WOW just watched Margarito vs Mosley [Archive]

robpalmer135

01-25-2009, 07:17 AM

think it just proves that styles make fight. Mosley gotta be in the top 25 ever.

i has Mosley looseing to Mayorga and Cotto, then he pulls this out.

fantastic. exactly why i love boxing.

brown bomber

01-25-2009, 07:19 AM

think it just proves that styles make fight. Mosley gotta be in the top 25 ever.

i has Mosley looseing to Mayorga and Cotto, then he pulls this out.

fantastic. exactly why i love boxing.ot even close to the top 25 but your right Rob it was a fantastic fight.

GazOC

01-25-2009, 07:32 AM

Top 50-75 maybe but SSM was amazing last night. I thought he could pull out a points win but this was amazing...

trotter

01-25-2009, 07:39 AM

I'm still shocked. I don't think Maragrito looked right, but I'll put that down to how Shane made him look.

I think the hand speed was decisive, for all that Margarito is, if the other guy keeps landing clean, full blooded right hands and you are struggling to land anything on him, you will be in deep water. Especially when the 'other guy' is Mosley.

I just think Mosley blows hot and cold these days. He was vintage against Collazo, not great against Cotto, terrible against Mayorga, then superb last night.

I'm a bit gutted as I am a big fan of Margarito. I wanted him to dominate 147 for a while. I thought he would too.

GazOC

01-25-2009, 07:45 AM

It was handspeed and variety of punches for me. Pretty every time margo was out of position Mosely made him pay and that overhand right couldn't miss.

antcull

01-25-2009, 07:55 AM

Just watched it myself and ssm was bloody unreal last night! Could have seen a close pts win but never something that dominant...those right hands were brutal!

SSM is the man :deal

trotter

01-25-2009, 07:59 AM

It was handspeed and variety of punches for me. Pretty every time margo was out of position Mosely made him pay and that overhand right couldn't miss.

At the end of the day Shane punished the mistakes Margarito makes (and gets away with) most fights... he comes forward with little head movement, backs away with his hands down at times (the big left that started the finishing stanza caught Margarito napping as they separated), and he starts slow. Mosley leapt all over these flaws.

And he kept the work-rate down by tying Margarito up inside, slowing the pace, so Margarito couldn't wear him down like he did with Cotto.

Add to that Shane's power and toughness and I guess he's got Margarito's number.

A very smart, well executed fight by a guy who had more left physically than I imagined.

Grievesy

01-25-2009, 08:04 AM

I was shocked by how dominant Mosley was. And a stoppage? Really couldn't see that coming.

Great showing by Sugar Shane. The speed and power killed Margarito.

maka

01-25-2009, 09:12 AM

WHAT A PERFORMANCE !!!!!

after what people said about margarito's chin after cotto, those were weapons of mass distruction sugar shane was dishing out, fuckin class fight, and glad i stayed up for it, i liked when mosley says "i'm half mexican" lol because he's grew up boxing mexicans, you tend to forget that, he'll know whats in front of him and how to attack it :bbb

TFFP

01-25-2009, 10:28 AM

I'm very pleased.

Margarito's shit has gone WAY overboard since he beat Cotto. People thought this guy was a beast. Even my summation Pacquiao could beat him does not look so silly now! Infact it looks positively likely!

There is no clear #1 at welter. Just different styles, they are all at the same level.

robpalmer135

01-25-2009, 10:56 AM

i think it shows what mayweather would of done to marg.

djb2009

01-25-2009, 11:57 AM

i think it shows what mayweather would of done to marg.

:yep

Tuffnutz

01-25-2009, 12:59 PM

mike464

01-25-2009, 01:07 PM

Shane Mosley is the man. He's obviously not as good as he used to be but it did look like the old Mosley for moments last night. Hopefully he can get revenge over Cotto next.

KCD

01-25-2009, 01:08 PM

Whilst people have been wondering how Cotto will look and how much his fight against Margarito took out of him, im wondering if a part of Margarito was left in the ring that night aswell.

What i think was the major factor for Shane winning was his ability to match Margarito for strength on the inside.

