Why is JC in top 10 on ppls p4p List?

[Kamil]

Explain?

[Sai]

As in Calzaghe? I think its because hes one of the 10 best boxers in the world irrespective of weight class.

[dave82]

I sense China Joe to be here momentarily

[China_hand_Joe]

Explain?Because Joe Calzaghe is simply too good to be denied his status even with all the anti-european American boxing media propaganda about. He would be undisputibly top 2 were he American.

[PH|LLA]

too stupid a question to answer

[Kamil]

i honestly think Calzaghe hasnt proven enough to be rank so high, maybe top 20 but not top 10 :smoke

[Kamil]

too stupid a question to answer

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[China_hand_Joe]

The only argument to take Calzaghe out of the top 10 is his age.

[GazOC]

i honestly think Calzaghe hasnt proven enough to be rank so high, maybe top 20 but not top 10 :smoke
Lets hear your Top 20 then...based on 'proven' acomplishments...

[sues2nd]

Because Joe Calzaghe is simply too good to be denied his status even with all the anti-european American boxing media propaganda about. He would be undisputibly top 2 were he American.

OH GOD....BLAH BLAH BLAH America sucks BLAH BLAH BLAH (another anti american rant from a european....contradiction at its finest)!!!

Listen, I have Calzaghe at 3....because he belongs at 3....no higher. He has had a great run vs subpar competition. He has dominated most of the people he has fought (tho again, the level of that comp was far lower than it ever should have been). He is greatly skilled and is a fun fighter to watch.

He should definately be top10 in everyones list....no doubt about that.

[hopkinsfan07]

he has been on top of the s.middle's for ever

i have him at 6up to 3 if he beats kess

[China_hand_Joe]

OH GOD....BLAH BLAH BLAH America sucks BLAH BLAH BLAH (another anti american rant from a european....contradiction at its finest)!!!


If we count the number of Europeans listed in lists of the top 100 ATGs it is quite clear an extreme level of bias exists.

Calzaghe - realistically he'll probably drop out of the top 3 in the next twelve months, due to age. Although from 2000 to 2006 he was arguably number one, possibly 2nd behind Roy Jones for a while.

[Kamil]

Lets hear your Top 20 then...based on 'proven' acomplishments...

iight heres my list:

1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Manny Pacquiao
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Wladimir Klitschoko
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Jermain Taylor
9. Winky Wright
10. Juan Manuel Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
11. Shane Mosley
12. Joe Calzaghe ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
13. Mikkel Kessler ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

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my list would be something like this

by the way i dont want to take anything away from JC he is a great skilled fighter no doubt, but his acomplishments arnt enough

[sues2nd]

This statement is absolutely true.

Cant say I agree. To say that if he was american he would be top 2.....Pacman is not american and he is top 2??? Why, because he earned it.

Now we all know I love Calzaghe, but he has earned his position....bad and good.

[China_hand_Joe]

iight heres my list:

1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Ricky Hatton
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschoko
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Jermain Taylor
9. Winky Wright
10. Paul Williams
11. Juan Manuel Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
12. Shane Mosley
13. Joe Calzaghe ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
14. Mikkel Kessler ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

my list would be something like this

by the way i dont want to take anything away from JC he is a great skilled fighter no doubt, but his acomplishments arnt enoughSurely you can place Calzaghe above Paul Williams based on achievements?

[teetop]

iight heres my list:

1. Mayweather
2. Hopkins
3. Ricky Hatton
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Wladimir Klitschoko
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Jermain Taylor
9. Winky Wright
10. Paul Williams
11. Juan Manuel Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
12. Shane Mosley
13. Joe Calzaghe ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
14. Mikkel Kessler ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

my list would be something like this

by the way i dont want to take anything away from JC he is a great skilled fighter no doubt, but his acomplishments arnt enough

Well that's a stupid list. wlad klit is #5 p4p? Hatton and nard higher than pac?
Moron Alert. call the paddy wagon:-(

[brooklyn1550]

Because he's had so many title defenses and there is NO questioning his ability. A win over Kessler puts him in the top 5

[BigReg]

Cant say I agree. To say that if he was american he would be top 2.....Pacman is not american and he is top 2??? Why, because he earned it.

Now we all know I love Calzaghe, but he has earned his position....bad and good.

The Phillipines was an American colony until 1935. The country still has a strong American influence

[Kamil]

Well that's a stupid list. wlad klit is #5 p4p? Hatton and nard higher than pac?
Moron Alert. call the paddy wagon:-(

by the way genius, Pac has been very inactive for awhile now so i should stfu if i were you, and i honestly think wlad klit is very unrated, he by the far one the best fighters in the world rite now, i think he should be placed #5

[sues2nd]

The Phillipines was an American colony until 1935. The country still has a strong American influence

So your saying that this has an influence over the american boxing media???

:huh

That makes less sense than some of the things China has said.

