Did Margarito ruin Cotto's career through cheating?

[TFFP]

Let's think about this.

Is Margarito's punch technique even good enough to suggest he was this puncher he previously seemed?

Why would Margarito suddenly decide to use illegal handwraps against Shane Mosley, a fight where Shane was a 3/1 dog? After he supposedly beat Cotto, who was a big favorite, and was considered the tougher fight beforehand...without illegal handwraps. This shit does not add up.

I think Margarito has potentially ruined, or at least put a big downer on the career of a potentially great fighter like Miguel Cotto. If Cotto comes through this, people will look back in history at this as being a courageous warrior who outclassed his opponent, but was then subsuquently overwhelmed by a volume of illegal punches until he could take no more.

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[Beeston Brawler]

I will reserve judgement for now.

Personally I have always felt Cotto was overrated, but if Margo did indeed cheat, it is obviously not acceptable and he should receive a lifetime ban..... even a prison sentence.

[BamBam]

If he did it. And, I'll keep it at an 'if' for now despite how bad things look. Then yes he probably did. Smashing someone to bits with illegal handwraps is hugely detremental, mentally as much as physically.

It does go to show that Cotto is a tough fucker if he stood there and took it for 11 rounds with someone bouncing plaster off his head. However, he will do well to get back anywhere near the level he was.

To keep it really basic. That kind of shit has to make you shy about getting hit even on a subconscious level. This would make you shy about going forward. That changes your whole style of fighting etc... etc... etc... His punch resistance might never be the same too

[TFFP]

There is no way to realistically prove Margarito did infact cheat in this fight. All we have is the current evidence which is fairly incriminating.

Why would Marg start to cheat and risk it against Mosley and not Cotto, when he was already top of the hill without illegal wraps (supposedly...)?

How did he rip Lujan's ear near off?

How did Cintron crumple so tamely?

[Beeston Brawler]

In reference to Cintron....

Margarito was not only by far the best fighter he has faced, but the one most capable of taking his shots and being able to fire off his own.

The others obviously need to be looked at further, but something like this would be damn impossible to prove - other than checking wraps post fight.

[girv]

If all the shit Ive read about last night is true and it is proven that Margarito attempted to cheat then he should be banned from the sport.

We will never know what happened in his other fights but if last night story is true then it will cast doubt over his previous wins.

[TFFP]

There is nothing limited about FINDING plaster in a man's gloves.

It brings into question everything he has previously done. Especially when he's already at the top. Now why would he suddenly take the risk when he'd already done so well without the wraps?!?!

My ass.

[BamBam]

I don't think that is the case. I'd be as much a fan of Margo as I would of Cotto or any of the boys around that division. I don't really have favourites I've just enjoyed some of the quality fights over the years. But intial reports coming out of the states look pretty damning and its a horrible thing to think that 1) someone would do something so fucking dangerous and 2) so many fights would then have a big ? hanging over them if its true.

We'll have to wait and see. I think there is reasonable call for mandatory inspection of handwraps in the ring after fights. I mean the people from the commission are already there. It wouldn't take that long. Wraps would be much easier to inspect coming off that going on. All hand wraps to be removed by board/state/commision sanctioned officials after ever fight? Sounds like a plan to me because its easy to implement

[BamBam]

They didn't find plaster in his glove. They found wet gauze. The gauze was powdered at the time and the implication is that when the gauze dries it turns to plaster. That was the last I heard anyway. It looks like the worst is probably true though

[TFFP]

Come on, let's not skirt around the issue. We know full well what it is and what it does.

That only adds more fuel to the fire. By the time it started to set...he got on top of Cotto! :lol:

[ishy]

If true, this puts a massive cloud over Margarito's career.

Apparently the plaster like substance on his gloves was meant to go harder as the fight wore on. I may be reading to much into all this but this may explain how he fucked up Cotto as the fight wore on. The first half of the fight Cotto was alright and IIRC had nothing more than a nose bleed after 6 rounds, then by round 11 his face was a bloody mess.