A great win for Mosley.

pne buz

01-25-2009, 03:20 PM

Considering the opponent and Mosleys age i thought it was a better and more polished performance than Calzaghes systematical beat down of Lacy!A joy to watch!

scurlaruntings

01-25-2009, 04:04 PM

It was beautiful. :cry:

If there is one man all fighter's should look up to it's Shane Mosley.

He never ducked anyone, fought everyone, had loss after loss then became the man again at 147.

Fucking unreal! :happy

I bet Scurla is over the moon. :thumbsupScurla`s now watched the fight 15 times so far :lol: Shane is THE fucking man. Im more shocked to see that guys never realised his brilliance from years ago. This is a guy that has fought everyone who was someone and ducked nobody. The guys a throwback like Hopkins. Cherish him while his here as he doesnt have much time left.

icemax

01-25-2009, 06:26 PM

SSM is the man :deal

Last night he was....but there is always the question about drugs :think

SouthpawSlayer

01-25-2009, 06:43 PM

dont worry about the drugs the tests will prove sugar shane is clean and his red blood cell count will be as normal as your average joe

brown bomber

01-25-2009, 07:01 PM

What do you guys wanna see next?

Cotto-Mosley 2
Mosley-Mayweather
Mosley-Pacman
Mosley-Hatton
Mosley-AN other

Achilleslststnd

01-25-2009, 07:10 PM

What do you guys wanna see next?

Cotto-Mosley 2
Mosley-Mayweather
Mosley-Pacman
Mosley-Hatton
Mosley-AN other

He should give up the 15/20 lbs and take a one-off at SMW/LHW and give this one a pound-for-pound royal beat down:lol:

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mike464

01-25-2009, 08:50 PM

There was talk of Hopkins-Mosley after Shane beat DLH the second time but he lost to Wright twice.

Maxime

01-26-2009, 12:23 AM

It's always awesome to see old veteran school younger fighters.

Hopkins-Pavlik
Mosley-Margarito

Who's next? :D

Darni187

01-26-2009, 04:23 AM

Thats why I love HAND SPEED and POWER. Handspeed is a gift either you have it or you dont. Boxing skills and knowing how to box can be learnt but Speed and Power is God given. Handspeed can upset any oppenents gameplan if used right, and my God didnt SSM do that, AM did not know what was going on in the fight and how to control the tempo. AM has no defence just his IRON chin which SSM wore down and stopped. SSM looked and performed great for a 37 year old.

Great fight

TFFP

01-26-2009, 05:41 AM

Mosley-Cotto could be a logical fight if Cotto returns well. It was close the first time so why not?

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:48 AM

Darni187

01-26-2009, 06:40 AM

Yep, no matter how hard you train you never get any faster or stronger... makes you wonder why people bother training?

Training= over-rated

Improvements can be made to speed and power if you train but to a limit. For example Margarito can train for 10 years but will never be as fast as Mosley, it's just a fact of life either you got it or you dont.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 08:54 AM

Improvements can be made to speed and power if you train but to a limit. For example Margarito can train for 10 years but will never be as fast as Mosley, it's just a fact of life either you got it or you dont. If Margarito spent a lifetime training and fighting like Shane Mosley with the same mind-set as Mosley, then he would probably be as fast.

Fighters are trained differently, approach fights differently. Thats why they box at different speeds.

stake501

01-26-2009, 09:00 AM

There aint nothing sweeter than Sugar Shane......Speed kills...bring on Mayweather.....what a performance

Darni187

01-26-2009, 09:55 AM

If Margarito spent a lifetime training and fighting like Shane Mosley with the same mind-set as Mosley, then he would probably be as fast.

Fighters are trained differently, approach fights differently. Thats why they box at different speeds.

Some fighters are just faster than others, sure if you train for a life time just working on speed you can get there in the end. Fast hand speed is a natural talent on which if you work on can make you even more faster. I am sure every fighter would like fast hand speed because it would make boxing easier.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 10:57 AM

Some fighters are just faster than others, sure if you train for a life time just working on speed you can get there in the end. Fast hand speed is a natural talent on which if you work on can make you even more faster. I am sure every fighter would like fast hand speed because it would make boxing easier.Ok thanks for clearing that up... Been fast is natural, unless you work on it in which case you'll eventually get faster unnaturally. :huh

scurlaruntings

01-26-2009, 11:00 AM

Some fighters are just faster than others, sure if you train for a life time just working on speed you can get there in the end. Fast hand speed is a natural talent on which if you work on can make you even more faster. I am sure every fighter would like fast hand speed because it would make boxing easier.Ke?:huh Care to share the magic formula. Matter of fact you might want to email Margarito right now.

onourway

01-26-2009, 11:04 AM

If Margarito spent a lifetime training and fighting like Shane Mosley with the same mind-set as Mosley, then he would probably be as fast.

