David Tua v.s George Foreman

[Bad_Intentions]

who takes it?

[brooklyn1550]

Foreman

[fists of fury]

I can't see this as anything other than a Foreman KO. Tua was insanely tough, but if I could pick one guy to crack that chin, it's George.

Tua's style is just perfect for George, who was a destroyer of short sluggers. Tua does not possess the explosiveness or hand speed to trouble George, and he'd plod straight into a Foreman 1-2 or uppercut all night long.

Of course Tua at some point tags Foreman, but that would just Galvanise Big George further.

Foreman KO4 Tua.

[combatesdeboxeo]

foreman probably by tko in 5 rounds

[dpw417]

foreman probably by tko in 5 rounds
I'll take this...if Tua continues to press after initially getting hurt. Might take longer if Tua backs off, but I like Foreman big in this match-up.

[Kalasinn]

Foreman via brutal KO/TKO early.

[DudeGuyMan]

Tua is basically a crappy Frazier. Mismatch.

[combatesdeboxeo]

Tua is basically a crappy Frazier. Mismatch.:lol::lol:

[DudeGuyMan]

It's the perfect two-word summary of Tua. If someone who had never seen him fight before asked what he was like, you'd go "crappy Frazier" and that would tell him everything he really needed to know. :D

I mean I know we like to use a lot of big words in Classic, but c'mon! He's just like Joe Frazier! Only kinda crappy!

[reznick]

How would Tua even survive till the third?

[DudeGuyMan]

If Tua were bitten by a radioactive Muhammad Ali and acquired superpowers, he might survive until like the fourth.

[pacpowerpellet]

no bob and weave could go the distance is style is made to destroy tua

[Duodenum]

Jesus, Tua would be getting shoved all over the place. Just getting close enough to even unload a punch would be a problem, and he'd hardly get any chance at all to put weight on his left foot. At least Frazier could sidestep and move a bit when he was aware of what to expect. Could Dave have any ability to improve even in a rematch situation?

[Foreman Hook]

no bob and weave could go the distance is style is made to destroy tua


when did Tua bob And weave you dumby??? More like Plod And nod.

Foreman KO3 Tua (cos Tua has Iron cheen]

[laxpdx]

Does Tua have insurance?

[highguard]

yeah foreman should win but not as easy as of you think,

first off a modern ref might not let foreman shove him around

2nd, tua is not a 200 pound frazier, he fought from 230 to 260
with legs like truck logs
so a young 220 pound might not be able to shove him

not every short slugger is the same, yes foreman is the favourite but not so easy

and lewis who was a monster puncher could not drop tua, why would foreman do it so easy

[Shake]

yeah foreman should win but not as easy as of you think,

first off a modern ref might not let foreman shove him around

2nd, tua is not a 200 pound frazier, he fought from 230 to 260
with legs like truck logs
so a young 220 pound might not be able to shove him

not every short slugger is the same, yes foreman is the favourite but not so easy

and lewis who was a monster puncher could not drop tua, why would foreman do it so easy

Foreman was freakishly strong, and could at least keep Tua off-balance for most of the match. But more pressingly Tua has no way to get out of Foreman's shots when coming in, and that's just not a good situation to be in.

I'd say the Tuaman lasts until the 5th.

[Duodenum]

yeah foreman should win but not as easy as of you think,

first off a modern ref might not let foreman shove him around

2nd, tua is not a 200 pound frazier, he fought from 230 to 260
with legs like truck logs
so a young 220 pound might not be able to shove him

not every short slugger is the same, yes foreman is the favourite but not so easy

and lewis who was a monster puncher could not drop tua, why would foreman do it so easyFirst of all, Foreman outweighed Frazier by three and a half pounds in Kingston, and was actually the lighter man by half a pound in their rematch. He might as well have outweighed Joe by 150 pounds the way Smoke got manually overpowered both times. Tua may have legs like truck logs, but Frazier originally took up boxing to lose weight, because his legs were getting too thick to fit in his pants. No, he didn't have impressive muscular definition, but this was a squat, powerful man, with a solid core.

Tommy Morrison was a 226 pound block of chiseled marble who has since admitted he was using steroids. George wasn't just shoving him back and around, he was doing it with ridiculous ease, applying just a quick and casual extension of his forearms. Everybody who ever took on Foreman said he was easily the most physically strong opponent they had ever faced. Lennox took Morrison out decisively, but didn't even come remotely close to manhandling The Duke with the casual disdain George did. Foreman looked like he was brushing away a housefly. Tua doesn't have the height and reach Tommy was able to use to adapt. 5'10" with a 70" reach? Are you kidding?