[China_hand_Joe]

It is really anti-European as European fighters have European promoters.

If you are an asian being promoted by Americans you are fine. Mexicans get so much respect for the same reason. If American promoters are making money off you, they pull strings in the media to enchance your reputation.

If you are promoted by a Brit and are a threat to American protomers' fighters and earning, they will have your reputation supressed.

[Kamil]

Surely you can place Calzaghe above Paul Williams based on achievements?

i honestly think paul is kind of too high maybe should be below JC which is true, was just trying to full up the list couldnt think of much lol his win against Antonio Margarito sands up really big also Walter Dario Matthysse, but now i think of it, it was misplacement

[sues2nd]

by the way genius, Pac has been very inactive for awhile now so i should stfu if i were you, and i honestly think wlad klit is very unrated, he by the far one the best fighters in the world rite now, i think he should be placed #5

Very inactive???

Which Pac you talking about Bobby????

He has fought 5 times since 06.....inactive.....:lol: :lol: :lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

i honestly think paul is kind of too high maybe should be below JC which is true, was just trying to full up the list couldnt think of much lol his win against Antonio Margarito sands up really big also Walter Dario Matthysse, but now i think of it, it was misplacementSo you actually have Calzaghe in your top 10?

[Kamil]

Very inactive???

Which Pac you talking about Bobby????

He has fought 5 times since 06.....inactive.....:lol: :lol: :lol:

oooo yeah he fought jorge solis in 2007 not too long ago, forgot about that, i kept think his last fight was with morales, which was in 2006, manny pac should be #3 than and hatton #4

im bad up to date lately, i dont make p4p list ever... that was probbly my frist one i ever made.

[Kamil]

So you actually have Calzaghe in your top 10?

i would remove paul williams from the list basicly, and bump JC too 11 or 12 hes close to 10 lol hahaha

[jonesjrp4p1]

I sense China Joe to be here momentarily

haha thats funny:lol:

[UndisputedUK]

Calzaghe should be top 3 P4P because he is the longest current reigning world champion in any division. He has made 20+ WBO world title defences. The WBO history at 168 is pretty good. Hearns - Eubank-Collins-Calzaghe since 1988. It's the most stable title in boxing, held by less fighters over a certain time period. He's rated number 1 by the ring magazine. He put on one of the best performances of boxing ever, over a dangerous, highly touted and favourite IBF champion. He never gave up the WBO belt and faced his mandatory challengers when asked.

Why the others should not be P4P..............maybe

Mayweather, fights for WBC titles and the money, vacates against mandatories and hardly beat the best fighters in each of the 5 weight divisions he won a title in. However, five belts is five belts and he's undefeated at different weights. He deserves to be top, in my opinion.

Hopkins lost to Roy Jones and other people early in his career. He also lost to Taylor, he should not be ranked so highly.

WK is best in a crap 200+ division, has been starched a few times.

Cotto, two alphabet titles from no name opponents, undefeated but maybe 10 or 9 rated. Has not faced anywhere near the best at either 140 or 147.

Taylor has beat some people in the P4P who should not be there. He will be removed from the list by Pavliks' right hand quite soon.

Wright is a great boxer, but has lost so many times. Should have stayed at 154 or 160. Could win a title. He's better than Taylor.

I'm not commenting on the others.

:thumbsup

[Caper]

Because Joe Calzaghe is simply too good to be denied his status even with all the anti-european American boxing media propaganda about. He would be undisputibly top 2 were he American.

:patsch

[Caper]

Surely you can place Calzaghe above Paul Williams based on achievements?

Shit China....I'll back you up on that one. As a matter of fact I have Joe in the top ten simply because of his tenure as the champ. It has nothing to do with his level of oppostion as every other top ten fighter has probably fought better comp then Joe has. Beating Kess won't really move him to far up as Kess is also truly untested. This has nothing to do with Euro vs America....the truth lies within the records boys.

[Ramshall1]

Im not a big Cal fan but the dude deserves his top ten ranking.

[langshof]

Explain?
I say he's not.....never has been never will be. Kessler will put him in his place. (not a very phat place!) JC is lonely on the 4th of nov.

[Amsterdam]

People who bash Calzaghe's resume as nothing are just ignorant about his opponents. Granted, every boxing fan knows his resume is far from complete considering his skill and physical gifts, but his resume overall is actually pretty decent.

Let's take a look at a fight he normally gets credit for, TKO 2 over Byron Mitchell. Mitchell was a rightful top 10 opponent, coming off of a very controversial close fight with Ottke, had KOed a significant SMW in Frankie Liles, had KOed Manny Siaca when he was at his best, as well as took a close decision on Manny prior to that. Calzaghe blasted him in 2 rounds, much more definitive than Paul Williams' win over the overhyped Antonio Margarito, which was 115-113 and Margarito P4P is really no better than a Byron Mitchell.