Fighters are trained differently, approach fights differently. Thats why they box at different speeds.

Hand speed is just a natural talent.

Sure you can make yourself faster, but it's impossible for a guy like Margarito to ever make himself as quick as Mosley.

dan-b

01-26-2009, 11:05 AM

Some fighters are just faster than others, sure if you train for a life time just working on speed you can get there in the end. Fast hand speed is a natural talent on which if you work on can make you even more faster. I am sure every fighter would like fast hand speed because it would make boxing easier.

Wow, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity now has competiton for being the most insightful piece of science ever written!

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:13 AM

Ke?:huh Care to share the magic formula. Matter of fact you might want to email Margarito right now.:lol: [Only registered and activated users can see links]

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:14 AM

Wow, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity now has competiton for being the most insightful piece of science ever written!Yeeessss.... Mr B... How much do you hate Calzaghe?

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:15 AM

Hand speed is just a natural talent.

Sure you can make yourself faster, but it's impossible for a guy like Margarito to ever make himself as quick as Mosley.Why?

TFFP

01-26-2009, 11:17 AM

It is true. Guys like Margarito and Pavlik...they are..well...snails.

Logically, they can never have great speed. It just never happens like that.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:18 AM

It is true. Guys like Margarito and Pavlik...they are..well...snails.

Logically, they can never have great speed. It just never happens like that. Why? What part of their make up stops them from delivering punches quickly?

TFFP

01-26-2009, 11:20 AM

I'm not a scientist.

They just ain't quick. I've never seen anybody go from that p4p level of speed to having handspeed that would be the equivelent of Mosley. I'm sure you can make slight improvements with explosive drills...but its unrealistic to attain those kinds of results.

Can you think of any examples where this has happened?

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:25 AM

Can you think of any examples where this has happened?

Arturo Gatti, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Thompson:good

Less confidently Ricky Hatton...

TFFP

01-26-2009, 11:27 AM

Arturo Gatti, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Thompson:good

Less confidently Ricky Hatton...
Aside from Carl Thompson's whos overall career I'm not familiar with...

I hadn't noticed them get faster...personally. If they did it must have been pretty marginal.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 11:31 AM

Aside from Carl Thompson's whos overall career I'm not familiar with...

I hadn't noticed them get faster...personally. If they did it must have been pretty marginal. Compare Hopkins handspeed now, to his early fights.... Its almost like watching a different fighter.

Watch Gatti- Robinson, then watch Gatti-Ward or Gatti-Millett

Watch Hatton in any of his recent fights then watch his fight with mallinaggi.

Early Carl Thompson one shot swinger.... Thompson-Rochigianni 1, rapid combination punching.

Speed is entirely relating to the type of training a fighter goes through and what they feel comfortable with.

Darni187

01-26-2009, 12:20 PM

Ok thanks for clearing that up... Been fast is natural, unless you work on it in which case you'll eventually get faster unnaturally. :huh

Example: Talent meaning speed.

Natural talent fighter, age 20, speed 80
Normal fighter, age 20, speed 50

After 5 years when BOTH fighters have been trying to improve their hand speed training hard.

Natural talent fighter, age 25, speed 120*
Normal fighter (now faster) age 25, speed 80-90

You can always improve in any area if you try hard but some people have that natural advantage over other people.

onourway

01-26-2009, 03:15 PM

Why?

:patsch

It's like anything, working hard only takes you a certain part of the way.

If you just naturally have slow hands like Margarito, you're never going to train yourself to be as quick as somebody like Judah.

Just like some people have natural power that others will never have.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 04:37 PM

:patsch

It's like anything, working hard only takes you a certain part of the way.