Jumbo Cummings was a bodybuilder in prison. Whatever one thinks of his draw with an aged and inactive Frazier, the fact is that Jumbo completely failed to use his size and physical strength to muscle Joe around. Smoke had excellent functional strength, along with the speed and skill to effectively deal with other strong heavyweights like Ringo, Chuvalo and Ali. Foreman was simply a freak of nature, on a completely different level where physical strength was concerned. He didn't take a backward step against a peak Holyfield. I don't care if Tua comes in at 300, he's dealing with a brick wall closing in on him when he runs into George.

Concerning his illegal tactics, Ali used illegal tactics of his own to hang on George's neck until he wore down enough to be knocked out. Referees never really managed to deter either from applying the extralegal methods they developed, despite the sometimes strenuous objections of their opponents. This is professional boxing. Good luck stopping it.

[mcvey]

who takes it?

Tua, points, he boxes at range and uses his reach ,and fast feet to out finesse George.

[KOTF]

Tua points, he boxes at range and uses his reach ,and fast feet to out finesse George.

Agreed, this would be the Young fight all over again IMO.

[DDDUUDDDEE]

Hahaha... David Tua... versus... George... ahahaha.... wait for it... Foreman...

Hahahaha

Is what the the Thread title should be.

[combatesdeboxeo]

yeah foreman should win but not as easy as of you think,

first off a modern ref might not let foreman shove him around

2nd, tua is not a 200 pound frazier, he fought from 230 to 260
with legs like truck logs
so a young 220 pound might not be able to shove him

not every short slugger is the same, yes foreman is the favourite but not so easy

and lewis who was a monster puncher could not drop tua, why would foreman do it so easy

1_ lewis was not amonster puncher, oliver mccall said that bert cooperand buster douglas were harder puncher than lewis.
2_ david tua in his early career weighed 200-220 pounds, he is pure mass now with overweight.
3_george foreman is by far harder puncher than lennox lewis
4_the style of foreman is not even similar to the style of lewis
5_joe frazier weighed 214 and 224 pounds when he faced foreman and he was better than tua in every aspect

[combatesdeboxeo]

Agreed, this would be the Young fight all over again IMO.

so you are comparing the style of a stylist like jimmy young with a short puncher like tua = you know shit about boxing

[combatesdeboxeo]

First of all, Foreman outweighed Frazier by three and a half pounds in Kingston, and was actually the lighter man by half a pound in their rematch. He might as well have outweighed Joe by 150 pounds the way Smoke got manually overpowered both times. Tua may have legs like truck logs, but Frazier originally took up boxing to lose weight, because his legs were getting too thick to fit in his pants. No, he didn't have impressive muscular definition, but this was a squat, powerful man, with a solid core.

Tommy Morrison was a 226 pound block of chiseled marble who has since admitted he was using steroids. George wasn't just shoving him back and around, he was doing it with ridiculous ease, applying just a quick and casual extension of his forearms. Everybody who ever took on Foreman said he was easily the most physically strong opponent they had ever faced. Lennox took Morrison out decisively, but didn't even come remotely close to manhandling The Duke with the casual disdain George did. Foreman looked like he was brushing away a housefly. Tua doesn't have the height and reach Tommy was able to use to adapt. 5'10" with a 70" reach? Are you kidding?

Jumbo Cummings was a bodybuilder in prison. Whatever one thinks of his draw with an aged and inactive Frazier, the fact is that Jumbo completely failed to use his size and physical strength to muscle Joe around. Smoke had excellent functional strength, along with the speed and skill to effectively deal with other strong heavyweights like Ringo, Chuvalo and Ali. Foreman was simply a freak of nature, on a completely different level where physical strength was concerned. He didn't take a backward step against a peak Holyfield. I don't care if Tua comes in at 300, he's dealing with a brick wall closing in on him when he runs into George.

Concerning his illegal tactics, Ali used illegal tactics of his own to hang on George's neck until he wore down enough to be knocked out. Referees never really managed to deter either from applying the extralegal methods they developed, despite the sometimes strenuous objections of their opponents. This is professional boxing. Good luck stopping it.
obviously you know the history of boxing

[AndrewFFC]

Tua definately.

[bartkiwi]

Mate, Im a kiwi and a fan of Tua but this would be a slaughter!! Tua would come at Foreman face 1st, Tua has some head movement but not enough, he has a world class chin but Foreman is more than a world class puncher.
Tysons speed would trouble George but Tua doesn't have that....it goes on
It would be a ambulance job no question unless Tua tasted a biggy (like Lewis) and decided to protect his chin legacy by staying away

[mcvey]

Mate, Im a kiwi and a fan of Tua but this would be a slaughter!! Tua would come at Foreman face 1st, Tua has some head movement but not enough, he has a world class chin but Foreman is more than a world class puncher.
Tysons speed would trouble George but Tua doesn't have that....it goes on
It would be a ambulance job no question unless Tua tasted a biggy (like Lewis) and decided to protect his chin legacy by staying away
An objective ,and imo ,accurate prediction.

