Advice on gaining mass

[xTroy]

So I'm about to start lifting to gain some size to box, but just need some quick advice, etc.

I'm about 6ft., weigh 143lbs, and am 17, but I'm just starting to lift so I'm kind of skinny for my size. I bought some creatine, a mass gaining supplement (Mass XXX from GNC), and my brother gave me his protein powder and glutamine powder.

What I was planning was starting off with the creatine and mass gaining supplement, but since I'm just starting to work out, I'm questioning if the supplement will actually work as of now. It's in one of those big tubs, but only has 14 servings (thats how intense it is). I just need maybe a list of when I should start taking what, thank you.

[viru§™]

Why not just eat food like a normal person?

[MagnificentMatt]

What do you mean "gain size" to box...?

Id box first and see how you feel at a natural weight homie.

[BlackWater]

Follow this simple regimen and you will get stronger and bigger. Guaranteed.

1. Eat
2. Eat
3. Eat
4. Lift
5. Eat
6. Sleep

Repeat

[Koa]

So I'm about to start lifting to gain some size to box, but just need some quick advice, etc.

I'm about 6ft., weigh 143lbs, and am 17, but I'm just starting to lift so I'm kind of skinny for my size. I bought some creatine, a mass gaining supplement (Mass XXX from GNC), and my brother gave me his protein powder and glutamine powder.

What I was planning was starting off with the creatine and mass gaining supplement, but since I'm just starting to work out, I'm questioning if the supplement will actually work as of now. It's in one of those big tubs, but only has 14 servings (thats how intense it is). I just need maybe a list of when I should start taking what, thank you.

Careful what you spend your money on.. A lot of times, you are buying a simple carb.. Mass xxxxxxxx. Is going to have something like 40+ grams of protein and 400+ calories worth of some cheap carb/sugar, likely Dextrose or something similar.

You really want dextrose, then just buy it, or go to a brewery and buy brewing sugar, add it to a pure protein shake and save a bunch of money.

Otherwise, its good to eat meats, veggies.. cheap carbs are good immediately after a workout with a whey shake.. But the bulk of your calories should be whole, nutritious foods.

Meats - Steak/chicken/fish/egg whites/whole eggs
Veggies-spinache/arugala/red lettuce, squash, tomatoes, carrots, beets.
Fruit- Bananas, blueberries, kiwi, papaya, pomegranite, acai
Dairy- Milk, cottage cheese, yogurt, favored cheese (not too much).
Carbs- Quinoa, yams, beans, brown rice
Fats-flax oil, fish oil

Then you can supplement other things, like multivitamins, glutamine powder, Leucine powder, creatine, protein powders (whey, egg, casein, fuck soy), Spirulina..

Measure your intake, space it out through the day, get the correct proportion of protein to carbs to fats.

[Koa]

Dude, your an ectomorph, and young.. You are going to need to eat a lot.. Eat pretty much whatever healthy foods you want, and eat as much as you like, and then some more.

[p.Townend]

Eat plenty of protien and train heavy weights for low reps per set(between 5/7 reps).The guy further up the page probably has the best idea though.Box first then see if you still feel you need to add size.

[TheRock49]

Boxings not about looking good and having mass. Mass just makes you heavier. Im 6'1 and am gonna weigh in at 152-155 at a fight this March. I can bench max 265, and squat max 335, and that was like half a year ago. Lift for strength, not mass, so higher reps, like 10-15 each set. I take only two supplements, a multivitamin once a day (GNC Sport for men), and a protein shake once a day (Isopure Perfect), normally with breakfast. Its about 200 something calories, 0 fat and 0 sugar, yet really high in vitamins and minerals and 50g of protein. Only negatives are that it tastes like a shoe (with water), and cost 45 dollars a tub. Your buying XXX mass shit though which isnt cheap either. Dont do creatine either, thats just putting water in your muscles and adding water weight. You want lean muscle weight. Eat peanut butter and drink milk...

[viru§™]

Dude, your an ectomorph


How can you possibly know this without knowing what the guy eats daily?

[Marvelous Marcum]

How can you possibly know this without knowing what the guy eats daily?

Everyone knows everything on the interwebz... duh. :nono

[viru§™]

Lift for strength, not mass, so higher reps, like 10-15 each set.

Huh? :huh

[viru§™]

Everyone knows everything on the interwebz... duh. :nono

Clearly.

[TheRock49]

Huh? :huh

If you're lifting for mass, lift smaller reps, like 3-5. For strength, lift higher reps, 10-15.

[viru§™]

If you're lifting for mass, lift smaller reps, like 3-5. For strength, lift higher reps, 10-15.