I agree with TFFP here, if his meant to load his gloves last night, in a fight in which he was the overwhelming favourite, then surely he must have done the same against Cotto-the biggest fight of his life to ensure he won.

On the other hand, I may just be looking to much into all this.

We'll find out more once the California boxing commission inspect the substance found on his gloves.

[Beeston Brawler]

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Margarito's career.

It would be difficult to draw a point where his competition level increased sharply together with an increase in late stoppages.....

So if true, it is likely to be a recent innovation (if you can call it that). If it is indeed the case, a lifetime ban for fighter and trainer, perhaps with a prison sentence.

Trainers of his previous opposition need to look in the mirror themselves too.

[TFFP]

Joshua Clottey is a very strong well built welterweight. He went into his shell as the rounds progressed.

[BamBam]

Mosley is a seperate issue to this but, yeah, he should be banned. He admitted to cheating but gave some pathetic 6 year olds excuse of 'I didn't know it was a banned substance' to the grand jury.

Unfortunately Miguel is right to some degree. Boxing has never clamped down on cheats the way it should. Whether it be corner men, cutmen, boxers, promoters or whoever.

[dan-b]

Well first of all I want to applaud Nazim Richardson for being so attentive and looking out for his fighter. If he hadn't spotted this the truth may never have come out. It does make you wonder why no other cornermen ever noticed being placed on the wraps.

I tend to agree with TFFP's points but, as he said, it's going to be almost impossible to prove. That said, there is irrefutable evidence that he was prepared to use illegal wraps against one man so that alone should amount to a lengthy ban and fine.

If this has had a long term, negative effect on Cotto then it's a terrible shame for boxing. I guess we'll have to wait and see on that count but, regardless of that, it's certainly a black cloud over Margarito that will take sometime to pass.

[Beeston Brawler]

Throw in a prison sentence

[ishy]

Want to hear some really unexpected boxing news? Tyson and Holy may fight for a 3rd time in Abu Dhabi this year :patsch. Hopefully it's just rumours and nothing more.

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[El Cepillo]

Forgive me, I haven't seen the fight, and I'm not sure of a few things:

What is Margo accused of doing?

What is the evidence?

What is the effect of this supposed cheating?

[D_XZ]

I thought Cotto just got his strategy wrong. He clearly showed the ability to outbox Margo but was trying too hard to hurt him and allowed himself to tkae punishment he didn't need to. Cotto could have done something similar to Mosely as he also had speed and skill advantages over Margo but it just isn't his style to fight like that.

[teessider]

1. puttin dry plater paris and gauze in his gloves so sets when his hands sweat

2. naseem richardson was there when they were wrapping his hands and questioned it commision made him re-wrap

3. plaste sets when he sweats and is punching with a 'pot' on his fist

i noticed his hands were unwrapped in post fight interview and remember in cotto fight he left them wrapped, i know that sounds bullshit but sometimes you notice little things i think cotto had his hands fully unrapped and mago hadnt. surely if you take the gloves off the wraps just neeed to be cut too, 10 second job?

[teessider]

I thought Cotto just got his strategy wrong. He clearly showed the ability to outbox Margo but was trying too hard to hurt him and allowed himself to tkae punishment he didn't need to. Cotto could have done something similar to Mosely as he also had speed and skill advantages over Margo but it just isn't his style to fight like that.

i personally think richardson deseves alot of credit i think he had the plan mosely pulled it off, like margo said he kept closing the gap when in close so he couldnt get his punches going, opposite to cotto who ran when in trouble this with a broken nose caused him to gas and get caught up by margo

[widdy]

cottto got beat off the better man,as did margo last night,i just think cottos not all he has been hyped up to be,
i think jennings will give him a good fight

[Pug1list]

No proof, stop slandering the guy.

[JonOli]

If he is found guilty I can't see it being the case that he chose to use them for the first time against a faded 37 yr old fighter he was red hot favourite to beat. Of cause it's impossible to prove otherwise now unless the man who wrapped his hands eventually comes clean (if true).