[highguard]

First of all, Foreman outweighed Frazier by three and a half pounds in Kingston, and was actually the lighter man by half a pound in their rematch. He might as well have outweighed Joe by 150 pounds the way Smoke got manually overpowered both times. Tua may have legs like truck logs, but Frazier originally took up boxing to lose weight, because his legs were getting too thick to fit in his pants. No, he didn't have impressive muscular definition, but this was a squat, powerful man, with a solid core.

Tommy Morrison was a 226 pound block of chiseled marble who has since admitted he was using steroids. George wasn't just shoving him back and around, he was doing it with ridiculous ease, applying just a quick and casual extension of his forearms. Everybody who ever took on Foreman said he was easily the most physically strong opponent they had ever faced. Lennox took Morrison out decisively, but didn't even come remotely close to manhandling The Duke with the casual disdain George did. Foreman looked like he was brushing away a housefly. Tua doesn't have the height and reach Tommy was able to use to adapt. 5'10" with a 70" reach? Are you kidding?

Jumbo Cummings was a bodybuilder in prison. Whatever one thinks of his draw with an aged and inactive Frazier, the fact is that Jumbo completely failed to use his size and physical strength to muscle Joe around. Smoke had excellent functional strength, along with the speed and skill to effectively deal with other strong heavyweights like Ringo, Chuvalo and Ali. Foreman was simply a freak of nature, on a completely different level where physical strength was concerned. He didn't take a backward step against a peak Holyfield. I don't care if Tua comes in at 300, he's dealing with a brick wall closing in on him when he runs into George.

Concerning his illegal tactics, Ali used illegal tactics of his own to hang on George's neck until he wore down enough to be knocked out. Referees never really managed to deter either from applying the extralegal methods they developed, despite the sometimes strenuous objections of their opponents. This is professional boxing. Good luck stopping it.


very good post, i agree with you on most things

but i still have my doubts that it would easy to push around
the 255 pound tree stump tua that fought lewis,


and interesting enough i see that tua doing better against foreman then
a more primed 235 pound tua,

see tua is not 5'10 i know people that met he is slower to 5'8
this might not help him much in other respects but it does help not to get pushed around

low centre of gravity, its hard to move someone like that

remember frazier was like 5'11


yes frazier was better then tua, and was also short and stocky and strong but he is different fighter


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[Duodenum]

very good post, i agree with you on most things

but i still have my doubts that it would easy to push around
the 255 pound tree stump tua that fought lewis,


and interesting enough i see that tua doing better against foreman then
a more primed 235 pound tua,

see tua is not 5'10 i know people that met he is slower to 5'8
this might not help him much in other respects but it does help not to get pushed around

low centre of gravity, its hard to move someone like that

remember frazier was like 5'11


yes frazier was better then tua, and was also short and stocky and strong but he is different fighter


[Only registered and activated users can see links] were times when a 232 pound Foreman did shove back a 222 pound Qawi with ease. At times, Dwight did stand up to him surprisingly well, and even sneaked away a few early rounds with veteran caginess and trickery. Still, this was a conclusive win for George, against a defensively skilled and strong opponent with the lowest center of gravity possessed by any quality heavyweight in recent memory. (5'5-1/2" makes Qawi a comparable visual to Burns and Langford, height wise. Sam would have weighed around 200 at the time of that filmed 20 round win over Jeanette in Paris we've all been studying recently.)

In any event, Foreman-Qawi could be a useful review when considering how George addressed an opponent with an extremely low center of gravity. The man who stood his ground best against Foreman in his long career was Chuvalo, prior to the Canadian's bell getting rung. Chuvalo could have been a record setting power lifter though, if lifting weights had been his preference. (Chuvalo and Bruno Sammartino could easily have switched places. Bruno did spar several rounds with Liston, and appears to have had some talent for boxing, but weight training was his preference, and he wasn't willing to give it up.)

[TommyV]

Foreman whenever he wants. In a round if he fancies it.

Seriously, I'm getting tired of these Tua vs ATG heavy match-ups. He doesn't beat any of them.

A good chin and a heavy left hook doesn't beat greats. This guy got outboxed by Hasim Rahman and Chris Byrd for fuck sake.

[DDDUUDDDEE]

Foreman whenever he wants. In a round if he fancies it.