Complete BS. Lifting progressively heavier weights makes you stronger. Eating more along with lifting progressively heavier weights makes you stronger as well as gain mass. By heavy I mean at least 80% of your 1 rep max.

[cool-cat]

eat about an extra 400 calories on your food intake make sure your diet is about 30% protein 60% carbs and 10% fat

[TheRock49]

Complete BS. Lifting progressively heavier weights makes you stronger. Eating more along with lifting progressively heavier weights makes you stronger as well as gain mass. By heavy I mean at least 80% of your 1 rep max.

Yea... and when you're lifting 80 percent of your max or higher how many reps can you do? Say 3-5 maybe!?!? If you want mass, lift like that. If you want just strength, lift lighter, more reps. As far as eating more yea, eat more. Make sure its healthy stuff though, not Hersheys and Twinkies. Otherwise your just gonna gain fat mass, not muscle mass.

[viru§™]

Yea... and when you're lifting 80 percent of your max or higher how many reps can you do? Say 3-5 maybe!?!? If you want mass, lift like that. If you want just strength, lift lighter, more reps.

:patsch

[TheRock49]

dont :patsch me...

[viru§™]

dont :patsch me...

Maybe if you stop giving incorrect advice I would :good

[Lostmykeys]

Yea... and when you're lifting 80 percent of your max or higher how many reps can you do? Say 3-5 maybe!?!? If you want mass, lift like that. If you want just strength, lift lighter, more reps. As far as eating more yea, eat more. Make sure its healthy stuff though, not Hersheys and Twinkies. Otherwise your just gonna gain fat mass, not muscle mass.

I lol'd.

[MrSmall]

Yeah there's a tremendous amount of bs in this trhead.

[TheRock49]

Maybe if you stop giving incorrect advice I would :good

Be mad at the nutrition and fitness text books not me.

[Cluke18]

Strength training typically produces a combination of the two different types of hypertrophy: contraction against 80 to 90% of the one repetition maximum for two to eight repetitions (reps) causes myofibrillated hypertrophy to dominate (as in powerlifters, olympic lifters and strength athletes), while several repetitions (generally 12 or more) against a sub-maximal load facilitates mainly sarcoplasmic hypertrophy (professional bodybuilders and endurance athletes).

2-8 Reps of 70-90% of your max will create strength/explosiveness as long as you're training correctly.

Reps over 8 will allow for muscle growth and size typically with the proper training regimen.

Compound lifts (bench, squat, deadlift, rows, cleans) are much more suitable to the sport of boxing where movements are explosive and in short bursts. Going into the gym and doing biceps and triceps won't make you a faster or stronger fighter. You may just get a couple more looks at the beach.

[Koa]

How can you possibly know this without knowing what the guy eats daily?

Dude is 6' and under 150 lbs. Unless he is in Auschwitz, or the Sudan, he's an ectomorph.

[TheRock49]

Dude is 6' and under 150 lbs. Unless he is in Auschwitz, or the Sudan, he's an ectomorph.

Do you mean endomorph? Whats a ectomorph?

[MrSmall]

Dude is 6' and under 150 lbs. Unless he is in Auschwitz, or the Sudan, he's an ectomorph.

Just, no.
JUST NO.

[viru§™]

Dude is 6' and under 150 lbs. Unless he is in Auschwitz, or the Sudan, he's an ectomorph.

And what? Again, you don't know how much he eats, obviously its very little.

[Cluke18]

Ectomorph - the naturally skinny body type of the three different body types. Unlike the mesomorph and the endomorph, the ectomorph is the person that has probably been very skinny their entire life. It's not because of a great diet or workout, it's because they are born with a super fast metabolism. This gives them the "ability" to eat pretty much whatever they want, pretty much whenever they want, and pretty much never get fat and never gain weight.

Endomorph - the naturally fat body type. If the three different body types were in some kind of diet and workout High School together, the endomorph would be voted "Most Likely To Kill An Ectomorph." These are the people who could eat half as much as what an ectomorph or mesomorph eats and still gain weight. The endomorph is naturally "big boned" and has what some people might describe as a body that is roundly shaped.
The endomorph has the slowest metabolism of the three different body types and can therefore gain weight the quickest and easiest. This is great for gaining muscle and strength, but terrible for losing and keeping off fat. It's basically the complete opposite of the ectomorph.

Mesomorph - the luckiest body type of the three different body types. The prototypical athlete, fitness model and bodybuilder. Where the ectomorph and the endomorph both have a positive and negative side, the mesomorph has pretty much the best of both worlds. They gain muscle almost as well as an endomorph, yet can lose fat almost as well as an ectomorph.