I wonder if there are any other boxers out there who have been using this "trick", and we may see a sudden decline in performance? It's unlikely but who knows...

[GPater11093]

i dont beleive it

marg seems to be a decnt guy and pays his due why would he risk it by cheating. This was said about tito too and was utter BS.

the only thing that this would explain is why marg was a bit gun shy because he felt bad about hitting mosley with illegal wraps

[JonOli]

i dont beleive it

marg seems to be a decnt guy and pays his due why would he risk it by cheating. This was said about tito too and was utter BS.

the only thing that this would explain is why marg was a bit gun shy because he felt bad about hitting mosley with illegal wraps


It was found by officials before the fight. It's nothing like the Tito situation...

[JonOli]

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[GPater11093]

what was found and did marg go into the fight with it still on his wraps

[JonOli]

what was found and did marg go into the fight with it still on his wraps


No he didn't go into the SugarShane fight with them - some sort of Plaster of Paris gauze cast - two of them - they were sent off for inspection as far as I can gather.

[JonOli]

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[GPater11093]

and is there any proof

[FLINT ISLAND]

i dont beleive it

marg seems to be a decnt guy and pays his due why would he risk it by cheating. This was said about tito too and was utter BS.

the only thing that this would explain is why marg was a bit gun shy because he felt bad about hitting mosley with illegal wraps


I disagree.

While he seems well mannered enough there is defently something about him that makes me not trust him.

Kind of a rogue Mexican.

that big grin he does...........its like he knows something you dont

he is no angel

Pull a few naughty tricks and smash Cotto' head in with a bit of cheating..........no problem

I feel he is capable of this and is probaly guilty of cheating

[GPater11093]

you really think so i think he seems to be a throw back the type of fighter full of sportsmanship but will gie you hell in the ring

whos that in your avvy flint

[robpalmer135]

cotto was ahead on two judges cards when the fight was stopped. Margoitos how style is break down opponents. if hes got extra power in his punches, how many of the guys hes stopped late or forced to slow down and loose rounds late would of been able to outlast the punishment.

[JonOli]

and is there any proof


Yes, I think it has been sent off for analysis according to reports.

[FLINT ISLAND]

you really think so i think he seems to be a throw back the type of fighter full of sportsmanship but will gie you hell in the ring

whos that in your avvy flint

yeah he is a throw back fighter........thats the thing..........throwback fighters are brutal and bend rules because they are brutal

they dont care

they dont lose sleep at night about the faxt they cheated a bit to smash someone in

its their brutal way of life

Colin Jones admitted to cheating as a amateur.............when they were dishing out the gloves for all the boxers at a amateur show when no-one was looking he grabbed a light pair.........just mere training mitts..........and he went out there and pole axed the other guy with one punch

"A bit naughty but itdone the job mind"............said Colin

he did have any worries about doing it

he was in a brutal sport and wanted every advantage he could to destroy his opponnet

he said he

"loved hurting people it has been bred into me since I was 9 years old"

at the boxing shed behind my back garden

he also had a Swansea V cardiff grudge fight with Billy Waith early on in his pro career

he fucked up waith with illegal kidney punches and said he was pleased to leave Waith

"squealing on the floor like a pig"

he was brutal , he didnt care about bending rules to smash someone in

now I'm not saying that is anything to be proud of

but the point is people like this think brutally and Margrito is this kind of guy too

a throwback raw brutal fighter who is prepared to bend the rules


You wouldnt know the girl in my avatar..........she is a friend of mine

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think TFFP has made the middle choice in his poll of sitting on the fence espcially for Jeff Thomas

"Khan will either lose to or beat a past his best Barrera" :lol::lol::lol:

[Chinny]

i dont beleive it

marg seems to be a decnt guy

Yeah but Mosley seems like a decent guy. So does Evan Fields. Don't mean you don't cheat.

[GPater11093]

Yeah but Mosley seems like a decent guy. So does Evan Fields. Don't mean you don't cheat.


suppose you make a good point

but i cant beleive marg doing that

[Beeston Brawler]

cotto was ahead on two judges cards when the fight was stopped. Margoitos how style is break down opponents. if hes got extra power in his punches, how many of the guys hes stopped late or forced to slow down and loose rounds late would of been able to outlast the punishment.