Seriously, I'm getting tired of these Tua vs ATG heavy match-ups. He doesn't beat any of them.

A good chin and a heavy left hook doesn't beat greats. This guy got outboxed by Hasim Rahman and Chris Byrd for fuck sake.

But... but Ruiz, dude.

RUIZ

[Blood Green]

I'm skeptical of the claims that Foreman could stop him at will. Ibeabuchi and Lennox didn't even come close.

[red cobra]

Foreman would tko Tua in 4.

[Azzer85]

Foreman-Frazier all over again

[TommyV]

I'm skeptical of the claims that Foreman could stop him at will. Ibeabuchi and Lennox didn't even come close.

And? Ibeabuchi isn't even on the level below Foreman. Lewis is a hard puncher but still on a bigger puncher than Foreman, and he boxed primarily in a cautious manner off the back foot.

Foreman would slaughter him. Look at the Frazier fight? You think it would be any different? Tua is no bigger or strong than Frazier and has no extra tools to keep Foreman off him.

He's also more hittable than Frazier, so he'd be incurring the same punishment if not far more. You think Tua could stand up to all those bombs that Frazier took for 12 rounds? No chance. He gets destroyed in a few minutes.

[p.Townend]

Foreman.Tua is a hard man and probably would have to be stopped on his feet.I just dont see a way for him to win this fight at all.

[Muchmoore]

Foreman-Frazier all over again

Naw, Tua would be a lot more tentative after tasting the power and wouldn't keep walking in taking bombs like Frazier did.

Foreman pummells him. The only thing going for The Tuaman here is his tremendous late round power, he'd have to hope to pull a Lamon Brewster here.

[Muchmoore]

And? Ibeabuchi isn't even on the level below Foreman. Lewis is a hard puncher but still on a bigger puncher than Foreman, and he boxed primarily in a cautious manner off the back foot.

Foreman would slaughter him. Look at the Frazier fight? You think it would be any different? Tua is no bigger or strong than Frazier and has no extra tools to keep Foreman off him.

He's also more hittable than Frazier, so he'd be incurring the same punishment if not far more. You think Tua could stand up to all those bombs that Frazier took for 12 rounds? No chance. He gets destroyed in a few minutes.

I pick Foreman here too but Tua is quite a lot bigger and stronger than Frazier, no denying that.
I also would disagree with the more hittable part with regards to this matchup. With Frazier's style he was open for monstrous uppercuts, Tua had a vastly different style and was more open for jabs and straight punches than uppercuts.

[Blood Green]

And? Ibeabuchi isn't even on the level below Foreman. Lewis is a hard puncher but still on a bigger puncher than Foreman, and he boxed primarily in a cautious manner off the back foot.

Foreman would slaughter him. Look at the Frazier fight? You think it would be any different? Tua is no bigger or strong than Frazier and has no extra tools to keep Foreman off him.

He's also more hittable than Frazier, so he'd be incurring the same punishment if not far more. You think Tua could stand up to all those bombs that Frazier took for 12 rounds? No chance. He gets destroyed in a few minutes.
I disagree on some of this. I think Tua was much stronger than Frazier and could pack more power into one punch than Frazier could. Defensively, he tends to be underrated. He also had a better chin. We're talking about someone who was never dropped or even took a backwards step (until his last fight, at the very end of it). I'm not picking Tua to win, but he's not just a worse version of Frazier. I could see Foreman having to box and/or gassing out late and getting knocked around the ring.

[Muchmoore]

Tua is much closer stylewise to Marciano than Frazier or Tyson who he more often gets compared to for some reason.

[Kalasinn]

Naw, Tua would be a lot more tentative after tasting the power and wouldn't keep walking in taking bombs like Frazier did.

Foreman pummells him. The only thing going for The Tuaman here is his tremendous late round power, he'd have to hope to pull a Lamon Brewster here.

It would take more than a single big punch to stop Foreman.

Besides, Tua would be steamrolled early, no doubt.

[Beeston Brawler]

I wouldn't say Tua has a better chin than Frazier.

The only elite level puncher he faced was Lewis, who boxed cautiously but should still have won by stoppage.

Foreman isn't going to fight Tua the way Lennox did, that's for sure.

Tua gets banged out early for me, definitely inside three.

[Bummy Davis]

In a battle of punchers no one can be sure, Foreman was dropped by Lyle, Tua can do it. I would lean towards Big George who has gotten off the floor to win but Foreman did avoid the punchers and the awkward brawlers of his day. The only thing that makes me doubt Tua, is that in retrospect when Lennox checked him with a power punch and let him feel the power it kept him at bay the rest of the night, a silent agreement of sorts not to step out.