[Cluke18]

Be mad at the nutrition and fitness text books not me.


You must be reading strength and conditioning written BY dummies not FOR dummies. You're advice is completely wrong and I'd advise you to do some better research before posting inaccurate information.

[TheRock49]

My mistake Cluke. I had endo and ecto backwards, I just looked it up though. You're right, Im wrong, go Callazo.

[Cluke18]

Life is about learning and making mistakes just correct them and move on.

[boxingtactics07]

lower reps = strength, higher reps with calorie surplus = mass. you can easily train for both doing 8X3 or 5X5 @ 80%1RM. 3X3-5 for pure strength. The 8X3 or 5X5 rep scheme for hypertrophy and strength. Stay away from bodybuildings 3X8-12 rep scheme for boxing. stick to compounds: bench, rows, squats, deadlifts, pullups, and military press. weighted dips can sub for military press and/or weighted chinups can sub for pullups if you prefer them. The pullups and military press are more beneficial imo though. don't complicate these things, just perform 3 for workout a (one push, one pull, one lower body) and 3 for workout b (one push, one pull, one lower body). rotate them every other day. IE: mon: A, wed: B, fri: A, repeat next week with B, A, B. All of the above can be done with barbells or dumbbells and a pullup bar (maybe dip too). Eat Healthy. Start with 2500-3000 calories and begin to increase if needed. I would get flaxseed oil, mulitivitamin, and whey protein. The rest comes from doing the work properly and consistently. My 2 Cents.

[Marvelous Marcum]

Do you mean endomorph? Whats a ectomorph?

Stop posting. Immediately.

[TheRock49]

Stop posting. Immediately.

Fuck you faggit.

[Marvelous Marcum]

Fuck you faggit.

lmfao You know shit all about training. Stop giving advice.

[RDJ]

So I'm about to start lifting to gain some size to box

I think that's ill advised, but if you are hell bent on doing it, try food instead of supplements. If you do use a supplement, make it peanut butter. Dirt fuck off cheap and shit full of calories.

[cockneyhardman]

Yea... and when you're lifting 80 percent of your max or higher how many reps can you do? Say 3-5 maybe!?!? If you want mass, lift like that. If you want just strength, lift lighter, more reps. As far as eating more yea, eat more. Make sure its healthy stuff though, not Hersheys and Twinkies. Otherwise your just gonna gain fat mass, not muscle mass.


light weights high reps is for endurance (15+) and does not build much strength at all
when you do 3 reps(90% 1rm+) or less strength increases a lot but no mass increase
5 reps (80-85% 1 rm) increases strength a lot too and also a BIT of mass
an even balance of strength and size would be about 7 reps
about 9 reps is most effective for pure size
this is based on average length reps (explosive concentric - 3 seconds eccentric)

it's not just the weight that determines growth but the time under tension

[scurlaruntings]

I think that's ill advised, but if you are hell bent on doing it, try food instead of supplements. If you do use a supplement, make it peanut butter. Dirt fuck off cheap and shit full of calories.And high in saturated fat.. Anyway the kids young. His a hard gainer with a high metabolism so he can afford to.

RDJ you need to start cleaning up shop on this forum. Its choc full with shit and stupid posts from stupid posters who dont know fuck all about training let alone lifted a weight in there life.

[RDJ]

And high in saturated fat.. Anyway the kids young. His a hard gainer with a high metabolism so he can afford to.

Even salmon has a large amount of saturated fats, but it provides a good deal of nutrients. We disagree on the use of saturated fats, but we've been there before so I'll leave it at that for now. Perhaps in a different thread, some other time ;)

RDJ you need to start cleaning up shop on this forum. Its choc full with shit and stupid posts from stupid posters who dont know fuck all about training let alone lifted a weight in there life.

Anyone in particular besides $.02? Because if they just give bad advice I'm not planning on doing anything against that, other posters will weed them out in time. They'll get a bad name and no one will listen to them anymore. Survival of the fittest if you wish.

[scurlaruntings]

Anyone in particular besides $.02? Because if they just give bad advice I'm not planning on doing anything against that, other posters will weed them out in time. They'll get a bad name and no one will listen to them anymore. Survival of the fittest if you wish.True :thumbsup Crash and Burn..

[xTroy]

Haha, damn I'm not malnourished I'm just kind of skinny. But I do plan on lifting regardless simply because size and muscle will do nothing but help me. Also in my current condition (see other thread), I can't really box at the moment anyways so this is what I can do in the mean time.