:shock: Don't think he was.

[brown_bomber]

if he did cheat aginst cotto then yeh, he did ruin cotto's career for sure

[FLINT ISLAND]

no wonder Cotto quit

can you imagine having hard plaster smashing into you round after round

its all very well to call him a quitter

and use cheap cliches like "death before the dishonur of quitting"

but thats easy to say

every human being has their breaking points and usually that i before they die they would quit rather than die

Cotto reached his breaking point against Margarito

And I dont blame him............theres no shame in that...........I feel bad for him

If he had a hard plaster smashing into him round after round he is lucky he didnt have his skull cracked open

[icemax]

Sitting on the fence. It seems like a lot of people are happy to jump to conclusions, based on limited information, just because they are Cotto fan boys.

I'm a huge Cotto fan, and to be honest I don't have a problem with the defeat.

IMO last night the two "cheats" should have been left to each other, it would be quite interesting to see how loaded gloves do against a junked up fighter. Mosley is, and always will be a disgrace in my eyes, Margo on the other hand has to be proved guilty beyond rumour mongering before we can slait him

[Grievesy]

I've gotta say that the damage to Cotto's face did not look normal, to me anyway. Even after a twelve round fight. But I'll reserve judement until it's proven.

Wait, is it definately proven without doubt? Have the results from the Commission come back yet?

[icemax]

What substance was actually supposed to have been found in Margos wraps, everyone keeps saying plaster but that is patently ridiculous.

[SouthpawSlayer]

sitting on the fence, hopefully margo is investigated and the wraps if its true he should be banned for life

i dont like saying it but it looks as though the writing is on the wall

[brown bomber]

Great point TFFP.... i'd go for this been true, why would they just use this trick on Mosley... If this is the case Margarito should be embarassed as the only thing he's ever had going for him is his rock fists... now we know why..

[icemax]

While he seems well mannered enough there is defently something about him that makes me not trust him.


Obviously he lives on one of those Manchester council estates that you have talked about in the past :good BTW, does the girl in your av live in the shed at the bottom of your garden, if so can I come visit?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Obviously he lives on one of those Manchester council estates that you have talked about in the past :good BTW, does the girl in your av live in the shed at the bottom of your garden, if so can I come visit?

No she lives with me ;)

[icemax]

No she lives with me ;)

You lie like cheap watch :yep

If true, naked pics or STFU :hey

[FLINT ISLAND]

You lie like cheap watch :yep

If true, naked pics or STFU :hey

No she is just a causal friend of mine. :good

[icemax]

No she is just a causal friend of mine. :good

Casual as in sex on tap, or casual as in you want to shag her but she doesn't want to shag you type "friends" :hey

[FLINT ISLAND]

Casual as in sex on tap, or casual as in you want to shag her but she doesn't want to shag you type "friends" :hey

No she got a boyfriend..........

As for would she shag me if she was single.......you'd have to ask her that

end of subject now

this is a boxing thread not the lounge :lol:

[Guy]

IF these serious allegations are proven then Margarito/Trainer should be banned from boxing proffesionaly for life.For Cotto it would deliver redemption for the loss as that fight was even bigger than Shanes fight and the same method would more than likely have been used.A terrible incident for boxing if it's proven correct, it casts shadows all around.
Cotto's career finished nope,he beat Shane, and 'he' knocked out Margarito the allegations will have him wondering was I beaten fairly?

[stegsie]

Can't see this being true to be honest.

Will reserve judgment for now ......

[PaddyD1983]

I'm sitting on the fence for now.

BUT... regardless of this. I firmly believe Cotto can beat Mosely. If he does then all is pretty much rectified. I'd love to see a rematch between the two as I think Cotto had the correct game plan until he gassed out. Also, illegal wraps or not, Cotto took too many punches early on. If he can cancel this out then he would win a rematch.