Now let's take that comparison into consideration, let's say Cotto blasts Margarito in 2-3 rounds if Margarito beats another top 10, his P4P ranking is going to go up because most people consider Margarito a top 10 contender and a tough opponent. Likewise with Calzaghe's blowout of Mitchell, it was rather a good mark on his resume.

Now let's add a blowout of Sheika, a definitive wide win over Brewer(whom was robbed against Ottke twice, nearly KOed Echols), a stoppage win over Woodhall,, a competitive win over a peak Robin Reid, a definitive win over Starie and then of course the two big names in Lacy and Eubank, which one was a complete shutout and the other was immensely wide while he was green.

Add Kessler on that list and that's quite a nice resume, people need to not rank on reputation alone and start looking into the actual fighters themselves.

[yesihavearm]

He's beaten 7 former world champions, and has had 20+ title defences as well as enough natural talent to beat anybody 175lbs and down. Thats why he's top5 PvP.

[sues2nd]

People who bash Calzaghe's resume as nothing are just ignorant about his opponents. Granted, every boxing fan knows his resume is far from complete considering his skill and physical gifts, but his resume overall is actually pretty decent.

Let's take a look at a fight he normally gets credit for, TKO 2 over Byron Mitchell. Mitchell was a rightful top 10 opponent, coming off of a very controversial close fight with Ottke, had KOed a significant SMW in Frankie Liles, had KOed Manny Siaca when he was at his best, as well as took a close decision on Manny prior to that. Calzaghe blasted him in 2 rounds, much more definitive than Paul Williams' win over the overhyped Antonio Margarito, which was 115-113 and Margarito P4P is really no better than a Byron Mitchell.

Now let's take that comparison into consideration, let's say Cotto blasts Margarito in 2-3 rounds if Margarito beats another top 10, his P4P ranking is going to go up because most people consider Margarito a top 10 contender and a tough opponent. Likewise with Calzaghe's blowout of Mitchell, it was rather a good mark on his resume.

Now let's add a blowout of Sheika, a definitive wide win over Brewer(whom was robbed against Ottke twice, nearly KOed Echols), a stoppage win over Woodhall,, a competitive win over a peak Robin Reid, a definitive win over Starie and then of course the two big names in Lacy and Eubank, which one was a complete shutout and the other was immensely wide while he was green.

Add Kessler on that list and that's quite a nice resume, people need to not rank on reputation alone and start looking into the actual fighters themselves.

Amsterdam...Im callin bullshit on this one buddy. You KNOW I know my shit. AND I am telling you, every other person I have in my top ten has a better resume than Calzaghe....and again, YOU KNOW I love Joe. One of my fav current fighters, but facts are facts...

I have him ahead of all of these fighters for the fact of his sheer dominance over that competition.

My Top Ten.

1- Mayweather (JLC, ODLH, Chico, Chavez, Augustus, Gatti, etc, etc..)
2- Pacman (MAB, Morales x2, Larios, Sanchez, etc.)
3- Calzaghe (Eubank, Mitchell, Lacy, Reid, Veit, soon to be Kessler :yep , etc.)
4- Hopkins (Winky, Tarver, ODLH, Tito, Johnson, Joppy, Holmes, arguably Taylor, etc.)
5- Hatton (KT, JLC, Collazo, Maussa, etc.)
6- Winky (Mosely, Trinidad, Quartey, McKart, arguably Vargas, arguably Taylor, etc.)
7- Raph Marquez (Vazquez, Johnson, Ruiz, etc....I might lean to this being worse than Joe's, but Vazquez is far better than anyone on Calzaghe's....and Johnson is up there with just about all of them...)
8- JMM (MAB, Sanchez, arguably John, soon to be Juarez)
9- Taylor (Hopkins, Joppy, Spinks, Ouma, arguably Wright, etc.)
10- Vazquez (Larios, Hernandez, Raph Marquez, Gonzales, etc.)

Just outside...

Mosely (ODLH, Vargas, Collazo, Rivera, soon to be Cotto...LOL)
Cotto (the first on my list whose resume doesnt quite stack with Joe's unarguably, but he is still young and you add Mosely to it, with Judah, Quintana and Paulie Ball Z and it becomes closer...too bad Shane's gonna KNOCK HIM THE FUCK OUT!!!)

Joe has some wins vs some good comp...but if you stack it up against others (I also think you could make a case vs Hatton...but JLC, KT, Collazo, Urango and now Floyd...it would be hard), it doesnt quite STACK up. Tho I agree with you that most people sorely underrate who he has beaten....I still cant ignore the fact that he has the weakest resume in the p4p top10.

He is highly ranked on dominance and great skill level....not resume...plain and simple bro.

:good

[safe_pa]

and i honestly think wlad klit is very unrated, he by the far one the best fighters in the world rite now, i think he should be placed #5

So Joe hasn't achieved enough to be top ten and yet Wlad is top five as he is under-rated? :patsch