Best chin Ali or Tyson?

[fg2227]

What do you guy's think?

[stevebhoy87]

Ali clearly, tyson had a good chin but ali's was far better

[sugar71]

I saw Tyson take some nice shots & stay on his feet but not an excellent chin. Ali's chin along with his heart get the nod. I guess the Cooper fight is the only fight I ever saw Ali in lala land from a punch.

[Shake]

Tyson had a real good chin. Ali is top 3 all-time at the weight, I'd imagine. Quite a bit apart.

[Bokaj]

As for a taking a huge punch and staying on his feet I'd say Tyson. Ali had the superior recuperative powers, though. Tyson was stunned a couple of times but still won (Bruno, Tucker), but he never managed coming back after being in a really bad way. Ali did.

[la-califa]

Ali would "ride" with the punch, while Tyson would absorb the full impact. But even still Ali could take a far bigger shot than Tyson. Ali stood up to fearsome hitters, Foreman,Frazier,Lyle,Shavers, & never would have been kayoe'd by the likes of Buster Douglas.

[Rise Above]

Ali fought bigger punchers and survived more than Tyson did against lesser known punchers so its got to be Ali.

[Vanboxingfan]

Ali would "ride" with the punch, while Tyson would absorb the full impact. But even still Ali could take a far bigger shot than Tyson. Ali stood up to fearsome hitters, Foreman,Frazier,Lyle,Shavers, & never would have been kayoe'd by the likes of Buster Douglas.

Ali didn't "ride" against Foreman. He was taking those bodyshots full on. In fact I would venture to say no other fighter could have absorbed that body attack. (it's funny some actually have the adacity to argue whether or not Ali was hit in that fight), he was.

Having said that, anyone who could take Lewis's bombs for several rounds has my respect. They both have great chins with the edge going to Ali for his ability to take body punches.

[fg2227]

The Ali shavers fight is scary the shots he takes, rounds 2,13,14 and rd 15.

[Bokaj]

Ali didn't "ride" against Foreman. He was taking those bodyshots full on. In fact I would venture to say no other fighter could have absorbed that body attack. (it's funny some actually have the adacity to argue whether or not Ali was hit in that fight), he was.

I would venture that the ropes absorbed some of the impact from those punches. Foreman landed some terrifying shots to Ali's body, but Ali was prepared for them and had time setting himself. I think that, together with his great punch resistance, is how he could survive them. Foreman did probably ruin his kidneys, though.

Miske claimed that a well trained fighter could take just about any punch to the body if he saw it coming and had time to set himself. Ali surviving the Foreman onslaught seems to vindicate this.

[jaffay]

Ali by a mile

[Bad_Intentions]

Ali.

[Joe E]

Ali without a doubt.

[Vanboxingfan]

I would venture that the ropes absorbed some of the impact from those punches. Foreman landed some terrifying shots to Ali's body, but Ali was prepared for them and had time setting himself. I think that, together with his great punch resistance, is how he could survive them. Foreman did probably ruin his kidneys, though.

Miske claimed that a well trained fighter could take just about any punch to the body if he saw it coming and had time to set himself. Ali surviving the Foreman onslaught seems to vindicate this.

Well I've also seen fighters go down on bodyshots like they were shot. ODL immediately comes to mind. And I for one wouldn't want to be the one absorbing Foreman's best shots to the body, ropes or not.

[la-califa]

Ali didn't "ride" against Foreman. He was taking those bodyshots full on. In fact I would venture to say no other fighter could have absorbed that body attack. (it's funny some actually have the adacity to argue whether or not Ali was hit in that fight), he was.

Having said that, anyone who could take Lewis's bombs for several rounds has my respect. They both have great chins with the edge going to Ali for his ability to take body punches. I was refering to head shots not body shots. Anyhow Ali absorbed much of the impact with tha aid of the ring ropes & having his forearms in front for protection. Hence the nickname for that tactic "The Rope A Dope". Ali let Foreman bang away & tire himself out. That was Ali's strategy all along. & it worked flawlessly.

[anon1]

Ali's spirit & chin combo >> Tyson's spirit & chin combo

Tyson's chin ? Ali's Chin

Tyson has never been knocked down by a single punch (save for a balance KD). Ali has on several occasions.

As for Tyson's never taking a punch as hard as Ali - c'mon - Lewis was a monster puncher.

[cuchulain]

Ali by a mile

I wouldn't say by a mile, but I would say Ali had the better chin.

[Bokaj]

Well I've also seen fighters go down on bodyshots like they were shot. ODL immediately comes to mind.

But that was a classic example of a punch that caught him by surprise, and in the liver no less, if i remember correctly. Except for the kidneys, Ali did a good job of protecting his most vital areas.


And I for one wouldn't want to be the one absorbing Foreman's best shots to the body, ropes or not.

Makes at least two of us.

[Robbi]

Ali

[asero]

tyson is more risky but his chin is rock solid in his prime

[Robbi]

tyson is more risky but his chin is rock solid in his prime

:nut

[GPater11093]

Ali would "ride" with the punch, while Tyson would absorb the full impact. But even still Ali could take a far bigger shot than Tyson. Ali stood up to fearsome hitters, Foreman,Frazier,Lyle,Shavers, & never would have been kayoe'd by the likes of Buster Douglas.


to be fair tyson had took a beating the whole fight and di amazing surviving that long considering the punches he took

[Muchmoore]

Ali had better recuperative powers but in terms of absorbing punches, Tyson had few that were his equal.