Whether this was an issue or not, had Cotto defended better he would not have been beaten. Maybe he would have won anyway had the wraps been legal, but even so I think this defeat could be the making of him. If he can retain his power and accuracy and couple that with a solid defence then we would have a true monster on our hands.

[SteelTownCobra]

If Margo has been using illegal wraps and this can be proven, in the Mosley fight and/or the Cotto fight, then he is a filthy swinedog of the lowest order, and should be banned and prosecuted for what he did to Cotto's face.

If this turns out to be a load of old nonsense, then he is a teak-tough Mexican warrior of the highest order, and should be admired and revered for what he did to Cotto's face.

[mbrockett]

No she is just a causal friend of mine. :good

WAS a friend - till she found you posting her picture on the internet in a boxing forum [odd]. are you doing this to make enzo jealous? :huh

[PaddyD1983]

If Margo has been using illegal wraps and this can be proven, in the Mosley fight and/or the Cotto fight, then he is a filthy swinedog of the lowest order, and should be banned and prosecuted for what he did to Cotto's face.

If this turns out to be a load of old nonsense, then he is a teak-tough Mexican warrior of the highest order, and should be admired and revered for what he did to Cotto's face.

To be fair, Marg probably had no idea whether it was legal or not. It's his camp that should be disciplined.

[TFFP]

He had no idea that having plaster in your gloves might be seen as illegal and a slight advantage? :roll:

What about a knuckleduster...

Come on.

[PaddyD1983]

He had no idea that having plaster in your gloves might be seen as illegal and a slight advantage? :roll:

What about a knuckleduster...

Come on.

Seriously, I'm not defending the guy. It's abhorrent to use anything outside of the scope of the rules. And may be the buck stops with the fighter so he should be held accountable.

But do you honestly think that Marg picks what goes around his fists? If his corner tell him its fine then he's going to take their word for it isnt he?

Maybe some of the pro's that post may be able to give a better in sight but I would presume that if a corner starts taping up someone's fists or using whatever substances then the fighter will simply assume his corner knows what they are doing rather than say 'hang on a minute, what's this stuff?'

[mughalmirza786]

It did occur to me at the time why did cotto's face look like it had been worked over with a bat at the end of the fight. The cuts and bruising were amazing coming from a guy like margarito who isnt a puncher. Also it might explain the sudden shift in the momentum of the fight, precisely when cotto began to get cut up.

One things for sure, if margarito did use illegal hand wraps in the cotto fight, cotto has one hell of a chin to stand up to that punishment for as long as he did.

[TFFP]

I personally think its slightly illogical to assume this is the first time Margarito has ever done that in the gym or a fight. I mean why would his team suddenly put that shit in his wraps AFTER he beat Cotto and got to this stage. I mean if he got so far the legal way WHY change and risk everything?

Margarito has done this before IMO. And he would have known when he took off his Reyes gloves and rubble tumbled to the floor.

[SteelTownCobra]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Sounds like some people would rather just burn him at the stake and get it all over and done with.

[PaddyD1983]

I personally think its slightly illogical to assume this is the first time Margarito has ever done that in the gym or a fight. I mean why would his team suddenly put that shit in his wraps AFTER he beat Cotto and got to this stage. I mean if he got so far the legal way WHY change and risk everything?

Margarito has done this before IMO. And he would have known when he took off his Reyes gloves and rubble tumbled to the floor.

I agree with this though.

If they were indeed illegal wraps then I would presume it's not the first time the wraps have been used.

Massively intrigued though as to what the pro's around here think. Would this be Marg's fault or his corner's fault? Or shared responsibility?

[Grant1]

No she got a boyfriend..........

As for would she shag me if she was single.......you'd have to ask her that

end of subject now

this is a boxing thread not the lounge :lol:

Flint, tell her that her wallpaper is shit :good

[TFFP]

Getting beat by a man that has attempted to load his gloves, has shown that intent that means he probably has in the past means SHIT. That cloud will hang over Margarito now, and its his own fault.