If you just naturally have slow hands like Margarito, you're never going to train yourself to be as quick as somebody like Judah.

Just like some people have natural power that others will never have.Do Judah and Margarito box in the same style? Do they train the same way? Do they work to the same gameplan? Do me a favour.... Your speaking bollocks.
:good

TFFP

01-26-2009, 04:41 PM

I would be very shocked if Margarito took home Zab Judah's training schedule and next fight we saw him punching with the same speed as Judah. Every human has their own potential in each area. I'm sure you can tweak things slightly and improve, but that is impossible.

dan-b

01-26-2009, 05:08 PM

Yeeessss.... Mr B... How much do you hate Calzaghe?

:lol:

I'm fine thank you Mr T. How are you?

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:09 PM

But Darni said that fast hands is a God given talent? Thats pants.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:12 PM

:lol:

I'm fine thank you Mr T. How are you?Good mate... fancy starting a Calzaghe can't punch properly thread to start your comeback properly?

onourway

01-26-2009, 05:14 PM

Do Judah and Margarito box in the same style? Do they train the same way? Do they work to the same gameplan? Do me a favour.... Your speaking bollocks.
:good

No, but that's irrelevant as to why Judah is faster, it's just natural.

If I imitate Usain Bolt's training, will I become as fast as him? Will I fuck. You're talking bollocks.

dan-b

01-26-2009, 05:20 PM

Good mate... fancy starting a Calzaghe can't punch properly thread to start your comeback properly?

What and get into it with TFFP already?:hey

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:20 PM

No, but that's irrelevant as to why Judah is faster, it's just natural.

If I imitate Usain Bolt's training, will I become as fast as him? Will I fuck. You're talking bollocks. No son... you are... Boxings not fucking harry potter and magic fairy dust. Some fighters train for speed, some train for power, some fighters are pressure fighters, some are counter punchers... Same way some people speak bollocks, some don't.

onourway

01-26-2009, 05:23 PM

No son... you are... Boxings not fucking harry potter and magic fairy dust. Some fighters train for speed, some train for power, some fighters are pressure fighters, some are counter punchers... Same way some people speak bollocks, some don't.

No, you're talking bollocks.

If I copy Zinedine Zidane's training, will I be as good at football as him?

If I copy Usain Bolt, will I run as fast as him?

If I copy Federer's training, will I be as good at tennis?

The answer is no to all of them, which shows you chat shite.

izmat

01-26-2009, 05:24 PM

I think everyone has the ability to improve their handspeed by training
However ,if you're born with a high proportion of slow twitch fibres you will never be as fast as the Pacman

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:24 PM

What and get into it with TFFP already?:hey:lol: I'm having an argumentative day.... I started this argument at about 3 o'clock..... I've forgotten what its about.. they're probably right- but fuck it...:D

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:27 PM

No, you're talking bollocks.

If I copy Zinedine Zidane's training, will I be as good at football as him?

If I copy Usain Bolt, will I run as fast as him?

If I copy Federer's training, will I be as good at tennis?

The answer is no to all of them, which shows you chat shite. If you had trained and dedicated your whole life the way these guys had there is a good chance you would have been a pro too..... Unless you've got some sort of handicap.

onourway

01-26-2009, 05:28 PM

If you had trained and dedicated your whole life the way these guys had there is a good chance you would have been a pro too..... Unless you've got some sort of handicap.

No, I wouldn't.

Depends on natural talent.

You can only reach a certain level without the required talent.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:30 PM

No, I wouldn't.

Depends on natural talent.

You can only reach a certain level without the required talent. You know what fuck it..... You guys are right. Fuck you... I'm going to bed

:lol:

TFFP

01-26-2009, 05:30 PM

Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure you've got more talent than the others in the home.

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:32 PM

Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure you've got more talent than the others in the home. What home? :huh

TFFP

01-26-2009, 05:36 PM

What home? :huh
Havn't you been to visit onourgay?

How inconsiderate :verysad:-(

brown bomber

01-26-2009, 05:39 PM

Havn't you been to visit onourgay?

How inconsiderate :verysad:-(I have never really conversed with onourway!! Is he a good poster?

I hate this emicon :patsch... Thats was an unfotunate thing to do....