He was NEVER dropped by a single punch, that's pretty amazing combined with the beatings he took from Buster, Lewis, Holyfield before finally falling.

[Bokaj]

Ali had better recuperative powers but in terms of absorbing punches, Tyson had few that were his equal.

He was NEVER dropped by a single punch, that's pretty amazing combined with the beatings he took from Buster, Lewis, Holyfield before finally falling.

That's more or less how I see it as well.

[Senya13]

Tyson had better chin, very clearly. I certainly don't see him getting dropped by single shots like Alan Hudson's, Sonny Banks' or Henry Cooper's. Or getting knocked out by retired Jimmy Ellis in sparring (with bigger sparring gloves).

[rodney]

Both had great chins.
But Tyson had trouble going the distance.
Basically Tyson was a 6 round fighter.
Watch Ali-Forman.

I think the answer is obvious.

[arther1045]

Ali's spirit & chin combo >> Tyson's spirit & chin combo

Tyson's chin ? Ali's Chin

Tyson has never been knocked down by a single punch (save for a balance KD). Ali has on several occasions.

As for Tyson's never taking a punch as hard as Ali - c'mon - Lewis was a monster puncher.


You really have to twists things to try and make a case for Tyson. What do you mean Ali was knocked down by one punch on many occasions?

To make this case you have to say things like Tyson was never koed by one punch..Whatever that means.. he was kocked out everytime he took punishment..That is what a chin is all about..Finishing a fight when taking numerous punches..

Lets see Ali was never counted out and Tyson was basically everytime someone fought back..

Its very clear who the winner of this debate is..Ali.

[cpnasty]

Ali

[round15]

Hard to say. Tyson took some big shots from Tubbs, Ruddock, Lewis, Bruno and Bonecrusher Smith. Tyson never went down from one punch in his career, except for the shot that Holyfield landed to Tyson's chest that more surprised him off balance than hurting him.

As much as people talk about Ali absorbing punishment from Foreman, Big George never landed the same clean shot on Ali that he did against Frazier or Norton. Anyone who watched that fight in 1974 knows that. George landed a couple of decent shots to Ali's head, but not like he did against Frazier and Norton. A large number of the body shots Foreman threw in the Rumble, landed on Ali's arms and elbows.

Chin vs Chin, I'd have to give it to Tyson not by much. Toughness vs Toughness, I'd give it to Ali.

[Steviewonder]

Tyson had better chin, very clearly. I certainly don't see him getting dropped by single shots like Alan Hudson's, Sonny Banks' or Henry Cooper's. Or getting knocked out by retired Jimmy Ellis in sparring (with bigger sparring gloves).

Ali got KO'd in sparring by Jimmy Ellis? I didn't know that, but find it hard to believe. Was this when Ali had been out of action for a long time, and training for a comeback?

[anon1]

I wouldn't take sparring incidents too seriously. In that regard, Tyson was knocked down by Greg Page.

[anon1]

You really have to twists things to try and make a case for Tyson. What do you mean Ali was knocked down by one punch on many occasions?

To make this case you have to say things like Tyson was never koed by one punch..Whatever that means.. he was kocked out everytime he took punishment..That is what a chin is all about..Finishing a fight when taking numerous punches..

Lets see Ali was never counted out and Tyson was basically everytime someone fought back..

Its very clear who the winner of this debate is..Ali.

Well one thing for sure - if you choose Ali it's hard to argue against. He had a great chin.

Finishing a fight? C'mon, you know that there are factors other than just chin that determines this. Styles is one of them. Lewis finished on his feet against Holyfield but Tyson couldn't do the same. Does Lewis have a better chin? No. Lewis' style and boxing skills prevented him from taking much punishment from Holyfield. Tyson on the other hand was battered with 5 straight right hands in the 10th round.

Ali's style was that if he took a big punch, he'd tie up the other fighter and clinch. Very smart! Tyson would get outboxed badly by Douglas & Holy and therefore take lots of punishment in short spurts for extended periods of time. So Tyson's chin wasn't as protected as Ali's due to styles.

Other factor is that Ali had the heart of a lion. The man would never give up. This is what I mean by spirit. It's almost like he overcame his physical vulnerabilities with that willpower of his. How else can you explain him getting up from that Cooper shot when he's out cold and Angelo Dundee has to buy time because smelling salts aren't working fast enough?

If you don't agree with me I don't blame you. You have a good choice with Ali. He really is a special case because he is so good at surviving from all angles.

[Senya13]

It happened prior to Ali's fight with Shavers, Ali was knocked down twice by Jimmy Ellis, his trainer stopping the sparring. Ali didn't remember being down immediately after.

[groove]

if that is true then ali shoulda known it was time to hang up the gloves. after a knockdown, ali was always straight up, tyson liked to stay down.

[MrSmall]

I'm leaning towards Tyson but overall punishment Ali could take it.