It is not something one man should have to overcome, its not a matter of analyzing where and how the fight was lost. It just should not be an issue.

Infact, it is plain disgusting. Plaster in an 8-10oz glove is absolutely dangerous.

I would have a good mind to reverse everybodys record that lost to Margarito now this has been found to be the case by the commission.

[Guy]

That would be opening a can of worms though, no proof from previous bouts and how about an Augumented Shane Mosley dosed up on Roids beating Dela Hoya does that one get scratched off? and how long after taking them do the effects stay on the body, how many more get scratched off?
I think you can only judge on conclusive eveidance before erasing loses.....

[ishy]

Just remembered, Arum petitioned the Nevada Commission to allow them to use 8oz gloves for the Cotto fight.

[TFFP]

Loading gloves to me is different to even roiding. It's like comparing stealing a car to murder.

We all know a boxer takes on a certain risk when he enters the ring, but having to face up to loaded gloves is something else. That can do serious serious damage, it is pitiful for a pro boxer to do this. Bringing illegal material into the ring to hit your opponent with? It's assault, nevermind a sporting advantage like roids.

The punishment for this has to be HEAVY to send a clear message out. I would at the least ban him from boxing outright and heavily fine him. I would consider whether to reverse losses to him as DQ's or perhaps a NC, but ultimately his record is so scarred perhaps I would not bother.

[Guy]

Both are ways of gaining an unfair advantage, 'If' Margarito is proven to have used plaster bandage then I think he should be banned from boxing for life yes.
Now Shane has admitted to Steroid use does he get banned like an athlete for a year?
Thats seems only fair.....as I say if we start writing of losses without proof where is the line drawn.

[TFFP]

Anybody found roiding should be banned for a year at least. That case is well documented, but this is about Margarito.

And as I said, I consider loading gloves as a far greater crime and as such it should carry heavier penalties. There ain't much between loading your gloves and bringing a sledgehammer into the ring.

[dan-b]

Shane has admitted to Steroid use

Sorry to be a pedant but no he hasn't. He admitted to injecting EPO prior to the second Oscar fight.

[Guy]

Oh isn't EPO a steroid then?

[dan-b]

Oh isn't EPO a steroid then?

Nope, it's a naturally occuring substance produced by the kidney.

[Guy]

Is it banned and if it naturally occurs within the body why's Shane injecting it?
I'm not arguing I geniuinely don't know and I like Mosley

[dan-b]

Is it banned and if it naturally occurs within the body why's Shane injecting it?
I'm not arguing I geniuinely don't know and I like Mosley

It's to do with red cell production. Have a little read on wikipedia, it's quite interesting.

[mughalmirza786]

Margarito is a puncher, with or without loaded gloves - even Mosley said after the fight that Margo punches very hard. You can say he has bad technique, but I would advise people to look at the perfect body shot that he stopped Cintron with in the second fight, or the uppercuts he caught Cotto with; great punches. Cotto does not have a good chin, period. The reason Cotto got busted up was because he got hit in the face flush several times by a big puncher - it's nothing out of the ordinary at all.

Amir Khan had a busted up face after the Limond fight, and that was just from taking a few flush punches off a real non-puncher, all in a single round - this is just what happens, it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with having plaster in the gloves.

There was no sudden shift in the fight either - people who scored the fight fairly would have given Margarito something in the first 6 rounds, and they were pretty much all close rounds (not at all comparable to what happened against Mosley).

People suggesting that Margarito only beat Cotto by cheating should watch the fight again with an unbiased view. They would see Margarito using chin, stamina and skill (in preventing Cotto from working to the body, in inside fighting, in closing him down etc.) to beat Cotto. The idea that Margarito cheated at all against Cotto is far from given, and to me at least it doesn't look like loaded gloves were the essential element in the beating that he handed out.

Sure, we don't like cheats, but I've decided now that people trying to rewrite history and pretend Cotto didn't get KTFO by the better man on the night are spouting BS. If the guy is really great then he can come back, but a loss is a loss.

