less cognitive than Frazier at that point.

Prediction: Ali W 10 Frazier

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[JohnThomas1]

Well, Ali went the distance with a prime Berbick, while Frazier drew with a journeyman named Floyd Cummings. Ali had been the more active of the two in recent years, and although was suffering from parkinson's syndrome, wasn't any less cognitive than Frazier at that point.

Prediction: Ali W 10 Frazier

Fair call.

[Duodenum]

Ali took everything Frazier could dish out in Manila, then beat him into defeat. He'd taken what Earnie Shavers brought to the table, then nearly finished him off in round 15. He dominated Leon Spinks in their rematch, 11 rounds to 4, on his toes nearly the whole way. He did better against Trevor Berbick than John Tate and Greg Page. Muhammad owned Joe psychologically. This would have been anticlimactic, especially if Ali did not abuse his thyrolar medication, and came in under 220. Ali UD 10 Frazier, and the eventual outcome would become apparent fairly early.

In 1981, Muhammad was still a world class heavyweight, if no longer of championship caliber. Only contender class competitors could hang with Berbick at that stage of Trevor's career. Ali would have given Cummings a boxing lesson. Frazier was simply no longer in the same league, and Ali's legs never really deserted him. He may not have been able to dance much anymore, but they were still sufficient to hold him upright. (After this period of time, Muhammad was taking 14 mile walks.)

[Sweet Science]

You'd have to be pretty sadistic to even imagine this fight.

Who would win? I don't know.

[Duodenum]

You'd have to be pretty sadistic to even imagine this fight.

Who would win? I don't know.Well, being a former fan of the sport, yeah, I guess that would make me sadistic. (Let's face it, this is about watching people punching away at other people.)

[Sweet Science]

Well, being a former fan of the sport, yeah, I guess that would make me sadistic. (Let's face it, this is about watching people punching away at other people.)

This match up would be a little more than just watching people punching away at each other. It would be sick, simply because of the physical state of each man at the time.

[fists of fury]

Former fan? Do tell.

[Duodenum]

Former fan? Do tell.Not much to tell. I simply drifted away from it as the naturally evolved 15 round championship distance was replaced with the artificially imposed 12 round limit. For me, the watershed moment came when SRL decisioned Hagler over 12 rounds, rather than 15. (If the 15 round distance was still standard, I might have never abandoned boxing, but who knows? I might have moved on anyways.) Those who govern boxing tampered with it in too fundamental a way to maintain my interest. I've previously described my disdain for the 12 round limit, mandatory headgear in amateur competition, and other distasteful changes elsewhere on ESB. (Hell, what passes for boxing today is better off for my disinterest to it.) This is why I only post about boxing exclusively on ESB Classic.

[Duodenum]

This match up would be a little more than just watching people punching away at each other. It would be sick, simply because of the physical state of each man at the time.Naw, what's sick is seeing "Macho" Camacho boxing in a skirt! (What's next, eye shadow?)

[Sweet Science]

Naw, what's sick is seeing "Macho" Camacho boxing in a skirt! (What's next, eye shadow?)

Don't remind me that was just plain disgusting.

[Duodenum]

Don't remind me that was just plain disgusting.:dead

[fists of fury]

Not much to tell. I simply drifted away from it as the naturally evolved 15 round championship distance was replaced with the artificially imposed 12 round limit. For me, the watershed moment came when SRL decisioned Hagler over 12 rounds, rather than 15. (If the 15 round distance was still standard, I might have never abandoned boxing, but who knows? I might have moved on anyways.) Those who govern boxing tampered with it in too fundamental a way to maintain my interest. I've previously described my disdain for the 12 round limit, mandatory headgear in amateur competition, and other distasteful changes elsewhere on ESB. (Hell, what passes for boxing today is better off for my disinterest to it.) This is why I only post about boxing exclusively on ESB Classic.

I see.
You're missing some great fights though.

[Duodenum]

I see.
You're missing some great fights though.So I've been told. But the imposition of the 12 round limit paved the way for previously inferior boxers to become champions almost immediately. It is the exclusive reason for Edwin Rosario being in the IBHOF. (If his first match with Ramirez had been for 15 rounds, Rosario would have unquestionably lost.)

Around a century ago, four rounds was the limit in California. The way boxing is cowing to the medical lobby, I wouldn't be too surprised if it degenerated to that again. In that case, we might as well include Beanfart in the HOF.

[fists of fury]

Honestly, I expect the 12 round limit to become a 10 round limit down the road.
I agree with you on the 15 round limit though. They should never have done away with it.

[Smokin'Joe100]

Naturally boxing will get shorter. 12 becomes 10, then 8, then 6, 4, then either 2 rounds or the closure of the sport.