Obviously we will never know whether margarito used illegal hand wraps in the cotto fight. Cotto was hit harder and more often by torres and did not receive cuts. As for the cintron fight, agreed that was a beautiful shot that put him down but it was after margarito consistently worked him over.

Cmon now how can you compare amir khan who is fragile to someone who is proven on a world level like cotto.

[Guy]

It's to do with red cell production. Have a little read on wikipedia, it's quite interesting.

Yes it was interesting especially this

Tests in Australia have shown that improvements in an athlete's performance over four weeks would match those expected over several years.

Thats some serious enhancement !!

[GazOC]

I think Margo had the style to beat Cotto no matter what wraps he used, Cottos a good fighter but not the great one that some people claim and he's never liked fightiing under pressure. In any case to say his career has been wrecked by Margo before he's even fought again after that fight is a massive stretch, we don't how much that fight has taken out of Cotto OR how much it still would have taken out of him even without the dodgy wraps.

Thats not to say Margo shouldn't be investigated and punished for breaching the rules, I just think he's have given Cotto a steady, sustained beating that night no matter what was under his gloves.

[FLINT ISLAND]

I think Margo had the style to beat Cotto no matter what wraps he used, Cottos a good fighter but not the great one that some people claim and he's never liked fightiing under pressure. In any case to say his career has been wrecked by Margo before he's even fought again after that fight is a massive stretch, we don't how much that fight has taken out of Cotto OR how much it still would have taken out of him even without the dodgy wraps.

Thats not to say Margo shouldn't be investigated and punished for breaching the rules, I just think he's have given Cotto a steady, sustained beating that night no matter what was under his gloves.

maybe so Gaz

but be fair having some cement wrapped on your hands is gonna make a bit of difference :lol::lol::lol:

[GazOC]

That was my first post in the thread and I was just answering the original question....;O)

[trotter]

I think Margo had the style to beat Cotto no matter what wraps he used, Cottos a good fighter but not the great one that some people claim and he's never liked fightiing under pressure. In any case to say his career has been wrecked by Margo before he's even fought again after that fight is a massive stretch, we don't how much that fight has taken out of Cotto OR how much it still would have taken out of him even without the dodgy wraps.

Thats not to say Margo shouldn't be investigated and punished for breaching the rules, I just think he's have given Cotto a steady, sustained beating that night no matter what was under his gloves.

I agree.

He didn't have plaster on his chin and Cotto could not discourage him no matter what he landed.

I find it hard to believe that Margarito could get away with this fight after fight; I'm personally more inclined to think something was up with Margarito before this fight and he got desperate. His punch resistance wasn't there, he weighed in under, the whole thing seems fishy to me.

Mosley himself said he thinks Margarito was trying to protect his hands if anything, but maybe Shane is just being a sport.

All in all I'm waiting to see what comes of this before passing judgement.

Be a really sad day if it transpires he was out and out cheating like this. Totally not on.

[GazOC]

Check out this clip of the end of the Cotto-Margarito fight. At 8 minutes into the clip Margo is walking around the ring with his gloves off, with his wraps in full view, a matter of minutes after the knockout. They are either not doctored or he is unaware of the doctoring (or he's very stupid).

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[Beeston Brawler]

I think his punch resistance may have declined..... hardly surprising considering his last two fights where he basically fought with his chin and broke the opponent, both of whom had stopped guys with a lot less.

That said, if Cotto had taken the shots that Margo did against Shane, he would still be in hospital.

I will reserve judgement for now. Unless the wraps were off white in colour, plaster of paris would be so easy to spot they wouldn't bother trying.

[GazOC]

Fuck me!! margo is getting tarred and feathered over on the GF. He hasn't even been found guilty of tampering of one set of wraps and theres talk of Clottey having broken his hand on Margos guard!!!!

[TFFP]

But come on. Marg looks like the type with his big head and annoying grin.

[GazOC]

But come on. Marg looks like the type with his big head and annoying grin.

A shifty looking fucker eh? Thats good enough for me...:good

[girv]

His haircut almost guarantees that he is a cheat.

[Guy]

He smells like a cheat....